Fails?
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We hear all these tales on how unschooling, and h/s ing has
succeded. But, just as a matter of interest, are there any cases out
there where it failed? I mean really failed.
marianne
succeded. But, just as a matter of interest, are there any cases out
there where it failed? I mean really failed.
marianne
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Mmmm...I don't know. What would you consider failure?
A mechanic? An unhappy physicist who wishes he was a chef?
:-) Diane
A mechanic? An unhappy physicist who wishes he was a chef?
:-) Diane
> We hear all these tales on how unschooling, and h/s ing has
> succeded. But, just as a matter of interest, are there any cases out
> there where it failed? I mean really failed.
> marianne
Carolyn
I'll take a stab at that. I would probably consider that homeschooling
is failing my daughter if she never showed an interest in learning anything...
sort of like public schooling failures, you know?
Are there kids that seem to thrive better in a formal school environment? Stories?
Carolyn
cen46624@... wrote:
Mmmm...I don't know. What would you consider failure?A mechanic? An unhappy physicist who wishes he was a chef?
:-) Diane
> We hear all these tales on how unschooling, and h/s ing has
> succeded. But, just as a matter of interest, are there any cases out
> there where it failed? I mean really failed.
> marianne
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Susan (mother to 5 in Fla)
Having a conflict of oppinions with my daughter 16. When you wirte
a sentence refering to a chapter in a book like "In Chapter 13 the
character...." Is the word chapter capped?
And
when did they change the typing rules & only put a single space after
periods?
Guess
I must be showing my age. Thanks for any
help you can give me.
Lynda
According to HOW, "Nouns followed by numerals or
letters are capitalized except in the case of page, paragraph, line, size and
verse references. The word number is abbreviated except when it appears at
the beginning of a sentence."
Example: Uppercase: Flight 487; Invoice
B3721; Model 23D; Room 132.
Lowercase: page 3, paragraph 2; size
10.
The single space after a sentence is journalism
(newspapers, books, etc.), the double space is letter formatting.
Lynda
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> Having a conflict of oppinions with my daughter 16. When you wirte aNo, it's not.
> sentence refering to a chapter in a book like "In Chapter 13 the
> character...." Is the word chapter capped?
> And when did they change the typing rules & only put a single space afterThey changed it when we switched from monospace type (like a typewriter where
> periods?
every character is the same width) to variable space.
HTH
:-) Diane
Tracy Oldfield
There are the occasional stories of children being
withdrawn from school to hide signs of abuse, and I
consider the hot-housed ones, the Ruth lawrences of the
world, to be failures if they can only relate to the
academic (or whatever) world they've been produced for.
On these grounds, maybe I could include those who home
educate on strong religious or cultural grounds, and
keep their children segregated from other parts of
society. They're fit for their own society, but not
the world as a whole, though if that's good or bad, i'm
not sure.
JM2pW
Tracy
We hear all these tales on how unschooling, and h/s ing
has
succeded. But, just as a matter of interest, are there
any cases out
there where it failed? I mean really failed.
marianne
withdrawn from school to hide signs of abuse, and I
consider the hot-housed ones, the Ruth lawrences of the
world, to be failures if they can only relate to the
academic (or whatever) world they've been produced for.
On these grounds, maybe I could include those who home
educate on strong religious or cultural grounds, and
keep their children segregated from other parts of
society. They're fit for their own society, but not
the world as a whole, though if that's good or bad, i'm
not sure.
JM2pW
Tracy
We hear all these tales on how unschooling, and h/s ing
has
succeded. But, just as a matter of interest, are there
any cases out
there where it failed? I mean really failed.
marianne
Mac and Carol Brown
Well, I haven't heard of any serial axe murderers, nor any NZ Prime
Ministers or Ministers of Finance - yet <g>. But even if there were, would
that mean unschooling was at fault? Can we blame *anything* solely on school
or unschooling or mothers or fathers or yellow underwear or lemonade or
rotton tomatos?
All we can do is our best for our children. I believe that that means
allowing them them the freedom to make their own mistakes and learn from
them. Personally, I believe that the more freedom a person has as a child
(within the bounds of them not harming others), the less likely they are to
become bad / unhappy / unkind / anti-social / destrucive people. But then,
my definition of success is to do with lives filled with generous helpings
of happiness, kindness, creativity, love, joy etc. But I can't prove any of
this.
If your definition of sucess and failure is to do with money / position /
power then of course there are unschooling failures. But I think I know you
better than that, Marianne.
