Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Introduction & Expeditions
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In a message dated 1/31/01 5:25:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kkibort@... writes:
<< 4. If there are no uns/hs families around your area,
what types of people do
is hard enough, but ad Pagan to the mix and its nearly
impossible. Not that we only look for Pagans, but its
quite hard to sit through scripture quotes and such
when , to me, its as painful as country music.
Basically, I look for natural folks, easy going,
simple livers. The 2001 Ford Expedition is my first
clue to run home. >>
Kerry, What a meanie! :-) Actually, we have a '99 Expedition. But hear me
out. I bought it because we have four kids and their friends to cart around.
The alternatives were a Mercedes SUV and a minivan. I wasn't even 30 yet. I
couldn't possibly be expected to drive a minivan! Sorry, that's probably
terribly offensive to someone since we all have our sensitive skin on. In
reality, I applaud your simple living philosophy. I don't think we'll ever
get there as a family unless we're forced to. I did live that way by economic
necessity many years ago, so I recognize both the challenges and rewards.
candice
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hold fast to dreams
For if dreams die
Life is a broken-winged bird
That cannot fly.
-Langston Hughes
kkibort@... writes:
<< 4. If there are no uns/hs families around your area,
what types of people do
> you like to hang out with/seek out?Thats a tough one. We're Pagan, so finding unschoolers
is hard enough, but ad Pagan to the mix and its nearly
impossible. Not that we only look for Pagans, but its
quite hard to sit through scripture quotes and such
when , to me, its as painful as country music.
Basically, I look for natural folks, easy going,
simple livers. The 2001 Ford Expedition is my first
clue to run home. >>
Kerry, What a meanie! :-) Actually, we have a '99 Expedition. But hear me
out. I bought it because we have four kids and their friends to cart around.
The alternatives were a Mercedes SUV and a minivan. I wasn't even 30 yet. I
couldn't possibly be expected to drive a minivan! Sorry, that's probably
terribly offensive to someone since we all have our sensitive skin on. In
reality, I applaud your simple living philosophy. I don't think we'll ever
get there as a family unless we're forced to. I did live that way by economic
necessity many years ago, so I recognize both the challenges and rewards.
candice
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hold fast to dreams
For if dreams die
Life is a broken-winged bird
That cannot fly.
-Langston Hughes
Kerry Kibort
":-) Actually, we have a '99 Expedition. But hear me
"
It just seems silly to me to drive a vehicle that
GUZZLES gasoline when we are in short supply and the
price is so high. I know you have your reasons for
owning one, and I'm not trying to put you down.
Besides, judging from your choices(all $20,000 and
up), you dont have the same concerns we do in our
family. (money)
Kerry
"
It just seems silly to me to drive a vehicle that
GUZZLES gasoline when we are in short supply and the
price is so high. I know you have your reasons for
owning one, and I'm not trying to put you down.
Besides, judging from your choices(all $20,000 and
up), you dont have the same concerns we do in our
family. (money)
Kerry
kalima
In a message dated 1/31/01 5:25:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kkibort@... writes:
< 4. If there are no uns/hs families around your area,
what types of people do
is hard enough, but ad Pagan to the mix and its nearly
impossible. Not that we only look for Pagans, but its
quite hard to sit through scripture quotes and such
when , to me, its as painful as country music.
Basically, I look for natural folks, easy going,
simple livers. The 2001 Ford Expedition is my first
clue to run home. >>
I am with you! We are pagan as well. I actually was trying to keep it
quite to let people get to know me first but a woman went and told most
everyone in my old town and well it got ugly fast living in New England
where some towns like to boost where they use to hang and drown the
witches in the old days. My worst expierance which has made me afraid to
go to things was I replied to a letter in Mothering Magazine and asked
if there were any pagan homeschoolers out there. I got some great
letters and have some wonderful penpals from it but...later I got a
phone call from a local homeschooling mom and an invitation to come up
to thier house later that afternoon. Seems it was come see the Pagan day
and try to convert her. I was so hurt from it and my kids were really
upset. I have friends who are christian and we all get along and don't
try to convert each other but this just really pushed me back into my
little shell for awhile.
