? about immunizations
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Can't remember if I brought this to the list yet, or not, but, I am going to
have our third baby in about five weeks and am considering my options on
immunizations. I have been hearing a lot of mixed information on them and am
beginning to think that all of the shots are not necessary for my children.
So, my question to you all is how many of you have made the decision to
withhold certain shots and how has it affected your children? I know that
they cannot enter public school or daycare (which is obviously not a problem)
but I have also heard that colleges will refuse entrance as well as certain
jobs (probably mostly govt., I am guessing). I want to make an informed
decision and would really appreciate any of your responses.
April
have our third baby in about five weeks and am considering my options on
immunizations. I have been hearing a lot of mixed information on them and am
beginning to think that all of the shots are not necessary for my children.
So, my question to you all is how many of you have made the decision to
withhold certain shots and how has it affected your children? I know that
they cannot enter public school or daycare (which is obviously not a problem)
but I have also heard that colleges will refuse entrance as well as certain
jobs (probably mostly govt., I am guessing). I want to make an informed
decision and would really appreciate any of your responses.
April
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/1/01 16:14:12 Uhr, fmrduranie@... writes:
<< I know that
they cannot enter public school or daycare >>
They can enter school and daycare. Usually you just sign a waiver. My
oldest three are partially vaccinated and my youngest three aren't at all.
They are all very healthy but I don't do antibiotics and they all weaned from
the breast in their own time too. I would read everything you can find on
vaxing and not-vaxing(pro and con) to help you decide. Kimme
<< I know that
they cannot enter public school or daycare >>
They can enter school and daycare. Usually you just sign a waiver. My
oldest three are partially vaccinated and my youngest three aren't at all.
They are all very healthy but I don't do antibiotics and they all weaned from
the breast in their own time too. I would read everything you can find on
vaxing and not-vaxing(pro and con) to help you decide. Kimme
Bobbie
well, you had to get me started, didn't you? :)
my ds (6 in may) had the first shots when he was born
and then the first two installments of the hep b shots
before I decided - purely out of instinct- that they
weren't good for him. When I was pregnant with dd (3)
I read up on it alot cuz I was trying to the most
natural route with her birth and everything
thereafter, and found out alot of things that led me
to believe that yes, they do accomplish some good in
some kids and in some countries, but in my kids, who
aren't exposed to all the germs in school or daycare,
etc, in a fairly (bite my tongue) clean country, etc,
they would do more harm than good. dd hasn't had any
shots ever in her life and is perfectly fine, other
than being a bit tempestuous at times. :) A good book
that talks about it a bit is "Raising a Healthy Child
- In Spite of Your Doctor" by....hm... ?John?
Mendelsohn? I think.
Also if you go to Mothering.com they have alot of
resources and articles about it, from both viewpoints,
in what seems to be a very unbiased way.
And depending on what state you live in, most of them,
as far as I know just leave out the part of the law
that says "...without certificate of exemption."
as in you cannot enter school, etc, without signing a
paper that says you as thier parent choose for them to
be exempt and the one I had to sign (to go in thier
medical records) had a place to check off if it was
for medical reasons, religious beliefs or personal
beliefs. How easy is that? I "personally believe" it
isn't neccesary. A friend of mine gave none of her
three kids the shots and they went to school, but it
was just required that when there was an outbreak of
anything at school, that they took thier work home for
the week, til it passed. Was very easy for her.
Though I did have to fight with this one doctor who
was there cuz the kids regular doctor was out the day
of dd checkup...he ranted and raved (and I do mean
RANTED and RAVED and was very MAD) about how I was too
young to know what I was talking about (I was 21 at
the time, and he was in his late 40's/early 50's) and
I was harming my child and on and on and on and if I
had seen first hand a child die from complications of
measles (both kids have since had measles and got thru
it like it was a cold) and from polio etc, etc then I
would realize what a mistake I was making. It's
definitely a tough decision --(becuz there is alot of
fear put in you about the well-being of your child,
and even about them DYING, and at times I was very
tempted to just do it "just to be safe", but otoh I
don't feel it IS safe) --and one that you may get a
lot of grief from others about, but if you have a good
support system and you're already used to getting
grief from people for unschooling and such then it's
alot easier. :)
-Bobbie
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my ds (6 in may) had the first shots when he was born
and then the first two installments of the hep b shots
before I decided - purely out of instinct- that they
weren't good for him. When I was pregnant with dd (3)
I read up on it alot cuz I was trying to the most
natural route with her birth and everything
thereafter, and found out alot of things that led me
to believe that yes, they do accomplish some good in
some kids and in some countries, but in my kids, who
aren't exposed to all the germs in school or daycare,
etc, in a fairly (bite my tongue) clean country, etc,
they would do more harm than good. dd hasn't had any
shots ever in her life and is perfectly fine, other
than being a bit tempestuous at times. :) A good book
that talks about it a bit is "Raising a Healthy Child
- In Spite of Your Doctor" by....hm... ?John?