Ultimately, our children will have to define success for themselves. Many of
us have come through our childhoods with a parent's definition attached and
have had a dreadful struggle to redefine the concepts of success, and many
other concepts, for ourselves. Along with with this hard work there has also
been, for a great many of us, bitterness about what our parent/s /teacher/s
did to us. This is because we learnt to be ordered and defined and arranged
by these people, which meant they were to blame when things went wrong - it
was someone else's fault. Until we learn to throw away the blaming, we can't
reach peace or acceptance, nor can we take positive action.
I hope, even though my children may chose paths that I would not have chosen
for them, that they will at least know that it is their own path, and that
they can choose to change paths at anytime, through their own thoughts and
actions. That they are responsible for themselves and their own actions,
thoughts and paths. I have made many mistakes with my children, but the
biggest mistakes have been when I have tried to make my children accept me
making decisions and choices for them, have tried to take responsibility
from them. Still, fortunately, they are all as stubborn as their mother <g>
Anyway, there's no 'proof' - I think unschooling is really an act of faith.
It's a good thing to believe in, IMO. Feels right to me.
Carol
tonitoni@... wrote:
Ministers or Ministers of Finance - yet <g>. But even if there were, would
that mean unschooling was at fault? Can we blame *anything* solely on school
or unschooling or mothers or fathers or yellow underwear or lemonade or
rotton tomatos?
All we can do is our best for our children. I believe that that means
allowing them them the freedom to make their own mistakes and learn from
them. Personally, I believe that the more freedom a person has as a child
(within the bounds of them not harming others), the less likely they are to
become bad / unhappy / unkind / anti-social / destrucive people. But then,
my definition of success is to do with lives filled with generous helpings
of happiness, kindness, creativity, love, joy etc. But I can't prove any of
this.
If your definition of sucess and failure is to do with money / position /
power then of course there are unschooling failures. But I think I know you
better than that, Marianne.
Ultimately, our children will have to define success for themselves. Many of
us have come through our childhoods with a parent's definition attached and
have had a dreadful struggle to redefine the concepts of success, and many
other concepts, for ourselves. Along with with this hard work there has also
been, for a great many of us, bitterness about what our parent/s /teacher/s
did to us. This is because we learnt to be ordered and defined and arranged
by these people, which meant they were to blame when things went wrong - it
was someone else's fault. Until we learn to throw away the blaming, we can't
reach peace or acceptance, nor can we take positive action.
I hope, even though my children may chose paths that I would not have chosen
for them, that they will at least know that it is their own path, and that
they can choose to change paths at anytime, through their own thoughts and
actions. That they are responsible for themselves and their own actions,
thoughts and paths. I have made many mistakes with my children, but the
biggest mistakes have been when I have tried to make my children accept me
making decisions and choices for them, have tried to take responsibility
from them. Still, fortunately, they are all as stubborn as their mother <g>
Anyway, there's no 'proof' - I think unschooling is really an act of faith.
It's a good thing to believe in, IMO. Feels right to me.
Carol
tonitoni@... wrote:
> We hear all these tales on how unschooling, and h/s ing has
> succeded. But, just as a matter of interest, are there any cases out
> there where it failed? I mean really failed.
> marianne
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In a message dated 11/21/2000 5:41:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mjcmbrwn@... writes:
of faith. While we may base our decisions on studies, personal experience,
opinion of someone we trust, or some other criteria, it still comes down to a
feeling about which is right.
My 2 cents, FWIW,
Eiraul
mjcmbrwn@... writes:
> Anyway, there's no 'proof' - I think unschooling is really an act of faith.I agree, but I'd go a little further...any parenting choice is really an act
> It's a good thing to believe in, IMO. Feels right to me.
of faith. While we may base our decisions on studies, personal experience,
opinion of someone we trust, or some other criteria, it still comes down to a
feeling about which is right.
My 2 cents, FWIW,
Eiraul
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In a message dated 00-11-21 18:41:21 EST, you write:
<< Having a conflict of oppinions with my daughter 16. When you wirte a
sentence refering to a chapter in a book like "In Chapter 13 the
character...." Is the word chapter capped?
And when did they change the typing rules & only put a single space after
periods?
of three (or better).
Yes, you capitalize chapter in Chapter 13, but if you say "the thirteenth
chapter" you don't.
Word processors were *SUPPOSED* to always put a larger space after a period.
They promised they would, and typists were told to just put one space,
because the program would adjust for it. Well huh. If they had, they'd've
put a larger space after Dr. and etc. and Mrs. and all kinds of other things
which can fall inside a sentence, so they abandoned their campaign promise.
Once you say "grammar" it turns on the "get picky" switch, so I wanted to say
(irritatingly, I'm sure) that neither of those questions had to do with
grammar. They are "mechanics of writing" questions. Tadaa... Editorial
stuff.