As for the Expeditions...gees those things are huge and if you can drive
one more power to you. My dh calls me his little tree hugging hindu
kitchen witch. Well he just recently bought a Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer
Edition. I am against things like this but he wanted a truck to tow a
small boat or to go to the home improvement store to pick up his lumber
since he builds furniture in his spare time. I have been giving him such
a time about calling him yuppie and all but well he loves his new (used)
truck and I have to admit...it is fun to drive. I have to say one of the
most wonderful women I have met who was into many of the same things I
am actually lives in this fancy old house and her and her husband have
his and hers Mercedes. Tossed my thinking for a bit of a whirl. *L*
Namaste,
Shelly
kkibort@... writes:
< 4. If there are no uns/hs families around your area,
what types of people do
> you like to hang out with/seek out?Thats a tough one. We're Pagan, so finding unschoolers
is hard enough, but ad Pagan to the mix and its nearly
impossible. Not that we only look for Pagans, but its
quite hard to sit through scripture quotes and such
when , to me, its as painful as country music.
Basically, I look for natural folks, easy going,
simple livers. The 2001 Ford Expedition is my first
clue to run home. >>
I am with you! We are pagan as well. I actually was trying to keep it
quite to let people get to know me first but a woman went and told most
everyone in my old town and well it got ugly fast living in New England
where some towns like to boost where they use to hang and drown the
witches in the old days. My worst expierance which has made me afraid to
go to things was I replied to a letter in Mothering Magazine and asked
if there were any pagan homeschoolers out there. I got some great
letters and have some wonderful penpals from it but...later I got a
phone call from a local homeschooling mom and an invitation to come up
to thier house later that afternoon. Seems it was come see the Pagan day
and try to convert her. I was so hurt from it and my kids were really
upset. I have friends who are christian and we all get along and don't
try to convert each other but this just really pushed me back into my
little shell for awhile.
As for the Expeditions...gees those things are huge and if you can drive
one more power to you. My dh calls me his little tree hugging hindu
kitchen witch. Well he just recently bought a Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer
Edition. I am against things like this but he wanted a truck to tow a
small boat or to go to the home improvement store to pick up his lumber
since he builds furniture in his spare time. I have been giving him such
a time about calling him yuppie and all but well he loves his new (used)
truck and I have to admit...it is fun to drive. I have to say one of the
most wonderful women I have met who was into many of the same things I
am actually lives in this fancy old house and her and her husband have
his and hers Mercedes. Tossed my thinking for a bit of a whirl. *L*
Namaste,
Shelly
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In a message dated 1/31/1 6:14:15 PM, kalima@... writes:
<<I have to say one of the
most wonderful women I have met who was into many of the same things I
am actually lives in this fancy old house and her and her husband have
his and hers Mercedes. Tossed my thinking for a bit of a whirl. *L*
by flaunting it or just trying to be like someone else and buying what they
have to measure up)- and helping ourselves and others with it, having money
is good, and should get us the things we want.
Vic
<<I have to say one of the
most wonderful women I have met who was into many of the same things I
am actually lives in this fancy old house and her and her husband have
his and hers Mercedes. Tossed my thinking for a bit of a whirl. *L*
>>I believe as long as we're not hurting ourselves or anyone else (especially
by flaunting it or just trying to be like someone else and buying what they
have to measure up)- and helping ourselves and others with it, having money
is good, and should get us the things we want.
Vic
Kerry Kibort
"living in New England"
Me, too!
I also wasnt trying to insult the SUV crowd, just not
my thing. And , I have to admit, if you actually USE
the SUV as a SPORT UTILITY VEHICLE, thats great, but
there are so many out there buying those things just
to look good at the mall parking lot.
