Re: hs from the beginning
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In a message dated 6/28/99 3:33:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Kitchen38@... writes:
<< Welcome to unschooling. Glad you could start while your children are young
out at home rather than bringing them home after being in school. I hear so
many stories from people who are in that position and think, boy am I glad I
don't have that particular situation to deal with. I couldn't imagine in my
wildest dreams sending my dd off to kindergarten last fall (or this fall if I
held her back since she would have been a young five). What would we do
without each other all day? We were at the park the other day learning
jumprope with some friends when she jumped and slipped and hit her chin
really hard on the concrete and also cut her lip. I of course consoled her
and after I said to my friends (other hsers) who would have consoled her if
this had happened on a school playground? That would just make me so sad.
Kathy
Kitchen38@... writes:
<< Welcome to unschooling. Glad you could start while your children are young
>>Thanks for the welcome Mary Ellen. I agree I am so glad that I get to start
out at home rather than bringing them home after being in school. I hear so
many stories from people who are in that position and think, boy am I glad I
don't have that particular situation to deal with. I couldn't imagine in my
wildest dreams sending my dd off to kindergarten last fall (or this fall if I
held her back since she would have been a young five). What would we do
without each other all day? We were at the park the other day learning
jumprope with some friends when she jumped and slipped and hit her chin
really hard on the concrete and also cut her lip. I of course consoled her
and after I said to my friends (other hsers) who would have consoled her if
this had happened on a school playground? That would just make me so sad.
Kathy
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In a message dated 6/28/99 11:58:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Natrlmama@... writes:
<< We were at the park the other day learning
jumprope with some friends when she jumped and slipped and hit her chin
really hard on the concrete and also cut her lip. I of course consoled her
and after I said to my friends (other hsers) who would have consoled her if
this had happened on a school playground? That would just make me so sad.
into a group of strangers for six hours a day seems horrible to me! I cried
hysterically when my youngest went to Kindergarten. It just seemed so
"un-natural". I pulled her out in the middle of first grade. I regret every
single day she went.
Mary Ellen.
Natrlmama@... writes:
<< We were at the park the other day learning
jumprope with some friends when she jumped and slipped and hit her chin
really hard on the concrete and also cut her lip. I of course consoled her
and after I said to my friends (other hsers) who would have consoled her if
this had happened on a school playground? That would just make me so sad.
>>Me too! To take a small child away from a family who loves her and put her
into a group of strangers for six hours a day seems horrible to me! I cried
hysterically when my youngest went to Kindergarten. It just seemed so
"un-natural". I pulled her out in the middle of first grade. I regret every
single day she went.
Mary Ellen.
A.Y.
Kathy, I feel the same way exactly. My son would have gone to Kindergarten this
year too. I can't even imagine him not around all day. we would all miss so
much!
Ann
year too. I can't even imagine him not around all day. we would all miss so
much!
Ann
Andi Kaufman
mary ellen wrote:
But it is amazing how we fall into the trap of not thinking just doing what
the world says.
I am so glad that I learned how to question and thnk for myself.
Andi...domestic goddess and active volunteer
mom to Isaac
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Never Underestimate the Power of This Woman!
>Me too! To take a small child away from a family who loves her and put herI dont regret every single day that isaac went. he had some great times.
>into a group of strangers for six hours a day seems horrible to me! I cried
>hysterically when my youngest went to Kindergarten. It just seemed so
>"un-natural". I pulled her out in the middle of first grade. I regret every
>single day she went.
But it is amazing how we fall into the trap of not thinking just doing what
the world says.
I am so glad that I learned how to question and thnk for myself.
Andi...domestic goddess and active volunteer
mom to Isaac
tl2b@...
Never Underestimate the Power of This Woman!
Ewa
Just to put my two cents in.
In Raising Boys, a Harvard researcher says that sending boys to kindergarten
or even first grade is very difficult, sometimes even traumatizing for them.
In his opinion boys at this age to need to be close to moms even more than
girls do. (Not to say that girls do not need to be with their moms). He
claims that a lot of problems we have with teenage boys can be traced back
to the way society treated them in those early years. Breaking mother/son
bond in at this young age leaves a big mark for the rest of the boy's life.
I found it very interesting because I remember reading that in medieval
Europe boys were under almost exclusive mothers' care for the first 7-8
years of their lives. When they approached that age the father was taking
over and a boy was trained in marshal arts.
I think people in medieval Europe knew something that was forgotten later.
Ewa
In Raising Boys, a Harvard researcher says that sending boys to kindergarten
or even first grade is very difficult, sometimes even traumatizing for them.
In his opinion boys at this age to need to be close to moms even more than
girls do. (Not to say that girls do not need to be with their moms). He
claims that a lot of problems we have with teenage boys can be traced back
to the way society treated them in those early years. Breaking mother/son
bond in at this young age leaves a big mark for the rest of the boy's life.
