Re: AScary Story
Kim
Wow, do you think that could happen here? As soon as I got that email and
read about the IDs needed for the homeschool kids I thought of the Jews and
the stars they had to wear. I thought we were going forward, not backward
in time.
Your story was excellent Nanci, and filled me with fear. How many of us
have not had strangers look at our children in public places and with falsly
kind voices ask them why they aren't in school today?
I used to be so afraid of authorities I'd answer "Dr. Appt." and scurry
away.
Live and Learn!
Kim from Pa
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read about the IDs needed for the homeschool kids I thought of the Jews and
the stars they had to wear. I thought we were going forward, not backward
in time.
Your story was excellent Nanci, and filled me with fear. How many of us
have not had strangers look at our children in public places and with falsly
kind voices ask them why they aren't in school today?
I used to be so afraid of authorities I'd answer "Dr. Appt." and scurry
away.
Live and Learn!
Kim from Pa
I'm Cookin the American Way! Ask me
for a catalog and info. on how to earn at
least $50.00 of free merchandise!
Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall
At 04:46 PM 6/2/99 -0400, you wrote:
homeschool kids I thought of the Jews and the stars they had to wear. I
thought we were going forward, not backward in time.
Kim,
That was exactly the idea of those IDs with their Scarlet Letters branded
on them. Thanks for "getting it."
Nanci K.
>From: "Kim" <cook4you@...>As soon as I got that email and read about the IDs needed for the
>
homeschool kids I thought of the Jews and the stars they had to wear. I
thought we were going forward, not backward in time.
Kim,
That was exactly the idea of those IDs with their Scarlet Letters branded
on them. Thanks for "getting it."
Nanci K.
Kim
Nanci, please take this seriously ok? Have you thought of writing books?
You really can make a character come to life.
Kim
Thanks for "getting it."
You really can make a character come to life.
Kim
Thanks for "getting it."
>
> Nanci K.
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In a message dated 6/2/99 3:47:17 PM Central Daylight Time, cook4you@...
writes:
<< Your story was excellent Nanci, and filled me with fear. How many of us
have not had strangers look at our children in public places and with falsly
kind voices ask them why they aren't in school today?
I get this all the time! Usually it is my 7 yod who is with me and she
immediately tells them we homeschool. Sometimes we get some very negative
reactions, but usually the people are nice about it, but you can tell they
think we're weird. If I also have my 10 yos, and my 13 yos and 17 yos with
me, it is alot worse, especially since my 17 yos is much taller than I am. I
think they accept my homeschooling my youngest child, much more easily than
they do my teenagers.
I am with you. That story was scary. It reminded me of the
mistreatment of the Jewish people during the holocaust also! I sure hope
things won't get this bad!
Tami in IN
writes:
<< Your story was excellent Nanci, and filled me with fear. How many of us
have not had strangers look at our children in public places and with falsly
kind voices ask them why they aren't in school today?
>>Kim,
I get this all the time! Usually it is my 7 yod who is with me and she
immediately tells them we homeschool. Sometimes we get some very negative
reactions, but usually the people are nice about it, but you can tell they
think we're weird. If I also have my 10 yos, and my 13 yos and 17 yos with
me, it is alot worse, especially since my 17 yos is much taller than I am. I
think they accept my homeschooling my youngest child, much more easily than
they do my teenagers.
I am with you. That story was scary. It reminded me of the
mistreatment of the Jewish people during the holocaust also! I sure hope
things won't get this bad!
Tami in IN
A.Y.
> How many of usYeah, that happens all the time, but my 6yr old handles it very well. He says
> have not had strangers look at our children in public places and with falsly
> kind voices ask them why they aren't in school today?
> >>
very matter of factly, "I homeschool". I was so thankful he started doing this.
But still, some people when they find out we homeschool start trying to quiz him
to see what he knows, or worse they start trying to teach him everything. I mean
even when we are in a store just window shopping or something. It drives me
nuts! I want to just tell them to shut up...they don't do that to anyone else.
My son loves to talk though, and it doesn't seem to bother him to much. He sees
the best in everyone. If it gets to out of hand, I then just get us the heck out
of there.
Does this happen to anyone else? I'll bet it does.
Ann
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In a message dated 6/2/99 11:15:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
hooperck@... writes:
<< I mean
even when we are in a store just window shopping or something. It drives me
nuts! I want to just tell them to shut up...they don't do that to anyone
else.
My son loves to talk though, and it doesn't seem to bother him to much. He
sees
the best in everyone. If it gets to out of hand, I then just get us the
heck out
of there.
Does this happen to anyone else? I'll bet it does.
Ann >>
Ann,
It sure does! If they ask something that my kids don't know, I just say
that we haven't covered that yet. If it is a stranger, I try to change the
subject and go on. In my case, my family seems to do most of this.