Sandra who loves these nitpicky things
<< Having a conflict of oppinions with my daughter 16. When you wirte a
sentence refering to a chapter in a book like "In Chapter 13 the
character...." Is the word chapter capped?
And when did they change the typing rules & only put a single space after
periods?
>>I'm going to answer without seeing the rest to see if you get a clean two out
of three (or better).
Yes, you capitalize chapter in Chapter 13, but if you say "the thirteenth
chapter" you don't.
Word processors were *SUPPOSED* to always put a larger space after a period.
They promised they would, and typists were told to just put one space,
because the program would adjust for it. Well huh. If they had, they'd've
put a larger space after Dr. and etc. and Mrs. and all kinds of other things
which can fall inside a sentence, so they abandoned their campaign promise.
Once you say "grammar" it turns on the "get picky" switch, so I wanted to say
(irritatingly, I'm sure) that neither of those questions had to do with
grammar. They are "mechanics of writing" questions. Tadaa... Editorial
stuff.
Sandra who loves these nitpicky things
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In a message dated 11/21/2000 11:38:38 PM !!!First Boot!!!, samiot@...
writes:
<< Having a conflict of oppinions with my daughter 16. When you wirte a
sentence refering to a chapter in a book like "In Chapter 13 the
character...." Is the word chapter capped?
And when did they change the typing rules & only put a single space after
periods?
Guess I must be showing my age. Thanks for any help you can give me. >>
Mine are only 7 adn 6 and I am already ancient. By 16 - forget about it!
OK --
The sentence should read:
In Chapter 13, the character showed great respect to her mother.
Chapter is capitalized and there is one space after the comma.
Good luck.
Nance
writes:
<< Having a conflict of oppinions with my daughter 16. When you wirte a
sentence refering to a chapter in a book like "In Chapter 13 the
character...." Is the word chapter capped?
And when did they change the typing rules & only put a single space after
periods?
Guess I must be showing my age. Thanks for any help you can give me. >>
Mine are only 7 adn 6 and I am already ancient. By 16 - forget about it!
OK --
The sentence should read:
In Chapter 13, the character showed great respect to her mother.
Chapter is capitalized and there is one space after the comma.
Good luck.
Nance
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<< And when did they change the typing rules & only put a single space after
periods.
But I am old too so . . . .
Nance
> periods?Sorry -- I misread -- thought you said commas -- I always put 2 spaces after
>>
periods.
But I am old too so . . . .
Nance
Kerry Kibort
Carol, thank you for the words of wisdom, from someone
just learning she has her own path to follow,
Kerry
ps anyone tell me who the Ruth lawrences of the
world are? Never heard her name before. I'm a
freshman.<g>
--- Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...> wrote:
just learning she has her own path to follow,
Kerry
ps anyone tell me who the Ruth lawrences of the
world are? Never heard her name before. I'm a
freshman.<g>
--- Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...> wrote:
> Well, I haven't heard of any serial axe murderers,
> nor any NZ Prime
> Ministers or Ministers of Finance - yet <g>. But
> even if there were, would
> that mean unschooling was at fault? Can we blame
> *anything* solely on school
> or unschooling or mothers or fathers or yellow
> underwear or lemonade or
> rotton tomatos?
>
> All we can do is our best for our children. I
> believe that that means
> allowing them them the freedom to make their own
> mistakes and learn from
> them. Personally, I believe that the more freedom a
> person has as a child
> (within the bounds of them not harming others), the
> less likely they are to
> become bad / unhappy / unkind / anti-social /
> destrucive people. But then,
> my definition of success is to do with lives filled
> with generous helpings
> of happiness, kindness, creativity, love, joy etc.
> But I can't prove any of
> this.
>
> If your definition of sucess and failure is to do
> with money / position /
> power then of course there are unschooling failures.
> But I think I know you
> better than that, Marianne.
>
> Ultimately, our children will have to define success
> for themselves. Many of
> us have come through our childhoods with a parent's
> definition attached and
> have had a dreadful struggle to redefine the
> concepts of success, and many
> other concepts, for ourselves. Along with with this
> hard work there has also
> been, for a great many of us, bitterness about what
> our parent/s /teacher/s
> did to us. This is because we learnt to be ordered
> and defined and arranged
> by these people, which meant they were to blame when
> things went wrong - it
> was someone else's fault. Until we learn to throw
> away the blaming, we can't
> reach peace or acceptance, nor can we take positive
> action.
