Say... How bout them Blazers Huh?
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Anyone wanna talk sports???
Trade recipes???
How bout unschooling??? There's an idea!!!<g>
Teri who is now looking over her shoulder for the odd lion or two;-)
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How bout unschooling??? There's an idea!!!<g>
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I think I started an email monster and I sure did not mean too.
On the unschooling front.... it is cold here, icy and cold. My boys have been
busy reading about a certain subject and when they need a break they then
draw the subjects. (I would rather not say what it is as I may start another
argument! ) It is neat how when an interest is fired kids will really go with
it. The girls have been playing their horns (sax and clarinet) and working on
their various interests. One is learning Japanese ( karate triggered) and the
other has been working with the microscope. (science geek) Funny how being
housebound changes things. Last week, when we were enjoying warm weather,
they were outside working on projects there. (My oldest is determined on
raising the finest blackberries on earth and she has been working and
studying on that. The other three have been working with the you know whats.)
It was a nice break this evening to get out of the house and take the girls
to karate. It is a 35 mile drive and it was snowing pretty hard, yet we
plowed through mud to get to the highway. Weirdest weather. The boys prowled
through the adult section at the library, they love non-fiction, while the
girls were in class. Now we are home again and I see my email I wonder what
has happened. And it is all because my kids bought puppies.
I hope everyone had a fun day too.
Oh and I forgot, we also played several rousting games of eye-popping bubbu.
I wish we had a big house like Sandra though, then it would have been much
more fun!
:)
On the unschooling front.... it is cold here, icy and cold. My boys have been
busy reading about a certain subject and when they need a break they then
draw the subjects. (I would rather not say what it is as I may start another
argument! ) It is neat how when an interest is fired kids will really go with
it. The girls have been playing their horns (sax and clarinet) and working on
their various interests. One is learning Japanese ( karate triggered) and the
other has been working with the microscope. (science geek) Funny how being
housebound changes things. Last week, when we were enjoying warm weather,
they were outside working on projects there. (My oldest is determined on
raising the finest blackberries on earth and she has been working and
studying on that. The other three have been working with the you know whats.)
It was a nice break this evening to get out of the house and take the girls
to karate. It is a 35 mile drive and it was snowing pretty hard, yet we
plowed through mud to get to the highway. Weirdest weather. The boys prowled
through the adult section at the library, they love non-fiction, while the
girls were in class. Now we are home again and I see my email I wonder what
has happened. And it is all because my kids bought puppies.
I hope everyone had a fun day too.
Oh and I forgot, we also played several rousting games of eye-popping bubbu.
I wish we had a big house like Sandra though, then it would have been much
more fun!
:)
Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall
Well I have been absent in recent months due to a series of illnesses. I know this topic has been discussed before, but I need help. A good friend is telling me to look into FMS, as she thinks I am a prime candidate for such a diagnosis. I really am starting to feel like some kind of hypochondriac because I always seem to be sick. So educate me about FMS, what are key symptoms, and would my family doc even know what it is? I am really finding that my life is profoundly affected by my consistently poor health, even more so that it always was as a child, since I have kids of my own to care for now and just cannot be sick this much.
Also, my son has multiple allergy issues, as many of you may know, since we have discussed allergies before too. He just turned four in December and I have been avoiding intrusive allergy tests because I did not want to put a young child through a lot of torture over them. Now I am thinking, for his own safety, I need to get in to see an allergist and have some comprehensive testing done on him, as well as myself. Any advice from parents of allergic and special medical needs children?
Nanci K.,
Sick and Tired of being Sick and Tired
Currently recovering from a Bronchial infection, latest illness
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Also, my son has multiple allergy issues, as many of you may know, since we have discussed allergies before too. He just turned four in December and I have been avoiding intrusive allergy tests because I did not want to put a young child through a lot of torture over them. Now I am thinking, for his own safety, I need to get in to see an allergist and have some comprehensive testing done on him, as well as myself. Any advice from parents of allergic and special medical needs children?
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Kerry Kibort
Anyone wanna talk sports???
My family is BIG into hockey. The Boston Bruins won
the St. Louis Blues last night! Wahoo!
Anyone else into hockey? Other sports?
Kerry
My family is BIG into hockey. The Boston Bruins won
the St. Louis Blues last night! Wahoo!
Anyone else into hockey? Other sports?
Kerry
[email protected]
In a message dated 01/31/2001 1:36:05 PM !!!First Boot!!!, kkibort@...
writes:
No.
But I will say that it is a nice way for my son and husband to talk.
They read the sports page together and discuss the big game and watch TV
sports together and cheer or boo as needed.
My son is into the stats of the various teams (can you tell I have no clue?
:) ).
It is a nice little world that they can talk about. (Son is not old enough
to be interested in the raunchier side of sports!)
Nance (how sexist can we be -- but truly daughter and I are just not that
interested -- although we do deliberately cheer for the local football team
which Dad hates -- just to bug him!)
writes:
Anyone wanna talk sports?
No.
But I will say that it is a nice way for my son and husband to talk.
They read the sports page together and discuss the big game and watch TV
sports together and cheer or boo as needed.
My son is into the stats of the various teams (can you tell I have no clue?
:) ).
It is a nice little world that they can talk about. (Son is not old enough
to be interested in the raunchier side of sports!)
Nance (how sexist can we be -- but truly daughter and I are just not that
interested -- although we do deliberately cheer for the local football team
which Dad hates -- just to bug him!)
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/30/2001 8:34:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
unschoolr2@... writes:
Here, here Teri!
I have a great experience to share - if anyone care and it is about
unschooling!
My ds8 surprised me yesterday by taking out a workbook and doing an entire
page of division! I didnt even think he understood the way a division
problem looks never mind that he could actually do it! He told me he just
wanted to see if he was getting the "multiplication thing" and the "division
thing" is just the "other part of it". His words! I was so thrilled!
Why was I so thrilled - well, because like all of you (except maybe Sandra) I
have moments of self-doubt and it was very affirming to me that even though I
know in my heart he is learning and doing so amazing great out of ps - i got
to see it in black and white.
I guess that is not a very "unschooling" thing to admit - however, i am being
truthful! And, it truly helps to affirm my resolve to continue to unschool!
Thanks for listening - Dawn
unschoolr2@... writes:
Anyone wanna talk sports???
Trade recipes???
How bout unschooling??? There's an idea!!!<g>
Teri who is now looking over her shoulder for the odd lion or two;-)
Here, here Teri!
I have a great experience to share - if anyone care and it is about
unschooling!
My ds8 surprised me yesterday by taking out a workbook and doing an entire
page of division! I didnt even think he understood the way a division
problem looks never mind that he could actually do it! He told me he just
wanted to see if he was getting the "multiplication thing" and the "division
thing" is just the "other part of it". His words! I was so thrilled!
Why was I so thrilled - well, because like all of you (except maybe Sandra) I
have moments of self-doubt and it was very affirming to me that even though I
know in my heart he is learning and doing so amazing great out of ps - i got
to see it in black and white.
I guess that is not a very "unschooling" thing to admit - however, i am being
truthful! And, it truly helps to affirm my resolve to continue to unschool!
Thanks for listening - Dawn
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/30/2001 11:21:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tn-k4of5@... writes:
The tests are not all that bad. My ds5 had a few months ago all the testing.
The first round was with tiny little needles 5 in a row on this plastic bar
dipped in the allergen and he had over 100 in one day and didnt even flinch
when they were pushed onto his skin. Said it didn't hurt at all or fell like
anything more than a push against him.
The second round was actual tiny syringes of stuff being injected under the
skin. The allergist gave us a prescription cream called EMLA that we put on
the areas to be injected (both upper arms) two hours before the appointment.
He did not feel a thing. It completely numbs the area.
I also have a cousin who has gone thru the same testing with her ds at the
age of two and had the same results. Not a tear shed.
Yet the peace of mind of being able to better understand the allergies is
worth the worry anyway.
Dawn
tn-k4of5@... writes:
Also, my son has multiple allergy issues, as many of you may know, since we
have discussed allergies before too. He just turned four in December and I
have been avoiding intrusive allergy tests because I did not want to put a
young child through a lot of torture over them. Now I am thinking, for his
own safety, I need to get in to see an allergist and have some
comprehensive testing done on him, as well as myself. Any advice from
parents of allergic and special medical needs children?
Nanci K.,
Sick and Tired of being Sick and Tired
Currently recovering from a Bronchial infection, latest illness
The tests are not all that bad. My ds5 had a few months ago all the testing.
The first round was with tiny little needles 5 in a row on this plastic bar
dipped in the allergen and he had over 100 in one day and didnt even flinch
when they were pushed onto his skin. Said it didn't hurt at all or fell like
anything more than a push against him.
The second round was actual tiny syringes of stuff being injected under the
skin. The allergist gave us a prescription cream called EMLA that we put on
the areas to be injected (both upper arms) two hours before the appointment.
He did not feel a thing. It completely numbs the area.
I also have a cousin who has gone thru the same testing with her ds at the
age of two and had the same results. Not a tear shed.
Yet the peace of mind of being able to better understand the allergies is
worth the worry anyway.
Dawn
Kerry Kibort
-"- but truly daughter and I are just not that
interested -- although we do deliberately cheer for
the local football team
which Dad hates -- just to bug him!) "
Would you agree that boys have something inside them
that makes them agressive and rowdy that most girls
just dont have. I feel very outnumbered in my house
when the boys(dh included) are very excited by
something that I see as ridiculous. I sit there and
think "How on earth can I live with these aliens". I
love them for who they are, its just that the
difference between the way we think is unbelievable. I
was never close to any boys in my life and now I have
4 of my own. I feel like I live on a new planet!
Kerry
interested -- although we do deliberately cheer for
the local football team
which Dad hates -- just to bug him!) "
Would you agree that boys have something inside them
that makes them agressive and rowdy that most girls
just dont have. I feel very outnumbered in my house
when the boys(dh included) are very excited by
something that I see as ridiculous. I sit there and
think "How on earth can I live with these aliens". I
love them for who they are, its just that the
difference between the way we think is unbelievable. I
was never close to any boys in my life and now I have
4 of my own. I feel like I live on a new planet!
Kerry
Janet Hamlin
How do those of you that work work out your schedules? Do you work from
home? at night? dh stays home? Lately we have had so much going on in our
lives other than homeschooling and I am feeling a personal need to join the
workforce and be productive. Staying at home is boring me to tears lately
but daycare is not an option for my son (health problems) and school is not
an option for my daughter (all that ps socialization crap). I'm just not
sure how I can work it out. Any thoughts?
Janet
home? at night? dh stays home? Lately we have had so much going on in our
lives other than homeschooling and I am feeling a personal need to join the
workforce and be productive. Staying at home is boring me to tears lately
but daycare is not an option for my son (health problems) and school is not
an option for my daughter (all that ps socialization crap). I'm just not
sure how I can work it out. Any thoughts?
Janet
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> 1. Re: Introduction
> From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>
> 2. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>
> 3. Re: off topic?
> From: "Elizabeth Hill" <ecsamhill@...>
> 4. Re: Introduction
> From: Cory and Amy Nelson <amynelson3@...>
> 5. borax and the environment
> From: megates@...
> 6. Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> From: cmas100@...
> 7. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> From: "Laura M" <lauramatec@...>
> 8. Re: off topic?
> From: dawn <dawn@...>
> 9. Re: ridgeback rescue
> From: Cindy Ferguson <crma@...>
> 10. Re: Digest Number 960
> From: ChipandLaura@...
> 11. Re: Re: Tetris
> From: "Tami Labig-Duquette" <labigduquette@...>
> 12. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> From: "Susan " <seaf@...>
> 13. Re: pro-life
> From: cmas100@...
> 14. Re: pro-life
> From: cmas100@...
> 15. Re: Digest Number 960
> From: ChipandLaura@...
> 16. Answering Vic'c intro...
> From: androdite@...
> 17. Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> From: cmas100@...
> 18. raising dogs & pro-life
> From: Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
> 19. Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> From: cmas100@...
> 20. Say... How bout them Blazers Huh?
> From: unschoolr2@...
> 21. messy vs. disorganized
> From: "Annette Naake" <naake1999@...>
> 22. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> From: louisaem@...
> 23. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> From: "Cindy L." <clappin@...>
> 24. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> From: "Vicki A. Dennis" <mamaxaos@...>
> 25. Re: Say... How bout them Blazers Huh?
> From: discovery6@...
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:58:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>
> Subject: Re: Introduction
>
> 3. Does anyone on this list live on Grand Bahama?
>
> Only in my dreams........ I'm reclined on a chair----
> here somes a beautiful man with a frozen drink.....Oh,
> he brought a leaf to fan me......
> Oh, sh*t, I smell a poopy diaper----- there goes
> paradise.
> :)Kerry
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:07:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
>
> So I understand it in Christian terms, but I don't
> like to keep on seeing it
> in homeschooling discussions.
>
> Wait! What about the eduaction we are getting out of
> this intellegent discussion on abortion and dog
> breeding?<gggg>
> Sorry, I couldnt resist. First Jesus, now this.
> Kerry, your cousin and possibly also a monkey
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: 30 Jan 2001 07:26:06 +0000
> From: "Elizabeth Hill" <ecsamhill@...>
> Subject: Re: off topic?
>
> >I believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and a beautiful example of how
> >one should try to live one's life.
>
> I'm just a born skeptic and am unable to believe anything that seems
> magical or unscientific to me.
>
> SO... I believe Jesus Christ was the son of man AND a beautiful example of
> how one should try to live one's life.
>
> In some ways, we're not so far apart. :-)
>
> Betsy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:18:02 -0600
> From: Cory and Amy Nelson <amynelson3@...>
> Subject: Re: Introduction
>
> Welcome Vic!
>
> I'm Amy, 24, SAHM to 19-month-old Accalia Grace. We live in snowy South
> Dakota (just got 20 inches today).
>
> > 1. What ties us all together as unschoolers? What is the notivation
behind
> > it all for everyone?