Sometimes they ask questions when I am not around, so they can put my kids on
the spot. Then they come back to me and complain about the things I haven't
covered yet. They have even jumped all over my kids, saying that they should
have learned that by now! It makes me so mad! Usually, I have just taken it
quietly, without really defending ourselves, but lately I have politely asked
them to quit quizing my kids. I ask them if they feel like they need to quiz
public school kids like that. The problem is that my relatives get mad and
say they are doing it because they love my kids and then they say "you
wouldn't want us not to care about them would you?" How frustrating! How
do you answer a question like that?
Tami in IN
hooperck@... writes:
<< I mean
even when we are in a store just window shopping or something. It drives me
nuts! I want to just tell them to shut up...they don't do that to anyone
else.
My son loves to talk though, and it doesn't seem to bother him to much. He
sees
the best in everyone. If it gets to out of hand, I then just get us the
heck out
of there.
Does this happen to anyone else? I'll bet it does.
Ann >>
Ann,
It sure does! If they ask something that my kids don't know, I just say
that we haven't covered that yet. If it is a stranger, I try to change the
subject and go on. In my case, my family seems to do most of this.
Sometimes they ask questions when I am not around, so they can put my kids on
the spot. Then they come back to me and complain about the things I haven't
covered yet. They have even jumped all over my kids, saying that they should
have learned that by now! It makes me so mad! Usually, I have just taken it
quietly, without really defending ourselves, but lately I have politely asked
them to quit quizing my kids. I ask them if they feel like they need to quiz
public school kids like that. The problem is that my relatives get mad and
say they are doing it because they love my kids and then they say "you
wouldn't want us not to care about them would you?" How frustrating! How
do you answer a question like that?
Tami in IN
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/2/99 8:52:33 PM PST, FreeSchool@... writes:
<< They have even jumped all over my kids, saying that they should have
learned that by now! It makes me so mad! >>
This comes back full circle to my reading (or lack of) dilemna. NO ONE asks
my son if he can add or subtract, NO ONE asks him if he knows about the solar
system or dinasuares. NO ONE questions his ability to play sports. But it
seems that EVERYONE wants to know if he is reading yet. GRRRR. I think that
is where my feeling of "inadequacy" comes in. I know its stupid but once he
learns to read I can shout YES HE DOES, THANK YOU. LOL.
I have done the reading, listened to you all. I KNOW he will get it and on
his own time. But sometimes those creepy crawly feelings sneak in.
Excuse all typos....its late...I'm tired.
Christina
<< They have even jumped all over my kids, saying that they should have
learned that by now! It makes me so mad! >>
This comes back full circle to my reading (or lack of) dilemna. NO ONE asks
my son if he can add or subtract, NO ONE asks him if he knows about the solar
system or dinasuares. NO ONE questions his ability to play sports. But it
seems that EVERYONE wants to know if he is reading yet. GRRRR. I think that
is where my feeling of "inadequacy" comes in. I know its stupid but once he
learns to read I can shout YES HE DOES, THANK YOU. LOL.
I have done the reading, listened to you all. I KNOW he will get it and on
his own time. But sometimes those creepy crawly feelings sneak in.
Excuse all typos....its late...I'm tired.
Christina
A.Y.
Ooooooohhhhhhh! I'm burning up just thinking about it. My Mom is supportive,
though sometimes has her doubts. She may voice those doubts, but doesn't push
it. But I can tell her to back off. she can take it.
My husbands family on the other hand like to quiz, or worse have their kids show
off when they are here. Lets just say that they aren't here very often ;)
They all think I'm quite strange, I homeschool, and worse unschool, homebirth,
use herbs, don't use babysitters or day cares ect.....
Oh brother!
Ann
In answer to what could you say in response.....
How about GOODBYE?
though sometimes has her doubts. She may voice those doubts, but doesn't push
it. But I can tell her to back off. she can take it.
My husbands family on the other hand like to quiz, or worse have their kids show
off when they are here. Lets just say that they aren't here very often ;)
They all think I'm quite strange, I homeschool, and worse unschool, homebirth,
use herbs, don't use babysitters or day cares ect.....
Oh brother!
Ann
In answer to what could you say in response.....
How about GOODBYE?
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In a message dated 6/2/99 11:52:25 PM EST, FreeSchool@... writes:
<< The problem is that my relatives get mad and
say they are doing it because they love my kids and then they say "you
wouldn't want us not to care about them would you?" How frustrating! How
do you answer a question like that? >>
Tami,
That must be frustrating, I am happy to say that I don't get that from my
family, they are supportive or else they know better then to question me!
But, if my family did have that attitude, I think I would answer them that I
was indeed happy that they care about my kids, but quizzing them to try to
find out what they Don't know so that they could have something to fuss
about, would NOT be my idea of showing love and concern. However, if that is
what their idea of love and concern is, then I would be happy to show my love
and concern for their children, as I certainly love their kids as much as
they love mine. Course, if the ones that are doing that don't have kids, I
would have to leave out the last part!!
Teresa
<< The problem is that my relatives get mad and
say they are doing it because they love my kids and then they say "you
wouldn't want us not to care about them would you?" How frustrating! How
do you answer a question like that? >>
Tami,
That must be frustrating, I am happy to say that I don't get that from my
family, they are supportive or else they know better then to question me!
