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My 7 and 5 dds sleep together. I lay down with them until they fall
asleep. I usually fall asleep too, then dh wakes me up when he goes to
bed, so I can help him fall asleep too :-). Yes, this is "harder" than
just telling them it is time to go to bed. But I know the day will come
when they won't need this anymore. (I hope!)
I don't have any experience with food allergies, so I can't help there.
Maybe something has scared him? Lots of things that don't seem scary to
us can be very scary to children. 5 yr old dd woke up nearly in tears
once, because she had dreamed that the ears fell off her stuffed bunny.
Good luck. I hope you find a solution soon!
Mary Ellen
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it's whimsical and multifaceted.
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asleep. I usually fall asleep too, then dh wakes me up when he goes to
bed, so I can help him fall asleep too :-). Yes, this is "harder" than
just telling them it is time to go to bed. But I know the day will come
when they won't need this anymore. (I hope!)
I don't have any experience with food allergies, so I can't help there.
Maybe something has scared him? Lots of things that don't seem scary to
us can be very scary to children. 5 yr old dd woke up nearly in tears
once, because she had dreamed that the ears fell off her stuffed bunny.
Good luck. I hope you find a solution soon!
Mary Ellen
Life is not logical and task oriented,
it's whimsical and multifaceted.
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Long time no see, Mary Ellen! welcome back!
On the subject of sleep, just wanted to add that maybe, during
the day when you think about it (says me, who needs to have a
similar discussion with a long-term nurser...) and you're both calm,
you could ask him what he wants to do at bedtime. It could really
surprise you... Another thing to think about is that lying with head
at North and feet to South is considered to be a healing thing in
itself, might help calm things down. Dd1's just started voluntarily
sleeping in her own bed, without complaining of loneliness, and
also stopped wetting the bed, she turned 5 last week (!)
Hope you find something to help you here
Tracy
My 7 and 5 dds sleep together. I lay down with them
until they fall
asleep. I usually fall asleep too, then dh wakes me up
when he goes to
bed, so I can help him fall asleep too :-). Yes, this
is "harder" than
just telling them it is time to go to bed. But I know
the day will come
when they won't need this anymore. (I hope!)
Mary Ellen
Life is not logical and task oriented,
it's whimsical and multifaceted.
On the subject of sleep, just wanted to add that maybe, during
the day when you think about it (says me, who needs to have a
similar discussion with a long-term nurser...) and you're both calm,
you could ask him what he wants to do at bedtime. It could really
surprise you... Another thing to think about is that lying with head
at North and feet to South is considered to be a healing thing in
itself, might help calm things down. Dd1's just started voluntarily
sleeping in her own bed, without complaining of loneliness, and
also stopped wetting the bed, she turned 5 last week (!)
Hope you find something to help you here
Tracy
My 7 and 5 dds sleep together. I lay down with them
until they fall
asleep. I usually fall asleep too, then dh wakes me up
when he goes to
bed, so I can help him fall asleep too :-). Yes, this
is "harder" than
just telling them it is time to go to bed. But I know
the day will come
when they won't need this anymore. (I hope!)
Mary Ellen
Life is not logical and task oriented,
it's whimsical and multifaceted.
[email protected]
Hi everyone,
I am having such a hard time right now. My littlest is
12 weeks old & because of a sucking problem & long-term
thrush, she doesn't nurse so I am pumping for her 5
times a day. My almost 5 y.o. is having such a non
life right now. She has become interested in spending
most of her day in front of the TV. Between pumping,
feeding, making food, cleaning up & basic hygiene, I am
able to give her about 1/2 hr of my undivided attention
each day. I have to get up early & be home at certain
times & with pumping & having to warm bottles we have
the tiniest windows open to leaving the house. We're
also broke (always broke.) I don't know what to do.
She's a total sponge & she wants fun & activity & I
can't seem to offer her that right now & I feel like
she's being robbed of having a "life." She's asking me
for classes & because of money I haven't been able to
even do that for her. Any ideas? Anyone been there?
Help....
Sara
I am having such a hard time right now. My littlest is
12 weeks old & because of a sucking problem & long-term
thrush, she doesn't nurse so I am pumping for her 5
times a day. My almost 5 y.o. is having such a non
life right now. She has become interested in spending
most of her day in front of the TV. Between pumping,
feeding, making food, cleaning up & basic hygiene, I am
able to give her about 1/2 hr of my undivided attention
each day. I have to get up early & be home at certain
times & with pumping & having to warm bottles we have
the tiniest windows open to leaving the house. We're
also broke (always broke.) I don't know what to do.
She's a total sponge & she wants fun & activity & I
can't seem to offer her that right now & I feel like
she's being robbed of having a "life." She's asking me
for classes & because of money I haven't been able to
even do that for her. Any ideas? Anyone been there?
Help....
Sara
rumpleteasermom
Sara,
I don't think you've heard my story yet. Twice since I started
homeschooling, I've been striken with medical problems. The first,
was the first year the girls were home. Rachel was 11, Jenni
was 8 and Wyndham was 4. I came down with Guillaume-Barre Syndrom. I
spent a couple of months flat on my back. Rachel learned to cook and
clean that year out of necessity. I felt guilty for quite a while
because I felt like I put the girls in a bad position, having to take
care of me, but what could I do?
The second time was two and 1/2 years later, when I had a pulmonary
embolism, followed two days later by a heart attack. I was out of
commission once again for several months. Jenni learned to make a
really great grilled cheese sandwich that year!
I tell you this, not because I want you to feel sorry for us - - I
consider myself lucky in a way, because those problems are part of the
reason I unschooled in the first place. The conscious thought about
what I was actually doing (regarding their education) came much later.
Mostly, I was just so wiped that it was unschooling by default that
first year.
This has to be even harder for you since yours are so much littler.
Do you have other unschooling friends she could go do stuff with
occassionally? My only other advice would be to talk to her as much
as you can and keep telling her that things will not be like they are
for very long. The baby will grow, you will feel better, life will be
more fun. And for now, TV won't hurt her. You could also find her
some cool computer games too.
Bridget
I don't think you've heard my story yet. Twice since I started
homeschooling, I've been striken with medical problems. The first,
was the first year the girls were home. Rachel was 11, Jenni
was 8 and Wyndham was 4. I came down with Guillaume-Barre Syndrom. I
spent a couple of months flat on my back. Rachel learned to cook and
clean that year out of necessity. I felt guilty for quite a while
because I felt like I put the girls in a bad position, having to take
care of me, but what could I do?