>
> My motivation for unschooling is simply that it continues to respect
Accalia
> individuality as she grows. That's why I practice attachment parenting and
> that's what drew me to unschooling.
> >
> > 2. What does everyone do for discipline when it's needed?
>
> Truthfully we haven't had to do much "discipline" around here. Accalia's
> getting past the point where distraction always works, but so far I've
found
> that she responds quite well to me explaining my reasoning and helping her
> to express her feelings of frustration, anger, sadness, etc. I know this
> won't be as easy as she gets older, but we'll take it one day at a time
:).
> I guess you could say we use gentle and positive discipline. I take a lot
of
> my ideas from The Discipline Book by Sears. I do not use violence in any
way
> - no spanking, no yelling. And I'm not too excited about timeouts as so
many
> people seem to use them to punish.
>
> > 4. If there are no uns/hs families around your area, what types of
people do
> > you like to hang out with/seek out? The types of people that you find
the
> > most rewarding for your family.
>
> Since Accalia is still so young, I'm not actively seeking out uns/hs
> families. I'm not sure I'd be very successful in this area either. I do
> have friends with children close in age to Accalia who follow the same
> parenting principles I do. Those parents are who I spend most of my social
> time with.
>
> > What really are the most important goals for us all?
>
> My goals for Accalia is that she will be happy with who she is, never
afraid
> to learn more or search for the answers and for her to know that she can
> always rely on her family.
>
> Amy
> Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
> "The hardest to learn was the least complicated" -Indigo Girls
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:09:02 -0800
> From: megates@...
> Subject: borax and the environment
>
> I found this link on the http://simpleliving.net
> I don't know if this book is in the library, but it sounded helpful in
> making choices.
> Mary Ellen
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:38:40 -0000
> From: cmas100@...
> Subject: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
>
> I'm sure that it is known that the laws favor abortion in the U.S.,
> and that people who believed that abortion should be legal had to
> push their beliefs onto others or in the public eye to get the laws
> changed in the first place.
>
> I'm also sure that reasonable people, regardless of your belief on
> the subject, know that most people who respect life do not protest in
> a violent manner. Unfortunately, no matter what cause is being taken
> up by the people, there are some radicals. This is true with women's
> rights, minority's rights, government protestors, as well as people
> on both sides of abortion. What constitutes violence is obviously an
> opinion here since photos of tiny feet or movies depicting the
> reality of what abortion is have to come from somewhere. In my
> opinion, a violent act had to take place in order for there to be
> mutilated body parts. Do people really want to see these images? I
> personally don't, but that doesn't hide the fact that these acts are
> taking place and we call it "abortion" and it's supposed to be o.k.
>
> Since I was responding to a comment made, "...that they can have an
> entirely horrible life of abuse and deprivation is pooh-poohed by
> right-wing Christians in comfortable homes who don't let their
> children associate with the very people whose reproductive rights
> they want to control.", I'm wondering why it is alright to voice this
> strong and not necessarily accurate view, yet it seems so offensive
> to some that my view is pro-life. Did I place judgement or call "pro-
> choicers" anything but that? Am I responding to left-wing Atheists?
> Did I tell anyone that their opinion is "the lamest bunch of nonsense
> I've seen in a long time."?
>
> >>Do you think that you have some "God Given" right to shove your
> beliefs down our throats, while we have no rights since we don't all
> prescribe to the rules of your god. This seems totally unfair and
> hypocrital of you.<<
>
> And rights? Someone felt that they had the "right" to label and make
> clear their "pro-choice" beliefs, whether I wanted to read it or
> not. But that's not shoving something down some of our throats? I
> do believe that we all have the "right" to our opinion and free-will,
> whether you "prescribe to the rules of my God" or not. Opinion and
> free-will were expressed in the original post regarding abortion, yet
> this is not unfair or hypocritical of that person. I do not
> understand how that can be.
>
> I'd also like to say that my original intention was not to offend the
> author or the other users on this site. I see that some of you have
> no problem responding to this with the intention to offend. I also
> know that your beliefs certainly won't be changed by my posts.
>
> So, if my husband and I want to have several children, it's supposed
> to be o.k. for everyone to share with us their opinions regarding
> sterilization, birth control and abortion, yet we are not supposed to
> share our belief in procreation? Again, I do not understand how that
> can be.
>
> It does sadden me to see how compassionate people can be toward the
> animals killed daily in our country, but that same compassion does
> not seem to spill over to the humans killed daily in our country.
>
> Chris
> Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> March!!!
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Debbie & K.C. Jones" <debj@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 01/30/01 3:38:30 PM, cmas100@h... writes:
> > >
> > > << That strikes me as
> > > ironic since we don't go around shoving our beliefs down other
> > > people's throats and we don't try to "convince" others to follow
> our
> > > beliefs. >>
> > >
> > > Not counting laws and abortion clinic protests (some violent),
> and the movies
> > > and photos of little feet.
> >
> > And when WAS the last time we saw 'pro-choice' protesters picketing
> > outside a 'Wee Life' organization? Or trying to pass laws forcing
> > 'pro-choice' upon others? I'm sorry.. I generally keep my views to
> > myself, but this is the lamest bunch of nonsense I've seen in a long
> > time. Deb (Mom to Cory 9 1/2 and Jesse 14 months)
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:50:43 -0500
> From: "Laura M" <lauramatec@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
>
> Candice,
>
> This is a direct quote from her post...
>
> That strikes me as
> ironic since we don't go around shoving our beliefs down other
> people's throats and we don't try to "convince" others to follow our
> beliefs.
>
> She is the one who said "we" to begin with, including herself with the
> pro-lifers. She cannot say that she is a part of a group and then say that
> said group doesn't do things that we all know they do. No, I don't know
her
> personally, but I do know the deeds of the group that she includes herself
> in.
>
> Laura
>
> >From: czuniga145@...
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:58:29 EST
> >
> >In a message dated 1/30/01 5:17:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> >lauramatec@... writes:
> >
> ><< OH, BUT YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!! >>
> >
> >Do you know this woman personally?
> >
> >candice
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:52:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: dawn <dawn@...>
> Subject: Re: off topic?
>
> > >I believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and a beautiful example of
how
> > >one should try to live one's life.
> >
> > I'm just a born skeptic and am unable to believe anything that seems
> > magical or unscientific to me.
> >
> > SO... I believe Jesus Christ was the son of man AND a beautiful example
of
> > how one should try to live one's life.
> >
> Perhaps I'm even more of a skeptic and I'm sure my son is. I just read
> the two previous quotes to him to help him understand how he and his xian
> friends maybe do share some common ground in that way, and he immediately
> asked me, "Is there any evidence that Jesus ever existed?" I dont' know
> the answer to that. Is there? OUtside of the Bible, that is.
> dawn h-s
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:47:21 -0800
> From: Cindy Ferguson <crma@...>
> Subject: Re: ridgeback rescue
>
>
> Cath wrote :
> > There is a ridgeback rescue?? I have heard of the greyhound rescue but
what
> > is happening to ridgebacks that they need help?
> >
> I think most breeds have rescue programs now. It for abandoned dogs or
> for people who for whatever reason cannot keep their dogs. I know here
> in Northern CA they have arrangements with shelters to take the dogs
> Reading about what happens to some of them is heartbreaking! My FIL
> was looking into adopting one but then he decided to get a puppy. She
> is a delight and is really keeping him young and active (he's 76). My
> Ridgeback is 5.5; when my son gets a bit older we will get another one.
> A 3 year old and a puppy just don't mix well! I really love these dogs!
>
> --
>
> Cindy Ferguson
> crma@...
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:54:34 EST
> From: ChipandLaura@...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 960
>
>
>
> > Do you
> > think that you have some "God Given" right to shove your beliefs down
our
> > throats, while we have no rights since we don't all prescribe to the
rules
> > of your god. This seems totally unfair and hypocrital of you.
> >
>
> Wow. I think the poor woman was saying SHE does not, and unless she
emailed
> you and crammed her belief down your throat, you can't call her
hypocritical.
>
> You know, I've been on here a couple of weeks.. I obviously don't fit in
the
> clique.
> I've seen a few others that don't either. We newbies post an introduction
and
> are completely ignored and unwelcomed by everyone..
> I thought mine didn't go thru the first time. I re posted. I was greeted
> with
> a "Yes, we saw it" and a belated "hello" from one nice person, and totally
> ignored again by everyone else.
>
> At first, I thought this was neat.. there was actually discussions on
> unschooling
> going on. Now there is religion and politics. And before a bunch jump in
> here to
> say that unschooling encompasses all of these subjects.. I agree with
that.
> BUT, to ignore the unschooling posts because everyone is in fight mode..
> I don't have time for that.
>
> I'm on digest form, to save time. This digest was nothing but one long
> argument.
> I can't simply delete the "hot" threads, as the message titles don't
reflect
> what's
> inside, and they come all together with the good ones.
> The ol' Delete button doesn't work so great under these circumstances, I
have
> to
> scroll past all of this....
>
> So I think I will unsub... and that is kind of sad. I am Christian, but I
am
> open minded to all beliefs IF that belief calls you to a higher ground. I
> respect anyone that has
> a belief system that changes their behavior for the better.
> I just am not seeing that here, I'm seeing people trying to drag each
others
> beliefs
> thru the mud.... it's very sad and against every "religion" or belief
system
> of which I am aware.
>
> We have a LOT in common. We love our kids and give up a lot to stay with
them
> and make them the best people they can be. We share a controversial
method
> that
> we KNOW works... people think we're nuts.. ;o)
> I had hoped that this would be enough to sustain a group.
>
> I don't mean to preach and run.. I just needed to get it off my chest
instead
> of
> just disappearing.
>
> All the best to everyone!
> Laura
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:07:04 -0500
> From: "Tami Labig-Duquette" <labigduquette@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Tetris
>
> I used to hun and whistle the Dr. Mario songs :)
> I thought they were a cute little didy at the time.
> Tami
>
>
> >From: SandraDodd@...
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Tetris
> >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:43:15 EST
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 01/29/01 7:54:25 PM, diamondair@... writes:
> >
> ><< There has been a lot of money expended in research to find
> >more games that seem to reach the same place in women's minds as Tetris
> >does. >>
> >
> >I like Dr. Mario and Kirby's Avalanche better because of the color
> >component.
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:10:52 -0800
> From: "Susan " <seaf@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
>
>
> I just have to respond, and I will probably regret
> it. I am a practicing Catholic and many of my closet friends, both
> spiritually and neighborly are baptists. Do I support the radical
pro-life
> movement that burns clinics and kills people? Of course not, and I'd be
> hard pressed to name one person in my parish of well over a thousand
families
> who would support that kind of violence. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to
> find a single person in my parish who would consider any other person of
any
> religion "evil." In fact, our priests regularly use protestant Christians
> and members of other faiths as examples of holy life.
>
>
>
> While I certainly know from personal experience that
> some people of faith aren't tolerant, I am quite reluctant to group
everyone
> together. If anyone wants a generalization of Catholicism that works
> for me, it is that we believe that Christ came to redeem the world--and at
some
> point everyone will be redeemed. Do I understand how that will work?
> Of course not, and I really don't want to know. But do I believe that if
> Christ would die to redeem the world-- every single person with every
single
> idiosyncrasy, can I condemn anyone? I think not.
>
>
>
> Sometimes people who are part of the radical fringe are
> just that--radically unbalanced. Probably whatever group gave them some
> acceptance would be the beneficiary of their unbalanced sense of
> allegiance. I love life, and that will cause me to get involved and help
> anyone I can to live a full life--old person, sick person, lonely person,
> condemned person, unborn person. Yet, I could never take it upon myself
to
> judge and condemn another's actions.
>
>
>
> But please, don't take the old shibboleths and give
> them new life. I don't hate anyone, am not a "fundamentalist", unless you
> mean I fundamentally believe God loves us all and we should strive to do
the
> same.....Susan---wife of one, mother of three, caretaker of multiple four
legged
> friends, friend to many...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From:
>
> To: [email protected]
>
> Sent: 01/30/2001 6:03:08 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:
> raising dogs pro-life
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not right. Duty.
>
> I've been a fundamentalist Christian, and I honestly understand their
drive
>
>
> to proselytize and to help prevent sin.
>
>
>
> And naturally, the Catholics and the Baptists see one another as
> part of the
>
> Satanic evil.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- seaf@...
>
>
>
>
> [This message contained attachments]
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:09:39 -0000
> From: cmas100@...
> Subject: Re: pro-life
>
> Nanci,
>
> Thank you for your response and for helping to make something clear.
> You are correct in thinking that "we" does mean my husband and me.
> I'd also like to thank you for understanding the nature of the post;
> there are people who have their beliefs and do their best to lives
> them out, whether it's based on spirituality or not.
>
> I'll also thank you for seeing that people on the "other side" of the
> pro-choice issue are attacked and that others believe they should be
> the ones deciding your life.
>
> There was a message posted a little while ago that expressed the
> point-of-view of some religions or fanatics. I'm not sure how one
> person is the spokesperson for these religions or that that one
> person should be speaking for all those belonging to those
> religions. Like all the decisions in our life, yes, they are based
> on faith, but are also conscienscious, independent and free-thinking
> decisions, much like our decision to unschool for countless reasons.
>
> This is a heated topic and all who broach it know this. This topic
> should not entitle others to vehemently critize each other. If it
> was my place, I would apologize to those of you who have been
> offended, obstructed or treated in a violent way when going to
> procure an abortion. Just as, if it was my place, I would apologize
> to the women who have chosen abortion and have suffered the sometimes
> painful consequences of it.
>
> Chris
> Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> March!!!
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall" <tn-
> k4of5@i...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I find that pro-lifers aren't the ones cramming "choice" down
> other
> > >people's throats and are not the ones who falsely make claims
> about
> > >how "choice" helps humanity
> >
> > ... does anybody realize that if you are pro-life, pro-natural
> family
> > >planning, pro-God's will & the faith to do His will, that you are
> > >under constant attack by "pro-choicers"?