But, if my family did have that attitude, I think I would answer them that I
was indeed happy that they care about my kids, but quizzing them to try to
find out what they Don't know so that they could have something to fuss
about, would NOT be my idea of showing love and concern. However, if that is
what their idea of love and concern is, then I would be happy to show my love
and concern for their children, as I certainly love their kids as much as
they love mine. Course, if the ones that are doing that don't have kids, I
would have to leave out the last part!!
Teresa
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/2/99 8:15:07 PM PST, hooperck@... writes:
<< I was so thankful he started doing this.
But still, some people when they find out we homeschool start trying to quiz
him
to see what he knows, or worse they start trying to teach him everything. I
mean
even when we are in a store just window shopping or something. It drives me
nuts! I want to just tell them to shut up...they don't do that to anyone
else. >>
I always say "The beauty of homeschooling is that we don't have to take
tests, please don't issue one to my child" People are stunned, like "was I
testing??" but it let's my children know that A) they don't have to answer
testing type questions and B) mom is in their corner all the way. Often my
children will say "We are in complete compliance with the law of our state"
I wonder where they got that from??? <eg>
Mary
<< I was so thankful he started doing this.
But still, some people when they find out we homeschool start trying to quiz
him
to see what he knows, or worse they start trying to teach him everything. I
mean
even when we are in a store just window shopping or something. It drives me
nuts! I want to just tell them to shut up...they don't do that to anyone
else. >>
I always say "The beauty of homeschooling is that we don't have to take
tests, please don't issue one to my child" People are stunned, like "was I
testing??" but it let's my children know that A) they don't have to answer
testing type questions and B) mom is in their corner all the way. Often my
children will say "We are in complete compliance with the law of our state"
I wonder where they got that from??? <eg>
Mary
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/2/99 9:01:08 PM PST, ChrissR123@... writes:
<<
This comes back full circle to my reading (or lack of) dilemna. NO ONE asks
my son if he can add or subtract, NO ONE asks him if he knows about the
solar
system or dinasuares. NO ONE questions his ability to play sports. But it
seems that EVERYONE wants to know if he is reading yet. GRRRR. I think
that
is where my feeling of "inadequacy" comes in. I know its stupid but once
he
learns to read I can shout YES HE DOES, THANK YOU. LOL.
about dinosaurs, space, we read the math problems he does, and he has learned
TONS about the sports he is interested in.... He will soon "break the code"
for reading himself, and then he will take off even more....
Mary
<<
This comes back full circle to my reading (or lack of) dilemna. NO ONE asks
my son if he can add or subtract, NO ONE asks him if he knows about the
solar
system or dinasuares. NO ONE questions his ability to play sports. But it
seems that EVERYONE wants to know if he is reading yet. GRRRR. I think
that
is where my feeling of "inadequacy" comes in. I know its stupid but once
he
learns to read I can shout YES HE DOES, THANK YOU. LOL.
>>I would say something about reading all the time. We read LOTS of books,
about dinosaurs, space, we read the math problems he does, and he has learned
TONS about the sports he is interested in.... He will soon "break the code"
for reading himself, and then he will take off even more....
Mary
[email protected]
Ann wrote:
<<But still, some people when they find out we homeschool start trying
to quiz him to see what he knows> <Does this happen to anyone else?>>
Being that my children are still young, so far I only have gotten this
from my in laws. I hate it and have no problem letting people know when
they are bugging my kids. I simple tell them that our kids don't do
tricks.
I've had comments about pacifiers and thumb sucking and diaper wearing
when the in laws thought these things should be gone. I've had plenty of
practice in speaking up. Should make for an interesting future!!
Mary
<<But still, some people when they find out we homeschool start trying
to quiz him to see what he knows> <Does this happen to anyone else?>>
Being that my children are still young, so far I only have gotten this
from my in laws. I hate it and have no problem letting people know when
they are bugging my kids. I simple tell them that our kids don't do
tricks.
I've had comments about pacifiers and thumb sucking and diaper wearing
when the in laws thought these things should be gone. I've had plenty of
practice in speaking up. Should make for an interesting future!!
Mary
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/1999 12:52:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
FreeSchool@... writes:
<< In my case, my family seems to do most of this.
Sometimes they ask questions when I am not around, so they can put my kids
on
the spot. Then they come back to me and complain about the things I haven't
covered yet. They have even jumped all over my kids, saying that they
should
have learned that by now! It makes me so mad! Usually, I have just taken
it
quietly, without really defending ourselves, but lately I have politely
asked
them to quit quizing my kids. I ask them if they feel like they need to
quiz
public school kids like that. The problem is that my relatives get mad and
say they are doing it because they love my kids and then they say "you
wouldn't want us not to care about them would you?" How frustrating! How
do you answer a question like that?