>
> I hope, even though my children may chose paths that
> I would not have chosen
> for them, that they will at least know that it is
> their own path, and that
> they can choose to change paths at anytime, through
> their own thoughts and
> actions. That they are responsible for themselves
> and their own actions,
> thoughts and paths. I have made many mistakes with
> my children, but the
> biggest mistakes have been when I have tried to make
> my children accept me
> making decisions and choices for them, have tried to
> take responsibility
> from them. Still, fortunately, they are all as
> stubborn as their mother <g>
>
> Anyway, there's no 'proof' - I think unschooling is
> really an act of faith.
> It's a good thing to believe in, IMO. Feels right to
> me.
>
> Carol
>
> tonitoni@... wrote:
>
> > We hear all these tales on how unschooling, and
> h/s ing has
> > succeded. But, just as a matter of interest, are
> there any cases out
> > there where it failed? I mean really failed.
> > marianne
>
>
Valerie
My 2 cents, FWIW,
Eiraul
**Hey, when did you drop in? How's everything with your husband's new job,
his health, and did you find a place to live, too?
--Valerie in Tacoma
Eiraul
**Hey, when did you drop in? How's everything with your husband's new job,
his health, and did you find a place to live, too?
--Valerie in Tacoma
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/21/00 3:38:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
samiot@... writes:
<<
And when did they change the typing rules & only put a single space after
periods?
or
where the information came from but I recall thinking, hey they can't do that!
I guess the article was about college students who might be marked down
on their papers for not properly spacing. Obviously I still have a hard time
using only one space myself!!
Kathy
samiot@... writes:
<<
And when did they change the typing rules & only put a single space after
periods?
>>This is pretty new, within the last year. I can't remember where I read it
or
where the information came from but I recall thinking, hey they can't do that!
I guess the article was about college students who might be marked down
on their papers for not properly spacing. Obviously I still have a hard time
using only one space myself!!
Kathy
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/22/2000 7:43:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
valeries@... writes:
we did get moved, DH's job is going quite well (he still has a one hour each
way commute, but swears it's worth it to have us all together <BG>). No more
problem with the kidney stones or anything else (except getting the new
insurance company to recognize it is a proper expense for them to cover). He
found a great place for us in the Hazel Dell area of Vancouver, WA. It even
has a ramp for my wheelchair, for those days I need it. We have to fix the
fence so the dogs will stay in the yard and we'll probably be another year
getting all the boxes unpacked, but I'm happy that the actual move is behind
us!
Thanks for asking. It's always nice to feel welcomed back.
Eiraul
valeries@... writes:
> **Hey, when did you drop in? How's everything with your husband's new job,Just got back online...in fact that was my first post since we moved. Yes,
> his health, and did you find a place to live, too?
>
we did get moved, DH's job is going quite well (he still has a one hour each
way commute, but swears it's worth it to have us all together <BG>). No more
problem with the kidney stones or anything else (except getting the new
insurance company to recognize it is a proper expense for them to cover). He
found a great place for us in the Hazel Dell area of Vancouver, WA. It even
has a ramp for my wheelchair, for those days I need it. We have to fix the
fence so the dogs will stay in the yard and we'll probably be another year
getting all the boxes unpacked, but I'm happy that the actual move is behind
us!
Thanks for asking. It's always nice to feel welcomed back.
Eiraul
Susan (mother to 5 in Fla)
Sandra thank you for your input. My mistake on the use of "grammar" to id
my question. I was tired & after proofing dd's paper this was driving me
crazy. "Grammar" was the only thing my brain could come up with.
my question. I was tired & after proofing dd's paper this was driving me
crazy. "Grammar" was the only thing my brain could come up with.
Tracy Oldfield
Ruth Lawrence is a famous home-edder in the UK, she was
the youngest undergrad and grad at Oxford (I think,
might have been Cambridge but I don't think so) Very
hot-housed and very insular, now that she's trying to
find herself and a life a little away from academia,
her daddy's all lost and lonely.
She's the reason I knew that home-ed was legal in this
country, though, she's from my town.
Tracy
Carol, thank you for the words of wisdom, from someone
just learning she has her own path to follow,
Kerry
ps anyone tell me who the Ruth lawrences of the
world are? Never heard her name before. I'm a
freshman.<g>
the youngest undergrad and grad at Oxford (I think,
might have been Cambridge but I don't think so) Very
hot-housed and very insular, now that she's trying to
find herself and a life a little away from academia,
her daddy's all lost and lonely.
She's the reason I knew that home-ed was legal in this
country, though, she's from my town.
Tracy
Carol, thank you for the words of wisdom, from someone
just learning she has her own path to follow,
Kerry
ps anyone tell me who the Ruth lawrences of the
world are? Never heard her name before. I'm a
freshman.<g>