> > ......we don't go around shoving our beliefs down other
> > >people's throats and we don't try to "convince" others to follow
> our
> > >beliefs. We do live out a testimony to our beliefs and find it
> > >absolutely amazing that so many people are offended by our "pro-
> life" >attitude and have the nerve to try to shove their opinions
> down our >throats.
> >
> > >Chris
> > >Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> > >March!!!!
> >
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > First of all, congratulations on your impending arrival, my borther
> and his wife just had a new baby two weeks ago. Very exciting for
> everyone, especially their two daughters.
> >
> > I just had to comment on the above. The Pro-Life advocates ARE
> VERY vocal and insistent about their beliefs and surely DO shove them
> down the throats of others. By your use of "we" I must assume you
> are talking about your own family and your personal beliefs, because
> the Pro-life movement is absolutely merciless.
> >
> > Pro-Life supporters picket clinics and shout obsceneties at
> pregnant women, without knowing anything about their personal
> circumstances or what brought them to the excruciating decision to
> termiante a pregnancy. The wave signs and banners with slurs and
> condemnations on them, they block entrance to clinics. The lunatic
> fringe of this movement has shot and killed people over
> their "Defense of Life." I am baffled as to why you would feel
> indignant that others would find some of the behavior of the Pro-Life
> movement and their campaigns to be intrusive and abusive.
> >
> > I am sorry that you have had to endure the shameful behavior of
> others who try to judge your lifestyle. I believe you when you say
> you are attacked for your decision to live your lives in a way that
> upholds your spiritual beliefs. I get attacked for doing the very
> same thing. But remember all the hatred and nastiness that has been
> flung from both sides of this issue, before you cry out injustice
> over the accusations made against any one side. This debate is a
> heated one wherever it springs up because, like religion, it is a
> deeply emotional issue for those involved.
> >
> > Nanci K.
> > Just wanted to point out what I thought was a mistaken statement,
> not debating or starting a fight.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:10:06 -0000
> From: cmas100@...
> Subject: Re: pro-life
>
> Nanci,
>
> Thank you for your response and for helping to make something clear.
> You are correct in thinking that "we" does mean my husband and me.
> I'd also like to thank you for understanding the nature of the post;
> there are people who have their beliefs and do their best to lives
> them out, whether it's based on spirituality or not.
>
> I'll also thank you for seeing that people on the "other side" of the
> pro-choice issue are attacked and that others believe they should be
> the ones deciding your life.
>
> There was a message posted a little while ago that expressed the
> point-of-view of some religions or fanatics. I'm not sure how one
> person is the spokesperson for these religions or that that one
> person should be speaking for all those belonging to those
> religions. Like all the decisions in our life, yes, they are based
> on faith, but are also conscienscious, independent and free-thinking
> decisions, much like our decision to unschool for countless reasons.
>
> This is a heated topic and all who broach it know this. This topic
> should not entitle others to vehemently critize each other. If it
> was my place, I would apologize to those of you who have been
> offended, obstructed or treated in a violent way when going to
> procure an abortion. Just as, if it was my place, I would apologize
> to the women who have chosen abortion and have suffered the sometimes
> painful consequences of it.
>
> Chris
> Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> March!!!
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall" <tn-
> k4of5@i...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I find that pro-lifers aren't the ones cramming "choice" down
> other
> > >people's throats and are not the ones who falsely make claims
> about
> > >how "choice" helps humanity
> >
> > ... does anybody realize that if you are pro-life, pro-natural
> family
> > >planning, pro-God's will & the faith to do His will, that you are
> > >under constant attack by "pro-choicers"?
> > ......we don't go around shoving our beliefs down other
> > >people's throats and we don't try to "convince" others to follow
> our
> > >beliefs. We do live out a testimony to our beliefs and find it
> > >absolutely amazing that so many people are offended by our "pro-
> life" >attitude and have the nerve to try to shove their opinions
> down our >throats.
> >
> > >Chris
> > >Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> > >March!!!!
> >
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > First of all, congratulations on your impending arrival, my borther
> and his wife just had a new baby two weeks ago. Very exciting for
> everyone, especially their two daughters.
> >
> > I just had to comment on the above. The Pro-Life advocates ARE
> VERY vocal and insistent about their beliefs and surely DO shove them
> down the throats of others. By your use of "we" I must assume you
> are talking about your own family and your personal beliefs, because
> the Pro-life movement is absolutely merciless.
> >
> > Pro-Life supporters picket clinics and shout obsceneties at
> pregnant women, without knowing anything about their personal
> circumstances or what brought them to the excruciating decision to
> termiante a pregnancy. The wave signs and banners with slurs and
> condemnations on them, they block entrance to clinics. The lunatic
> fringe of this movement has shot and killed people over
> their "Defense of Life." I am baffled as to why you would feel
> indignant that others would find some of the behavior of the Pro-Life
> movement and their campaigns to be intrusive and abusive.
> >
> > I am sorry that you have had to endure the shameful behavior of
> others who try to judge your lifestyle. I believe you when you say
> you are attacked for your decision to live your lives in a way that
> upholds your spiritual beliefs. I get attacked for doing the very
> same thing. But remember all the hatred and nastiness that has been
> flung from both sides of this issue, before you cry out injustice
> over the accusations made against any one side. This debate is a
> heated one wherever it springs up because, like religion, it is a
> deeply emotional issue for those involved.
> >
> > Nanci K.
> > Just wanted to point out what I thought was a mistaken statement,
> not debating or starting a fight.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> today!
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:13:31 EST
> From: ChipandLaura@...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 960
>
> In a message dated 1/30/01 7:24:01 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> > No, from their point of view to adopt a "to each his own" attitude would
be
> > to condemn non-believers to hell. They NEED to try to convert others.
> > Jesus
> > commanded it. They're not trying to be obnoxious, they're trying to
show
> > us
> > the one true way to live forever in joy. I'm serious.
>
> Sandra..
> Please don't make such a generalization. I'm Christian and I think for
myself
> and I know others can think for themselves, too.
> If you hit an overbearing, over zealot lot of Christians, I'm sorry.
> But please don't think you are describing Christian beliefs here... I hate
> to think that some non- christian people are going to take your statements
> as fact for ALL Christians.
>
> (I read this after sending my last post.. or I would have put this in
there)
>
> Laura
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:14:44 EST
> From: androdite@...
> Subject: Answering Vic'c intro...
>
> My name is Lhiza...I currently live in Washington state...but I am a
> traveling nurse...so I travel around the US working in different
> hospitals...My family is in Az and I want to go back there when my oldest
is
> 16...I decided to travel when I realised that me and the boys could see
the
> united states and I can still get paid for it...so far it is turning out
to
> be an awesome educational experience...
>
> For question 1.
> I don't know how I am tied into every other homeschooler...except that I
feel
> very strongly about my beleifs that me to choose homeschooling and
> subsequently unschooling. It seems that from all the strong voices I see
in
> these posts...everyone here on this list also feel strongly about what
brings
> them to thier choices. Being a single parent and having to have a full
time
> job...they spend enough time away from me as it is...I don't want to send
> them to PS for another 8 hours. I also feel that the ps system is
breaking
> down...to many parents trust that system to take care of their kids and
> teachers are not paid enough to go thru what they have to with on a daily
> basis in ps classrooms...So I am jealous of thier time away from me, I
don't
> trust the environment provided in ps's, I don't trust a culture where
their
> role models are not adults but other kids...I don't like the whole-gotta
be
> popular or fit into a group mentality that ps breeds in the kids...I
really
> believe that their education is my responsibility...and I feel I know more
> about who they are now than I did before I took them out of ps...I can go
on
> and on...for us we are living a wonderful adventure filled life that I
don't
> allow the ills of society to intrude. They will have plenty of time to
deal
> with those ills when they grow up...now is my time with them...
>
> For Question 2...
> 90% of my discipline is what I call...on the wall...when they get out of
> line...(and this is anywhere we happen to be when they get out of
> line)...they have to stand on the wall...sort of like in a corner...but
they
> have to keep their hands raised above thier heads...sort of like time-out
in
> that they are only 'on the wall' for the minutes that equal their number
of
> years...once they have spent a minute or so on the wall...I start talking
to
> them about what put them on the wall...and they usually end up off the
wall
> as soon as they have verbalized why they ended up there and how they can
stay
> 'off the wall'...my sister always trys to say...You have to be on the wall
> for 30 minutes and she doesn't talk to them...so they end up uncomfortable
> for that long and it is more like punishment...I don't put a time on
it...I
> depend on more if they can learn how to keep off the wall...if they need
> quiet time...I give them an activity to do...if they are really grumpy and
> have a hard time getting along...then we all take a break...maybe take a
> nap...read a book...usually something relaxing...maybe watch some tv...if
> they are rowdy...then we leave the house...they probably have cabin
fever...I
> have rules and expectations...they get fired if they blow off their chores
> and have to earn thier allowance back...etc etc...it works for us...there
is
> alot of respect between the three of us...I have no problems telling them
> what I need from them and they have no problems helping me out...
>
> Question 4
> We sought out 4H...and one of my best friends...Carrie...also homeschools
her
> three kids and was homeschooled...so she is a great support...I am hoping
> that as we travel the US...we will get to meet many different hs'ers and
> uns'ers...and I am working on getting involved with church...that is the
> hardest cuz I am very eclectic in my spirituality...Christians only want
to
> know about my experience with Jesus and pagans only want to know what
> magickal tradition I follow...I feel that all paths have something
important
> to teach and I don't want to be closed to any particular one...
>
> I can't speak for anyone else...but my goals is to teach my kids that as a
> family...we are a team...and we are connected...I hope that they will move
> into adulthood with a sense that they have a responsibility to help our
world
> change and grow...and mostly I want us to have fun and a zest for
life...it
> seems that too many kids are unhappy with their lot...I hope that our
family
> structure keeps unhappiness at bay...
>
> Lhiza, Scotti (10) and Kevyn (8)
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:36:50 -0000
> From: cmas100@...
> Subject: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
>
> I'll say it again - thank you, Candice, for interpreting the "we" for
> what it is. And no, there isn't another person on the message board
> who knows me or my family personally (or least that I know of).
>
> I am a self-titled "pro-lifer" and there is no denial about what some
> people in this group do. Just as I would believe that a "pro-
> choicer" doesn't want to be considered a baby-killer just because
> they believe in choice or what others are paid to do under the
> title "abortion".
>
> So, no, I do not blow up abortion clinics or kill abortionists. I do
> not condone that behavior (my logic & heart says that would not be
> respecting life very much, would it?). I personally do not believe
> that every black person who was part of the civil rights movement was
> a militant activist or that I am either just because I believe in
> civil rights. Just as those who have committed unspeakable acts
> against humanity in the name of their beliefs toward the government
> are speaking or acting for me in anyway.
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Laura M" <lauramatec@h...> wrote:
> > Candice,
> >
> > This is a direct quote from her post...
> >
> > That strikes me as
> > ironic since we don't go around shoving our beliefs down other
> > people's throats and we don't try to "convince" others to follow our
> > beliefs.
> >
> > She is the one who said "we" to begin with, including herself with
> the
> > pro-lifers. She cannot say that she is a part of a group and then
> say that
> > said group doesn't do things that we all know they do. No, I don't
> know her
> > personally, but I do know the deeds of the group that she includes
> herself
> > in.
> >
> > Laura
> >
> > >From: czuniga145@a...
> > >Reply-To: Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> > >To: Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:58:29 EST
> > >
> > >In a message dated 1/30/01 5:17:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > >lauramatec@h... writes:
> > >
> > ><< OH, BUT YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!! >>
> > >
> > >Do you know this woman personally?
> > >
> > >candice
> >
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:43:46 +1300
> From: Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
> Subject: raising dogs & pro-life
>
> Sandra wrote:
>
> > Those homeschoolers sometimes cannot fathom why others would homeschool.
>
> I actually have been asked a couple of times, by bewildered christians:
> "But why on earth would you want to homeschool if you aren't a christian?"
How
> insulting! Or is it just *sad*?
>
> > We're not all doing the same thing.
>
> Well, thank goodness someone understands that <g> Just wish you could get
it
> across to the rest of the world, Sandra :-)
>
> Carol
>
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:45:24 -0000
> From: cmas100@...
> Subject: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
>
> Susan,
>
> Very well put!! I hope that you do not regret your post or your
> comments and that the responses you get do not personally attack you
> or your beliefs or your Catholicism.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chris
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Susan " <seaf@e...> wrote:
> >
> > I just have to respond, and I will probably regret
> > it. I am a practicing Catholic and many of my closet friends, both
> > spiritually and neighborly are baptists. Do I support the radical
> pro-life
> > movement that burns clinics and kills people? Of course not, and
> I'd be
> > hard pressed to name one person in my parish of well over a
> thousand families
> > who would support that kind of violence. In fact, I'd be hard
> pressed to
> > find a single person in my parish who would consider any other
> person of any
> > religion "evil." In fact, our priests regularly use protestant
> Christians
> > and members of other faiths as examples of holy life.
> >
> >
> >
> > While I certainly know from personal experience that
> > some people of faith aren't tolerant, I am quite reluctant to group
> everyone
> > together. If anyone wants a generalization of Catholicism that
> works
> > for me, it is that we believe that Christ came to redeem the world--
> and at some
> > point everyone will be redeemed. Do I understand how that will
> work?
> > Of course not, and I really don't want to know. But do I believe
> that if
> > Christ would die to redeem the world-- every single person with
> every single
> > idiosyncrasy, can I condemn anyone? I think not.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sometimes people who are part of the radical fringe are
> > just that--radically unbalanced. Probably whatever group gave them
> some
> > acceptance would be the beneficiary of their unbalanced sense of
> > allegiance. I love life, and that will cause me to get involved
> and help
> > anyone I can to live a full life--old person, sick person, lonely
> person,
> > condemned person, unborn person. Yet, I could never take it upon
> myself to
> > judge and condemn another's actions.