Tami in IN >>
My MIL is a retired school teacher and she is supportive of my homeschooling
the kids, however, she does tend to quiz them when I am not around. One day
she came up to me and said that my 9 yo dd should know her multiplication
tables and that she needed to work on them. I told her that I did not
believe in memorizing them (she is a retired highschool math teacher). I
told her that I felt it was more important for Sarah to understand what
multiplication was and how to figure out the answer and that eventually she
would have them memorized just from repetition. My FIL was in the room and
he has a Ph.D. in physics. He came to my rescue and completely agreed with
me. I thought that was great. He said some of the best mathematicians still
didn't have them memorized. He said learning math theory and the language of
math was far more important. By the way he is better at advanced math than
my MIL. So she had to back down.
Cindy in Pittsburgh
FreeSchool@... writes:
<< In my case, my family seems to do most of this.
Sometimes they ask questions when I am not around, so they can put my kids
on
the spot. Then they come back to me and complain about the things I haven't
covered yet. They have even jumped all over my kids, saying that they
should
have learned that by now! It makes me so mad! Usually, I have just taken
it
quietly, without really defending ourselves, but lately I have politely
asked
them to quit quizing my kids. I ask them if they feel like they need to
quiz
public school kids like that. The problem is that my relatives get mad and
say they are doing it because they love my kids and then they say "you
wouldn't want us not to care about them would you?" How frustrating! How
do you answer a question like that?
Tami in IN >>
My MIL is a retired school teacher and she is supportive of my homeschooling
the kids, however, she does tend to quiz them when I am not around. One day
she came up to me and said that my 9 yo dd should know her multiplication
tables and that she needed to work on them. I told her that I did not
believe in memorizing them (she is a retired highschool math teacher). I
told her that I felt it was more important for Sarah to understand what
multiplication was and how to figure out the answer and that eventually she
would have them memorized just from repetition. My FIL was in the room and
he has a Ph.D. in physics. He came to my rescue and completely agreed with
me. I thought that was great. He said some of the best mathematicians still
didn't have them memorized. He said learning math theory and the language of
math was far more important. By the way he is better at advanced math than
my MIL. So she had to back down.
Cindy in Pittsburgh
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/99 12:01:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
ChrissR123@... writes:
<< at EVERYONE wants to know if he is reading yet. GRRRR. I think that
is where my feeling of "inadequacy" comes in. I know its stupid but once
he
learns to read I can shout YES HE DOES, THANK YOU. LOL.
I know how you feel. Is he your oldest child? If so, that is why that
is the question that everybody asks him. My three older children get quized
on spelling, geography, history--you name it, but my daughter only gets asked
if she is reading yet. That seems to be the big mark for people that know
you homeschool, as if since your child is not reading yet, then you are
failing in homeschooling. No-one stops and does that to public school kids
however, Instead if a child in public school isn't reading by 2nd or 3rd
grade, then they assume the child is having reading problems-they sure don't
blame the parents. Although, I don't think that those children should be
labelled as having learning difficulties (that label will follow them through
life), I also don't like the double standards being followed. If it is not
the parents fault if you have a nonreader in public school, why do they
automatically blame the parent if the child homeschools?
The other problem, of course, is that you don't run into people that
believe in the public school system, that have read John Holt or believes in
letting a child learn to read in their own time. Instead they assume that
all children should learn to read in first grade, because the public school
system teaches it then. Automatically, they expect the same of
homeschoolers. It doesn't do any good to talk about why, or bring up John
Holts ideas, you just end up getting stranger looks than they already give
you for homeschooling. LOL
It is a never ending battle!
Tami in IN
ChrissR123@... writes:
<< at EVERYONE wants to know if he is reading yet. GRRRR. I think that
is where my feeling of "inadequacy" comes in. I know its stupid but once
he
learns to read I can shout YES HE DOES, THANK YOU. LOL.
>>Christina,
I know how you feel. Is he your oldest child? If so, that is why that
is the question that everybody asks him. My three older children get quized
on spelling, geography, history--you name it, but my daughter only gets asked
if she is reading yet. That seems to be the big mark for people that know
you homeschool, as if since your child is not reading yet, then you are
failing in homeschooling. No-one stops and does that to public school kids
however, Instead if a child in public school isn't reading by 2nd or 3rd
grade, then they assume the child is having reading problems-they sure don't
blame the parents. Although, I don't think that those children should be
labelled as having learning difficulties (that label will follow them through
life), I also don't like the double standards being followed. If it is not
the parents fault if you have a nonreader in public school, why do they
automatically blame the parent if the child homeschools?
The other problem, of course, is that you don't run into people that
believe in the public school system, that have read John Holt or believes in
letting a child learn to read in their own time. Instead they assume that
all children should learn to read in first grade, because the public school
system teaches it then. Automatically, they expect the same of
homeschoolers. It doesn't do any good to talk about why, or bring up John
Holts ideas, you just end up getting stranger looks than they already give
you for homeschooling. LOL
It is a never ending battle!
Tami in IN
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/99 12:03:36 AM Central Daylight Time,
hooperck@... writes:
<< n answer to what could you say in response.....
How about GOODBYE? >>
Ann,
Unfortunately, we have done so in a way. We don't see my parents even a
third as much as we used to, and our relationship is very strained now. I
hate to see it happen like that, but whenever I bend just a little and
apologize, they seem to think that I am admitting that I am wrong, and they
come in and try to take charge again. With my husbands help, I am firmly
standing my ground, but my parents are not happy with that effect, and they
have pulled away because of it.
