Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 813
Bill & Sher
I just want to say I am not a bigot. If so I would be bigotted against my own family. My Aunt is gay and I love her very much. My daughter is Philliapine, my granddaughter is black/philliapine. I am american indian/sweedish/unknown. So I am not bigot.
I do support the Scouts. They choose to teach a group of ideas. They stand and fight for those ideas. I support them in their choice.
I support your choice to disagree with them that is the beauty of this country. you don't have to agree with people to support them and their differences.
The government gives money to start companies, go to school, or do any number of individual things. So why cant they let this organization use govrnment land/buildings/ect..?
And to the question about the other unrepented 'sins' of the leaders...if the dont reject them because of this, they should for the same reason they chose not to include gays.
Sher, just my $0.02
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I do support the Scouts. They choose to teach a group of ideas. They stand and fight for those ideas. I support them in their choice.
I support your choice to disagree with them that is the beauty of this country. you don't have to agree with people to support them and their differences.
The government gives money to start companies, go to school, or do any number of individual things. So why cant they let this organization use govrnment land/buildings/ect..?
And to the question about the other unrepented 'sins' of the leaders...if the dont reject them because of this, they should for the same reason they chose not to include gays.
Sher, just my $0.02
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aworthen
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill & Sher <yet_will_i_trust.him@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 813
. My Aunt is gay and I love her very much
Thank God they didn't, but what if it had been Girl Scouts who made this
ruling and your aunt was a scout who got kicked out for being homosexual.
Until you've walked a mile in someones shoes you can't say how'd you really
feel.
Amy (who's so very happy she has three girls, so she'll never have to tell
them they can't be scouts)
[email protected]
In a message dated 09/29/2000 1:45:45 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
aworthen@... writes:
<< My Aunt is gay and I love her very much
Thank God they didn't, but what if it had been Girl Scouts who made this
ruling and your aunt was a scout who got kicked out for being homosexual.
Until you've walked a mile in someones shoes you can't say how'd you really
feel.
Amy (who's so very happy she has three girls, so she'll never have to tell
them they can't be scouts)
Nance
aworthen@... writes:
<< My Aunt is gay and I love her very much
Thank God they didn't, but what if it had been Girl Scouts who made this
ruling and your aunt was a scout who got kicked out for being homosexual.
Until you've walked a mile in someones shoes you can't say how'd you really
feel.
Amy (who's so very happy she has three girls, so she'll never have to tell
them they can't be scouts)
>>Well, they can't. They can't be openly gay scouts anyway.
Nance
Lynda
This is correct. Girl Scouts have NEVER accepted "extreme" (what the GS's
use to call them) women as leaders. The only difference being, that no one
sued them.
Lynda
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use to call them) women as leaders. The only difference being, that no one
sued them.
Lynda
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> From: marbleface@...homosexual.
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 813
> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 6:51 PM
>
> In a message dated 09/29/2000 1:45:45 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
> aworthen@... writes:
>
> << My Aunt is gay and I love her very much
>
> Thank God they didn't, but what if it had been Girl Scouts who made this
> ruling and your aunt was a scout who got kicked out for being
> Until you've walked a mile in someones shoes you can't say how'd youreally
> feel.tell
>
> Amy (who's so very happy she has three girls, so she'll never have to
> them they can't be scouts)
> >>
>
>
> Well, they can't. They can't be openly gay scouts anyway.
>
> Nance
>
>
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Vicki A. Dennis
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From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 813
> This is correct. Girl Scouts have NEVER accepted "extreme" (what the GS's
> use to call them) women as leaders. The only difference being, that no
one
> sued them.
>
> Lynda
Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are and have always been separate organizations;
not branches of the generic "scout".
Actually, the BIG difference is not lawsuits but that the GSA does NOT
have a national policy stating that endorsing or practicing or tolerating
homosexual persons or activities is a singular reason to either prohibit
joining or to be removed from either membership or leadership. Actual
practice within local neighborhoods or councils may vary both historically
and geographically but the national organization does not insist that
discrimination (based on religion, race, culture, OR sexual orientation) is
proper.
Vicki---no longer a registered Girl Scout but was extremely involved
starting in 1957 and continuing as an adult scout and leader for several
years including more than one of the "reorganizations" (Did you know that
Cadettes and Daisies did not always exist?)