> >
> >
> >
> > But please, don't take the old shibboleths and give
> > them new life. I don't hate anyone, am not a "fundamentalist",
> unless you
> > mean I fundamentally believe God loves us all and we should strive
> to do the
> > same.....Susan---wife of one, mother of three, caretaker of
> multiple four legged
> > friends, friend to many...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From:
> >
> > To: Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> >
> > Sent: 01/30/2001 6:03:08 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:
> > raising dogs pro-life
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Not right. Duty.
> >
> > I've been a fundamentalist Christian, and I honestly understand
> their drive
> >
> >
> > to proselytize and to help prevent sin.
> >
> >
> >
> > And naturally, the Catholics and the Baptists see one another as
> > part of the
> >
> > Satanic evil.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- seaf@e...
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:22:12 EST
> From: unschoolr2@...
> Subject: Say... How bout them Blazers Huh?
>
> Anyone wanna talk sports???
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:22:23 -0600
> From: "Annette Naake" <naake1999@...>
> Subject: messy vs. disorganized
>
>
>
> My house is a mess most of the time, which I wouldn't really care about,
> except it seems we lose stuff in the mess, and then other stuff becomes
> useless.
>
> For instance, we have lost chess pieces, some playing cards, Mancala
pieces,
> parts of Transformers, crucial cards in a board game, dice, etc. Games
seem
> to be particular victims of this syndrome. All you have to lose is one or
> two things out of a game and it becomes a lot less fun, if not impossible,
> to play. The pieces get scattered around then the games are no good. This
is
> the downside of a messy house as far as I'm concerned. (We also lose
bigger
> things like books, reading glasses, remote controls and toys, but at least
> they seem to show up eventually.)
>
> Perhaps other people are better than I am at getting their kids to put
away
> their games when they decide to do something else ("when they are finished
> with them" would be misleading, since they're always quitting halfway
> through and running off without a glance backward). You would think that
> after having puzzles, games, models and other items with small pieces
> rendered unusable because parts had been lost, that they'd be more
> conscientious, but nooooo. They don't waste much time regretting that
their
> games and puzzles are ruined, but I'm sorry about it because I think those
> things offer valuable learning experiences (plus they cost money, after
> all).
>
> My boys are 8 and 4.
>
> By the way, I have been on this list for a long time, and reading
> everything, but lurking a lot lately.
>
> Annette
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:31:19 EST
> From: louisaem@...
> Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
>
> In a message dated 1/30/01 6:01:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> SandraDodd@... writes:
>
> << I was also serious when I expressed amusement that in the very same
week
> birth control clinics are condemned but dog breeding is condemned too.
NO
> more dogs; LOTS more people. But it wasn't logic, it was religion, and I
> forgot that for a second. >>
>
> Not totally correct either. Not all pro-life views include a ban on birth
> control. The belief is that the unborn is already fully human and thus it
is
> not a promotion of more humans but the same right to life as those already
> born. Many people who embrace a pro-life view are in favor of and
practice
> birth control, usually those methods which prevent fertilization rather
than
> implantation.
>
> Kris
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:14:52 -0600
> From: "Cindy L." <clappin@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
>
>
> > So, if my husband and I want to have several children, it's supposed
> > to be o.k. for everyone to share with us their opinions regarding
> > sterilization, birth control and abortion, yet we are not supposed to
> > share our belief in procreation? Again, I do not understand how that
> > can be.
> >
> > > Chris
> > Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> > March!!!
>
> Chris,
>
> Personally I just think some people are thoughtless, and therefore often
> offend others, whether they intend to or not. I don't think the people
who
> question your family size are really coming from a pro-choice stance, I
> think they're just obnoxious people who probably think everyone should be
> just like them. I face the same criticism, but in reverse, we have one
> child, and we have no plans for more. I am always amazed by the nerve of
> people who tell us how unfair we are, how selfish we are not to provide
our
> son with his own little sibling playmate. I refuse to explain to any of
> them why we have an only child, there is no way to win this conversation,
> just as there is no way to win an argument on abortion. These are issues
> that people have already made up their minds on, and too often there is no
> tolerance nor understanding of anyone who may have a different opinion
> (usually due to having a different life experience). So congratulations
on
> the new baby, and I wish you & your family continued joy & happiness.
>
> Cindy L.
>
> BTW- I am non-religious, with deeply held spiritual beliefs. I am
> adamantly pro-choice. I use natural family planning. My pregnancy was
> unplanned, and seemingly inconvenient- I took it as a profound gift, and I
> never once considered any other option than giving birth, I never had an
> ultrasound even though I was in my late 30's at the time- I have never had
> such a sense of 'faith' as I did with my pregnancy. I go by my intuition.
> I understand that other people are guided (or not) by their own intuition,
> or beliefs. I try my best not to judge the choices that other people
> make...... Just to explain where I'm coming from. (I also understand that
> many people think I'm just flaky, that's ok, too.)
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:21:21 -0600
> From: "Vicki A. Dennis" <mamaxaos@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <louisaem@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: raising dogs & pro-life
>
>
> > Many people who embrace a pro-life view are in favor of and practice
> > birth control, usually those methods which prevent fertilization rather
than
> > implantation.
> >
> > Kris
> >
>
> Something I have wondered for years.............what is the "official"
> pro-life view on how to proceed when a tubal pregnancy is discovered?
>
> And I will go ahead and expose myself here......once I had borne a child I
do
> not know that I would be capable of choosing abortion for myself even
under
> extreme circumstances (but who can say for sure how one would proceed
when
> faced with reality instead of "if it were me"). I am adamantly
> pro-choice----whether it be choice concerning elective sterilization
(instead of
> coerced after 1 healthy child for some races and incomes and denied for
others
> who seek it); choice of practicing reasonably safe means of family
planning;
> choice of attending a particular church or no church; choice to conceive a
child
> even if life partner is infertile; choice of means of education for self
or
> family; and yes, personal choice concerning whether to carry a
particular
> pregnancy into viability. I believe I can only claim to support
choice if
> I acknowledge that my choice might well differ from someone else's.
>
> Vicki
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:44:02 EST
> From: discovery6@...
> Subject: Re: Say... How bout them Blazers Huh?
>
> I think I started an email monster and I sure did not mean too.
>
> On the unschooling front.... it is cold here, icy and cold. My boys have
been
> busy reading about a certain subject and when they need a break they then
> draw the subjects. (I would rather not say what it is as I may start
another
> argument! ) It is neat how when an interest is fired kids will really go
with
> it. The girls have been playing their horns (sax and clarinet) and working
on
> their various interests. One is learning Japanese ( karate triggered) and
the
> other has been working with the microscope. (science geek) Funny how being
> housebound changes things. Last week, when we were enjoying warm weather,
> they were outside working on projects there. (My oldest is determined on
> raising the finest blackberries on earth and she has been working and
> studying on that. The other three have been working with the you know
whats.)
> It was a nice break this evening to get out of the house and take the
girls
> to karate. It is a 35 mile drive and it was snowing pretty hard, yet we
> plowed through mud to get to the highway. Weirdest weather. The boys
prowled
> through the adult section at the library, they love non-fiction, while the
> girls were in class. Now we are home again and I see my email I wonder
what
> has happened. And it is all because my kids bought puppies.
>
> I hope everyone had a fun day too.
> Oh and I forgot, we also played several rousting games of eye-popping
bubbu.
> I wish we had a big house like Sandra though, then it would have been much
> more fun!
> :)
>
>
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In a message dated 1/31/01 7:54:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kkibort@... writes:
<< Would you agree that boys have something inside them
that makes them agressive and rowdy that most girls
just dont have. >>
Not in my family. My girls are plenty rowdy! In some ways they are more
agressive than their brother.
kkibort@... writes:
<< Would you agree that boys have something inside them
that makes them agressive and rowdy that most girls
just dont have. >>
Not in my family. My girls are plenty rowdy! In some ways they are more
agressive than their brother.
[email protected]
In a message dated 01/31/2001 6:54:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Zahmiller@... writes:
<< Why was I so thrilled - well, because like all of you (except maybe
Sandra) I
have moments of self-doubt and it was very affirming to me that even though
I
know in my heart he is learning and doing so amazing great out of ps - i got
to see it in black and white.
I guess that is not a very "unschooling" thing to admit - however, i am
being
truthful! And, it truly helps to affirm my resolve to continue to unschool!
Thanks for listening - Dawn >>
I love when things like that happen! At times I like to see things in black
and white too!
Teri
Zahmiller@... writes:
<< Why was I so thrilled - well, because like all of you (except maybe
Sandra) I
have moments of self-doubt and it was very affirming to me that even though
I
know in my heart he is learning and doing so amazing great out of ps - i got
to see it in black and white.
I guess that is not a very "unschooling" thing to admit - however, i am
being
truthful! And, it truly helps to affirm my resolve to continue to unschool!
Thanks for listening - Dawn >>
I love when things like that happen! At times I like to see things in black
and white too!
Teri
[email protected]
In a message dated 01/31/2001 3:54:54 PM !!!First Boot!!!, kkibort@...
writes:
LOL -- I know -- who knows how their minds work.
But since I am at home the most with one boy and one girl -- part of it must
be me and my reactions and expectations too.
Nance
writes:
. I feel like I live on a new planet!
Kerry
LOL -- I know -- who knows how their minds work.
But since I am at home the most with one boy and one girl -- part of it must
be me and my reactions and expectations too.
Nance
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/30/01 11:18:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
discovery6@... writes:
<< On the unschooling front.... it is cold here, icy and cold. My boys have
been
busy reading about a certain subject and when they need a break they then
draw the subjects. (I would rather not say what it is as I may start another
argument! ) >>
How did we get to this point?!?!?!
Sounds like your kids are having fun learning. Pardon my ignorance, but what
is eye popping bubbu?
candice
discovery6@... writes:
<< On the unschooling front.... it is cold here, icy and cold. My boys have
been
busy reading about a certain subject and when they need a break they then
draw the subjects. (I would rather not say what it is as I may start another
argument! ) >>
How did we get to this point?!?!?!
Sounds like your kids are having fun learning. Pardon my ignorance, but what
is eye popping bubbu?
candice
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/31/2001 9:59:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
unschoolr2@... writes:
Teri, Thank you so much again! It really makes me feel good when someone
else "gets it"!!!
Dawn
unschoolr2@... writes:
I love when things like that happen! At times I like to see things in black
and white too!
Teri, Thank you so much again! It really makes me feel good when someone
else "gets it"!!!
Dawn
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/31/1 12:09:33 PM, adarl52357@... writes:
<<Not in my family. My girls are plenty rowdy! In some ways they are more
agressive than their brother.
Vic
<<Not in my family. My girls are plenty rowdy! In some ways they are more
agressive than their brother.
>>My daughter's pretty rowdy, herself! More so than alot of boys I've seen.
Vic
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In a message dated 1/31/01 9:02:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Subject: Re: Sports
Anyone wanna talk sports???
hubby he never watched hockey. I turned him on to it! I always had the
Flyers on when I was studying or nothing else was on and now HE has become
the addict!! And it is TOTALLY FLYERS....our basement is partially finished
and commonly referred to as "Daddy's Playroom" and the whole theme is sports
but a LARGE part of the theme is hockey!! My dh got sooo into the sport he
actually bought all the equipment (2nd hand) and took 2 sets of lessons...it
was the funniest thing I ever watched! I was very pregnant during the summer
of '97 and thoroughly enjoyed the freezing cold temperatures in the arena and
getting a good laugh for an hour was another bonus!!
Thanks for bringing up those memories!!
Michelle &dh in DE -- the Philadelphia fans!
[email protected] writes:
<< Subject: Re: Sports
Anyone wanna talk sports???
>>Kerry -- Hockey is our life during the season...funny thing is when I met my
hubby he never watched hockey. I turned him on to it! I always had the
Flyers on when I was studying or nothing else was on and now HE has become
the addict!! And it is TOTALLY FLYERS....our basement is partially finished
and commonly referred to as "Daddy's Playroom" and the whole theme is sports
but a LARGE part of the theme is hockey!! My dh got sooo into the sport he
actually bought all the equipment (2nd hand) and took 2 sets of lessons...it
was the funniest thing I ever watched! I was very pregnant during the summer
of '97 and thoroughly enjoyed the freezing cold temperatures in the arena and
getting a good laugh for an hour was another bonus!!
Thanks for bringing up those memories!!
Michelle &dh in DE -- the Philadelphia fans!
Tami Labig-Duquette
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>From: "Janet Hamlin" <moblpetvet@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Say... How bout them Blazers Huh?
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:06:01 -0500
>
>How do those of you that work work out your schedules? Do you work from
>home? at night? dh stays home? Lately we have had so much going on in our
>lives other than homeschooling and I am feeling a personal need to join the
>workforce and be productive. Staying at home is boring me to tears lately
>but daycare is not an option for my son (health problems) and school is not
>an option for my daughter (all that ps socialization crap). I'm just not
>sure how I can work it out. Any thoughts?
>
>Janet
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:44 AM
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 961
>
>
> >
> > Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
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> >
> > There are 25 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Re: Introduction
> > From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>
> > 2. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>
> > 3. Re: off topic?
> > From: "Elizabeth Hill" <ecsamhill@...>
> > 4. Re: Introduction
> > From: Cory and Amy Nelson <amynelson3@...>
> > 5. borax and the environment
> > From: megates@...
> > 6. Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > From: cmas100@...
> > 7. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > From: "Laura M" <lauramatec@...>
> > 8. Re: off topic?
> > From: dawn <dawn@...>
> > 9. Re: ridgeback rescue
> > From: Cindy Ferguson <crma@...>
> > 10. Re: Digest Number 960
> > From: ChipandLaura@...
> > 11. Re: Re: Tetris
> > From: "Tami Labig-Duquette" <labigduquette@...>
> > 12. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > From: "Susan " <seaf@...>
> > 13. Re: pro-life
> > From: cmas100@...
> > 14. Re: pro-life
> > From: cmas100@...
> > 15. Re: Digest Number 960
> > From: ChipandLaura@...
> > 16. Answering Vic'c intro...
> > From: androdite@...
> > 17. Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > From: cmas100@...