Tami in In
hooperck@... writes:
<< n answer to what could you say in response.....
How about GOODBYE? >>
Ann,
Unfortunately, we have done so in a way. We don't see my parents even a
third as much as we used to, and our relationship is very strained now. I
hate to see it happen like that, but whenever I bend just a little and
apologize, they seem to think that I am admitting that I am wrong, and they
come in and try to take charge again. With my husbands help, I am firmly
standing my ground, but my parents are not happy with that effect, and they
have pulled away because of it.
Tami in In
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/99 7:15:06 PM EST, FreeSchool@... writes:
<< and our relationship is very strained now. I
hate to see it happen like that, but whenever I bend just a little and
apologize, they seem to think that I am admitting that I am wrong, and they
come in and try to take charge again. With my husbands help, I am firmly
standing my ground, but my parents are not happy with that effect, and they
have pulled away because of it. >>
Sorry to hear this about your family. That must be so hard. But I am glad
to hear that your husband is giving you so much support. Just hang in there
and we here on the loop will add all our support too!
Teresa
<< and our relationship is very strained now. I
hate to see it happen like that, but whenever I bend just a little and
apologize, they seem to think that I am admitting that I am wrong, and they
come in and try to take charge again. With my husbands help, I am firmly
standing my ground, but my parents are not happy with that effect, and they
have pulled away because of it. >>
Sorry to hear this about your family. That must be so hard. But I am glad
to hear that your husband is giving you so much support. Just hang in there
and we here on the loop will add all our support too!
Teresa
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/99 10:07:49 AM Central Daylight Time, Hsmotgo@...
writes:
<< However, if that is
what their idea of love and concern is, then I would be happy to show my
love
and concern for their children, as I certainly love their kids as much as
they love mine. Course, if the ones that are doing that don't have kids, I
would have to leave out the last part!! >>
Most of them have grown kids with kids of their own (none are homeschooling,
except for by brother and his wife. They are doing school-at-home using
Abeka. My parents approve of their homeschooling because my sister in law
went to college planning to be a teacher.
They have even fixed up a school room in their home. It has a big teachers
desk that faces her "students" desk and comes complete with a black board and
a flag for saying the Pledge to Allegiance in the morning. My parents think
it is great!). Unfortunately, none of those remarks are helping yet. They
may back off for a while, all in a huff that I even got upset at them, but
then in a few weeks they are back to their old behavior. LOL
There is just no winning the situation!
Tami IN
writes:
<< However, if that is
what their idea of love and concern is, then I would be happy to show my
love
and concern for their children, as I certainly love their kids as much as
they love mine. Course, if the ones that are doing that don't have kids, I
would have to leave out the last part!! >>
Most of them have grown kids with kids of their own (none are homeschooling,
except for by brother and his wife. They are doing school-at-home using
Abeka. My parents approve of their homeschooling because my sister in law
went to college planning to be a teacher.
They have even fixed up a school room in their home. It has a big teachers
desk that faces her "students" desk and comes complete with a black board and
a flag for saying the Pledge to Allegiance in the morning. My parents think
it is great!). Unfortunately, none of those remarks are helping yet. They
may back off for a while, all in a huff that I even got upset at them, but
then in a few weeks they are back to their old behavior. LOL
There is just no winning the situation!
Tami IN
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/4/99 9:33:15 AM PST, FreeSchool@... writes:
<< They have even fixed up a school room in their home. It has a big
teachers
desk that faces her "students" desk and comes complete with a black board
and >>
I hope I don't offend anyone (assuming I won't since this is, afterall, an
unschooling list) but that style always seemed to unnatural and militant to
be. As a mother it would seem so unnatural to sit at a desk in front of my
kids and "teach". Kinda un nurturing.
When we do anything remotely structured, its usually around kitchen table or
with one on my lap and doing it together.
Christina
<< They have even fixed up a school room in their home. It has a big
teachers
desk that faces her "students" desk and comes complete with a black board
and >>
I hope I don't offend anyone (assuming I won't since this is, afterall, an
unschooling list) but that style always seemed to unnatural and militant to
be. As a mother it would seem so unnatural to sit at a desk in front of my
kids and "teach". Kinda un nurturing.
When we do anything remotely structured, its usually around kitchen table or
with one on my lap and doing it together.
Christina
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/4/99 12:33:15 PM EST, FreeSchool@... writes:
<< They have even fixed up a school room in their home. It has a big
teachers
desk that faces her "students" desk and comes complete with a black board
and
a flag for saying the Pledge to Allegiance in the morning. >>
Tami,
LOL! Not that the situation is funny, but, I did the exact same thing when
I started out 6 years ago! Went to toys R Us and got the little desks, and
got the Konos curriculum, the whole nine yards, yep, had the flag too. That
lasted about 2 months and I was bonkers!!! I could not handle Konos, no way
could I do Abecka.