Mendelsohn? I think.
Also if you go to Mothering.com they have alot of
resources and articles about it, from both viewpoints,
in what seems to be a very unbiased way.
And depending on what state you live in, most of them,
as far as I know just leave out the part of the law
that says "...without certificate of exemption."
as in you cannot enter school, etc, without signing a
paper that says you as thier parent choose for them to
be exempt and the one I had to sign (to go in thier
medical records) had a place to check off if it was
for medical reasons, religious beliefs or personal
beliefs. How easy is that? I "personally believe" it
isn't neccesary. A friend of mine gave none of her
three kids the shots and they went to school, but it
was just required that when there was an outbreak of
anything at school, that they took thier work home for
the week, til it passed. Was very easy for her.
Though I did have to fight with this one doctor who
was there cuz the kids regular doctor was out the day
of dd checkup...he ranted and raved (and I do mean
RANTED and RAVED and was very MAD) about how I was too
young to know what I was talking about (I was 21 at
the time, and he was in his late 40's/early 50's) and
I was harming my child and on and on and on and if I
had seen first hand a child die from complications of
measles (both kids have since had measles and got thru
it like it was a cold) and from polio etc, etc then I
would realize what a mistake I was making. It's
definitely a tough decision --(becuz there is alot of
fear put in you about the well-being of your child,
and even about them DYING, and at times I was very
tempted to just do it "just to be safe", but otoh I
don't feel it IS safe) --and one that you may get a
lot of grief from others about, but if you have a good
support system and you're already used to getting
grief from people for unschooling and such then it's
alot easier. :)
-Bobbie
--- fmrduranie@... wrote:
> Can't remember if I brought this to the list yet, or__________________________________________________
> not, but, I am going to
> have our third baby in about five weeks and am
> considering my options on
> immunizations. I have been hearing a lot of mixed
> information on them and am
> beginning to think that all of the shots are not
> necessary for my children.
> So, my question to you all is how many of you have
> made the decision to
> withhold certain shots and how has it affected your
> children? I know that
> they cannot enter public school or daycare (which is
> obviously not a problem)
> but I have also heard that colleges will refuse
> entrance as well as certain
> jobs (probably mostly govt., I am guessing). I want
> to make an informed
> decision and would really appreciate any of your
> responses.
> April
>
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In a message dated 2/1/01 2:13:54 PM, fmrduranie@... writes:
<< I know that
they cannot enter public school or daycare (which is obviously not a problem)
but I have also heard that colleges will refuse entrance as well as certain
jobs (probably mostly govt., I am guessing). >>
I think the army just gives you whatever shots they want to, whenver they
want to.
Other armed services probably too, here and other nations as well.
But whatever is the absolute policy in 2001 will not necessarily be the
policy in fifteen or eighteen years when babies born now are grown. There
will be *SO* many uncircumcised, homeschooled, unvaccinated young adults then
that the policies will HAVE to change to accommodate them.
Sandra
<< I know that
they cannot enter public school or daycare (which is obviously not a problem)
but I have also heard that colleges will refuse entrance as well as certain
jobs (probably mostly govt., I am guessing). >>
I think the army just gives you whatever shots they want to, whenver they
want to.
Other armed services probably too, here and other nations as well.
But whatever is the absolute policy in 2001 will not necessarily be the
policy in fifteen or eighteen years when babies born now are grown. There
will be *SO* many uncircumcised, homeschooled, unvaccinated young adults then
that the policies will HAVE to change to accommodate them.
Sandra
Lynda
If you are having your baby in a hospital, be sure and read the fine print.
All hospitals are now giving babies Hep B vaccines without getting informed
consent. This vaccine can be deadly! AND, even CDC agrees it is not
necessary for an infant!
As to other vaccines, there are a million pros and cons but the bottomline
is that all research has shown that vaccines are extremely hard and
frequently adverse for infants. Infants that are nursing are in most cases
"immunized" by the breast milk.