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/28/00 6:40:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I think it was absolutely ridiculous for the
parents of that girl to sue because she wanted to be a BOY scout. I think
it is absolutely ridiculous for women to want to join men's clubs and I
think the reverse is true also. This sue, sue, sue garbage is out of
control. >>
Lynda, i am a feminist, and like what you have said here. I guess the point
for some of these litigating parents is that girl scouts might not be "tough"
enough or "real enough" for their girls? (same thing as wanting girls to play
with trucks but not to encourage boys to play with dolls---joining up with
the masculine is always seen as the most important option). They want them to
be accepted in the 'big league'. I agree that our litigious society is very
troublesome.
cath
montreal
[email protected] writes:
<< I think it was absolutely ridiculous for the
parents of that girl to sue because she wanted to be a BOY scout. I think
it is absolutely ridiculous for women to want to join men's clubs and I
think the reverse is true also. This sue, sue, sue garbage is out of
control. >>
Lynda, i am a feminist, and like what you have said here. I guess the point
for some of these litigating parents is that girl scouts might not be "tough"
enough or "real enough" for their girls? (same thing as wanting girls to play
with trucks but not to encourage boys to play with dolls---joining up with
the masculine is always seen as the most important option). They want them to
be accepted in the 'big league'. I agree that our litigious society is very
troublesome.
cath
montreal
Lynda
Well, Girl Scouts camp, hike, raft, learn to build fires, tie knots, so I'm
thinking it is usually the parents, not the kids.
Being female has never stopped me from doing anything but I never felt I
had to bust into a men's club to do it. I own a Harley, drive a truck
(307, 350 horse, hotrod type <g>), owned my own businesses and hauled
horses long haul. My oldest little sister drives long haul, Class A. My
second to youngest little sister shows cars and races cars. Legislation
didn't do this for us nor did sueing so we could belong to the boy's clubs.
It is how you are raised and whether or not you are raised to give a dead
rat's patooty about perceived barriers. Of course, having liberated males
in the family before ERA was even thought of might have helped. Grampa (bd
1866) was a real role model for all of us and he taught all us girls to
hammer a nail and saw a board when we were still in ruffled bloomers. All
the boys know how to cook (youngest son loves to pick recipes out of
Vincent Price's cookbook to experiment with) and all the girls know how to
fix anything around the house.
So, to wind do this long winded rant, the problem and cure are both in the
home, not in sueing.
Lynda
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thinking it is usually the parents, not the kids.
Being female has never stopped me from doing anything but I never felt I
had to bust into a men's club to do it. I own a Harley, drive a truck
(307, 350 horse, hotrod type <g>), owned my own businesses and hauled
horses long haul. My oldest little sister drives long haul, Class A. My
second to youngest little sister shows cars and races cars. Legislation
didn't do this for us nor did sueing so we could belong to the boy's clubs.
It is how you are raised and whether or not you are raised to give a dead
rat's patooty about perceived barriers. Of course, having liberated males
in the family before ERA was even thought of might have helped. Grampa (bd
1866) was a real role model for all of us and he taught all us girls to
hammer a nail and saw a board when we were still in ruffled bloomers. All
the boys know how to cook (youngest son loves to pick recipes out of
Vincent Price's cookbook to experiment with) and all the girls know how to
fix anything around the house.
So, to wind do this long winded rant, the problem and cure are both in the
home, not in sueing.
Lynda
----------
> From: benliam@...think
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 813
> Date: Saturday, September 30, 2000 4:34 PM
>
> In a message dated 9/28/00 6:40:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << I think it was absolutely ridiculous for the
> parents of that girl to sue because she wanted to be a BOY scout. I
> it is absolutely ridiculous for women to want to join men's clubs and Ipoint
> think the reverse is true also. This sue, sue, sue garbage is out of
> control. >>
>
> Lynda, i am a feminist, and like what you have said here. I guess the
> for some of these litigating parents is that girl scouts might not be"tough"
> enough or "real enough" for their girls? (same thing as wanting girls toplay
> with trucks but not to encourage boys to play with dolls---joining upwith
> the masculine is always seen as the most important option). They wantthem to
> be accepted in the 'big league'. I agree that our litigious society isvery
> troublesome.
>
> cath
> montreal
>
>
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Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall
joining up with the masculine is always seen as the most important option.
Interestingly, although they do not go to day care or have any macho friends, they really do not pay all that much attention to their dolls. Once in a while they like to play with them, but everyday they love to play "Cars" and "Knights." My eldest does not even really know the difference between mommies and daddies and shows no preference for playing "daddies and babies" over "mommies and babies" with his little animal toys, which he plays with about every day.
Nanci K.
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>cathWell, I for one am surrounded by men, what with husband and two sons. Even my cats are male! If we got any more testosterone in this house I might run screaming into the street. But I do encourage my boys to express their gentleness, loving, affection, tenderness, sadness, and other things not encouraged in boys in western culture. My boys DO play with dolls.
>montreal
Interestingly, although they do not go to day care or have any macho friends, they really do not pay all that much attention to their dolls. Once in a while they like to play with them, but everyday they love to play "Cars" and "Knights." My eldest does not even really know the difference between mommies and daddies and shows no preference for playing "daddies and babies" over "mommies and babies" with his little animal toys, which he plays with about every day.
Nanci K.
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