The second time was two and 1/2 years later, when I had a pulmonary
embolism, followed two days later by a heart attack. I was out of
commission once again for several months. Jenni learned to make a
really great grilled cheese sandwich that year!
I tell you this, not because I want you to feel sorry for us - - I
consider myself lucky in a way, because those problems are part of the
reason I unschooled in the first place. The conscious thought about
what I was actually doing (regarding their education) came much later.
Mostly, I was just so wiped that it was unschooling by default that
first year.
This has to be even harder for you since yours are so much littler.
Do you have other unschooling friends she could go do stuff with
occassionally? My only other advice would be to talk to her as much
as you can and keep telling her that things will not be like they are
for very long. The baby will grow, you will feel better, life will be
more fun. And for now, TV won't hurt her. You could also find her
some cool computer games too.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., bevibrant@a... wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am having such a hard time right now. My littlest is
> 12 weeks old & because of a sucking problem & long-term
> thrush, she doesn't nurse so I am pumping for her 5
> times a day. My almost 5 y.o. is having such a non
> life right now. She has become interested in spending
> most of her day in front of the TV. Between pumping,
> feeding, making food, cleaning up & basic hygiene, I am
> able to give her about 1/2 hr of my undivided attention
> each day. I have to get up early & be home at certain
> times & with pumping & having to warm bottles we have
> the tiniest windows open to leaving the house. We're
> also broke (always broke.) I don't know what to do.
> She's a total sponge & she wants fun & activity & I
> can't seem to offer her that right now & I feel like
> she's being robbed of having a "life." She's asking me
> for classes & because of money I haven't been able to
> even do that for her. Any ideas? Anyone been there?
> Help....
>
> Sara
Lara Nabours
I'm sorry to hear you are having a hard time right now. I admire your dedication to seeing that your baby gets the best start in her life.
Does your 5 y.o. enjoy what she is viewing on tv? If she is then what's the problem? You could join her and ask her about her favorite show and what she likes about it...
Can you get out to the library? Our library also lends out computer games, board games, puzzles, etc. Books on tape are fun for some kids? Does she have access to art materials (paper, crayons, markers, pencils, clay, glue, scissors , etc? Perhaps you can invite another family over to visit?
Include her as much as possible in the tasks you feel are taking up all of your time. She can sit with you while you are feeding the baby...you could play I Spy with her, read to her or just enjoy each other's company, maybe she'd like to help you make food and clean? There are a lot of wonderful treasures to be found at a Thrift store or garage sale...or for that matter, in your own backyard. ;-)
Ask your daughter what it is she enjoys doing and go from there? I am an only child and do not think I had a nonlife when mom was doing something else that took up a lot of her time. I found all sorts of fun ways to create things and play. I think my parents purposely stayed out of the way sometimes. ;-)
Living Joyfully,
Lara
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From: bevibrant@... [mailto:bevibrant@...]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Help!
Hi everyone,
I am having such a hard time right now. My littlest is
12 weeks old & because of a sucking problem & long-term
thrush, she doesn't nurse so I am pumping for her 5
times a day. My almost 5 y.o. is having such a non
life right now. She has become interested in spending
most of her day in front of the TV. Between pumping,
feeding, making food, cleaning up & basic hygiene, I am
able to give her about 1/2 hr of my undivided attention
each day. I have to get up early & be home at certain
times & with pumping & having to warm bottles we have
the tiniest windows open to leaving the house. We're
also broke (always broke.) I don't know what to do.
She's a total sponge & she wants fun & activity & I
can't seem to offer her that right now & I feel like
she's being robbed of having a "life." She's asking me
for classes & because of money I haven't been able to
even do that for her. Any ideas? Anyone been there?
Help....
Sara
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Does your 5 y.o. enjoy what she is viewing on tv? If she is then what's the problem? You could join her and ask her about her favorite show and what she likes about it...
Can you get out to the library? Our library also lends out computer games, board games, puzzles, etc. Books on tape are fun for some kids? Does she have access to art materials (paper, crayons, markers, pencils, clay, glue, scissors , etc? Perhaps you can invite another family over to visit?
Include her as much as possible in the tasks you feel are taking up all of your time. She can sit with you while you are feeding the baby...you could play I Spy with her, read to her or just enjoy each other's company, maybe she'd like to help you make food and clean? There are a lot of wonderful treasures to be found at a Thrift store or garage sale...or for that matter, in your own backyard. ;-)
Ask your daughter what it is she enjoys doing and go from there? I am an only child and do not think I had a nonlife when mom was doing something else that took up a lot of her time. I found all sorts of fun ways to create things and play. I think my parents purposely stayed out of the way sometimes. ;-)
Living Joyfully,
Lara
-----Original Message-----
From: bevibrant@... [mailto:bevibrant@...]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Help!
Hi everyone,
I am having such a hard time right now. My littlest is
12 weeks old & because of a sucking problem & long-term
thrush, she doesn't nurse so I am pumping for her 5
times a day. My almost 5 y.o. is having such a non
life right now. She has become interested in spending
most of her day in front of the TV. Between pumping,
feeding, making food, cleaning up & basic hygiene, I am
able to give her about 1/2 hr of my undivided attention
each day. I have to get up early & be home at certain
times & with pumping & having to warm bottles we have
the tiniest windows open to leaving the house. We're
also broke (always broke.) I don't know what to do.
She's a total sponge & she wants fun & activity & I
can't seem to offer her that right now & I feel like
she's being robbed of having a "life." She's asking me
for classes & because of money I haven't been able to
even do that for her. Any ideas? Anyone been there?
Help....
Sara
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Bonni Sollars
Sara, my heart goes out to you. I don't know what you mean by a sucking
problem, but when I had my second child, I thought nursing would be so
enjoyable, like with my first. But he bit me and chomped on me. Also,
wherever he sucked got blisters and he too had thrush that wouldn't go
away. He actually was allergic to my milk because I had an overgrowth of
yeast. Unfortunately, I stopped nursing because I couldn't afford to go
to the doctor (Of course, I didn't know about welfare at the time). He
bit because of the thrush, not because he really wanted to bite. He also
sucked way too hard because I think it itched or something in his mouth.