> > 18. raising dogs & pro-life
> > From: Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
> > 19. Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > From: cmas100@...
> > 20. Say... How bout them Blazers Huh?
> > From: unschoolr2@...
> > 21. messy vs. disorganized
> > From: "Annette Naake" <naake1999@...>
> > 22. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > From: louisaem@...
> > 23. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > From: "Cindy L." <clappin@...>
> > 24. Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > From: "Vicki A. Dennis" <mamaxaos@...>
> > 25. Re: Say... How bout them Blazers Huh?
> > From: discovery6@...
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:58:59 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>
> > Subject: Re: Introduction
> >
> > 3. Does anyone on this list live on Grand Bahama?
> >
> > Only in my dreams........ I'm reclined on a chair----
> > here somes a beautiful man with a frozen drink.....Oh,
> > he brought a leaf to fan me......
> > Oh, sh*t, I smell a poopy diaper----- there goes
> > paradise.
> > :)Kerry
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:07:33 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>
> > Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> >
> > So I understand it in Christian terms, but I don't
> > like to keep on seeing it
> > in homeschooling discussions.
> >
> > Wait! What about the eduaction we are getting out of
> > this intellegent discussion on abortion and dog
> > breeding?<gggg>
> > Sorry, I couldnt resist. First Jesus, now this.
> > Kerry, your cousin and possibly also a monkey
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: 30 Jan 2001 07:26:06 +0000
> > From: "Elizabeth Hill" <ecsamhill@...>
> > Subject: Re: off topic?
> >
> > >I believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and a beautiful example of
>how
> > >one should try to live one's life.
> >
> > I'm just a born skeptic and am unable to believe anything that seems
> > magical or unscientific to me.
> >
> > SO... I believe Jesus Christ was the son of man AND a beautiful example
>of
> > how one should try to live one's life.
> >
> > In some ways, we're not so far apart. :-)
> >
> > Betsy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:18:02 -0600
> > From: Cory and Amy Nelson <amynelson3@...>
> > Subject: Re: Introduction
> >
> > Welcome Vic!
> >
> > I'm Amy, 24, SAHM to 19-month-old Accalia Grace. We live in snowy South
> > Dakota (just got 20 inches today).
> >
> > > 1. What ties us all together as unschoolers? What is the notivation
>behind
> > > it all for everyone?
> >
> > My motivation for unschooling is simply that it continues to respect
>Accalia
> > individuality as she grows. That's why I practice attachment parenting
>and
> > that's what drew me to unschooling.
> > >
> > > 2. What does everyone do for discipline when it's needed?
> >
> > Truthfully we haven't had to do much "discipline" around here. Accalia's
> > getting past the point where distraction always works, but so far I've
>found
> > that she responds quite well to me explaining my reasoning and helping
>her
> > to express her feelings of frustration, anger, sadness, etc. I know this
> > won't be as easy as she gets older, but we'll take it one day at a time
>:).
> > I guess you could say we use gentle and positive discipline. I take a
>lot
>of
> > my ideas from The Discipline Book by Sears. I do not use violence in any
>way
> > - no spanking, no yelling. And I'm not too excited about timeouts as so
>many
> > people seem to use them to punish.
> >
> > > 4. If there are no uns/hs families around your area, what types of
>people do
> > > you like to hang out with/seek out? The types of people that you find
>the
> > > most rewarding for your family.
> >
> > Since Accalia is still so young, I'm not actively seeking out uns/hs
> > families. I'm not sure I'd be very successful in this area either. I do
> > have friends with children close in age to Accalia who follow the same
> > parenting principles I do. Those parents are who I spend most of my
>social
> > time with.
> >
> > > What really are the most important goals for us all?
> >
> > My goals for Accalia is that she will be happy with who she is, never
>afraid
> > to learn more or search for the answers and for her to know that she can
> > always rely on her family.
> >
> > Amy
> > Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
> > "The hardest to learn was the least complicated" -Indigo Girls
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:09:02 -0800
> > From: megates@...
> > Subject: borax and the environment
> >
> > I found this link on the http://simpleliving.net
> > I don't know if this book is in the library, but it sounded helpful in
> > making choices.
> > Mary Ellen
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> > New Year's Resolutions are EASY for Babies!
> > <Hi and Lois>
> >
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> >
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> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:38:40 -0000
> > From: cmas100@...
> > Subject: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> >
> > I'm sure that it is known that the laws favor abortion in the U.S.,
> > and that people who believed that abortion should be legal had to
> > push their beliefs onto others or in the public eye to get the laws
> > changed in the first place.
> >
> > I'm also sure that reasonable people, regardless of your belief on
> > the subject, know that most people who respect life do not protest in
> > a violent manner. Unfortunately, no matter what cause is being taken
> > up by the people, there are some radicals. This is true with women's
> > rights, minority's rights, government protestors, as well as people
> > on both sides of abortion. What constitutes violence is obviously an
> > opinion here since photos of tiny feet or movies depicting the
> > reality of what abortion is have to come from somewhere. In my
> > opinion, a violent act had to take place in order for there to be
> > mutilated body parts. Do people really want to see these images? I
> > personally don't, but that doesn't hide the fact that these acts are
> > taking place and we call it "abortion" and it's supposed to be o.k.
> >
> > Since I was responding to a comment made, "...that they can have an
> > entirely horrible life of abuse and deprivation is pooh-poohed by
> > right-wing Christians in comfortable homes who don't let their
> > children associate with the very people whose reproductive rights
> > they want to control.", I'm wondering why it is alright to voice this
> > strong and not necessarily accurate view, yet it seems so offensive
> > to some that my view is pro-life. Did I place judgement or call "pro-
> > choicers" anything but that? Am I responding to left-wing Atheists?
> > Did I tell anyone that their opinion is "the lamest bunch of nonsense
> > I've seen in a long time."?
> >
> > >>Do you think that you have some "God Given" right to shove your
> > beliefs down our throats, while we have no rights since we don't all
> > prescribe to the rules of your god. This seems totally unfair and
> > hypocrital of you.<<
> >
> > And rights? Someone felt that they had the "right" to label and make
> > clear their "pro-choice" beliefs, whether I wanted to read it or
> > not. But that's not shoving something down some of our throats? I
> > do believe that we all have the "right" to our opinion and free-will,
> > whether you "prescribe to the rules of my God" or not. Opinion and
> > free-will were expressed in the original post regarding abortion, yet
> > this is not unfair or hypocritical of that person. I do not
> > understand how that can be.
> >
> > I'd also like to say that my original intention was not to offend the
> > author or the other users on this site. I see that some of you have
> > no problem responding to this with the intention to offend. I also
> > know that your beliefs certainly won't be changed by my posts.
> >
> > So, if my husband and I want to have several children, it's supposed
> > to be o.k. for everyone to share with us their opinions regarding
> > sterilization, birth control and abortion, yet we are not supposed to
> > share our belief in procreation? Again, I do not understand how that
> > can be.
> >
> > It does sadden me to see how compassionate people can be toward the
> > animals killed daily in our country, but that same compassion does
> > not seem to spill over to the humans killed daily in our country.
> >
> > Chris
> > Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> > March!!!
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Debbie & K.C. Jones" <debj@c...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 01/30/01 3:38:30 PM, cmas100@h... writes:
> > > >
> > > > << That strikes me as
> > > > ironic since we don't go around shoving our beliefs down other
> > > > people's throats and we don't try to "convince" others to follow
> > our
> > > > beliefs. >>
> > > >
> > > > Not counting laws and abortion clinic protests (some violent),
> > and the movies
> > > > and photos of little feet.
> > >
> > > And when WAS the last time we saw 'pro-choice' protesters picketing
> > > outside a 'Wee Life' organization? Or trying to pass laws forcing
> > > 'pro-choice' upon others? I'm sorry.. I generally keep my views to
> > > myself, but this is the lamest bunch of nonsense I've seen in a long
> > > time. Deb (Mom to Cory 9 1/2 and Jesse 14 months)
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:50:43 -0500
> > From: "Laura M" <lauramatec@...>
> > Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> >
> > Candice,
> >
> > This is a direct quote from her post...
> >
> > That strikes me as
> > ironic since we don't go around shoving our beliefs down other
> > people's throats and we don't try to "convince" others to follow our
> > beliefs.
> >
> > She is the one who said "we" to begin with, including herself with the
> > pro-lifers. She cannot say that she is a part of a group and then say
>that
> > said group doesn't do things that we all know they do. No, I don't know
>her
> > personally, but I do know the deeds of the group that she includes
>herself
> > in.
> >
> > Laura
> >
> > >From: czuniga145@...
> > >Reply-To: [email protected]
> > >To: [email protected]
> > >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:58:29 EST
> > >
> > >In a message dated 1/30/01 5:17:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > >lauramatec@... writes:
> > >
> > ><< OH, BUT YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!! >>
> > >
> > >Do you know this woman personally?
> > >
> > >candice
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:52:28 -0800 (PST)
> > From: dawn <dawn@...>
> > Subject: Re: off topic?
> >
> > > >I believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and a beautiful example of
>how
> > > >one should try to live one's life.
> > >
> > > I'm just a born skeptic and am unable to believe anything that seems
> > > magical or unscientific to me.
> > >
> > > SO... I believe Jesus Christ was the son of man AND a beautiful
>example
>of
> > > how one should try to live one's life.
> > >
> > Perhaps I'm even more of a skeptic and I'm sure my son is. I just read
> > the two previous quotes to him to help him understand how he and his
>xian
> > friends maybe do share some common ground in that way, and he
>immediately
> > asked me, "Is there any evidence that Jesus ever existed?" I dont' know
> > the answer to that. Is there? OUtside of the Bible, that is.
> > dawn h-s
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:47:21 -0800
> > From: Cindy Ferguson <crma@...>
> > Subject: Re: ridgeback rescue
> >
> >
> > Cath wrote :
> > > There is a ridgeback rescue?? I have heard of the greyhound rescue but
>what
> > > is happening to ridgebacks that they need help?
> > >
> > I think most breeds have rescue programs now. It for abandoned dogs or
> > for people who for whatever reason cannot keep their dogs. I know here
> > in Northern CA they have arrangements with shelters to take the dogs
> > Reading about what happens to some of them is heartbreaking! My FIL
> > was looking into adopting one but then he decided to get a puppy. She
> > is a delight and is really keeping him young and active (he's 76). My
> > Ridgeback is 5.5; when my son gets a bit older we will get another one.
> > A 3 year old and a puppy just don't mix well! I really love these dogs!
> >
> > --
> >
> > Cindy Ferguson
> > crma@...
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:54:34 EST
> > From: ChipandLaura@...
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 960
> >
> >
> >
> > > Do you
> > > think that you have some "God Given" right to shove your beliefs down
>our
> > > throats, while we have no rights since we don't all prescribe to the
>rules
> > > of your god. This seems totally unfair and hypocrital of you.
> > >
> >
> > Wow. I think the poor woman was saying SHE does not, and unless she
>emailed
> > you and crammed her belief down your throat, you can't call her
>hypocritical.
> >
> > You know, I've been on here a couple of weeks.. I obviously don't fit in
>the
> > clique.
> > I've seen a few others that don't either. We newbies post an
>introduction
>and
> > are completely ignored and unwelcomed by everyone..
> > I thought mine didn't go thru the first time. I re posted. I was
>greeted
> > with
> > a "Yes, we saw it" and a belated "hello" from one nice person, and
>totally
> > ignored again by everyone else.
> >
> > At first, I thought this was neat.. there was actually discussions on
> > unschooling
> > going on. Now there is religion and politics. And before a bunch jump
>in
> > here to
> > say that unschooling encompasses all of these subjects.. I agree with
>that.
> > BUT, to ignore the unschooling posts because everyone is in fight mode..
> > I don't have time for that.
> >
> > I'm on digest form, to save time. This digest was nothing but one long
> > argument.
> > I can't simply delete the "hot" threads, as the message titles don't
>reflect
> > what's
> > inside, and they come all together with the good ones.
> > The ol' Delete button doesn't work so great under these circumstances, I
>have
> > to
> > scroll past all of this....
> >
> > So I think I will unsub... and that is kind of sad. I am Christian, but
>I
>am
> > open minded to all beliefs IF that belief calls you to a higher ground.
>I
> > respect anyone that has
> > a belief system that changes their behavior for the better.
> > I just am not seeing that here, I'm seeing people trying to drag each
>others
> > beliefs
> > thru the mud.... it's very sad and against every "religion" or belief
>system
> > of which I am aware.
> >
> > We have a LOT in common. We love our kids and give up a lot to stay
>with
>them
> > and make them the best people they can be. We share a controversial
>method
> > that
> > we KNOW works... people think we're nuts.. ;o)
> > I had hoped that this would be enough to sustain a group.
> >
> > I don't mean to preach and run.. I just needed to get it off my chest
>instead
> > of
> > just disappearing.
> >
> > All the best to everyone!
> > Laura
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:07:04 -0500
> > From: "Tami Labig-Duquette" <labigduquette@...>
> > Subject: Re: Re: Tetris
> >
> > I used to hun and whistle the Dr. Mario songs :)
> > I thought they were a cute little didy at the time.
> > Tami
> >
> >
> > >From: SandraDodd@...
> > >Reply-To: [email protected]
> > >To: [email protected]
> > >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Tetris
> > >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:43:15 EST
> > >
> > >
> > >In a message dated 01/29/01 7:54:25 PM, diamondair@...
>writes:
> > >
> > ><< There has been a lot of money expended in research to find
> > >more games that seem to reach the same place in women's minds as Tetris
> > >does. >>
> > >
> > >I like Dr. Mario and Kirby's Avalanche better because of the color
> > >component.
> >
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> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:10:52 -0800
> > From: "Susan " <seaf@...>
> > Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> >
> >
> > I just have to respond, and I will probably regret
> > it. I am a practicing Catholic and many of my closet friends, both
> > spiritually and neighborly are baptists. Do I support the radical
>pro-life
> > movement that burns clinics and kills people? Of course not, and I'd be
> > hard pressed to name one person in my parish of well over a thousand
>families
> > who would support that kind of violence. In fact, I'd be hard pressed
>to
> > find a single person in my parish who would consider any other person of
>any
> > religion "evil." In fact, our priests regularly use protestant
>Christians
> > and members of other faiths as examples of holy life.