IMHO, less is more and waiting until a child is at least 5 before giving any
shots (if you decide to give shots) is to error on the side of caution and
safety!
As to schools, daycares, jobs, etc. all have waivers you can sign. That is,
except the military if you are shipping out somewhere and with the current
court case going on, that may change also.
Lynda
All hospitals are now giving babies Hep B vaccines without getting informed
consent. This vaccine can be deadly! AND, even CDC agrees it is not
necessary for an infant!
As to other vaccines, there are a million pros and cons but the bottomline
is that all research has shown that vaccines are extremely hard and
frequently adverse for infants. Infants that are nursing are in most cases
"immunized" by the breast milk.
IMHO, less is more and waiting until a child is at least 5 before giving any
shots (if you decide to give shots) is to error on the side of caution and
safety!
As to schools, daycares, jobs, etc. all have waivers you can sign. That is,
except the military if you are shipping out somewhere and with the current
court case going on, that may change also.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <fmrduranie@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:00 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] ? about immunizations
> Can't remember if I brought this to the list yet, or not, but, I am going
to
> have our third baby in about five weeks and am considering my options on
> immunizations. I have been hearing a lot of mixed information on them and
am
> beginning to think that all of the shots are not necessary for my
children.
> So, my question to you all is how many of you have made the decision to
> withhold certain shots and how has it affected your children? I know that
> they cannot enter public school or daycare (which is obviously not a
problem)
> but I have also heard that colleges will refuse entrance as well as
certain
> jobs (probably mostly govt., I am guessing). I want to make an informed
> decision and would really appreciate any of your responses.
> April
>
>
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In a message dated 2/1/01 2:19:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< But whatever is the absolute policy in 2001 will not necessarily be the
policy in fifteen or eighteen years when babies born now are grown. There
will be *SO* many uncircumcised, homeschooled, unvaccinated young adults
then
that the policies will HAVE to change to accommodate them. >>
I love this vision:>)
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< But whatever is the absolute policy in 2001 will not necessarily be the
policy in fifteen or eighteen years when babies born now are grown. There
will be *SO* many uncircumcised, homeschooled, unvaccinated young adults
then
that the policies will HAVE to change to accommodate them. >>
I love this vision:>)
Cory and Amy Nelson
My dd (19 months) has received all vaccinations basically on time except for
the MMR, varicella and Prevnar. Not sure about the MMR, but we're definitely
not going with the varicella or Prevnar. That said, things will definitely
be different with our next child. I can't say that we'll go the way of no
vaccinations, but I do know we will be much more selective and delay until
at least 2. You'll find some great info at http://www.access1.net/Via/ on
both sides of the issue.
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated" -Indigo Girls
the MMR, varicella and Prevnar. Not sure about the MMR, but we're definitely
not going with the varicella or Prevnar. That said, things will definitely
be different with our next child. I can't say that we'll go the way of no
vaccinations, but I do know we will be much more selective and delay until
at least 2. You'll find some great info at http://www.access1.net/Via/ on
both sides of the issue.
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated" -Indigo Girls
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In a message dated 2/1/01 17:19:28 Uhr, SandraDodd@... writes:
<< But whatever is the absolute policy in 2001 will not necessarily be the
policy in fifteen or eighteen years when babies born now are grown. There
will be *SO* many uncircumcised, homeschooled, unvaccinated young adults then
that the policies will HAVE to change to accommodate them.
will still not compromise my children for someone else's policies. Kimme
<< But whatever is the absolute policy in 2001 will not necessarily be the
policy in fifteen or eighteen years when babies born now are grown. There
will be *SO* many uncircumcised, homeschooled, unvaccinated young adults then
that the policies will HAVE to change to accommodate them.
>>This is a really good point. We have no idea what policies will be, but I
will still not compromise my children for someone else's policies. Kimme
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/1/01 17:38:31 Uhr, lurine@... writes:
<< IMHO, less is more and waiting until a child is at least 5 before giving
any
shots (if you decide to give shots) is to error on the side of caution and
safety! >>
A five year old is also given the same dose as a three pound infant. I think
if you do choose to vaccinate that waiting is a prudent choice. Kimme
<< IMHO, less is more and waiting until a child is at least 5 before giving
any
shots (if you decide to give shots) is to error on the side of caution and
safety! >>
A five year old is also given the same dose as a three pound infant. I think
if you do choose to vaccinate that waiting is a prudent choice. Kimme
[email protected]
Well, I don't know if you are looking for opinions to immunize but...