If I could do it again, I would buy some plain yogurt, like the kind you
get at the health food store with no sugar, but with acidophilus and good
bacteria cultures. Then I would spread that around the baby's mouth,
just like you do with Nystatin, the medicine for thrush. I would totally
eliminate pasteurized milk, wheat and sugar from my diet, but I would eat
the yogurt. I would also drink sixteen 8 oz. cups of water a day (if
possible, with the juice of a lemon in it-yeast hate that), all before
dinner. I know this sounds extreme. If you have two half-gallon
pitchers and fill them with water at night, leaving them open, by morning
the chlorine taste should leave it. Then just be sure you finish them
off by dinner time. For your daughter, if you have a library and a vcr,
there are a lot of tapes she could watch. Don't worry about giving her
everything she needs schoolwise right now. I learned to read watching
the electric company. Read between the Lions is good for that. I always
say "Boredom is the soil in which imagination grows." Give her household
items to play with. Marbles, beads, beans, sticks, rocks can all teach
math. Books at the library teach counting and reading-what is that one
book with animal-people with words by the pictures? Libraries these days
often have computer games that teach math and reading, if you make an
appointment for it. Maybe you could at least take her once or twice a
week? I'm not sure where you are, city or country, or what your
transportation is. Also, if you have the internet, there are sites for
children, like cartoon network for games or pbs or other learning sites
that since I don't have it I'm not up on right now. I'm hoping others
could help you there. Remember, this too shall pass.
I hope my advice has something you can use. Twelve weeks is a long time
to go through all this. Best wishes and prayer for you.
Bonni
problem, but when I had my second child, I thought nursing would be so
enjoyable, like with my first. But he bit me and chomped on me. Also,
wherever he sucked got blisters and he too had thrush that wouldn't go
away. He actually was allergic to my milk because I had an overgrowth of
yeast. Unfortunately, I stopped nursing because I couldn't afford to go
to the doctor (Of course, I didn't know about welfare at the time). He
bit because of the thrush, not because he really wanted to bite. He also
sucked way too hard because I think it itched or something in his mouth.
If I could do it again, I would buy some plain yogurt, like the kind you
get at the health food store with no sugar, but with acidophilus and good
bacteria cultures. Then I would spread that around the baby's mouth,
just like you do with Nystatin, the medicine for thrush. I would totally
eliminate pasteurized milk, wheat and sugar from my diet, but I would eat
the yogurt. I would also drink sixteen 8 oz. cups of water a day (if
possible, with the juice of a lemon in it-yeast hate that), all before
dinner. I know this sounds extreme. If you have two half-gallon
pitchers and fill them with water at night, leaving them open, by morning
the chlorine taste should leave it. Then just be sure you finish them
off by dinner time. For your daughter, if you have a library and a vcr,
there are a lot of tapes she could watch. Don't worry about giving her
everything she needs schoolwise right now. I learned to read watching
the electric company. Read between the Lions is good for that. I always
say "Boredom is the soil in which imagination grows." Give her household
items to play with. Marbles, beads, beans, sticks, rocks can all teach
math. Books at the library teach counting and reading-what is that one
book with animal-people with words by the pictures? Libraries these days
often have computer games that teach math and reading, if you make an
appointment for it. Maybe you could at least take her once or twice a
week? I'm not sure where you are, city or country, or what your
transportation is. Also, if you have the internet, there are sites for
children, like cartoon network for games or pbs or other learning sites
that since I don't have it I'm not up on right now. I'm hoping others
could help you there. Remember, this too shall pass.
I hope my advice has something you can use. Twelve weeks is a long time
to go through all this. Best wishes and prayer for you.
Bonni
Kara Bauer
Sara,
If there are any around, contact a La Leche League leader. I dealt with thrush with my youngest for over 6 months, it was hard and in the end I had to throw away all of my bras and TOTALLY change my diet but it was well worth it! But I also got a lot of great advice and support from the leaders in my area, I definitely suggest calling one. Here is there main website - www.lalecheleague.org
Some suggestions for now would be, 1st to cut out all dairy (which can be hard), boil your bras, there is also a homeopathic rememdy but right now I can't think of it (when I remember I will email it) that works very well.
HTH,
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If there are any around, contact a La Leche League leader. I dealt with thrush with my youngest for over 6 months, it was hard and in the end I had to throw away all of my bras and TOTALLY change my diet but it was well worth it! But I also got a lot of great advice and support from the leaders in my area, I definitely suggest calling one. Here is there main website - www.lalecheleague.org
Some suggestions for now would be, 1st to cut out all dairy (which can be hard), boil your bras, there is also a homeopathic rememdy but right now I can't think of it (when I remember I will email it) that works very well.
HTH,
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alaurashome
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., bevibrant@a... wrote:
I am sorry for the trouble you are having with the baby's health and
with finances. I have been there in both regards and I can assure
that "this too shall pass". I know at the time it seems that your
life will always be this way, but it won't. Once you get past this,
you will find that you and your children will be stronger.
I have had multiple health problems since my first pregnancy and
just last year I was practically bedridden. My doctors still
haven't decided if I have MS, Lupus, or ??? I felt so bad for my
children because there was so little that I could do for them and
they were having to do things to help me. (I hate needing help!!)
The funny thing is that the experience appears to have been good for
all of us. I have learned that I can't control everything (Hey,
even my own body doesn't do what I want it to. LOL)
My children learned that they can do things themselves. They have
also become kinder to each other. They still argue, but now they
ask for and give forgiveness. We have all learned that life is
precious and we are lucky to be with people that love us.
I don't think that you need to worry about your daughter having
a 'nonlife'. She has many years to take classes. Right now she is
watching you and learning how to be a loving mother. IMHO that is
the most important 'class' of all.
Peace,
Alaura
> Hi everyone,Sara,
>
> I am having such a hard time right now. My littlest is
> 12 weeks old & because of a sucking problem & long-term
> thrush, she doesn't nurse so I am pumping for her 5
> times a day. My almost 5 y.o. is having such a non
> life right now. >
> Sara
I am sorry for the trouble you are having with the baby's health and
with finances. I have been there in both regards and I can assure
that "this too shall pass". I know at the time it seems that your
life will always be this way, but it won't. Once you get past this,
you will find that you and your children will be stronger.