> >
> >
> >
> > While I certainly know from personal experience that
> > some people of faith aren't tolerant, I am quite reluctant to group
>everyone
> > together. If anyone wants a generalization of Catholicism that works
> > for me, it is that we believe that Christ came to redeem the world--and
>at
>some
> > point everyone will be redeemed. Do I understand how that will work?
> > Of course not, and I really don't want to know. But do I believe that
>if
> > Christ would die to redeem the world-- every single person with every
>single
> > idiosyncrasy, can I condemn anyone? I think not.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sometimes people who are part of the radical fringe are
> > just that--radically unbalanced. Probably whatever group gave them some
> > acceptance would be the beneficiary of their unbalanced sense of
> > allegiance. I love life, and that will cause me to get involved and
>help
> > anyone I can to live a full life--old person, sick person, lonely
>person,
> > condemned person, unborn person. Yet, I could never take it upon myself
>to
> > judge and condemn another's actions.
> >
> >
> >
> > But please, don't take the old shibboleths and give
> > them new life. I don't hate anyone, am not a "fundamentalist", unless
>you
> > mean I fundamentally believe God loves us all and we should strive to do
>the
> > same.....Susan---wife of one, mother of three, caretaker of multiple
>four
>legged
> > friends, friend to many...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From:
> >
> > To: [email protected]
> >
> > Sent: 01/30/2001 6:03:08 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:
> > raising dogs pro-life
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Not right. Duty.
> >
> > I've been a fundamentalist Christian, and I honestly understand their
>drive
> >
> >
> > to proselytize and to help prevent sin.
> >
> >
> >
> > And naturally, the Catholics and the Baptists see one another as
> > part of the
> >
> > Satanic evil.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- seaf@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [This message contained attachments]
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:09:39 -0000
> > From: cmas100@...
> > Subject: Re: pro-life
> >
> > Nanci,
> >
> > Thank you for your response and for helping to make something clear.
> > You are correct in thinking that "we" does mean my husband and me.
> > I'd also like to thank you for understanding the nature of the post;
> > there are people who have their beliefs and do their best to lives
> > them out, whether it's based on spirituality or not.
> >
> > I'll also thank you for seeing that people on the "other side" of the
> > pro-choice issue are attacked and that others believe they should be
> > the ones deciding your life.
> >
> > There was a message posted a little while ago that expressed the
> > point-of-view of some religions or fanatics. I'm not sure how one
> > person is the spokesperson for these religions or that that one
> > person should be speaking for all those belonging to those
> > religions. Like all the decisions in our life, yes, they are based
> > on faith, but are also conscienscious, independent and free-thinking
> > decisions, much like our decision to unschool for countless reasons.
> >
> > This is a heated topic and all who broach it know this. This topic
> > should not entitle others to vehemently critize each other. If it
> > was my place, I would apologize to those of you who have been
> > offended, obstructed or treated in a violent way when going to
> > procure an abortion. Just as, if it was my place, I would apologize
> > to the women who have chosen abortion and have suffered the sometimes
> > painful consequences of it.
> >
> > Chris
> > Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> > March!!!
> >
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall" <tn-
> > k4of5@i...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >I find that pro-lifers aren't the ones cramming "choice" down
> > other
> > > >people's throats and are not the ones who falsely make claims
> > about
> > > >how "choice" helps humanity
> > >
> > > ... does anybody realize that if you are pro-life, pro-natural
> > family
> > > >planning, pro-God's will & the faith to do His will, that you are
> > > >under constant attack by "pro-choicers"?
> > > ......we don't go around shoving our beliefs down other
> > > >people's throats and we don't try to "convince" others to follow
> > our
> > > >beliefs. We do live out a testimony to our beliefs and find it
> > > >absolutely amazing that so many people are offended by our "pro-
> > life" >attitude and have the nerve to try to shove their opinions
> > down our >throats.
> > >
> > > >Chris
> > > >Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> > > >March!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > First of all, congratulations on your impending arrival, my borther
> > and his wife just had a new baby two weeks ago. Very exciting for
> > everyone, especially their two daughters.
> > >
> > > I just had to comment on the above. The Pro-Life advocates ARE
> > VERY vocal and insistent about their beliefs and surely DO shove them
> > down the throats of others. By your use of "we" I must assume you
> > are talking about your own family and your personal beliefs, because
> > the Pro-life movement is absolutely merciless.
> > >
> > > Pro-Life supporters picket clinics and shout obsceneties at
> > pregnant women, without knowing anything about their personal
> > circumstances or what brought them to the excruciating decision to
> > termiante a pregnancy. The wave signs and banners with slurs and
> > condemnations on them, they block entrance to clinics. The lunatic
> > fringe of this movement has shot and killed people over
> > their "Defense of Life." I am baffled as to why you would feel
> > indignant that others would find some of the behavior of the Pro-Life
> > movement and their campaigns to be intrusive and abusive.
> > >
> > > I am sorry that you have had to endure the shameful behavior of
> > others who try to judge your lifestyle. I believe you when you say
> > you are attacked for your decision to live your lives in a way that
> > upholds your spiritual beliefs. I get attacked for doing the very
> > same thing. But remember all the hatred and nastiness that has been
> > flung from both sides of this issue, before you cry out injustice
> > over the accusations made against any one side. This debate is a
> > heated one wherever it springs up because, like religion, it is a
> > deeply emotional issue for those involved.
> > >
> > > Nanci K.
> > > Just wanted to point out what I thought was a mistaken statement,
> > not debating or starting a fight.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:10:06 -0000
> > From: cmas100@...
> > Subject: Re: pro-life
> >
> > Nanci,
> >
> > Thank you for your response and for helping to make something clear.
> > You are correct in thinking that "we" does mean my husband and me.
> > I'd also like to thank you for understanding the nature of the post;
> > there are people who have their beliefs and do their best to lives
> > them out, whether it's based on spirituality or not.
> >
> > I'll also thank you for seeing that people on the "other side" of the
> > pro-choice issue are attacked and that others believe they should be
> > the ones deciding your life.
> >
> > There was a message posted a little while ago that expressed the
> > point-of-view of some religions or fanatics. I'm not sure how one
> > person is the spokesperson for these religions or that that one
> > person should be speaking for all those belonging to those
> > religions. Like all the decisions in our life, yes, they are based
> > on faith, but are also conscienscious, independent and free-thinking
> > decisions, much like our decision to unschool for countless reasons.
> >
> > This is a heated topic and all who broach it know this. This topic
> > should not entitle others to vehemently critize each other. If it
> > was my place, I would apologize to those of you who have been
> > offended, obstructed or treated in a violent way when going to
> > procure an abortion. Just as, if it was my place, I would apologize
> > to the women who have chosen abortion and have suffered the sometimes
> > painful consequences of it.
> >
> > Chris
> > Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> > March!!!
> >
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall" <tn-
> > k4of5@i...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >I find that pro-lifers aren't the ones cramming "choice" down
> > other
> > > >people's throats and are not the ones who falsely make claims
> > about
> > > >how "choice" helps humanity
> > >
> > > ... does anybody realize that if you are pro-life, pro-natural
> > family
> > > >planning, pro-God's will & the faith to do His will, that you are
> > > >under constant attack by "pro-choicers"?
> > > ......we don't go around shoving our beliefs down other
> > > >people's throats and we don't try to "convince" others to follow
> > our
> > > >beliefs. We do live out a testimony to our beliefs and find it
> > > >absolutely amazing that so many people are offended by our "pro-
> > life" >attitude and have the nerve to try to shove their opinions
> > down our >throats.
> > >
> > > >Chris
> > > >Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> > > >March!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > First of all, congratulations on your impending arrival, my borther
> > and his wife just had a new baby two weeks ago. Very exciting for
> > everyone, especially their two daughters.
> > >
> > > I just had to comment on the above. The Pro-Life advocates ARE
> > VERY vocal and insistent about their beliefs and surely DO shove them
> > down the throats of others. By your use of "we" I must assume you
> > are talking about your own family and your personal beliefs, because
> > the Pro-life movement is absolutely merciless.
> > >
> > > Pro-Life supporters picket clinics and shout obsceneties at
> > pregnant women, without knowing anything about their personal
> > circumstances or what brought them to the excruciating decision to
> > termiante a pregnancy. The wave signs and banners with slurs and
> > condemnations on them, they block entrance to clinics. The lunatic
> > fringe of this movement has shot and killed people over
> > their "Defense of Life." I am baffled as to why you would feel
> > indignant that others would find some of the behavior of the Pro-Life
> > movement and their campaigns to be intrusive and abusive.
> > >
> > > I am sorry that you have had to endure the shameful behavior of
> > others who try to judge your lifestyle. I believe you when you say
> > you are attacked for your decision to live your lives in a way that
> > upholds your spiritual beliefs. I get attacked for doing the very
> > same thing. But remember all the hatred and nastiness that has been
> > flung from both sides of this issue, before you cry out injustice
> > over the accusations made against any one side. This debate is a
> > heated one wherever it springs up because, like religion, it is a
> > deeply emotional issue for those involved.
> > >
> > > Nanci K.
> > > Just wanted to point out what I thought was a mistaken statement,
> > not debating or starting a fight.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:13:31 EST
> > From: ChipandLaura@...
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 960
> >
> > In a message dated 1/30/01 7:24:01 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> > [email protected] writes:
> >
> > > No, from their point of view to adopt a "to each his own" attitude
>would
>be
> > > to condemn non-believers to hell. They NEED to try to convert
>others.
> > > Jesus
> > > commanded it. They're not trying to be obnoxious, they're trying to
>show
> > > us
> > > the one true way to live forever in joy. I'm serious.
> >
> > Sandra..
> > Please don't make such a generalization. I'm Christian and I think for
>myself
> > and I know others can think for themselves, too.
> > If you hit an overbearing, over zealot lot of Christians, I'm sorry.
> > But please don't think you are describing Christian beliefs here... I
>hate
> > to think that some non- christian people are going to take your
>statements
> > as fact for ALL Christians.
> >
> > (I read this after sending my last post.. or I would have put this in
>there)
> >
> > Laura
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 16
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:14:44 EST
> > From: androdite@...
> > Subject: Answering Vic'c intro...
> >
> > My name is Lhiza...I currently live in Washington state...but I am a
> > traveling nurse...so I travel around the US working in different
> > hospitals...My family is in Az and I want to go back there when my
>oldest
>is
> > 16...I decided to travel when I realised that me and the boys could see
>the
> > united states and I can still get paid for it...so far it is turning out
>to
> > be an awesome educational experience...
> >
> > For question 1.
> > I don't know how I am tied into every other homeschooler...except that I
>feel
> > very strongly about my beleifs that me to choose homeschooling and
> > subsequently unschooling. It seems that from all the strong voices I
>see
>in
> > these posts...everyone here on this list also feel strongly about what
>brings
> > them to thier choices. Being a single parent and having to have a full
>time
> > job...they spend enough time away from me as it is...I don't want to
>send
> > them to PS for another 8 hours. I also feel that the ps system is
>breaking
> > down...to many parents trust that system to take care of their kids and
> > teachers are not paid enough to go thru what they have to with on a
>daily
> > basis in ps classrooms...So I am jealous of thier time away from me, I
>don't
> > trust the environment provided in ps's, I don't trust a culture where
>their
> > role models are not adults but other kids...I don't like the whole-gotta
>be
> > popular or fit into a group mentality that ps breeds in the kids...I
>really
> > believe that their education is my responsibility...and I feel I know
>more
> > about who they are now than I did before I took them out of ps...I can
>go
>on
> > and on...for us we are living a wonderful adventure filled life that I
>don't
> > allow the ills of society to intrude. They will have plenty of time to
>deal
> > with those ills when they grow up...now is my time with them...
> >
> > For Question 2...
> > 90% of my discipline is what I call...on the wall...when they get out of
> > line...(and this is anywhere we happen to be when they get out of
> > line)...they have to stand on the wall...sort of like in a corner...but
>they
> > have to keep their hands raised above thier heads...sort of like
>time-out
>in
> > that they are only 'on the wall' for the minutes that equal their number
>of
> > years...once they have spent a minute or so on the wall...I start
>talking
>to
> > them about what put them on the wall...and they usually end up off the
>wall
> > as soon as they have verbalized why they ended up there and how they can
>stay
> > 'off the wall'...my sister always trys to say...You have to be on the
>wall
> > for 30 minutes and she doesn't talk to them...so they end up
>uncomfortable
> > for that long and it is more like punishment...I don't put a time on
>it...I
> > depend on more if they can learn how to keep off the wall...if they need
> > quiet time...I give them an activity to do...if they are really grumpy
>and
> > have a hard time getting along...then we all take a break...maybe take a
> > nap...read a book...usually something relaxing...maybe watch some
>tv...if
> > they are rowdy...then we leave the house...they probably have cabin
>fever...I
> > have rules and expectations...they get fired if they blow off their
>chores
> > and have to earn thier allowance back...etc etc...it works for
>us...there
>is
> > alot of respect between the three of us...I have no problems telling
>them
> > what I need from them and they have no problems helping me out...
> >
> > Question 4
> > We sought out 4H...and one of my best friends...Carrie...also
>homeschools
>her
> > three kids and was homeschooled...so she is a great support...I am
>hoping
> > that as we travel the US...we will get to meet many different hs'ers and
> > uns'ers...and I am working on getting involved with church...that is the
> > hardest cuz I am very eclectic in my spirituality...Christians only want
>to
> > know about my experience with Jesus and pagans only want to know what
> > magickal tradition I follow...I feel that all paths have something
>important
> > to teach and I don't want to be closed to any particular one...