I found it very interesting because I remember reading that in medieval
Europe boys were under almost exclusive mothers' care for the first 7-8
years of their lives. When they approached that age the father was taking
over and a boy was trained in marshal arts.
I think people in medieval Europe knew something that was forgotten later.
Ewa
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<<I remember reading that in medieval
Europe boys were under almost exclusive mothers' care for the first 7-8
years of their lives. When they approached that age the father was taking
over and a boy was trained in marshal arts.
I think people in medieval Europe knew something that was forgotten later.>>
Another thing that did was that when puberty approached children were often
put out with other families, as pages or grooms, or as serving girls (of high
rank or low), or apprenticed. When families and businesses and households
switched pubescent kids around, the instinct to rebel against parent and get
out of the nest was relieved. They WERE out of the nest.
I think another big problem in this culture is that we punish teenagers for
their natural and normal urge to become independent and leave mom and dad's
home. There is nothing magical about 18 or 21, and both are past the age
that many kids are fully grown and have come into their own independent
thinking. To force them to stay home and behave as though they were ten is
begging for trouble.
When children mature late and ARE willing to be placid at the age of 15 or 17
we praise their upbringing and their self control, but it's sometimes just
natural later development, not superior parenting. Parents know that if a
child walks at 11 months instead of 13, it's just within a range of normal,
but the range of normalcy seems to be ignored in the teen years. If there
were no natural urge to leave why wouldn't all people stay home for life with
people who loved them and would feed them?
Sandra
Europe boys were under almost exclusive mothers' care for the first 7-8
years of their lives. When they approached that age the father was taking
over and a boy was trained in marshal arts.
I think people in medieval Europe knew something that was forgotten later.>>
Another thing that did was that when puberty approached children were often
put out with other families, as pages or grooms, or as serving girls (of high
rank or low), or apprenticed. When families and businesses and households
switched pubescent kids around, the instinct to rebel against parent and get
out of the nest was relieved. They WERE out of the nest.
I think another big problem in this culture is that we punish teenagers for
their natural and normal urge to become independent and leave mom and dad's
home. There is nothing magical about 18 or 21, and both are past the age
that many kids are fully grown and have come into their own independent
thinking. To force them to stay home and behave as though they were ten is
begging for trouble.
When children mature late and ARE willing to be placid at the age of 15 or 17
we praise their upbringing and their self control, but it's sometimes just
natural later development, not superior parenting. Parents know that if a
child walks at 11 months instead of 13, it's just within a range of normal,
but the range of normalcy seems to be ignored in the teen years. If there
were no natural urge to leave why wouldn't all people stay home for life with
people who loved them and would feed them?
Sandra
Andi Kaufman
sandra wrote:
If there
same village if they got along. Or move far away if they didnt. but there
was support for individuals then. now we dont have the extended family all
the time and support is not as close.
which doesnt mean that kids should or shouldnt leave home at a certain age.
I think it has to be up to an individual. do our teens know when they are
ready? Do we? DO we question these norms? of course. and sending kids to
visit for a summer or to train somewhere would be great if we could trust
the other people.
Andi...domestic goddess and active volunteer
mom to Isaac
tl2b@...
Never Underestimate the Power of This Woman!
If there
>were no natural urge to leave why wouldn't all people stay home for life withA long time ago people didnt always move so far. They might stay in the
>people who loved them and would feed them?
same village if they got along. Or move far away if they didnt. but there
was support for individuals then. now we dont have the extended family all
the time and support is not as close.
which doesnt mean that kids should or shouldnt leave home at a certain age.
I think it has to be up to an individual. do our teens know when they are
ready? Do we? DO we question these norms? of course. and sending kids to
visit for a summer or to train somewhere would be great if we could trust
the other people.
Andi...domestic goddess and active volunteer
mom to Isaac
tl2b@...
Never Underestimate the Power of This Woman!
Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall
At 09:18 AM 6/29/99 -0400, you wrote:
general, that on top of all the other good reasons for keeping my kids at
home I also have selfish motivations. :-) I waited too long to be a Mommy
to just give my children to someone else to raise. I want to savor every
moment I have with them, and not miss anything while they are growing up.
Nanci K. in Idaho
>From: "A.Y." <hooperck@...>Kindergarten this
>
>Kathy, I feel the same way exactly. My son would have gone to
>year too. I can't even imagine him not around all day. we would all miss soI always tell friends, when discussing Unschooling and homeschooling in
>much!
>Ann
general, that on top of all the other good reasons for keeping my kids at
home I also have selfish motivations. :-) I waited too long to be a Mommy
to just give my children to someone else to raise. I want to savor every
moment I have with them, and not miss anything while they are growing up.
Nanci K. in Idaho