I immunized all of my children (3). It turned out to be very fortuitous when
a child contracted HepB and it was believed to have been from a local malls
bathroom that I have frequented several times with my children.
None of my children have ever had a problem, not even a fever after any of
the shots. It is my understanding that more children react to formula/cows
milk than ever do to immunizations. I have a cousin who decided not to
immunize and is now in the process of immuzizing her 3 1/2 year old daughter
to catch up and is immunizing her newborn (4 weeks) after a child in her
playgroup came down with measles and the mother lost her unborn child to
miscarriage believed to be related to it.
I do not want any letters attacking me or immunizations. I fully support the
decision NOT to immunize. It is your child your family and in my mind the
risks appear to be somewhat equal on both sides of the coin.
Thank you - just my 2 cents - hope it helps, Dawn
I immunized all of my children (3). It turned out to be very fortuitous when
a child contracted HepB and it was believed to have been from a local malls
bathroom that I have frequented several times with my children.
None of my children have ever had a problem, not even a fever after any of
the shots. It is my understanding that more children react to formula/cows
milk than ever do to immunizations. I have a cousin who decided not to
immunize and is now in the process of immuzizing her 3 1/2 year old daughter
to catch up and is immunizing her newborn (4 weeks) after a child in her
playgroup came down with measles and the mother lost her unborn child to
miscarriage believed to be related to it.
I do not want any letters attacking me or immunizations. I fully support the
decision NOT to immunize. It is your child your family and in my mind the
risks appear to be somewhat equal on both sides of the coin.
Thank you - just my 2 cents - hope it helps, Dawn
Kerry Kibort
"I do not want any letters attacking me or
immunizations. I fully support the
decision NOT to immunize. It is your child your
family and in my mind the
risks appear to be somewhat equal on both sides of the
coin. "
Is this the new climate of this list? That we have to
ask to not be condemmed for our beliefs every time we
speak our mind?
Kerry
immunizations. I fully support the
decision NOT to immunize. It is your child your
family and in my mind the
risks appear to be somewhat equal on both sides of the
coin. "
Is this the new climate of this list? That we have to
ask to not be condemmed for our beliefs every time we
speak our mind?
Kerry
dawn
you can request a half dosage, too. That is what we do. At 5 we gave a
half dosasge of the only vaccine we give.
dawn h-s
**********
half dosasge of the only vaccine we give.
dawn h-s
**********
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 squeaksoup@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/1/01 17:38:31 Uhr, lurine@... writes:
>
> << IMHO, less is more and waiting until a child is at least 5 before giving
> any
> shots (if you decide to give shots) is to error on the side of caution and
> safety! >>
>
> A five year old is also given the same dose as a three pound infant. I think
> if you do choose to vaccinate that waiting is a prudent choice. Kimme
>
>
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Lynda
You can't get Hep B from a bathroom unless the
child went in and sliced a big chunk out of their body and then smeared
someone else's bodily fluids into it! You get Hep B from sharing needles,
from needle sticks (hospital personnel), from transfusions (rare now) and from
unprotected sex. Children get it from their parents while still in the
womb.
You can get Hep A from casual contact.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----From: Zahmiller@...Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:55 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ? about immunizationsWell, I don't know if you are looking for opinions to immunize but...
I immunized all of my children (3). It turned out to be very fortuitous when
a child contracted HepB and it was believed to have been from a local malls
bathroom that I have frequented several times with my children.
None of my children have ever had a problem, not even a fever after any of
the shots. It is my understanding that more children react to formula/cows
milk than ever do to immunizations. I have a cousin who decided not to
immunize and is now in the process of immuzizing her 3 1/2 year old daughter
to catch up and is immunizing her newborn (4 weeks) after a child in her
playgroup came down with measles and the mother lost her unborn child to
miscarriage believed to be related to it.
I do not want any letters attacking me or immunizations. I fully support the
decision NOT to immunize. It is your child your family and in my mind the
risks appear to be somewhat equal on both sides of the coin.
Thank you - just my 2 cents - hope it helps, Dawn
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Try reading the very informative book "A Shot in the Dark". There is
much about vaccinations that is not understood or even ever been
tested. Education and making an informed decision is key. If you nurse
your baby that is all the immunization it needs for at least the first
two years anyway.