> >
> > I can't speak for anyone else...but my goals is to teach my kids that as
>a
> > family...we are a team...and we are connected...I hope that they will
>move
> > into adulthood with a sense that they have a responsibility to help our
>world
> > change and grow...and mostly I want us to have fun and a zest for
>life...it
> > seems that too many kids are unhappy with their lot...I hope that our
>family
> > structure keeps unhappiness at bay...
> >
> > Lhiza, Scotti (10) and Kevyn (8)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 17
> > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:36:50 -0000
> > From: cmas100@...
> > Subject: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> >
> > I'll say it again - thank you, Candice, for interpreting the "we" for
> > what it is. And no, there isn't another person on the message board
> > who knows me or my family personally (or least that I know of).
> >
> > I am a self-titled "pro-lifer" and there is no denial about what some
> > people in this group do. Just as I would believe that a "pro-
> > choicer" doesn't want to be considered a baby-killer just because
> > they believe in choice or what others are paid to do under the
> > title "abortion".
> >
> > So, no, I do not blow up abortion clinics or kill abortionists. I do
> > not condone that behavior (my logic & heart says that would not be
> > respecting life very much, would it?). I personally do not believe
> > that every black person who was part of the civil rights movement was
> > a militant activist or that I am either just because I believe in
> > civil rights. Just as those who have committed unspeakable acts
> > against humanity in the name of their beliefs toward the government
> > are speaking or acting for me in anyway.
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Laura M" <lauramatec@h...> wrote:
> > > Candice,
> > >
> > > This is a direct quote from her post...
> > >
> > > That strikes me as
> > > ironic since we don't go around shoving our beliefs down other
> > > people's throats and we don't try to "convince" others to follow our
> > > beliefs.
> > >
> > > She is the one who said "we" to begin with, including herself with
> > the
> > > pro-lifers. She cannot say that she is a part of a group and then
> > say that
> > > said group doesn't do things that we all know they do. No, I don't
> > know her
> > > personally, but I do know the deeds of the group that she includes
> > herself
> > > in.
> > >
> > > Laura
> > >
> > > >From: czuniga145@a...
> > > >Reply-To: Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> > > >To: Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> > > >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> > > >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:58:29 EST
> > > >
> > > >In a message dated 1/30/01 5:17:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > >lauramatec@h... writes:
> > > >
> > > ><< OH, BUT YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!! >>
> > > >
> > > >Do you know this woman personally?
> > > >
> > > >candice
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
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> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 18
> > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:43:46 +1300
> > From: Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
> > Subject: raising dogs & pro-life
> >
> > Sandra wrote:
> >
> > > Those homeschoolers sometimes cannot fathom why others would
>homeschool.
> >
> > I actually have been asked a couple of times, by bewildered christians:
> > "But why on earth would you want to homeschool if you aren't a
>christian?"
>How
> > insulting! Or is it just *sad*?
> >
> > > We're not all doing the same thing.
> >
> > Well, thank goodness someone understands that <g> Just wish you could
>get
>it
> > across to the rest of the world, Sandra :-)
> >
> > Carol
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 19
> > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:45:24 -0000
> > From: cmas100@...
> > Subject: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> >
> > Susan,
> >
> > Very well put!! I hope that you do not regret your post or your
> > comments and that the responses you get do not personally attack you
> > or your beliefs or your Catholicism.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Susan " <seaf@e...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just have to respond, and I will probably regret
> > > it. I am a practicing Catholic and many of my closet friends, both
> > > spiritually and neighborly are baptists. Do I support the radical
> > pro-life
> > > movement that burns clinics and kills people? Of course not, and
> > I'd be
> > > hard pressed to name one person in my parish of well over a
> > thousand families
> > > who would support that kind of violence. In fact, I'd be hard
> > pressed to
> > > find a single person in my parish who would consider any other
> > person of any
> > > religion "evil." In fact, our priests regularly use protestant
> > Christians
> > > and members of other faiths as examples of holy life.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While I certainly know from personal experience that
> > > some people of faith aren't tolerant, I am quite reluctant to group
> > everyone
> > > together. If anyone wants a generalization of Catholicism that
> > works
> > > for me, it is that we believe that Christ came to redeem the world--
> > and at some
> > > point everyone will be redeemed. Do I understand how that will
> > work?
> > > Of course not, and I really don't want to know. But do I believe
> > that if
> > > Christ would die to redeem the world-- every single person with
> > every single
> > > idiosyncrasy, can I condemn anyone? I think not.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sometimes people who are part of the radical fringe are
> > > just that--radically unbalanced. Probably whatever group gave them
> > some
> > > acceptance would be the beneficiary of their unbalanced sense of
> > > allegiance. I love life, and that will cause me to get involved
> > and help
> > > anyone I can to live a full life--old person, sick person, lonely
> > person,
> > > condemned person, unborn person. Yet, I could never take it upon
> > myself to
> > > judge and condemn another's actions.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But please, don't take the old shibboleths and give
> > > them new life. I don't hate anyone, am not a "fundamentalist",
> > unless you
> > > mean I fundamentally believe God loves us all and we should strive
> > to do the
> > > same.....Susan---wife of one, mother of three, caretaker of
> > multiple four legged
> > > friends, friend to many...
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From:
> > >
> > > To: Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> > >
> > > Sent: 01/30/2001 6:03:08 PM
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:
> > > raising dogs pro-life
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Not right. Duty.
> > >
> > > I've been a fundamentalist Christian, and I honestly understand
> > their drive
> > >
> > >
> > > to proselytize and to help prevent sin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And naturally, the Catholics and the Baptists see one another as
> > > part of the
> > >
> > > Satanic evil.
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > --- seaf@e...
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 20
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:22:12 EST
> > From: unschoolr2@...
> > Subject: Say... How bout them Blazers Huh?
> >
> > Anyone wanna talk sports???
> >
> > Trade recipes???
> >
> > How bout unschooling??? There's an idea!!!<g>
> >
> > Teri who is now looking over her shoulder for the odd lion or two;-)
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 21
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:22:23 -0600
> > From: "Annette Naake" <naake1999@...>
> > Subject: messy vs. disorganized
> >
> >
> >
> > My house is a mess most of the time, which I wouldn't really care about,
> > except it seems we lose stuff in the mess, and then other stuff becomes
> > useless.
> >
> > For instance, we have lost chess pieces, some playing cards, Mancala
>pieces,
> > parts of Transformers, crucial cards in a board game, dice, etc. Games
>seem
> > to be particular victims of this syndrome. All you have to lose is one
>or
> > two things out of a game and it becomes a lot less fun, if not
>impossible,
> > to play. The pieces get scattered around then the games are no good.
>This
>is
> > the downside of a messy house as far as I'm concerned. (We also lose
>bigger
> > things like books, reading glasses, remote controls and toys, but at
>least
> > they seem to show up eventually.)
> >
> > Perhaps other people are better than I am at getting their kids to put
>away
> > their games when they decide to do something else ("when they are
>finished
> > with them" would be misleading, since they're always quitting halfway
> > through and running off without a glance backward). You would think that
> > after having puzzles, games, models and other items with small pieces
> > rendered unusable because parts had been lost, that they'd be more
> > conscientious, but nooooo. They don't waste much time regretting that
>their
> > games and puzzles are ruined, but I'm sorry about it because I think
>those
> > things offer valuable learning experiences (plus they cost money, after
> > all).
> >
> > My boys are 8 and 4.
> >
> > By the way, I have been on this list for a long time, and reading
> > everything, but lurking a lot lately.
> >
> > Annette
> >
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> >
> > Message: 22
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:31:19 EST
> > From: louisaem@...
> > Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> >
> > In a message dated 1/30/01 6:01:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > SandraDodd@... writes:
> >
> > << I was also serious when I expressed amusement that in the very same
>week
> > birth control clinics are condemned but dog breeding is condemned too.
>NO
> > more dogs; LOTS more people. But it wasn't logic, it was religion, and
>I
> > forgot that for a second. >>
> >
> > Not totally correct either. Not all pro-life views include a ban on
>birth
> > control. The belief is that the unborn is already fully human and thus
>it
>is
> > not a promotion of more humans but the same right to life as those
>already
> > born. Many people who embrace a pro-life view are in favor of and
>practice
> > birth control, usually those methods which prevent fertilization rather
>than
> > implantation.
> >
> > Kris
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 23
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:14:52 -0600
> > From: "Cindy L." <clappin@...>
> > Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> >
> >
> > > So, if my husband and I want to have several children, it's supposed
> > > to be o.k. for everyone to share with us their opinions regarding
> > > sterilization, birth control and abortion, yet we are not supposed to
> > > share our belief in procreation? Again, I do not understand how that
> > > can be.
> > >
> > > > Chris
> > > Mommy to Jason (8), Angela (6-1/2), Daniel (3-1/2) and baby due in
> > > March!!!
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Personally I just think some people are thoughtless, and therefore often
> > offend others, whether they intend to or not. I don't think the people
>who
> > question your family size are really coming from a pro-choice stance, I
> > think they're just obnoxious people who probably think everyone should
>be
> > just like them. I face the same criticism, but in reverse, we have one
> > child, and we have no plans for more. I am always amazed by the nerve
>of
> > people who tell us how unfair we are, how selfish we are not to provide
>our
> > son with his own little sibling playmate. I refuse to explain to any of
> > them why we have an only child, there is no way to win this
>conversation,
> > just as there is no way to win an argument on abortion. These are
>issues
> > that people have already made up their minds on, and too often there is
>no
> > tolerance nor understanding of anyone who may have a different opinion
> > (usually due to having a different life experience). So congratulations
>on
> > the new baby, and I wish you & your family continued joy & happiness.
> >
> > Cindy L.
> >
> > BTW- I am non-religious, with deeply held spiritual beliefs. I am
> > adamantly pro-choice. I use natural family planning. My pregnancy was
> > unplanned, and seemingly inconvenient- I took it as a profound gift, and
>I
> > never once considered any other option than giving birth, I never had an
> > ultrasound even though I was in my late 30's at the time- I have never
>had
> > such a sense of 'faith' as I did with my pregnancy. I go by my
>intuition.
> > I understand that other people are guided (or not) by their own
>intuition,
> > or beliefs. I try my best not to judge the choices that other people
> > make...... Just to explain where I'm coming from. (I also understand
>that
> > many people think I'm just flaky, that's ok, too.)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 24
> > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:21:21 -0600
> > From: "Vicki A. Dennis" <mamaxaos@...>
> > Subject: Re: Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <louisaem@...>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: raising dogs & pro-life
> >
> >
> > > Many people who embrace a pro-life view are in favor of and practice
> > > birth control, usually those methods which prevent fertilization
>rather
>than
> > > implantation.
> > >
> > > Kris
> > >
> >
> > Something I have wondered for years.............what is the "official"
> > pro-life view on how to proceed when a tubal pregnancy is discovered?
> >
> > And I will go ahead and expose myself here......once I had borne a child
>I
>do
> > not know that I would be capable of choosing abortion for myself even
>under
> > extreme circumstances (but who can say for sure how one would proceed
>when
> > faced with reality instead of "if it were me"). I am adamantly
> > pro-choice----whether it be choice concerning elective sterilization
>(instead of
> > coerced after 1 healthy child for some races and incomes and denied for
>others
> > who seek it); choice of practicing reasonably safe means of family
>planning;
> > choice of attending a particular church or no church; choice to conceive
>a
>child
> > even if life partner is infertile; choice of means of education for
>self
>or
> > family; and yes, personal choice concerning whether to carry a
>particular
> > pregnancy into viability. I believe I can only claim to support
>choice if
> > I acknowledge that my choice might well differ from someone else's.
> >
> > Vicki
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 25
> > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:44:02 EST
> > From: discovery6@...
> > Subject: Re: Say... How bout them Blazers Huh?
> >
> > I think I started an email monster and I sure did not mean too.
> >
> > On the unschooling front.... it is cold here, icy and cold. My boys have
>been
> > busy reading about a certain subject and when they need a break they
>then
> > draw the subjects. (I would rather not say what it is as I may start
>another
> > argument! ) It is neat how when an interest is fired kids will really go
>with
> > it. The girls have been playing their horns (sax and clarinet) and
>working
>on
> > their various interests. One is learning Japanese ( karate triggered)
>and
>the
> > other has been working with the microscope. (science geek) Funny how
>being
> > housebound changes things. Last week, when we were enjoying warm
>weather,
> > they were outside working on projects there. (My oldest is determined on
> > raising the finest blackberries on earth and she has been working and
> > studying on that. The other three have been working with the you know
>whats.)
> > It was a nice break this evening to get out of the house and take the
>girls
> > to karate. It is a 35 mile drive and it was snowing pretty hard, yet we
> > plowed through mud to get to the highway. Weirdest weather. The boys
>prowled
> > through the adult section at the library, they love non-fiction, while
>the
> > girls were in class. Now we are home again and I see my email I wonder
>what
> > has happened. And it is all because my kids bought puppies.
> >
> > I hope everyone had a fun day too.
> > Oh and I forgot, we also played several rousting games of eye-popping
>bubbu.
> > I wish we had a big house like Sandra though, then it would have been
>much
> > more fun!
> > :)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Ok,the Bruin's play the Flyers on March 3rd in Philly.
We also live for hockey all year long. My dh and 2
oldest boys play street and ice hockey. They are
addicted to it so much that I have had to search out
hockey everything, including math lessons!(which
really arent lessons, but cool hockey/math facts.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/hockey/index.html
The San Jose sharks did this cool site for kids. My
son loves it!
Do you have any kids who would be interested in an
email/snail mail penpal with an almost 8 year old
hockey fanatic? They could exchange pics, cards, etc.
Kerry
We also live for hockey all year long. My dh and 2
oldest boys play street and ice hockey. They are
addicted to it so much that I have had to search out
hockey everything, including math lessons!(which
really arent lessons, but cool hockey/math facts.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/hockey/index.html
The San Jose sharks did this cool site for kids. My
son loves it!
Do you have any kids who would be interested in an
email/snail mail penpal with an almost 8 year old
hockey fanatic? They could exchange pics, cards, etc.
