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In a message dated 12/28/00 7:10:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:


. I
feel just as thankful for the food aninimal and
vegetable that offers its life so I may live.



Samantha, can i ask how you can be sure an animal is giving its life
voluntarily?  I know in aboriginal cultures there are understandings with the
earth about giving and receiving between humankind and animal life (as well
as the earth and plants), but aren't we far removed from this beautiful
concept?  I trust you are not referring to grocery store bought meats?
Factory farming most certainly removes any relationship of trust between
humans and animals.

peace back to you,
cath

Samantha Stopple

> Samantha, can i ask how you can be sure an animal is
> giving its life
> voluntarily?
I never said an animal gives its life voluntarily. I
am not sure there is any way you could know that for
sure in every case. Native Stories say some animals
gave up their lives willingly. As well as there are
stories that the fish are in the water for the people
to eat. I am reading a few books currently by Joseph
Bruchac that talk a little about this. I know in
aboriginal cultures there
> are understandings with the
> earth about giving and receiving between humankind
> and animal life (as well
> as the earth and plants), but aren't we far removed
> from this beautiful
> concept?
I don't think the relationship aboriginal cultures had
and still have with nature is just a beautiful
concept. We are a part of the web of life we always
have been and always will be. Thats what I am learning
from the Wilderness Awareness School that I am just as
much a part of the natural world as the chickadee is.

Does that answer you question? Or are you responding
more to my snail removal policy?

Peace,
Samantha

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Lynda

The American Indian beliefs have to do with the respect one shows as a
recipient of the food. That includes a state of mind in acknowledging that
the animal/plant gave its life to feed you. It includes not taking in
greed/gluteny. You only take what you need and respect the giver and their
gift.

Also, for the vegetarians, by not eating meat does not excuse them from the
"death" cycle. The American Indian believes that all things are living
beings and have a right to that same respect and lack of greed/gluteny.

One does not have to do the actual killing of animal/plant to offer them/it
respect/prayer/apology for taking their life.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Samantha Stopple" <sammimag@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] for samantha re: animals


>
>
> > Samantha, can i ask how you can be sure an animal is
> > giving its life
> > voluntarily?
> I never said an animal gives its life voluntarily. I
> am not sure there is any way you could know that for
> sure in every case. Native Stories say some animals
> gave up their lives willingly. As well as there are
> stories that the fish are in the water for the people
> to eat. I am reading a few books currently by Joseph
> Bruchac that talk a little about this. I know in
> aboriginal cultures there
> > are understandings with the
> > earth about giving and receiving between humankind
> > and animal life (as well
> > as the earth and plants), but aren't we far removed
> > from this beautiful
> > concept?
> I don't think the relationship aboriginal cultures had
> and still have with nature is just a beautiful
> concept. We are a part of the web of life we always
> have been and always will be. Thats what I am learning
> from the Wilderness Awareness School that I am just as
> much a part of the natural world as the chickadee is.
>
> Does that answer you question? Or are you responding
> more to my snail removal policy?
>
> Peace,
> Samantha
>
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