Kerry
Me, too!
I also wasnt trying to insult the SUV crowd, just not
my thing. And , I have to admit, if you actually USE
the SUV as a SPORT UTILITY VEHICLE, thats great, but
there are so many out there buying those things just
to look good at the mall parking lot.
Kerry
Olivia
Kerry, we have a Mercury Mountaineer (Ford Explorer sized vehicle), and I
struggle with the ethics of it because it is a gas guzzler. However, we
bought it two years ago to tow a small camper trailer which we use in the
summer and for long trips. You can't pull anything with a Geo, which we had
before, and marginally with a van. The struggle comes from wanting to be
more ecologically-minded and live more mindfully, and still go "camping". I
know some people would say to use a tent instead of a trailer, and that RVs
are not mindful. Well, my husband is not a tent-camper and never will be;
the trailer actually encourages us to use less while travelling because it
has small waste tanks and you can't carry much. The other alternative for
travel would be to stay in a hotel, which is hard with a dog. Plus,
building a hotel requires cutting out huge chunks of ecosystem: we have
watched as my town has allowed an entire hill to be denuded in order to
build 5 hotels! In that light, campgrounds don't make too much impact. If
we didn't have the camper, we would immediately sell the SUV.
OK, so I am rambling this morning! LOL You get the general idea: many of us
struggle with choosing between what we enjoy (convenience) and what is the
right thing to do for the environment. I try to make up for this in other
ways, because we use less "stuff" than the average American by far. I would
love it if they could come out with a methane-powered or solar RV. Hey, DS
loves cars. I have been saying someday he will design and build one for us!
Olivia
At 05:47 PM 2/1/01, you wrote:
struggle with the ethics of it because it is a gas guzzler. However, we
bought it two years ago to tow a small camper trailer which we use in the
summer and for long trips. You can't pull anything with a Geo, which we had
before, and marginally with a van. The struggle comes from wanting to be
more ecologically-minded and live more mindfully, and still go "camping". I
know some people would say to use a tent instead of a trailer, and that RVs
are not mindful. Well, my husband is not a tent-camper and never will be;
the trailer actually encourages us to use less while travelling because it
has small waste tanks and you can't carry much. The other alternative for
travel would be to stay in a hotel, which is hard with a dog. Plus,
building a hotel requires cutting out huge chunks of ecosystem: we have
watched as my town has allowed an entire hill to be denuded in order to
build 5 hotels! In that light, campgrounds don't make too much impact. If
we didn't have the camper, we would immediately sell the SUV.
OK, so I am rambling this morning! LOL You get the general idea: many of us
struggle with choosing between what we enjoy (convenience) and what is the
right thing to do for the environment. I try to make up for this in other
ways, because we use less "stuff" than the average American by far. I would
love it if they could come out with a methane-powered or solar RV. Hey, DS
loves cars. I have been saying someday he will design and build one for us!
Olivia
At 05:47 PM 2/1/01, you wrote:
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:30:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Introduction & Expeditions
>
>"living in New England"
>Me, too!
>I also wasnt trying to insult the SUV crowd, just not
>my thing. And , I have to admit, if you actually USE
>the SUV as a SPORT UTILITY VEHICLE, thats great, but
>there are so many out there buying those things just
>to look good at the mall parking lot.
>Kerry
Cory and Amy Nelson
You could always trade in the big rv for a smaller pop-up camper. That's
what my parents bought as we kids got older and they wanted more comfort
than our family tent had provided :). Their pop-up has been across much of
the U.S. and has been hauled by a Ford LTD or similar cars. Might be a way
to compromise. :)
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated" -Indigo Girls
what my parents bought as we kids got older and they wanted more comfort
than our family tent had provided :). Their pop-up has been across much of
the U.S. and has been hauled by a Ford LTD or similar cars. Might be a way
to compromise. :)
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated" -Indigo Girls
> Kerry, we have a Mercury Mountaineer (Ford Explorer sized vehicle), and I
> struggle with the ethics of it because it is a gas guzzler. However, we
> bought it two years ago to tow a small camper trailer which we use in the
> summer and for long trips. You can't pull anything with a Geo, which we had
> before, and marginally with a van.