Everyone is different in how they interact with their families, I have
always been the black sheep of mine, I walk my walk, and do my thing, and
don't give a rats behind if anyone including and especially my family likes
it or not. They tend to not mess with me and we get along fine, but that is
me, not you and you have to find your way as you go and grow. But, rest
assured, you have lots of friends here that you can scream kick and generally
ventilate to!!!
Teresa ; >
<< They have even fixed up a school room in their home. It has a big
teachers
desk that faces her "students" desk and comes complete with a black board
and
a flag for saying the Pledge to Allegiance in the morning. >>
Tami,
LOL! Not that the situation is funny, but, I did the exact same thing when
I started out 6 years ago! Went to toys R Us and got the little desks, and
got the Konos curriculum, the whole nine yards, yep, had the flag too. That
lasted about 2 months and I was bonkers!!! I could not handle Konos, no way
could I do Abecka.
Everyone is different in how they interact with their families, I have
always been the black sheep of mine, I walk my walk, and do my thing, and
don't give a rats behind if anyone including and especially my family likes
it or not. They tend to not mess with me and we get along fine, but that is
me, not you and you have to find your way as you go and grow. But, rest
assured, you have lots of friends here that you can scream kick and generally
ventilate to!!!
Teresa ; >
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/99 4:52:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
Pinderscmb@... writes:
<< My MIL is a retired school teacher and she is supportive of my
homeschooling
the kids, however, she does tend to quiz them when I am not around. One day
she came up to me and said that my 9 yo dd should know her multiplication
tables and that she needed to work on them. I told her that I did not
believe in memorizing them (she is a retired highschool math teacher). I
told her that I felt it was more important for Sarah to understand what
multiplication was and how to figure out the answer and that eventually she
would have them memorized just from repetition. My FIL was in the room and
he has a Ph.D. in physics. He came to my rescue and completely agreed with
me. I thought that was great. He said some of the best mathematicians
still
didn't have them memorized. He said learning math theory and the language
of
math was far more important. >>
Cindy,
That is great! I wish my father had come to my rescue, unfortunately he
agrees with my mother. They also get on me about teaching multipication
facts, and they hate it that I don't believe in it! My mother taught 4th
grade, and my dad taught junior high math! Oh well, I guess I will just have
to learn how to handle my parents! *sigh*
Tami IN
Pinderscmb@... writes:
<< My MIL is a retired school teacher and she is supportive of my
homeschooling
the kids, however, she does tend to quiz them when I am not around. One day
she came up to me and said that my 9 yo dd should know her multiplication
tables and that she needed to work on them. I told her that I did not
believe in memorizing them (she is a retired highschool math teacher). I
told her that I felt it was more important for Sarah to understand what
multiplication was and how to figure out the answer and that eventually she
would have them memorized just from repetition. My FIL was in the room and
he has a Ph.D. in physics. He came to my rescue and completely agreed with
me. I thought that was great. He said some of the best mathematicians
still
didn't have them memorized. He said learning math theory and the language
of
math was far more important. >>
Cindy,
That is great! I wish my father had come to my rescue, unfortunately he
agrees with my mother. They also get on me about teaching multipication
facts, and they hate it that I don't believe in it! My mother taught 4th
grade, and my dad taught junior high math! Oh well, I guess I will just have
to learn how to handle my parents! *sigh*
Tami IN
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/99 11:04:18 PM Central Daylight Time, Hsmotgo@...
writes:
<< Sorry to hear this about your family. That must be so hard. But I am
glad
to hear that your husband is giving you so much support. Just hang in there
and we here on the loop will add all our support too!
Teresa >>
Teresa,
Thanks, I need that. As I said in an earlier post, there aren't any
unschoolers (at least any that I have met) around my area. One reason that I
am having a tough time believing in what I do, is that I feel so alone.This
loop is my lifeline right now. I need your support!
Tami IN
writes:
<< Sorry to hear this about your family. That must be so hard. But I am
glad
to hear that your husband is giving you so much support. Just hang in there
and we here on the loop will add all our support too!
Teresa >>
Teresa,
Thanks, I need that. As I said in an earlier post, there aren't any
unschoolers (at least any that I have met) around my area. One reason that I
am having a tough time believing in what I do, is that I feel so alone.This
loop is my lifeline right now. I need your support!
Tami IN
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/4/99 11:01:24 PM PST, FreeSchool@... writes:
<<
Cindy,
That is great! I wish my father had come to my rescue, unfortunately
he
agrees with my mother. They also get on me about teaching multipication
facts, and they hate it that I don't believe in it! My mother taught 4th
grade, and my dad taught junior high math! Oh well, I guess I will just
have
to learn how to handle my parents! *sigh*
Tami IN
(They send over TONS of stuff fromt their school district, constantly...) I
have asked them to be involved in my children's education, in areas of their
own expertise. SO - my mil now comes once a week and teaches the younger 2
accordian (they love it) and she teaches my oldest dd violin (who also loves
it). Her forte is music... I always tell her how much I appreciate it, how
their math skills have improved dramatically since starting music lessons,
etc... She feels like at least they are getting SOME education, harumph. <g>
My fil is way into guns and knives and collecting. He taught my military -
minded son how to take care of a gun, gun safety, shooting and aiming, etc.