There is growing evidence that the growing rates of crib death can be
attributed to vaccinations. Vaccinations change babies' breathing
patterns for weeks after receiving a shot. In countries where
vaccinations are delayed until 2 years of age (Sweden, Japan etc.), the
rate of crib death has dropped to nearly nil.
The only documented cases of polio in North America in recent years have
been from patients who have received the polio vaccine.
I chose to vaccinate my first two children but as I read and learned
more I did not vaccinate baby #3. My kids have been exposed to
everything...whooping cough, you name it, and my 2 year old baby has
done just fine. If you have a strong immune system these illnesses are
often tough to catch (I exposed my children to chicken pox 3 times and
they still did not contract the illness), and even if you do get it they
are not as threatening or "deadly" in developed countries with clean
water supply, good diet and proper sanitary conditions.
It's good to ask questions and do your own research. Don't blindly
follow what anyone else tells you or make a decision out of fear. There
are loads of sites/links on vaccinations on the internet.
Good luck!
Sonia
P.S. Hepatitis B is exceedingly difficult to contract and is contracted
only by unsafe lifestyle practices: IV drug use, unprotected sex or sex
with a partner you probably shouldn't be doing it with anyway. It is
contracted much like AIDS. Vaccinating newborns for this is nearly
criminal in my opinion. We should educate our children instead of
vaccinating them against such an easily preventable disease.
fmrduranie@... wrote:
much about vaccinations that is not understood or even ever been
tested. Education and making an informed decision is key. If you nurse
your baby that is all the immunization it needs for at least the first
two years anyway.
There is growing evidence that the growing rates of crib death can be
attributed to vaccinations. Vaccinations change babies' breathing
patterns for weeks after receiving a shot. In countries where
vaccinations are delayed until 2 years of age (Sweden, Japan etc.), the
rate of crib death has dropped to nearly nil.
The only documented cases of polio in North America in recent years have
been from patients who have received the polio vaccine.
I chose to vaccinate my first two children but as I read and learned
more I did not vaccinate baby #3. My kids have been exposed to
everything...whooping cough, you name it, and my 2 year old baby has
done just fine. If you have a strong immune system these illnesses are
often tough to catch (I exposed my children to chicken pox 3 times and
they still did not contract the illness), and even if you do get it they
are not as threatening or "deadly" in developed countries with clean
water supply, good diet and proper sanitary conditions.
It's good to ask questions and do your own research. Don't blindly
follow what anyone else tells you or make a decision out of fear. There
are loads of sites/links on vaccinations on the internet.
Good luck!
Sonia
P.S. Hepatitis B is exceedingly difficult to contract and is contracted
only by unsafe lifestyle practices: IV drug use, unprotected sex or sex
with a partner you probably shouldn't be doing it with anyway. It is
contracted much like AIDS. Vaccinating newborns for this is nearly
criminal in my opinion. We should educate our children instead of
vaccinating them against such an easily preventable disease.
fmrduranie@... wrote:
>
> Can't remember if I brought this to the list yet, or not, but, I am going to
> have our third baby in about five weeks and am considering my options on
> immunizations. I have been hearing a lot of mixed information on them and am
> beginning to think that all of the shots are not necessary for my children.
> So, my question to you all is how many of you have made the decision to
> withhold certain shots and how has it affected your children? I know that
> they cannot enter public school or daycare (which is obviously not a problem)
> but I have also heard that colleges will refuse entrance as well as certain
> jobs (probably mostly govt., I am guessing). I want to make an informed
> decision and would really appreciate any of your responses.
> April
>
>
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In a message dated 2/1/01 11:16:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
lurine@... writes:
<< You can't get Hep B from a bathroom unless the child went in and sliced a
big chunk out of their body and then smeared someone else's bodily fluids
into it! You get Hep B from sharing needles, from needle sticks (hospital
personnel), from transfusions (rare now) and from unprotected sex. Children
get it from their parents while still in the womb.
You can get Hep A from casual contact.
Lynda >>
I did my research on Hep B and it was the information I got from the CDC
which convinced me that it was a very slim risk factor for a child. Even the
vast majority of those who DO contract it experience no symptoms and are left
with no damage. The majority of those who DO experience symptoms are left
undamaged as well.
Due to the reaction reports I found on a web site for medical professionals
the risk of disease did not outweigh the risk of vaccine.
Sometime all it requires is to find the actual statistics and do the math. I
give all vaccines a fair chance and make an individual decision on each one.