I have had multiple health problems since my first pregnancy and
just last year I was practically bedridden. My doctors still
haven't decided if I have MS, Lupus, or ??? I felt so bad for my
children because there was so little that I could do for them and
they were having to do things to help me. (I hate needing help!!)
The funny thing is that the experience appears to have been good for
all of us. I have learned that I can't control everything (Hey,
even my own body doesn't do what I want it to. LOL)
My children learned that they can do things themselves. They have
also become kinder to each other. They still argue, but now they
ask for and give forgiveness. We have all learned that life is
precious and we are lucky to be with people that love us.
I don't think that you need to worry about your daughter having
a 'nonlife'. She has many years to take classes. Right now she is
watching you and learning how to be a loving mother. IMHO that is
the most important 'class' of all.
Peace,
Alaura
Lilly
Hello,
Someone in group Mention yeast overgrowth. They also
mention to eat yogurt. Which is helpful, but another
good treatment is taking acidopholis pills from the
health food store. Natren has one for infants. Some
people who have frequent yeast problem in their body
might want to look up leaky gut on the internet. There
natural supplements for that too.
Just an idea. I
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Someone in group Mention yeast overgrowth. They also
mention to eat yogurt. Which is helpful, but another
good treatment is taking acidopholis pills from the
health food store. Natren has one for infants. Some
people who have frequent yeast problem in their body
might want to look up leaky gut on the internet. There
natural supplements for that too.
Just an idea. I
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Mindy Parkhurst
On 9/2/02 10:34 PM, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
I have been lurking a while and thought it was time to post my question. I
have a dd, 8 years old who has never been to any type of school. we have
always been in the middle; unschooling/some traditional things as well. my
dd has never liked the "traditional" approach, so it has always led me back
to the unschooling method. I feel that is only natural to follow her leads.
schooling the traditional way has caused several arguments, tears, and
frustration. at times it has been difficult for me to just let go and
follow her lead. so here we are again, new "school" year beginning and I am
struggling with this issue again!
my biggest struggle has been trying to find things that interest her. she
reads very well, but doesn't particularly like to.(I am very relaxed about
what she reads, I just want her to read!) sometimes I feel like she isn't
interested in anything. how do I help to spark her interest? I sometimes
feel like I have just hit a roadblock with her and I don't know where to go
from here. I am very committed to homeschooling, I believe that it is best
for our family and ps is the last place that she would go. I guess I am
just looking for any advice or support with this. does anyone else have
these problems with getting there children interested in things? she
basically just wants to play all day, without ANY academics.
any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
this list has been an invaluable resource for me.
Thank You,
mindy
mom of cameron, 4 years old and Chloe, 8 years old
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> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> 11. Re: scouting
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> 12. Re: Newbie, too! Long, too!
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> 13. Re: My MIL tested my kids!
> From: "Jennifer Green" <heartlightdfw@...>
> 14. Re: the future, was MIL
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
> 15. Re: Re: Girl Scouts
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
> 16. Re: Newbie too!
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> 17. Re: Newbie, too! Long, too!
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
> 18. Re: Digest Number 2317
> From: PSoroosh@...
> 19. Re: MIL tested my children
> From: Dnowens@...
> 20. Re: Newbie too!
> From: kbcdlovejo@...
> 21. Re: HSC tapes
> From: Dnowens@...
> 22. Re: Newbie, too! Long, too!
> From: "Shyrley" <shyrley.williams@...>
> 23. Re: HSC tapes
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> 24. Seattle and Vancouver: was newbie
> From: "Linda Greene" <lhgreene2000@...>
> 25. Re: homeschooling books for reluctant dh's
> From: robin9700@...
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:56:59 -0000
> From: "joanna514" <Wilkinson6@...>
> Subject: Re: Girl Scouts was: Introduction...long
>
>>>
>> And my daughters loves to social "tribe" aspect of girl scouts and
>> couldn't care less about doing the badges <g> It helps that her
> leader is
>> an unschooling mom.... and to be honest, a lot of the badge stuff
> looks
>> kind of dippy.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Dar
>
> My dd is the same way. Her leader is a homeschooler and knows we are
> unschoolers and is very relaxed about what the girls do. They can
> work on badges on their own and present what they've done to get the
> patch, or not. They also do some group badges that usually take the
> year to complete.
> My dd worked on one on her own and I kinda nudged her through it.
> She was glad she did it, but has never worked on another one.
> We both felt that there was fun stuff to do to get the badge, but
> some pretty "dippy" stuff too.
> Joanna
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:24:10 -0400
> From: "Linda Greene" <lhgreene2000@...>
> Subject: Re: Newbie, too! Long, too!
>
> You're not allowed to move!!! ;o)
>
> Linda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shyrley
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Newbie, too! Long, too!
>
>
> On 2 Sep 02, at 9:55, Linda Greene wrote:
>
>> HI ROBIN!!!!
>>
>> Linda Greene
>
> I'm a bad influence. All these people from Virginia suddenly joining
> the list. Where shall I move to next....
>
> Shyrley
>
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> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> Subject: Re: Newbie too!
>
>
> Just wanted to also greet the newbies! I am also just starting and my husband
> sounds very similar and comes from a large family of public school teachers,
> including his father. I just keep putting little quotes and excerpts up on
> the refridge, table.... where ever I think he might see them. Like right now
> , the quote from Linda Dobson is up. So far he has been pretty receptive, I
> think it is such a jump for some people tho', to me its makes so much sense,
> Unschooling that is. I think if I gently ease him into the thought it will be
> just fine.. I just have to be patient like she(Linda D.) says, I think both
> of you who just introduced yourselves are on the right track. I love seeing
> so many people new, it gives me faith that more and more people will see the
> logic of our ways!!
> I have to say that this is the first fall that I havn't been a basket case,
> gee, just happens to be the first fall we've unschooled. Usually the stress
> of school starting up practically shuts me down, not this year! I have
> fibromyalgia, (can never spell it) and the stress of school really was
> horrible. When I was young and now as a parent. Can't wait for everyone else
> to go tho' and we can go out and really enjoy our life. It is so good to be
> home with my kids!
> Loving unschooling, especially during fall in northern Minnesota!