Tracy Oldfield
Are most of these cars diesel? Cos there's bio-diesel,
plant-derived, and the plants grown for this use more
CO2 than the cars produce. Maybe if people keep asking
their local petrol station when they're getting it, it
might filter back that there's demand for it...
Tracy
Kerry, we have a Mercury Mountaineer (Ford Explorer
sized vehicle), and I
struggle with the ethics of it because it is a gas
guzzler. However, we
bought it two years ago to tow a small camper trailer
which we use in the
summer and for long trips. You can't pull anything with
a Geo, which we had
before, and marginally with a van. The struggle comes
from wanting to be
more ecologically-minded and live more mindfully, and
still go "camping". I
know some people would say to use a tent instead of a
trailer, and that RVs
are not mindful. Well, my husband is not a tent-camper
and never will be;
the trailer actually encourages us to use less while
travelling because it
has small waste tanks and you can't carry much. The
other alternative for
travel would be to stay in a hotel, which is hard with
a dog. Plus,
building a hotel requires cutting out huge chunks of
ecosystem: we have
watched as my town has allowed an entire hill to be
denuded in order to
build 5 hotels! In that light, campgrounds don't make
too much impact. If
we didn't have the camper, we would immediately sell
the SUV.
OK, so I am rambling this morning! LOL You get the
general idea: many of us
struggle with choosing between what we enjoy
(convenience) and what is the
right thing to do for the environment. I try to make up
for this in other
ways, because we use less "stuff" than the average
American by far. I would
love it if they could come out with a methane-powered
or solar RV. Hey, DS
loves cars. I have been saying someday he will design
and build one for us!
Olivia
At 05:47 PM 2/1/01, you wrote:
plant-derived, and the plants grown for this use more
CO2 than the cars produce. Maybe if people keep asking
their local petrol station when they're getting it, it
might filter back that there's demand for it...
Tracy
Kerry, we have a Mercury Mountaineer (Ford Explorer
sized vehicle), and I
struggle with the ethics of it because it is a gas
guzzler. However, we
bought it two years ago to tow a small camper trailer
which we use in the
summer and for long trips. You can't pull anything with
a Geo, which we had
before, and marginally with a van. The struggle comes
from wanting to be
more ecologically-minded and live more mindfully, and
still go "camping". I
know some people would say to use a tent instead of a
trailer, and that RVs
are not mindful. Well, my husband is not a tent-camper
and never will be;
the trailer actually encourages us to use less while
travelling because it
has small waste tanks and you can't carry much. The
other alternative for
travel would be to stay in a hotel, which is hard with
a dog. Plus,
building a hotel requires cutting out huge chunks of
ecosystem: we have
watched as my town has allowed an entire hill to be
denuded in order to
build 5 hotels! In that light, campgrounds don't make
too much impact. If
we didn't have the camper, we would immediately sell
the SUV.
OK, so I am rambling this morning! LOL You get the
general idea: many of us
struggle with choosing between what we enjoy
(convenience) and what is the
right thing to do for the environment. I try to make up
for this in other
ways, because we use less "stuff" than the average
American by far. I would
love it if they could come out with a methane-powered
or solar RV. Hey, DS
loves cars. I have been saying someday he will design
and build one for us!
Olivia
At 05:47 PM 2/1/01, you wrote:
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:30:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Introduction & Expeditions
>
>"living in New England"
>Me, too!
>I also wasnt trying to insult the SUV crowd, just not
>my thing. And , I have to admit, if you actually USE
>the SUV as a SPORT UTILITY VEHICLE, thats great, but
>there are so many out there buying those things just
>to look good at the mall parking lot.
>Kerry