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I have some clarifications:
-=-The
original Hebrew tells us that Jesus is the son of God, not just a son of
God. As for interpertation, I am a Babtist and I take the Bible literally. --
The New Testament was never in Hebrew. It was in Aramaic and Greek.
(And it's "Baptist," as in "baptize." )
-=-And it has been translated many many times.-=-
Even a single translation is always problematical. It's not many
translations from the original, as most translations are done with the
original language versions (Hebrew for the Old Testament and Greek for the
New) at hand, along with the Latin texts which have been used for many years
(as secondary, not the primary source).
These things are worth knowing--not just for Christians to know, but for
anyone who lives in any English-speaking country to know, in which the King
James Bible is quoted (sometimes mistaken for Shakespeare, sometimes
vice-versa) ALL the time, and so much of the culture is related to the
hundreds of years of Christianity which pervade European history. It's not
just religion, it's our children's heritage.
It might be a waste of time to say "Yes it is" and "No it's not" about
literalism or Jesus/God/sin/Biblical-bases-for-corporal-punishment, but those
discussions WILL recur, because unschooling is criticized within the
Christian homeschooling community and even if non-Christian unschoolers can
avoid knowing that, Christian unschoolers cannot. And if we're not honest
with ourselves about the difficulties unschoolers face when they're also
fundamentalist (or even middle-of-road) Protestants, we're ignoring the
plight of a large group of unschoolers.
There's a new book out about Christian unschooling, and there are websites
and discussion groups. At http://expage.com/unschoolingotherwise (which is
one of my pages) there are links. If any of you here would like to send me
other links to include I'd be glad to put them there too (Christian or pagan
or whatever related to unschooling).
Sandra
-=-The
original Hebrew tells us that Jesus is the son of God, not just a son of
God. As for interpertation, I am a Babtist and I take the Bible literally. --
The New Testament was never in Hebrew. It was in Aramaic and Greek.
(And it's "Baptist," as in "baptize." )
-=-And it has been translated many many times.-=-
Even a single translation is always problematical. It's not many
translations from the original, as most translations are done with the
original language versions (Hebrew for the Old Testament and Greek for the
New) at hand, along with the Latin texts which have been used for many years
(as secondary, not the primary source).
These things are worth knowing--not just for Christians to know, but for
anyone who lives in any English-speaking country to know, in which the King
James Bible is quoted (sometimes mistaken for Shakespeare, sometimes
vice-versa) ALL the time, and so much of the culture is related to the
hundreds of years of Christianity which pervade European history. It's not
just religion, it's our children's heritage.
It might be a waste of time to say "Yes it is" and "No it's not" about
literalism or Jesus/God/sin/Biblical-bases-for-corporal-punishment, but those
discussions WILL recur, because unschooling is criticized within the
Christian homeschooling community and even if non-Christian unschoolers can
avoid knowing that, Christian unschoolers cannot. And if we're not honest
with ourselves about the difficulties unschoolers face when they're also
fundamentalist (or even middle-of-road) Protestants, we're ignoring the
plight of a large group of unschoolers.
There's a new book out about Christian unschooling, and there are websites
and discussion groups. At http://expage.com/unschoolingotherwise (which is
one of my pages) there are links. If any of you here would like to send me
other links to include I'd be glad to put them there too (Christian or pagan
or whatever related to unschooling).
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/24/01 7:30:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< It might be a waste of time to say "Yes it is" and "No it's not" about
literalism or Jesus/God/sin/Biblical-bases-for-corporal-punishment, but
those
discussions WILL recur, because unschooling is criticized within the
Christian homeschooling community and even if non-Christian unschoolers can
avoid knowing that, Christian unschoolers cannot. And if we're not honest
with ourselves about the difficulties unschoolers face when they're also
fundamentalist (or even middle-of-road) Protestants, we're ignoring the
plight of a large group of unschoolers.
As usual, you know your stuff. Thank you. I feel like a square peg in a
round hole caught between a rock and a hard place. (mixing of metaphors
intentional) I catch it from both sides. I'm too liberal for my fellow
believers and too conservative for my liberal friends. The hardest to take
is the suspicion from both sides, from Christians when they learn I'm a
non-spanking, attachment parenting unschooler and from non-Christians when
they learn I'm a Christian.
I run an email list for Christian unschoolers because I think they find
themselves feeling alone out there. I make it clear that it's open to anyone
interested in hearing what we have to talk about, any religion or lack
thereof, conservative or liberal but that the basic tenets of the Christian
faith be respected. Considering the wide range of biblical interpretations
remarkably few squabbles erupt. Many of the members really school at home
but I think they gain a lot from the unschoolers.