> Kelli
>
> robin9700@... wrote:In a message dated 9/2/2002 10:59:31 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> starsuncloud@... writes:
>> Welcome Robin, that is SO true. It's us, as the parents, that need to change
>>
>> our thinking for unschooling to work. Children are born curious and eager
>> to
>> learn about their world. They don't have the school mindset baggage to
>> lose.They're just themselves, living each day for the moment.
>> Let your children be your example, get in touch with the passions you have
>> and go with it!! Sounds like you're on the right track.
>>
>> Ren
> Thank you. Just wish dh was on same track. Homeschooling is
> questioned...me taking it to unschooling, well...anyone know of a book (less
> is more!) or article of some sort that speaks to the "logical," linear,
> standardized mind?
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
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> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:18:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> Subject: Re: Newbie, too! Long, too!
>
>
> Gee Shyrley.....is that's the case, please move north!!!!
> Kelli in Minnesota
> Shyrley wrote:On 2 Sep 02, at 9:55, Linda Greene wrote:
>
>> HI ROBIN!!!!
>>
>> Linda Greene
>
> I'm a bad influence. All these people from Virginia suddenly joining
> the list. Where shall I move to next....
>
> Shyrley
>
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> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:28:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> Subject: Re: Newbie, too! Long, too!
>
>
> oh sorry,,if that's the case, is what I meant!
> Kelli Traaseth wrote:
> Gee Shyrley.....is that's the case, please move north!!!!
> Kelli in Minnesota
> Shyrley wrote:On 2 Sep 02, at 9:55, Linda Greene wrote:
>
>> HI ROBIN!!!!
>>
>> Linda Greene
>
> I'm a bad influence. All these people from Virginia suddenly joining
> the list. Where shall I move to next....
>
> Shyrley
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:54:35 EDT
> From: starsuncloud@...
> Subject: Newby
>
> In a message dated 9/2/02 3:16:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << I read a book called "Coloring Outside
> the Lines" in which a man who designed artificial intelligence for
> computers and therefore had studied a lot about how learning works,
> wrote about how to get your kids through public school with their
> critical thinking, creativity and love of learning in tact. >>
>
> I love that book. I recommend it often because it's written by a Dad and he
> had his kids in ps (which baffles me since he lists all the ways it damages
> kids), and therefore is a good book imo for people reluctant to accept
> homeschooling as a viable option.
>
> Ren
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:55:56 EDT
> From: amycats2@...
> Subject: Re: Newbie too!
>
> In a message dated 9/2/2002 5:06:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> kellitraas@... writes:
>
>
>> I just keep putting little quotes and excerpts up on the refridge,
>> table.... where ever I think he might see them. Like right now , the
>> quote from Linda Dobson is up.
>
> Which quote is that?
> Amy (who is busy making copies of the new Reader's Digest homeschool article
> and passing it around to family members.)
> Amy Kagey
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:56:41 -0700
> From: freeform@...
> Subject: Re: HSC tapes
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:07:50 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
>> In a message dated 9/2/02 1:13:35 PM, freeform@... writes:
>>
>> << Last year's coordinator also got her to come out a
>> couple of months ago to speak to a group of mostly-homeschoolers in
>> Nevada City or somewhere near there... >>
>>
>> Well then she must have just spoken and gone away, because it seemed
>> she neither socialized nor met any people's kids!
>>
> I was wrong. It was in April, and in Auburn. And I guess it was more of a
> mixed group, although a bunch of homeschoolers from here went, including
> the afore-mentioned last year's coordinator. It was a 3 or 4 hour evening
> thing, though, so probably no kids went, or very few.
>
> She appeals to the crunchy granola homeschoolers, and there are a lot of
> them around here.
>
> dar
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:07:42 -0400
> From: "Shyrley" <shyrley.williams@...>
> Subject: Re: Newbie, too! Long, too!
>
> On 2 Sep 02, at 14:24, Linda Greene wrote:
>
>> You're not allowed to move!!! ;o)
>>
>> Linda
>
> But I want snow and cooler summers!!!! Virginia is too hot for this
> brit. You got to remember I come from the land of rain.
>
> Shyrley
>
>
> "You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the
> same."
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 00:23:22 +0200
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> Subject: Re: David Guterson
>
> on 9/2/02 22:15, [email protected] at
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Family matters : why homeschooling makes sense by David Guterson is the one
>> I've heard recommended most often for reluctant husbands. Guterson is a
>> high school teacher (or was - he's an novelist as well).
>
> I've always been curious if he continued teaching high school after his
> novel "Snow Falling on Cedars". It was so successful, and in "Family
> Matters" I had the impression that while he enjoyed teaching school, that it
> was also frustrating (gee, imagine that!). Anybody know?
>
> I've enjoyed both his books very much, and Family Matters helped sell a
> friend's husband on homeschooling this year. I saw another one on the
> english language rack at the train station, but I need to order it off
> Amazon.com -- $17 for a paperback, yikes!
>
> brenda
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 00:23:23 +0200
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> Subject: Re: scouting
>
> on 9/2/02 22:15, [email protected] at
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> We're fine with girl scouts because it is an inclusive group, and the
>> policies against homophobia and religious discrimination are clearly
>> spelled-out. My daughter, at least, wouldn't have participated otherwise.
>> This isn't true of boy scouts, though...
>
> Does anybody do boy scouts?
>
> DH went through scouting up thru Eagle, and really wants our son involved in
> it. I not only have problems about their inclusivity, but also that it
> looks a heckuva lot like school these days. It used to be that cubs were
> grades 2-4, webaloes 5, and boy scouts 6-12. Now (at least here...), the
> cub scouts meet together once a month, but for weekly meetings, it's tigers
> in 1st grade, wolves in 2nd grade, bears in 3rd grade, etc. Being not
> overly fond of the school model, that doesn't thrill me. Part of the appeal
> of scouting when I was a girl scout was having the older girls help me do
> stuff and looking forward to when *I* was one of the older girls. Mixed age
> stuff.
>
> I'm just hesitant to jump into a commitment, I guess.
>
> brenda
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:32:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> Subject: Re: Newbie, too! Long, too!
>
>
> Shyrley-There ya go, Minnesota is your answer!