He has talked to him about the history of some guns, which has led to my son
learning about some other countries, and THEIR weaponry. Currently he is
fascinated by medieval times and THEIR weaponry... I know, I hate guns too
--- wouldn't have one in my house. BUT this passion of fil's has led to a
well rounded education for my son....
Mary
<<
Cindy,
That is great! I wish my father had come to my rescue, unfortunately
he
agrees with my mother. They also get on me about teaching multipication
facts, and they hate it that I don't believe in it! My mother taught 4th
grade, and my dad taught junior high math! Oh well, I guess I will just
have
to learn how to handle my parents! *sigh*
Tami IN
>>One thing that has been very effective for me, when the inlaws get antsy.
(They send over TONS of stuff fromt their school district, constantly...) I
have asked them to be involved in my children's education, in areas of their
own expertise. SO - my mil now comes once a week and teaches the younger 2
accordian (they love it) and she teaches my oldest dd violin (who also loves
it). Her forte is music... I always tell her how much I appreciate it, how
their math skills have improved dramatically since starting music lessons,
etc... She feels like at least they are getting SOME education, harumph. <g>
My fil is way into guns and knives and collecting. He taught my military -
minded son how to take care of a gun, gun safety, shooting and aiming, etc.
He has talked to him about the history of some guns, which has led to my son
learning about some other countries, and THEIR weaponry. Currently he is
fascinated by medieval times and THEIR weaponry... I know, I hate guns too
--- wouldn't have one in my house. BUT this passion of fil's has led to a
well rounded education for my son....
Mary
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/5/99 2:41:18 AM EST, FreeSchool@... writes:
<< This
loop is my lifeline right now. I need your support! >>
Tami,
You got it girl!!
Teresa
<< This
loop is my lifeline right now. I need your support! >>
Tami,
You got it girl!!
Teresa
Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall
This loop is my lifeline right now. I need your support!
Nanci K. in Idaho
>Tami INI'll second that!
Nanci K. in Idaho
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/5/99 9:18:20 AM Central Daylight Time, LammiesX6@...
writes:
<< my mil now comes once a week and teaches the younger 2
accordian (they love it) and she teaches my oldest dd violin (who also loves
it). Her forte is music... I always tell her how much I appreciate it, how
their math skills have improved dramatically since starting music lessons,
etc... She feels like at least they are getting SOME education, harumph. <g
I had a friend who suggested that I try that with my parents, so I went
to them and asked them how they felt about it. My mom decided that she
wanted to teach them history, while my dad said that he wanted to teach them
math. So I took them over and we tried to start doing this. Well, my dad
only harped on how much my kids should already know and that I wasn't making
them spend enough hours per week on their math books. My mother was upset
about us not doing "state" history yet with my (then) 4th grader (as 4th
grade here is the year they learn all about our state history). Then they
wanted to know how much we pulled out spelling books and English books as she
wasn't happy with their spelling and grammar skills while they wrote her
reports. Then she went on to gripe about how my 4th grader should be doing
cursive by now, and by the way, what textbooks do we use for science? I
tried to calmly explain (again!) that we don't use textbooks, and the only
ones I had for them was for math. This is course, brought on alot of
yelling, since they have given me tons of public school textbooks for all
grades and subjects. I had to admit that yes, we still have them, but they
are put away in a closet and we don't use them.! My parents were furious, my
kids crying and begging me not to make them go to grandmas and grandpas
anymore, which just made my parents more angry, as they blamed that on me as
well (Couldn't they see that their attitude about my kids and school work
were pushing them away?). I just had to quit, I couldn't handle it.
Needless to say, my kids are not being taught anything by their grandparents
any more.
Do you know what the really tough thing is about all of this?
Regardless of how upset I get on the way they treat me and the kids, I really
love them! When I am feeling this way, or admitting to other people what I
am going through, I feel guilty! I feel like I am being disrespectful about
my parents!.. However, I tried being respectful for 35 years, and they used
it to control my life. I tried to pull away, nicely, but they wouldn't let
go. So finally, I made it clear that I want to control my own life, and they
get mad and I feel guilty! I don't get it!