You did an excellent job of presenting the way I feel. It was excellent to
see it expressed.
Kris
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< It might be a waste of time to say "Yes it is" and "No it's not" about
literalism or Jesus/God/sin/Biblical-bases-for-corporal-punishment, but
those
discussions WILL recur, because unschooling is criticized within the
Christian homeschooling community and even if non-Christian unschoolers can
avoid knowing that, Christian unschoolers cannot. And if we're not honest
with ourselves about the difficulties unschoolers face when they're also
fundamentalist (or even middle-of-road) Protestants, we're ignoring the
plight of a large group of unschoolers.
>>Sandra
As usual, you know your stuff. Thank you. I feel like a square peg in a
round hole caught between a rock and a hard place. (mixing of metaphors
intentional) I catch it from both sides. I'm too liberal for my fellow
believers and too conservative for my liberal friends. The hardest to take
is the suspicion from both sides, from Christians when they learn I'm a
non-spanking, attachment parenting unschooler and from non-Christians when
they learn I'm a Christian.
I run an email list for Christian unschoolers because I think they find
themselves feeling alone out there. I make it clear that it's open to anyone
interested in hearing what we have to talk about, any religion or lack
thereof, conservative or liberal but that the basic tenets of the Christian
faith be respected. Considering the wide range of biblical interpretations
remarkably few squabbles erupt. Many of the members really school at home
but I think they gain a lot from the unschoolers.
You did an excellent job of presenting the way I feel. It was excellent to
see it expressed.
Kris
[email protected]
In a message dated 01/24/2001 7:30:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< unschooling is criticized within the
Christian homeschooling community and even if non-Christian unschoolers can
avoid knowing that, Christian unschoolers cannot. And if we're not honest
with ourselves about the difficulties unschoolers face when they're also
fundamentalist (or even middle-of-road) Protestants, we're ignoring the
plight of a large group of unschoolers. >>
Thank you Sandra, I can't tell you how much that means to me. We often feel
that we get it from both sides:(
Teri
Co-author of <A HREF="http://www.championpress.com/unschoolingmain.html">
Christian Unschooling: growing your child in the freedom of Christ</A>
Pre-order's available now!
Assistant Editor of <A HREF="http://www.egroups.com/group/Seedling">eGroups :
Seedling</A>
For more information see:
<A HREF="http://www.inspirit.com.au/unschooling/default.htm">Homeschooling -
Christian Unschooling - Natural Learning</A>
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< unschooling is criticized within the
Christian homeschooling community and even if non-Christian unschoolers can
avoid knowing that, Christian unschoolers cannot. And if we're not honest
with ourselves about the difficulties unschoolers face when they're also
fundamentalist (or even middle-of-road) Protestants, we're ignoring the
plight of a large group of unschoolers. >>
Thank you Sandra, I can't tell you how much that means to me. We often feel
that we get it from both sides:(
Teri
Co-author of <A HREF="http://www.championpress.com/unschoolingmain.html">
Christian Unschooling: growing your child in the freedom of Christ</A>
Pre-order's available now!
Assistant Editor of <A HREF="http://www.egroups.com/group/Seedling">eGroups :
Seedling</A>
For more information see:
<A HREF="http://www.inspirit.com.au/unschooling/default.htm">Homeschooling -
Christian Unschooling - Natural Learning</A>
Sonia Ulan
Hi Kris;
I can relate to what you're saying here:
non-Catholic) one, and I don't spank either.
I can relate to what you're saying here:
>I too am a Christian, and even a very traditional (non-Protestant,
> As usual, you know your stuff. Thank you. I feel like a square peg in a
> round hole caught between a rock and a hard place. (mixing of metaphors
> intentional) I catch it from both sides. I'm too liberal for my fellow
> believers and too conservative for my liberal friends. The hardest to take
> is the suspicion from both sides, from Christians when they learn I'm a
> non-spanking, attachment parenting unschooler and from non-Christians when
> they learn I'm a Christian.
>
>
> Kris
non-Catholic) one, and I don't spank either.
Erin M
>I have some clarifications:I admit I messed up on the Hebrew, but I was not saying that I am a Babtist
>
>-=-The
>
>original Hebrew tells us that Jesus is the son of God, not just a son of
>
>God. As for interpertation, I am a Babtist and I take the Bible literally.
>--
>
>The New Testament was never in Hebrew. It was in Aramaic and Greek.
>(And it's "Baptist," as in "baptize." )
-because- I take that Bible literally, just that I am a Babtist -and- I take
the Bible literally.
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