Kris
lurine@... writes:
<< You can't get Hep B from a bathroom unless the child went in and sliced a
big chunk out of their body and then smeared someone else's bodily fluids
into it! You get Hep B from sharing needles, from needle sticks (hospital
personnel), from transfusions (rare now) and from unprotected sex. Children
get it from their parents while still in the womb.
You can get Hep A from casual contact.
Lynda >>
I did my research on Hep B and it was the information I got from the CDC
which convinced me that it was a very slim risk factor for a child. Even the
vast majority of those who DO contract it experience no symptoms and are left
with no damage. The majority of those who DO experience symptoms are left
undamaged as well.
Due to the reaction reports I found on a web site for medical professionals
the risk of disease did not outweigh the risk of vaccine.
Sometime all it requires is to find the actual statistics and do the math. I
give all vaccines a fair chance and make an individual decision on each one.
Kris
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In a message dated 2/1/2001 8:14:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kkibort@... writes:
I don't know Kerry, but after the latest stuff that was flying around, I
guess I felt that way.
Dawn
kkibort@... writes:
Is this the new climate of this list? That we have to
ask to not be condemmed for our beliefs every time we
speak our mind?
Kerry
I don't know Kerry, but after the latest stuff that was flying around, I
guess I felt that way.
Dawn
Tami Labig-Duquette
I dont immunize! I feel they are dangerous, and when my children are older
and decide they need them for whatever reason then they can get them. I
nursed all mine and feel they got enough from me.
Tami
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and decide they need them for whatever reason then they can get them. I
nursed all mine and feel they got enough from me.
Tami
>From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ? about immunizations
>Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:21:31 -0800
>
>If you are having your baby in a hospital, be sure and read the fine print.
>All hospitals are now giving babies Hep B vaccines without getting informed
>consent. This vaccine can be deadly! AND, even CDC agrees it is not
>necessary for an infant!
>
>As to other vaccines, there are a million pros and cons but the bottomline
>is that all research has shown that vaccines are extremely hard and
>frequently adverse for infants. Infants that are nursing are in most cases
>"immunized" by the breast milk.
>
>IMHO, less is more and waiting until a child is at least 5 before giving
>any
>shots (if you decide to give shots) is to error on the side of caution and
>safety!
>
>As to schools, daycares, jobs, etc. all have waivers you can sign. That
>is,
>except the military if you are shipping out somewhere and with the current
>court case going on, that may change also.
>
>Lynda
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <fmrduranie@...>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:00 PM
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] ? about immunizations
>
>
> > Can't remember if I brought this to the list yet, or not, but, I am
>going
>to
> > have our third baby in about five weeks and am considering my options on
> > immunizations. I have been hearing a lot of mixed information on them
>and
>am
> > beginning to think that all of the shots are not necessary for my
>children.
> > So, my question to you all is how many of you have made the decision to
> > withhold certain shots and how has it affected your children? I know
>that
> > they cannot enter public school or daycare (which is obviously not a
>problem)
> > but I have also heard that colleges will refuse entrance as well as
>certain
> > jobs (probably mostly govt., I am guessing). I want to make an informed
> > decision and would really appreciate any of your responses.
> > April
> >
> >
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What CDC and the reat of the "good" guys won't tell you is that both Hep B
and Hep A were tested on human guinea pigs (people who were not told they
were being given the vaccine) in Alaska and the Four Corners. What CDC also
won't tell you is that these guinea pigs now have 10 times the neurological
disorders of any other segment of the population AND have a 37% HIV rate.
On the HIV, they later said "Oh, gee, we must have used contaiminated blood
on that batch."
Lynda
and Hep A were tested on human guinea pigs (people who were not told they
were being given the vaccine) in Alaska and the Four Corners. What CDC also
won't tell you is that these guinea pigs now have 10 times the neurological
disorders of any other segment of the population AND have a 37% HIV rate.
On the HIV, they later said "Oh, gee, we must have used contaiminated blood
on that batch."
Lynda
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From: <louisaem@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ? about immunizations
> In a message dated 2/1/01 11:16:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> lurine@... writes:
>
> << You can't get Hep B from a bathroom unless the child went in and sliced
a
> big chunk out of their body and then smeared someone else's bodily fluids
> into it! You get Hep B from sharing needles, from needle sticks (hospital
> personnel), from transfusions (rare now) and from unprotected sex.
Children
> get it from their parents while still in the womb.
>
> You can get Hep A from casual contact.