Tami IN
writes:
<< my mil now comes once a week and teaches the younger 2
accordian (they love it) and she teaches my oldest dd violin (who also loves
it). Her forte is music... I always tell her how much I appreciate it, how
their math skills have improved dramatically since starting music lessons,
etc... She feels like at least they are getting SOME education, harumph. <g
>>Mary,
I had a friend who suggested that I try that with my parents, so I went
to them and asked them how they felt about it. My mom decided that she
wanted to teach them history, while my dad said that he wanted to teach them
math. So I took them over and we tried to start doing this. Well, my dad
only harped on how much my kids should already know and that I wasn't making
them spend enough hours per week on their math books. My mother was upset
about us not doing "state" history yet with my (then) 4th grader (as 4th
grade here is the year they learn all about our state history). Then they
wanted to know how much we pulled out spelling books and English books as she
wasn't happy with their spelling and grammar skills while they wrote her
reports. Then she went on to gripe about how my 4th grader should be doing
cursive by now, and by the way, what textbooks do we use for science? I
tried to calmly explain (again!) that we don't use textbooks, and the only
ones I had for them was for math. This is course, brought on alot of
yelling, since they have given me tons of public school textbooks for all
grades and subjects. I had to admit that yes, we still have them, but they
are put away in a closet and we don't use them.! My parents were furious, my
kids crying and begging me not to make them go to grandmas and grandpas
anymore, which just made my parents more angry, as they blamed that on me as
well (Couldn't they see that their attitude about my kids and school work
were pushing them away?). I just had to quit, I couldn't handle it.
Needless to say, my kids are not being taught anything by their grandparents
any more.
Do you know what the really tough thing is about all of this?
Regardless of how upset I get on the way they treat me and the kids, I really
love them! When I am feeling this way, or admitting to other people what I
am going through, I feel guilty! I feel like I am being disrespectful about
my parents!.. However, I tried being respectful for 35 years, and they used
it to control my life. I tried to pull away, nicely, but they wouldn't let
go. So finally, I made it clear that I want to control my own life, and they
get mad and I feel guilty! I don't get it!
Tami IN
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/5/99 10:50:35 AM Central Daylight Time, Hsmotgo@...
writes:
<< You got it girl!!
Teresa >>
Thanks Teresa! I will remind you of that, when you get tired of hearing
from me in a few weeks. *grin*
Tami IN
writes:
<< You got it girl!!
Teresa >>
Thanks Teresa! I will remind you of that, when you get tired of hearing
from me in a few weeks. *grin*
Tami IN
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/5/99 11:59:17 AM PST, FreeSchool@... writes:
<< My mother was upset
about us not doing "state" history yet with my (then) 4th grader (as 4th
grade here is the year they learn all about our state history). Then they
wanted to know how much we pulled out spelling books and English books as
she
wasn't happy with their spelling and grammar skills while they wrote her
reports. >>
See, now here is the method I would have used...
Mom - we are going to XYZ museum today, and they have a great exhibit on
Ancient Egyptian History - could you come along and share with us stuff you
might know that the museum doesn't have listed?? Dad, How did they use math
in those days? Did they have calculators or something?
Incorporate them INTO the learning, but still do the learning YOUR way...
does that make sense??
Mary
<< My mother was upset
about us not doing "state" history yet with my (then) 4th grader (as 4th
grade here is the year they learn all about our state history). Then they
wanted to know how much we pulled out spelling books and English books as
she
wasn't happy with their spelling and grammar skills while they wrote her
reports. >>
See, now here is the method I would have used...
Mom - we are going to XYZ museum today, and they have a great exhibit on
Ancient Egyptian History - could you come along and share with us stuff you
might know that the museum doesn't have listed?? Dad, How did they use math
in those days? Did they have calculators or something?
Incorporate them INTO the learning, but still do the learning YOUR way...
does that make sense??
Mary
[email protected]
LOL, don't even worry about it!! ; >
Teresa
Teresa
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/5/99 8:38:28 PM Central Daylight Time, LammiesX6@...
writes:
<< See, now here is the method I would have used...
Mom - we are going to XYZ museum today, and they have a great exhibit on
Ancient Egyptian History - could you come along and share with us stuff you
might know that the museum doesn't have listed?? Dad, How did they use math
in those days? Did they have calculators or something?
Incorporate them INTO the learning, but still do the learning YOUR way...
does that make sense?? >>
Mary,
Yet, it actually makes alot of sense. I hadn't thought of doing it that
way. I think I will give that a try and see how it works. Thanks.
Tami
writes:
<< See, now here is the method I would have used...
Mom - we are going to XYZ museum today, and they have a great exhibit on
Ancient Egyptian History - could you come along and share with us stuff you
might know that the museum doesn't have listed?? Dad, How did they use math
in those days? Did they have calculators or something?
Incorporate them INTO the learning, but still do the learning YOUR way...
does that make sense?? >>
Mary,
Yet, it actually makes alot of sense. I hadn't thought of doing it that
way. I think I will give that a try and see how it works. Thanks.
Tami
[email protected]
<< Do you know what the really tough thing is about all of this?
Regardless of how upset I get on the way they treat me and the kids, I really
love them! When I am feeling this way, or admitting to other people what I
am going through, I feel guilty! I feel like I am being disrespectful about
my parents!.. >>
Would they read any unschooling books?
Do you have any of those back issues of GWS which have stories of late
bloomers, later readers, etc, that you could lend them?
Regardless of how upset I get on the way they treat me and the kids, I really
love them! When I am feeling this way, or admitting to other people what I
am going through, I feel guilty! I feel like I am being disrespectful about
my parents!.. >>
Would they read any unschooling books?
Do you have any of those back issues of GWS which have stories of late
bloomers, later readers, etc, that you could lend them?