> Kelli
> Shyrley wrote:On 2 Sep 02, at 14:24, Linda Greene wrote:
>
>> You're not allowed to move!!! ;o)
>>
>> Linda
>
> But I want snow and cooler summers!!!! Virginia is too hot for this
> brit. You got to remember I come from the land of rain.
>
> Shyrley
>
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> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:37:06 -0500
> From: "Jennifer Green" <heartlightdfw@...>
> Subject: Re: My MIL tested my kids!
>
> Although it is very hard to think this way....just try to remember this is
> your MIL's problem. You should never have to jump through hoops to make her
> happy and she just doesn't know how to handle the lack of control she has.
> Everything will turn out ok and she will be the one left alone with no
> family.......karma.
>
> Jen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dnowens@...
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> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] My MIL tested my kids!
>
>
> In a message dated 8/31/02 11:09:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
> ecsamhill@... writes:
>
>
>> Oh ---- man ---- this is ugly! Did she always hate you?
>>
>
> Always. I took her baby away. When all her other kids left home it was just
> her and Darin for years. When he went to the Marines, he sent home much of
> his paycheck, he used one of his bonuses to buy her a car. He saved two other
> bonuses (all hazardous pay bonuses) to put a down payment on a house for her.
> When he and I met, much of that stopped, although we lived with her for about
> six months and we paid most of the bills for her during that time. (she was
> between husbands number 5 and 6) When we got married and had left the
> reception, she stood at the curb and cried, saying over and over "My baby's
> gone, she took him away." I learned this from one of my Great-aunts who
> called me the day we got back from our honey moon to tell me. When I had
> Moly, she was so excited, Moly was the first girl in their family in over 40
> years. (since Darin's sister was born) When I told her Moly's name and how we
> spell it, she told me how stupid it was, handed Darin a list of *family*
> names and said she wouldn't be back unless it was changed. She didn't see
> Moly for the first 6 months of her life. When Jack was born, she came to the
> hospital. I was there for three days before I had him (I wasn't in Labor that
> long, it was other things) and she thought I was going to have him. When I
> didn't have him that first night, she left saying "Just call me when she
> finally has this one." After he was born she threw a fit over his name too,
> because she had had an alcoholic uncle named Jack and hated him. (She still
> refuses to call him Jack, she calls him Jackie.) I could go on and on, the
> list is endless, I am the monkey on her back, her enigma.
> ~Nancy
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> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:04:05 -0700
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
> Subject: Re: the future, was MIL
>
>
>>
>> For me, this is the key for my future. Realizing that I am welcome to talk
>> myself blue in the face, and my son and his partner may or MAY NOT follow my
>> advice.
>
> I also only offer the advice once or twice. Sometimes it will be a long
> time later that she looks at it again and decides to try it.
> Tia
>
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> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:48:24 -0600
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Girl Scouts
>
>
>
>>> We both felt that there was fun stuff to do to get the badge, but
> some pretty "dippy" stuff too.>>
>
> In true unschooling fashion, Casey does only the fun stuff and skips the
> dippy. ;-) A lot of the dippy stuff we just check off because we realize
> she's "covered" it somehow in the course of real life. No Girl Scout
> busywork for us thank you.
>
> Casey really likes working towards goals, so those little badges fill a need
> for her.
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
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> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:53:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> Subject: Re: Newbie too!
>
>
> The quote was one from this list yesterday,
> "Your efforts may, at first, seem more like scrap lumber randomly scattered
> across the vast universe that is your child rather than a remarkable structure
> you watch rise, floor by measureable floor. But the Eiffel Tower didn't
> appear overnight, and the most beautiful cathedrals of the world took decades
> to complete.
> It helps to think of yourself not as "teacher" the way you remember it, but
> like the supplier whose purpose is merely making sure the builder - your child
> - can get his hands on the necessary materials when he needs them. Be happy
> when you make any sale, however modest. The true architect will use the
> materials in his own way, in his own time.
> Schools force a child into using his limited resources today. "Build a bird
> house, "they demand, "so that we may count how many sticks you've collected."
> At home there's no need for immediate "proof". Be patient. Don't measure.
> Who can say what exquisite masterpiece your child will shape and build from
> the scraps tomorrow - or ten years from now? The more he collects, the
> greater the structure he's capable of building. And when that structure is
> life itself, don't settle for a bird house today. Trust you'll find a castle
> tomorrow.
> Simply provide the materials."
> from The Art of Education Linda Dobson
> Isn't it great? I think Sandra posted it earlier.
> Kelli
> amycats2@... wrote:In a message dated 9/2/2002 5:06:55 PM Eastern Standard
> Time,
> kellitraas@... writes:
>
>
>> I just keep putting little quotes and excerpts up on the refridge,
>> table.... where ever I think he might see them. Like right now , the
>> quote from Linda Dobson is up.
>
> Which quote is that?
> Amy (who is busy making copies of the new Reader's Digest homeschool article
> and passing it around to family members.)
> Amy Kagey
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:06:09 -0700
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
> Subject: Re: Newbie, too! Long, too!
>
>
>>
>>
>> But I want snow and cooler summers!!!! Virginia is too hot for this
>> brit. You got to remember I come from the land of rain.
>
> You'd like it here on Vancouver Island. Or Seattle for that matter.
> Tia
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> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:46:07 EDT
> From: PSoroosh@...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 2317
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> In a message dated 9/2/2002 1:17:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
>
>> I read a book called "Coloring Outside
>> the Lines" in which a man who designed artificial intelligence for
>> computers and therefore had studied a lot about how learning works,
>> wrote about how to get your kids through public school with their
>> critical thinking, creativity and love of learning in tact.
>>
>
> Through that whole book I just kept wanting to yell -- JUST GET THEM
> OUT!!!!!!
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:55:36 EDT
> From: Dnowens@...
> Subject: Re: MIL tested my children
>
> In a message dated 9/2/02 1:02:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
> leschke@... writes:
>
>
>> I think you're sending her a strong message by having the lawyer
>> involved. Does she know that the lawyer is a cousin? Even better if she
>> doesn't. If she thinks you're paying a lawyer, she'll be even more clear
>> that you mean business.
>> Tia, who really appreciates the MIL who disagrees with lots of what we do
>> but doesn't say anything.
>>
>
> No, she doesn't know my cousin is a lawyer. Why? Because she has never shown
> an interest in my family at all. Never comes to anything I have invited her
> to, never asks how anyone is doing... Oh well her loss.