>
> Lynda >>
>
> I did my research on Hep B and it was the information I got from the CDC
> which convinced me that it was a very slim risk factor for a child. Even
the
> vast majority of those who DO contract it experience no symptoms and are
left
> with no damage. The majority of those who DO experience symptoms are left
> undamaged as well.
>
> Due to the reaction reports I found on a web site for medical
professionals
> the risk of disease did not outweigh the risk of vaccine.
>
> Sometime all it requires is to find the actual statistics and do the math.
I
> give all vaccines a fair chance and make an individual decision on each
one.
>
> Kris
>
>
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In a message dated 2/2/01 2:26:22 AM, louisaem@... writes:
<< Sometime all it requires is to find the actual statistics and do the math.
crying or anything, they're told "don't worry" or "that's normal."
A friend in England had a child sick and fevery, limp for two days this last
summer when I was there from his mumps/measles set. The doctor didn't want
to see him--told her not to worry. That did not go on the stats.
My kids had more bad reactions than not, so I quit submitting them to it.
Kirby was vaccinated, Marty was half vaccinated, and Holly is hardly
vaccinated at all.
Sandra
<< Sometime all it requires is to find the actual statistics and do the math.
>>Bad reactions are rarely added to statistics. When parents report fevers or
crying or anything, they're told "don't worry" or "that's normal."
A friend in England had a child sick and fevery, limp for two days this last
summer when I was there from his mumps/measles set. The doctor didn't want
to see him--told her not to worry. That did not go on the stats.
My kids had more bad reactions than not, so I quit submitting them to it.
Kirby was vaccinated, Marty was half vaccinated, and Holly is hardly
vaccinated at all.
Sandra
Tami Labig-Duquette
I had a little girl in 1989(Lyndsey), she was given the first series,(DPT)
and ended up with a fever of over 108 degrees. Her body shut down, we ended
up at a childrens hospital and they diagnosed(sp) her with encephalitis of
unknown origin. She was 12 when she died, amd her mental capacity was 3
months. So no I do not immunize. I feel the disease is better then what she
went through!
Tami
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and ended up with a fever of over 108 degrees. Her body shut down, we ended
up at a childrens hospital and they diagnosed(sp) her with encephalitis of
unknown origin. She was 12 when she died, amd her mental capacity was 3
months. So no I do not immunize. I feel the disease is better then what she
went through!
Tami
>From: SandraDodd@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ? about immunizations
>Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:42:59 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 2/2/01 2:26:22 AM, louisaem@... writes:
>
><< Sometime all it requires is to find the actual statistics and do the
>math.
> >>
>
>Bad reactions are rarely added to statistics. When parents report fevers
>or
>crying or anything, they're told "don't worry" or "that's normal."
>
>A friend in England had a child sick and fevery, limp for two days this
>last
>summer when I was there from his mumps/measles set. The doctor didn't want
>to see him--told her not to worry. That did not go on the stats.
>
>My kids had more bad reactions than not, so I quit submitting them to it.
>Kirby was vaccinated, Marty was half vaccinated, and Holly is hardly
>vaccinated at all.
>
>Sandra
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Dear Tami,
How difficult that must've been for you.
in sympathy, Amalia
How difficult that must've been for you.
in sympathy, Amalia
Tami Labig-Duquette
Thank You Amalia!
Tami
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>From: adarl52357@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ? about immunizations
>Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:42:52 EST
>
> Dear Tami,
> How difficult that must've been for you.
> in sympathy, Amalia
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In a message dated 2/2/01 9:32:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
labigduquette@... writes:
<< She was 12 when she died >>
(((Tami)))
One thing my research has shown me that there are too many stories like this
on both sides of the issue. I can't imagine losing either one of my babies
for any reason. We can olnly do our best, parenting is the best and scariest
thing I've ever done.
Kris
labigduquette@... writes:
<< She was 12 when she died >>
(((Tami)))
One thing my research has shown me that there are too many stories like this
on both sides of the issue. I can't imagine losing either one of my babies
for any reason. We can olnly do our best, parenting is the best and scariest
thing I've ever done.
Kris
Cindy L.
Tami,
I can't find any meaningful words, thank you for sharing about your
daughter, what a terrible tragedy.
Cindy L.
I can't find any meaningful words, thank you for sharing about your
daughter, what a terrible tragedy.
Cindy L.
Tami Labig-Duquette
I wasnt sending meaningful words, only my experience, which was meaningful
enough for me and mine.
Tami
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enough for me and mine.
