metta

Congratulations to unschooling.com... July parenting site of the month on
the Natural Child website: http://www.naturalchild.com/home/

Good work!

Thea

Lisa Bugg

Thank you Thea! It was such a surprise! We haven't worked too awfully hard
at making sure the rest of the world knows we are here. Serving the current
unschooling community has been our focus, and of course will remain our
primary focus. Still though, it was great to be noticed by someone else!

Lisa
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From: metta <metta@...>
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Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 12:14 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parenting site of the month


> From: "metta" <metta@...>
>
> Congratulations to unschooling.com... July parenting site of the month
on
> the Natural Child website: http://www.naturalchild.com/home/
>
> Good work!
>
> Thea
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interesting site, thanks!

checked out John Holt's : Objections to hsing
--Melanie, might want to copy this for DH

Diana


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From: "metta" <metta@...>
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To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parenting site of the month
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:14:52 -0700

From: "metta" <metta@...>

Congratulations to unschooling.com... July parenting site of the month on
the Natural Child website: http://www.naturalchild.com/home/

Good work!

Thea

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> checked out John Holt's : Objections to hsing
> --Melanie, might want to copy this for DH

Diana,
Where did you find this? I'd like to read it.
Ann

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I just joined this loop after hsing for a couple of years... my girls are 5,
7 and 1... I have a question for anyone open to answer it... In our
homeschooling support group one of our contributions to the group is to plan
an activity/field trip per semester. I really want to plan one on the
Holocaust for a variety of reason... I'm sensing indifference from my 7 year
old, at just the beginning of my research... this infuriates me... I'm being
unrealisitic (kick me.. I know! :-) But this is important to me and I
believe she needs to know about this. Perhaps with further research it may
pique (sp? right word even?) her interest...

Thoughts...? Comments?
Kathie

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In a message dated 7/12/99 1:06:28 PM, you wrote:

<<I believe the
Holocaust museum in Washington doesn't recommend visits from people
startling much younger than 12 and that sounds right to me.>>

Perhaps I should have stated that I had NO intention of bringing my daughter
to something like the holocaust museum,etc... Just to bring it up in the same
respect that we talk about other awful issues-- slavery, etc. She's well
aware of many stories of slavery, as we in the "deep South"... I had no
intention of showing her pictures, making her watch Schindler's list, reading
Anne Frank or anything else....







I should have clarified this... I'm sorry...

Kathie

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In a message dated 99-07-12 14:06:29 EDT, you write:

<< I honestly think a 7 yo is too young to study the Holocaust. I'm not
saying
it shouldn't be mentioned but I think anything much more than that needs to
wait. It's just too horrific. What you're interpreting as indifference from
your child may be a self-protective mechanism that IMO is entirely
justified. >>

Some movies may be appropriate, one of them being A Friendship in Vienna.
But, to me 7 is way to soon.... You're right they need to know.... But 7 is
young IMHO

Charlotte

Andi Kaufman

kathie wrote:
I have a question for anyone open to answer it... In our
>homeschooling support group one of our contributions to the group is to plan
>an activity/field trip per semester. I really want to plan one on the
>Holocaust for a variety of reason... I'm sensing indifference from my 7 year
>old, at just the beginning of my research... this infuriates me... I'm being
>unrealisitic (kick me.. I know! :-) But this is important to me and I
>believe she needs to know about this. Perhaps with further research it may
>pique (sp? right word even?) her interest...

needs to know. yes! but at what age and in what way. I do not think that a
child of 7 needs to know about the holocaust. Of course if she was
interested I would do it.

The holocaust is the hostory of unimaginable terror. unless there is a
reason for her to learn it I would wait. At 7 isaac was learning bits and
pieces about the holocaust. it is introduced in the jewish religion very
early. we have many references to it in our prayer books. SO the word was
familiar to him. I answered the questions slowly but did not give out more
info then he needed at the time. I do not yet think he needs to see the
pictures of starving children or the mass graves.