> ~Nancy
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> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:04:37 EDT
> From: kbcdlovejo@...
> Subject: Re: Newbie too!
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> In a message dated 9/2/2002 11:05:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> robin9700@... writes:
>> Thank you. Just wish dh was on same track. Homeschooling is
>> questioned...me taking it to unschooling, well...anyone know of a book
>> (less
>> is more!) or article of some sort that speaks to the "logical," linear,
>> standardized mind?
>>
>>
>
> How about an unschooling conference featuring Joyce Fetteroll?---just about
> as logical and linear as you can get, so she can explain in HIS terms! ! <g>
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> <A HREF="http://www.schoolsoutsupport.org/index.html">Click here: School's Out
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:12:42 EDT
> From: Dnowens@...
> Subject: Re: HSC tapes
>
> In a message dated 9/2/02 4:59:46 PM Central Daylight Time, freeform@...
> writes:
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>
>> She appeals to the crunchy granola homeschoolers, and there are a lot of
>> them around here.
>>
>> dar
>
> <g> what are the crunchy granola homeschoolers? I thought that was what we
> are.
> ~Nancy who loves her birks and homemade granola!
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:56:24 -0400
> From: "Shyrley" <shyrley.williams@...>
> Subject: Re: Newbie, too! Long, too!
>
> On 2 Sep 02, at 16:06, Tia Leschke wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I want snow and cooler summers!!!! Virginia is too hot for this
>>> brit. You got to remember I come from the land of rain.
>>
>> You'd like it here on Vancouver Island. Or Seattle for that matter.
>> Tia
>>
>
> Several people have told me that. If I wasn't so homesick that I've
> made myself ill i'd consider moving there.
>
> Shyrley
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> "You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the
> same."
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> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:55:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> Subject: Re: HSC tapes
>
>
> I was wondering the same thing, and do you know a good granola recipe? A
> bit off subject, sorry.
> Kelli
> Dnowens@... wrote:In a message dated 9/2/02 4:59:46 PM Central Daylight
> Time, freeform@...
> writes:
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>
>> She appeals to the crunchy granola homeschoolers, and there are a lot of
>> them around here.
>>
>> dar
>
> <g> what are the crunchy granola homeschoolers? I thought that was what we
> are.
> ~Nancy who loves her birks and homemade granola!
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> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:18:08 -0400
> From: "Linda Greene" <lhgreene2000@...>
> Subject: Seattle and Vancouver: was newbie
>
> We'll be in Seattle and Vancouver at the end of this month. I'm really
> looking forward to the trip! Any suggestions on where to take my two boys (11
> and 8).
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> Thanks,
> Linda
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>> But I want snow and cooler summers!!!! Virginia is too hot for this
>> brit. You got to remember I come from the land of rain.
>
> You'd like it here on Vancouver Island. Or Seattle for that matter.
> Tia
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:33:58 EDT
> From: robin9700@...
> Subject: Re: homeschooling books for reluctant dh's
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> Thank you to all who recommended books (and other ideas) for "the relunctant
> husband." I think that *I* will end up being the one doing the reading. But,
> I'm thinking that's okay and that I should be grateful that we have
> agreement to homeschool because *I* want to and believe in it so much (with
> conditions). I like the idea of posting quotes...it would serve a purpose
> for inspiring me and if it goes beyond that, then great! The conditions are
> that our children be prepared to enter ps if it becomes necessary....cover
> same learning objectives as ps. Just got to figure out how to do this in
> unschooly kind of way. Please don't say its impossible!
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I have been lurking a while and thought it was time to post my question. I
have a dd, 8 years old who has never been to any type of school. we have
always been in the middle; unschooling/some traditional things as well. my
dd has never liked the "traditional" approach, so it has always led me back
to the unschooling method. I feel that is only natural to follow her leads.
schooling the traditional way has caused several arguments, tears, and
frustration. at times it has been difficult for me to just let go and
follow her lead. so here we are again, new "school" year beginning and I am
struggling with this issue again!
my biggest struggle has been trying to find things that interest her. she
reads very well, but doesn't particularly like to.(I am very relaxed about
what she reads, I just want her to read!) sometimes I feel like she isn't
interested in anything. how do I help to spark her interest? I sometimes
feel like I have just hit a roadblock with her and I don't know where to go
from here. I am very committed to homeschooling, I believe that it is best
for our family and ps is the last place that she would go. I guess I am
just looking for any advice or support with this. does anyone else have
these problems with getting there children interested in things? she
basically just wants to play all day, without ANY academics.
any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
this list has been an invaluable resource for me.
Thank You,
mindy
mom of cameron, 4 years old and Chloe, 8 years old
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on 9/3/02 3:01 PM, Mindy Parkhurst at mindyparkhurst@... wrote:
point of view.
Husband: "I don't care what she reads, I just want her to read!"
"My wife basically just wants to do the things that interest her all day,
without ANY of the things I think are worth while for her to do."
How would you want him to spark interests in you?
If it were me, I wouldn't want my husband watching me and judging that what
I was doing wasn't good enough and judging that I should be more interested
in things he thinks are worth while! ;-)
Unschooling doesn't look like kids pursuing academic things on their own. It
really does look like play. The reason kids like to play is because that's
how they're hardwired to learn. :-)
Unschooling can be frustrating for parents because it doesn't look like it's
headed anywhere.
Unschooling is a kind of balance between letting them be and providing
access to the world. If you aren't pursuing interests on your own for your
own enjoyment, then is it reasonable to expect her to? It'll work a lot
better if you do things and provide access because you want to share things
with her and because you think they're enjoyable not because you want her to
be interested. You may end up going to the same places and doing the same
things, but your attitude will be different. She won't unconsciously pick up
any pressure that this is something you want her to do.
And you might want to reassess what her interests are. It's what she plays
and what she does when you aren't assessing whether what she's doing looks
like learning or not or looks like an access to something academic.
So what does she play when alone and with friends? What kind of things does
she do on her own? What kind of programs or movies are her favorites? What
kind of books does she read when she does choose something? (Do you still
read to her? kids' listening level tends to be at a higher level than their
reading level so we shouldn't stop reading. Books on tape are good too,
especially when doing crafts and sometimes for cleaning too.)