Kerry
Kerry Kibort
I suggest you try to turn one of your interests into a
business. I love to rubber stamp, and have a nice
little business making greeting cards. I made them for
my family as gifts and everyone they gave them to
asked where to buy them---- BINGO BANGO, I'm in
business! Its something I already loved to do, now I
get paid!
Kerry
business. I love to rubber stamp, and have a nice
little business making greeting cards. I made them for
my family as gifts and everyone they gave them to
asked where to buy them---- BINGO BANGO, I'm in
business! Its something I already loved to do, now I
get paid!
Kerry
Cory and Amy Nelson
Nanci K.-
So sorry to hear about your ill health. This has probably been answered in
one of the many posts I have yet to read, but what is FMS? Have you or your
son tried elimination diets? This is probably something you've already done
- I'm relatively new to the list so don't know much about your past - but
it's the first thought that popped to mind.
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated" -Indigo Girls
Now I am thinking, for his
So sorry to hear about your ill health. This has probably been answered in
one of the many posts I have yet to read, but what is FMS? Have you or your
son tried elimination diets? This is probably something you've already done
- I'm relatively new to the list so don't know much about your past - but
it's the first thought that popped to mind.
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated" -Indigo Girls
Now I am thinking, for his
> own safety, I need to get in to see an allergist and have some comprehensive
> testing done on him, as well as myself. Any advice from parents of allergic
> and special medical needs children?
Cory and Amy Nelson
That's terrific, Dawn! I wish I had had your son's curiosity and
fearlessness to explore math at that age.
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated" -Indigo Girls
fearlessness to explore math at that age.
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated" -Indigo Girls
> My ds8 surprised me yesterday by taking out a workbook and doing an entire
> page of division! I didnt even think he understood the way a division
> problem looks never mind that he could actually do it! He told me he just
> wanted to see if he was getting the "multiplication thing" and the "division
> thing" is just the "other part of it". His words! I was so thrilled!
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In a message dated 1/31/1 3:35:37 PM, moblpetvet@... writes:
<<I'm just not
sure how I can work it out. Any thoughts?
Janet>>
Hi Janet,
I work from home on my computer, with my dd, and just move from one thing to
another as needed. We have no set hours for anything. Is this an option for
you? Or maybe one of those cooperative work places that you can bring your
kids to?
And I must share with everyone that my dd is currently taping toilet paper to
her fingers with masking tape and making little finger puppets! It started
off that she was playing Dr. with me while I'm typing, and her pretend
bandage for me was tp- well she drew a face on it, and decided it was really
cool! Too cute. She has quite the imagination! But don't they all?!
Vic and Ariel (4)
<<I'm just not
sure how I can work it out. Any thoughts?
Janet>>
Hi Janet,
I work from home on my computer, with my dd, and just move from one thing to
another as needed. We have no set hours for anything. Is this an option for
you? Or maybe one of those cooperative work places that you can bring your
kids to?
And I must share with everyone that my dd is currently taping toilet paper to
her fingers with masking tape and making little finger puppets! It started
off that she was playing Dr. with me while I'm typing, and her pretend
bandage for me was tp- well she drew a face on it, and decided it was really
cool! Too cute. She has quite the imagination! But don't they all?!
Vic and Ariel (4)
Bonnie Painter
I like hockey, but I'm a Philadelphia Flyers fan.
Bonnie
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>From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Sports
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:29:26 -0800 (PST)
>
>Anyone wanna talk sports???
>
>My family is BIG into hockey. The Boston Bruins won
>the St. Louis Blues last night! Wahoo!
>Anyone else into hockey? Other sports?
>Kerry
>
>
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Another suggestion, which is what I have been doing since the summer, is to
work at night. I work at Barnes & Noble because they are open until 11 pm.
That way, I can have dinner, hubby's home and I can get to work.
However, my kids are night owls and don't get up in the morning. It is
really nice to get out of the house once in a while though.
Good luck,
Bonnie
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work at night. I work at Barnes & Noble because they are open until 11 pm.
That way, I can have dinner, hubby's home and I can get to work.
However, my kids are night owls and don't get up in the morning. It is
really nice to get out of the house once in a while though.
Good luck,
Bonnie
>From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]makin $$
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:28:05 -0800 (PST)
>
>I suggest you try to turn one of your interests into a
>business. I love to rubber stamp, and have a nice
>little business making greeting cards. I made them for
>my family as gifts and everyone they gave them to
>asked where to buy them---- BINGO BANGO, I'm in
>business! Its something I already loved to do, now I
>get paid!
>Kerry
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From: megates@...
opportunities. Have you thought about cycling? Or rollerskates/blades?
Scooters? These are things that are good activities families can enjoy
together. They can also be great alternatives to energy-consumptive
transportation. I'm not a huge fan of organized sports, especially for
young kids. We try to provide an active lifestyle in our family instead,
and engage in activities that are fun and physically challenging.
Both my DH and I do amateur athletics (DH ran a marathon a couple years
back, I do triathlons and Master's swimming, we both skydive) I think it's
great for kids to see their parents engaging in active pursuits, whether
competitively or non-competitively. My son and I had a great discussion one
day on the theme of "Why do you do races mom if you're not going to win?".
Physically active things we do:
Bicycling: We do every day as our transportation. I'm about to bump my son
out of the trailer and onto a kid's tandem attachment to my bicycle. He's
excited about becoming "the stoker". We also take the kids small bikes down
to the bike path or have them ride around the garage/driveway
Rollerskating: Our local rink has a homeschool hour once a week - you might
call your rink and ask if they have something similar, or try to start one.
In the summer, rollerblading on bike paths or sidewalks can be fun
Swimming: Many pools now have waterslides or wavepools that can be really
fun for all ages
Playing at the park/playground, especially with other kids where they make
up games and run around
Outdoor games like hopskotch, games with big rubber balls, basketball,
croquet
Walking - as exercise or transportation. If we have an errand that's 1/2
mile or less, we usually try to walk
Hiking on local trails
Innertubing/sledding on snow in the winter
Skiing/snowboarding/cross-country skiing
Go to the river/lake/pond and build a dam out of rocks or just
skip/collect/throw rocks
Backpacking - even if you only hike in a mile or so, it's great fun for kids
to camp in the outdoors!
Gardening - this can be great exercise, especially the big stuff like
weeding, raking leaves, hoeing, shoveling
Horseback riding
Dancing/folk dancing
Just some ideas!!
Blue Skies!
-Robin-
Mom to Mackenzie (8/28/96) "I want to grow up to be a nun, because I love to
sing" (can you tell we just watched the "Sound of Music"??)
and Asa (10/5/99) "More get doggies happy be!"
http://www.geocities.com/the_clevengers Flying Clevenger Family
>Anyway, I would like to raise my daughters to be physically active. HowKids are naturally physically active, all we have to do is provide the
>can I break this pattern? I like to walk and hike, so as far as
>modeling, that is about my limit! Any ideas?
opportunities. Have you thought about cycling? Or rollerskates/blades?
Scooters? These are things that are good activities families can enjoy
together. They can also be great alternatives to energy-consumptive
transportation. I'm not a huge fan of organized sports, especially for
young kids. We try to provide an active lifestyle in our family instead,
and engage in activities that are fun and physically challenging.
Both my DH and I do amateur athletics (DH ran a marathon a couple years
back, I do triathlons and Master's swimming, we both skydive) I think it's
great for kids to see their parents engaging in active pursuits, whether
competitively or non-competitively. My son and I had a great discussion one
day on the theme of "Why do you do races mom if you're not going to win?".
Physically active things we do:
Bicycling: We do every day as our transportation. I'm about to bump my son
out of the trailer and onto a kid's tandem attachment to my bicycle. He's
excited about becoming "the stoker". We also take the kids small bikes down
to the bike path or have them ride around the garage/driveway
Rollerskating: Our local rink has a homeschool hour once a week - you might
call your rink and ask if they have something similar, or try to start one.
In the summer, rollerblading on bike paths or sidewalks can be fun
Swimming: Many pools now have waterslides or wavepools that can be really
fun for all ages
Playing at the park/playground, especially with other kids where they make
up games and run around
Outdoor games like hopskotch, games with big rubber balls, basketball,
croquet
Walking - as exercise or transportation. If we have an errand that's 1/2
mile or less, we usually try to walk
Hiking on local trails
Innertubing/sledding on snow in the winter
Skiing/snowboarding/cross-country skiing
Go to the river/lake/pond and build a dam out of rocks or just
skip/collect/throw rocks
Backpacking - even if you only hike in a mile or so, it's great fun for kids
to camp in the outdoors!
Gardening - this can be great exercise, especially the big stuff like
weeding, raking leaves, hoeing, shoveling
Horseback riding
Dancing/folk dancing
Just some ideas!!
Blue Skies!
-Robin-
Mom to Mackenzie (8/28/96) "I want to grow up to be a nun, because I love to
sing" (can you tell we just watched the "Sound of Music"??)
and Asa (10/5/99) "More get doggies happy be!"
http://www.geocities.com/the_clevengers Flying Clevenger Family
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/31/2001 4:38:25 PM, kkibort@... writes:
<< son loves it!
Do you have any kids who would be interested in an
email/snail mail penpal with an almost 8 year old
hockey fanatic? They could exchange pics, cards, etc.
Kerry
<< son loves it!
Do you have any kids who would be interested in an
email/snail mail penpal with an almost 8 year old
hockey fanatic? They could exchange pics, cards, etc.
Kerry
>>My eight year old son plays hockey. He might like a penpal. Kimme
DiamondAir
From: noni411@...
<<Not in my family. My girls are plenty rowdy! In some ways they are more
agressive than their brother.
16 months) doing things my son (4.5) won't dare to do. I have a feeling
she'll be a handful, just like I was.
As for the whole boys vs. girls thing, I dunno. I was in Little League at
age 10, taking Judo at 15, got my first motorcycle at 17, started scuba
diving at 22, and skydiving at 24, etc. etc. I've had 13 broken bones and
300-some stitches. Nothing to be proud of, for sure. But that's the kind of
kid I was. I try not to get into too much trouble anymore, afraid I'm not as
fixable as I used to be!!
Blue Skies!
-Robin-
Mom to Mackenzie (8/28/96) "I want to grow up to be a nun, because I love to
sing" (can you tell we just watched the "Sound of Music"??)
and Asa (10/5/99) "More get doggies happy be!"
http://www.geocities.com/the_clevengers Flying Clevenger Family
<<Not in my family. My girls are plenty rowdy! In some ways they are more
agressive than their brother.
>>LOL, same here! My daughter is the daredevil of the two. She's already (at
16 months) doing things my son (4.5) won't dare to do. I have a feeling
she'll be a handful, just like I was.
As for the whole boys vs. girls thing, I dunno. I was in Little League at
age 10, taking Judo at 15, got my first motorcycle at 17, started scuba
diving at 22, and skydiving at 24, etc. etc. I've had 13 broken bones and
300-some stitches. Nothing to be proud of, for sure. But that's the kind of
kid I was. I try not to get into too much trouble anymore, afraid I'm not as
fixable as I used to be!!
Blue Skies!
-Robin-
Mom to Mackenzie (8/28/96) "I want to grow up to be a nun, because I love to
sing" (can you tell we just watched the "Sound of Music"??)
and Asa (10/5/99) "More get doggies happy be!"
http://www.geocities.com/the_clevengers Flying Clevenger Family
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/31/01 8:31:55 PM Central Standard Time,
czuniga145@... writes:
<< Pardon my ignorance, but what
is eye popping bubbu >>
Hi, Eye popping Bubba is the cutest thing. Do you know what a Bubba bear is?
(Very witty southern talking teddy bear. My youngest loves them) In this form
Bubba is like a hot potato. You throw him back and forth while he talks away.
Finally he "goes off" and his eyes pop out, sometimes he yells LOSER. Sounds
crazy in print but it really is cute. Hard to believe that I can get 3 teens
and their younger brother to play but I can. ;) I really love all the Bubba
Bears. (Did you see the Bubba for President)
Have a great evening
Candy
czuniga145@... writes:
<< Pardon my ignorance, but what
is eye popping bubbu >>
Hi, Eye popping Bubba is the cutest thing. Do you know what a Bubba bear is?
(Very witty southern talking teddy bear. My youngest loves them) In this form
Bubba is like a hot potato. You throw him back and forth while he talks away.
Finally he "goes off" and his eyes pop out, sometimes he yells LOSER. Sounds
crazy in print but it really is cute. Hard to believe that I can get 3 teens
and their younger brother to play but I can. ;) I really love all the Bubba
Bears. (Did you see the Bubba for President)
Have a great evening
Candy
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To state the obvious... I write... but I can't exactly say I am making many
dollars! LOL
Teri
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dollars! LOL
Teri
Co-author of <A HREF="http://www.championpress.com/unschoolingmain.html">
Christian Unschooling: growing your child in the freedom of Christ</A>
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Hi Candy,
We have a toy kinda like that only its called "Bop-It", we play that
sometimes and cant put it down. Talking about laughing until you cant breath
and/or snorting, its alot of fun!
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We have a toy kinda like that only its called "Bop-It", we play that
sometimes and cant put it down. Talking about laughing until you cant breath
and/or snorting, its alot of fun!
Tami
>From: discovery6@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Say... How bout them Blazers Huh?
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:19:14 EST
>
>In a message dated 1/31/01 8:31:55 PM Central Standard Time,
>czuniga145@... writes:
>
><< Pardon my ignorance, but what
> is eye popping bubbu >>
>
>Hi, Eye popping Bubba is the cutest thing. Do you know what a Bubba bear
>is?
>(Very witty southern talking teddy bear. My youngest loves them) In this
>form
>Bubba is like a hot potato. You throw him back and forth while he talks
>away.
>Finally he "goes off" and his eyes pop out, sometimes he yells LOSER.
>Sounds
>crazy in print but it really is cute. Hard to believe that I can get 3
>teens
>and their younger brother to play but I can. ;) I really love all the
>Bubba
>Bears. (Did you see the Bubba for President)
>Have a great evening
>Candy
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