Andi...domestic goddess and active volunteer
mom to Isaac
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Diana Asberry

Ann:
Credits go to "Metta" who sent:
From: "metta" <metta@...>

Congratulations to unschooling.com... July parenting site of
the month on
the Natural Child website: http://www.naturalchild.com/home/

It's in their table of contents...I found it by poking around...
Diana


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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parenting site of the month
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:28:28 -0400

From: "A.Y." <hooperck@...>

> checked out John Holt's : Objections to hsing
> --Melanie, might want to copy this for DH

Diana,
Where did you find this? I'd like to read it.
Ann


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IMHO, I'd introduce her to the topic of diaries & Anne Frank. (my 6 yo is
very hands on type learner-can't grasp tragedies such as war, slavery &
murder, etc) My MIL has a porcelain replica of the Anne Frank house.
Something that would interest my dd would be the hiding places people
used....
my 2 cents,
Diana


----Original Message Follows----
From: KSeebose@...
<<I believe the
Holocaust museum in Washington doesn't recommend visits from people
startling much younger than 12 and that sounds right to me.>>

Perhaps I should have stated that I had NO intention of bringing my daughter
to something like the holocaust museum,etc... Just to bring it up in the
same
respect that we talk about other awful issues-- slavery, etc. She's well
aware of many stories of slavery, as we in the "deep South"... I had no
intention of showing her pictures, making her watch Schindler's list,
reading
Anne Frank or anything else....
should have clarified this... I'm sorry...

Kathie

Lisa Bugg

Kathie, why would you want to introduce this topic to a child of seven? I
can hardly assimilate the enormity of this part of history. A 7 year old
will be defenseless in coping with these kind of events. I see no reason
to ask her to deal with this.

My oldest child ran into the topic at nearly 12. She had friends visiting
us and we lived near DC at the time. They had planned a trip to the
Holocaust museum. Sara went and she literally walked around the house in a
daze for 3 solid days. It took months to process what she had been exposed
to.

I agree the kids should be exposed, but 7 seems way to little, to tender to
me.

Lisa

> From: KSeebose@...
>
I really want to plan one on the
> Holocaust for a variety of reason... I'm sensing indifference from my 7
year
> old, at just the beginning of my research... this infuriates me... I'm
being
> unrealisitic (kick me.. I know! :-) > Kathie
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I had no
> intention of showing her pictures, making her watch Schindler's list,
reading
> Anne Frank or anything else....
>
>
Kathie, then I would take her resistance as a sign that she's really not
ready for this on a deep level. Trust the children to know what they are
ready for, even if it's just surface level knowledge to you.

I mentioned before about my daughter spending 3 days in a daze over her trip
to the Holocaust museum. This had an interesing legacy for us. From that
point on I could use it as an example of being exposed to something that was
beyond her. We talked quite a bit about not being able to go back to *not
knowing*. There have been times in her life since where I would say, once
you do this you won't ever not know again.... things like dates/boys/drugs/
and other adult issues. Each time it's been her deicion, but I have seen
her choose to hang on to her little girlhood and choose to NOT KNOW
something.

I think she's telling you she wants to stay a little girl for now. You
should trust her.

Lisa
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In a message dated 7/12/99 4:46:31 PM, you wrote:

<<I answered the questions slowly but did not give out more
info then he needed at the time. I do not yet think he needs to see the
pictures of starving children or the mass graves.>>

GOOD! GOOD! Exactly what I think... course I've developed this thought...
well today, after y'all's input.. Needed a great big sounding board...
kathie

Maura Seger

-----Original Message-----
From: KSeebose@... <KSeebose@...>



>From: KSeebose@...
>
>I just joined this loop after hsing for a couple of years... my girls are
5,
>7 and 1... I have a question for anyone open to answer it... In our
>homeschooling support group one of our contributions to the group is to
plan
>an activity/field trip per semester. I really want to plan one on the
>Holocaust for a variety of reason... I'm sensing indifference from my 7
year
>old, at just the beginning of my research... this infuriates me... I'm
being
>unrealisitic (kick me.. I know! :-) But this is important to me and I
>believe she needs to know about this. Perhaps with further research it may
>pique (sp? right word even?) her interest...
>
>Thoughts...? Comments?
>Kathie


I honestly think a 7 yo is too young to study the Holocaust. I'm not saying
it shouldn't be mentioned but I think anything much more than that needs to
wait. It's just too horrific. What you're interpreting as indifference from
your child may be a self-protective mechanism that IMO is entirely
justified.

My kids and I got into this around age 10, very carefully. I believe the
Holocaust museum in Washington doesn't recommend visits from people
startling much younger than 12 and that sounds right to me.

Maura