Joyce
> I am very relaxed aboutHow about turning your concerns around and looking at them from a different
> what she reads, I just want her to read!
point of view.
Husband: "I don't care what she reads, I just want her to read!"
"My wife basically just wants to do the things that interest her all day,
without ANY of the things I think are worth while for her to do."
How would you want him to spark interests in you?
If it were me, I wouldn't want my husband watching me and judging that what
I was doing wasn't good enough and judging that I should be more interested
in things he thinks are worth while! ;-)
Unschooling doesn't look like kids pursuing academic things on their own. It
really does look like play. The reason kids like to play is because that's
how they're hardwired to learn. :-)
Unschooling can be frustrating for parents because it doesn't look like it's
headed anywhere.
Unschooling is a kind of balance between letting them be and providing
access to the world. If you aren't pursuing interests on your own for your
own enjoyment, then is it reasonable to expect her to? It'll work a lot
better if you do things and provide access because you want to share things
with her and because you think they're enjoyable not because you want her to
be interested. You may end up going to the same places and doing the same
things, but your attitude will be different. She won't unconsciously pick up
any pressure that this is something you want her to do.
And you might want to reassess what her interests are. It's what she plays
and what she does when you aren't assessing whether what she's doing looks
like learning or not or looks like an access to something academic.
So what does she play when alone and with friends? What kind of things does
she do on her own? What kind of programs or movies are her favorites? What
kind of books does she read when she does choose something? (Do you still
read to her? kids' listening level tends to be at a higher level than their
reading level so we shouldn't stop reading. Books on tape are good too,
especially when doing crafts and sometimes for cleaning too.)
Joyce
Gerard Westenberg
<shereads very well, but doesn't particularly like to.(I am very relaxed about
what she reads, I just want her to read!) >
My just turned 7 yo has started reading -- but, he only reads at night! He says he can't stand to read during the day because he "likes playing and doing things". So, at night, he reads in bed ( unless we're watching videos :-) ) , eventually falling asleep with the book in his hand. Maybe your dd is the same - liking to be active during the day but would be happy to read at nightime, when things may (?) be more quiet....Leonie W.
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what she reads, I just want her to read!) >
My just turned 7 yo has started reading -- but, he only reads at night! He says he can't stand to read during the day because he "likes playing and doing things". So, at night, he reads in bed ( unless we're watching videos :-) ) , eventually falling asleep with the book in his hand. Maybe your dd is the same - liking to be active during the day but would be happy to read at nightime, when things may (?) be more quiet....Leonie W.
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Kelli Traaseth
Here's another pin up for the wall or fridge! (To show the reluctant husband) Thanks Joyce!
Kelli
Unschooling doesn't look like kids pursuing academic things on their own. It
really does look like play. The reason kids like to play is because that's
how they're hardwired to learn. :-)
Unschooling can be frustrating for parents because it doesn't look like it's
headed anywhere.
Unschooling is a kind of balance between letting them be and providing
access to the world. If you aren't pursuing interests on your own for your
own enjoyment, then is it reasonable to expect her to? It'll work a lot
better if you do things and provide access because you want to share things
with her and because you think they're enjoyable not because you want her to
be interested. You may end up going to the same places and doing the same
things, but your attitude will be different. She won't unconsciously pick up
any pressure that this is something you want her to do.
And you might want to reassess what her interests are. It's what she plays
and what she does when you aren't assessing whether what she's doing looks
like learning or not or looks like an access to something academic.
So what does she play when alone and with friends? What kind of things does
she do on her own? What kind of programs or movies are her favorites? What
kind of books does she read when she does choose something? (Do you still
read to her? kids' listening level tends to be at a higher level than their
reading level so we shouldn't stop reading. Books on tape are good too,
especially when doing crafts and sometimes for cleaning too.)
Joyce
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Kelli
Unschooling doesn't look like kids pursuing academic things on their own. It
really does look like play. The reason kids like to play is because that's
how they're hardwired to learn. :-)
Unschooling can be frustrating for parents because it doesn't look like it's
headed anywhere.
Unschooling is a kind of balance between letting them be and providing
access to the world. If you aren't pursuing interests on your own for your
own enjoyment, then is it reasonable to expect her to? It'll work a lot
better if you do things and provide access because you want to share things
with her and because you think they're enjoyable not because you want her to
be interested. You may end up going to the same places and doing the same
things, but your attitude will be different. She won't unconsciously pick up
any pressure that this is something you want her to do.
And you might want to reassess what her interests are. It's what she plays
and what she does when you aren't assessing whether what she's doing looks
like learning or not or looks like an access to something academic.
So what does she play when alone and with friends? What kind of things does
she do on her own? What kind of programs or movies are her favorites? What
kind of books does she read when she does choose something? (Do you still
read to her? kids' listening level tends to be at a higher level than their
reading level so we shouldn't stop reading. Books on tape are good too,
especially when doing crafts and sometimes for cleaning too.)
Joyce
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zenmomma *
>>my biggest struggle has been trying to find things that interest her.>>Maybe you're trying too hard to interest her in typical schooly academic
things. Does she like any sports (swimming, biking, rollerblading,
hiking...)? How about movies or trips to the zoo or a children's museum?
Does she like making crafty stuff? Playing with dolls or board games? These
are all valid interests and will lead to amazing thinking and skills if you
let them.
>>she reads very well, but doesn't particularly like to.(I am very relaxedHow about if you read to her? Pick really interesting and complex books
>>about what she reads, I just want her to read!)>>
beyond her current reading level. Those are great for sharing together. Try
getting her some magazines too. My Casey doesn't read too many books on her
own, but she loves her magazines...American Girl, Ranger Rick, Stone Soup,
etc. Comics like Charlie Brown, Garfield, and Fox Trot are great too.
>>sometimes I feel like she isn't interested in anything. how do I help toBy relaxing and enjoying playing around with her. By showing and sharing
>>spark her interest?>>
*your* interets with her. By forgetting about school altogether and focusing
on the joy of being and doing stuff together.
>>I sometimes feel like I have just hit a roadblock with her and I don'tYou've hit the SCHOOL roadblock. Now it's time to take the UNschooling
>>know where to go from here.>>
detour. With any luck, you'll forge a new path altogether and never have to
get on that boring schooling interstate highway again.
Life is good.
~Mary
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