Tami
>From: "Cindy L." <clappin@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ? about immunizations
>Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:03:01 -0600
>
>Tami,
>
>I can't find any meaningful words, thank you for sharing about your
>daughter, what a terrible tragedy.
>
>Cindy L.
>
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I posted without letting your post sink in and now understand! Thanks!
Tami
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>From: "Cindy L." <clappin@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ? about immunizations
>Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:03:01 -0600
>
>Tami,
>
>I can't find any meaningful words, thank you for sharing about your
>daughter, what a terrible tragedy.
>
>Cindy L.
>
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>
> I can't find any meaningful words, thank you for
> sharing about your
> daughter, what a terrible tragedy.
>
> Cindy L.
>
>
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In a message dated 2/2/2001 9:24:46 AM, sulan@... writes:
<< There is growing evidence that the growing rates of crib death can be
attributed to vaccinations. >>
As well as to solitary sleep and possibly formula feeding.
Kimme homeschooling mama to Rebecca(7/24/85), Amanda(7/6/88),
Benjamin(5/15/92), Gabriel(4/7/95), Mary(12/6/97), and Samuel(2/19/00)
<< There is growing evidence that the growing rates of crib death can be
attributed to vaccinations. >>
As well as to solitary sleep and possibly formula feeding.
Kimme homeschooling mama to Rebecca(7/24/85), Amanda(7/6/88),
Benjamin(5/15/92), Gabriel(4/7/95), Mary(12/6/97), and Samuel(2/19/00)
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In a message dated 2/2/2001 9:24:46 AM, sulan@... writes:
<<
It's good to ask questions and do your own research. Don't blindly
follow what anyone else tells you or make a decision out of fear. There
are loads of sites/links on vaccinations on the internet.
seen as irresponsible but many of those who vaccinate do it blindly without
any research.
<<
It's good to ask questions and do your own research. Don't blindly
follow what anyone else tells you or make a decision out of fear. There
are loads of sites/links on vaccinations on the internet.
>>This is great advice. I find it ironic that those who question vaccines are
seen as irresponsible but many of those who vaccinate do it blindly without
any research.
Janet Hamlin
<<P.S. Hepatitis B is exceedingly difficult to contract and is contracted
only by unsafe lifestyle practices: IV drug use, unprotected sex or sex
with a partner you probably shouldn't be doing it with anyway. It is
contracted much like AIDS. Vaccinating newborns for this is nearly
criminal in my opinion. We should educate our children instead of
vaccinating them against such an easily preventable disease.>>
Unfortunately, children who suffer sexual abuse are at risk and don't have
much of a say, unfortunately. I think this factors into the decisions of
which vaccines, when, and why, even though the risks don't apply to a lot of
people.
I have vaccinated my children, except chicken pox, and now that I have done
more research I probably would not have had some of the other ones, either,
and had partially vaccinated children.
However, my son has had to have numerous blood and platelet transfusions
recently, and while our blood supply is screened, is it truly 100% safe?
Of course not. While I would forgo the Hep B shot if I had another child,
in retrospect I'm kind of glad he had it, just in case. Now I'm hoping he
avoids the chicken pox (whose vaccine is a vaccine in search of a disease),
because he is at risk now for the complications.
There is a lot of information out there. Do your homework, ask questions of
health professionals (not all are vaccine pushers!) and make your decisions
accordingly.
Janet
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only by unsafe lifestyle practices: IV drug use, unprotected sex or sex
with a partner you probably shouldn't be doing it with anyway. It is
contracted much like AIDS. Vaccinating newborns for this is nearly
criminal in my opinion. We should educate our children instead of
vaccinating them against such an easily preventable disease.>>
Unfortunately, children who suffer sexual abuse are at risk and don't have
much of a say, unfortunately. I think this factors into the decisions of
which vaccines, when, and why, even though the risks don't apply to a lot of
people.
I have vaccinated my children, except chicken pox, and now that I have done
more research I probably would not have had some of the other ones, either,
and had partially vaccinated children.
However, my son has had to have numerous blood and platelet transfusions
recently, and while our blood supply is screened, is it truly 100% safe?
Of course not. While I would forgo the Hep B shot if I had another child,
in retrospect I'm kind of glad he had it, just in case. Now I'm hoping he
avoids the chicken pox (whose vaccine is a vaccine in search of a disease),
because he is at risk now for the complications.
There is a lot of information out there. Do your homework, ask questions of
health professionals (not all are vaccine pushers!) and make your decisions
accordingly.
Janet
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