FW: [Unschooling-dotcom] re:vaccination
Valerie
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From: Valerie [mailto:valeries@...]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:45 PM
To: catwhois@...
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] re:vaccination
disease. There always have been healthy children dying from this
disease. 2. Most people who are in a high risk group (AIDS,
Chemo) *can't* take the vaccines. They dont' have the immunities
to fight off even the vaccination. They *can't* build up immunities to
the disease. So therefore the consideration is to immunize those
that can be immunized to save those that can't. 3. Convenience.
(Not a valid excuse imo, but it is one of the reasons that a lot of
parents immunize their healthy children.) We live in a culture
where people don't want to have to take off 5-14 days of work
because their children have a disease that they could have avoided
by immunizing.
**I thought of reason #2 after I posted, however, it still doesn't
completely make sense to me. Should all little children be vaccinated
against everything so that the seriously ill (fatally ill in some cases)
will supposedly not be exposed to these diseases? If that's a good reason,
why hasn't it been promoted? The chicken pox vaccine is relatively new and
is known not to be completely effective. So that argument is weak already.
And since most adults (in America at least) have had chickenpox already,
wouldn't they would be immune from it, even if they do have AIDS, etc?
**About reason #1...the only otherwise healthy children I know of who had
complications due to chickenpox have been Native Americans. "White man's"
diseases like cp or measles obliterated whole tribes, since they had no
immunities to them. If my children had NA blood you bet I'd immunize. But
that's a whole different situation.
**You probably don't need to ask what I think of #3.
This is one of the diseases that the CDC and the WHO wish to
irradicate from Earth. Small pox was once a rampant killer, yet
through mass immunizations all around the work we have almost
completely erased small pox from this planet. The other diseases
that the WHO wish to iradicate are Diptheria, Pertussis, and Polio.
Polio, BTW, is still a problem in this country. There was not the
wide spread immunization against polio like there was against
small pox. Many countries don't immunize against polio and
strains of it are showing up here in the US that have been brought
in due to immigration and visitation.
***Here's something to lose sleep over: smallpox is not completely gone. It
was thought to be eradicated, but here and there cases show up. We don't get
inoculated for it anymore. It's "gone" so why vaccinate? I saw a news story
about smallpox being kept in the old Soviet Union for possible germ
warfare. A left-over from the Cold War. The only thing is no one's getting
rid of it or even really taking care of it. And there's no big storage of
the vaccine at the ready. What would happen if somehow this was unleashed?
***I thought most new polio cases in the US were from the oral vaccine
itself? I've certainly been wrong before.
Please don't get me wrong. I am not a Rah-Rah Gotta Vaccinate
'Em All type person. I really respect people's informed decisions
not to vaccinate. However, I think it is important for people to fully
understand the entire issue. We don't immunize against Hep. B
until our children get much older. We are also delaying
immunizing our son against MMR until he is much older and has
had more chance to develop his language and motor skills. MMR
does not "cause" autism, but it can enhance it in people who are
more at a risk. The statistics get a little skewed sometimes.
I hope you can see where I am coming from.
I do see where you're coming from Michelle and I appreciate the information.
I am not rabidly anti-vaccination. I just want the truth...all the
possibilities. I think we are "on the same page". I understand what you mean
about MMR not "causing" autism, but it can trigger an autistic reaction that
may or may not be overcome. I really am fed up with the mainstream medical
community for not coming clean about things like this. I really don't
believe the benefits always outweigh the risks.
---Valerie
From: Valerie [mailto:valeries@...]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:45 PM
To: catwhois@...
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] re:vaccination
> What I meant is, now the push in on for everyone to get thisThere is a tri-fold reason. 1. Healthy children *do* die from this
> vaccination....everyone, not only those in a risk group. Have you ever
> heard of anyone not in the risk groups dying from complications of
> chickenpox? (infections, pneumonia) Why immunize healthy little
> children for it? Why not just those at risk?
disease. There always have been healthy children dying from this
disease. 2. Most people who are in a high risk group (AIDS,
Chemo) *can't* take the vaccines. They dont' have the immunities
to fight off even the vaccination. They *can't* build up immunities to
the disease. So therefore the consideration is to immunize those
that can be immunized to save those that can't. 3. Convenience.
(Not a valid excuse imo, but it is one of the reasons that a lot of
parents immunize their healthy children.) We live in a culture
where people don't want to have to take off 5-14 days of work
because their children have a disease that they could have avoided
by immunizing.
**I thought of reason #2 after I posted, however, it still doesn't
completely make sense to me. Should all little children be vaccinated
against everything so that the seriously ill (fatally ill in some cases)
will supposedly not be exposed to these diseases? If that's a good reason,
why hasn't it been promoted? The chicken pox vaccine is relatively new and
is known not to be completely effective. So that argument is weak already.
And since most adults (in America at least) have had chickenpox already,
wouldn't they would be immune from it, even if they do have AIDS, etc?
**About reason #1...the only otherwise healthy children I know of who had
complications due to chickenpox have been Native Americans. "White man's"
diseases like cp or measles obliterated whole tribes, since they had no
immunities to them. If my children had NA blood you bet I'd immunize. But
that's a whole different situation.
**You probably don't need to ask what I think of #3.
This is one of the diseases that the CDC and the WHO wish to
irradicate from Earth. Small pox was once a rampant killer, yet
through mass immunizations all around the work we have almost
completely erased small pox from this planet. The other diseases
that the WHO wish to iradicate are Diptheria, Pertussis, and Polio.
Polio, BTW, is still a problem in this country. There was not the
wide spread immunization against polio like there was against
small pox. Many countries don't immunize against polio and
strains of it are showing up here in the US that have been brought
in due to immigration and visitation.
***Here's something to lose sleep over: smallpox is not completely gone. It
was thought to be eradicated, but here and there cases show up. We don't get
inoculated for it anymore. It's "gone" so why vaccinate? I saw a news story
about smallpox being kept in the old Soviet Union for possible germ
warfare. A left-over from the Cold War. The only thing is no one's getting
rid of it or even really taking care of it. And there's no big storage of
the vaccine at the ready. What would happen if somehow this was unleashed?
***I thought most new polio cases in the US were from the oral vaccine
itself? I've certainly been wrong before.
Please don't get me wrong. I am not a Rah-Rah Gotta Vaccinate
'Em All type person. I really respect people's informed decisions
not to vaccinate. However, I think it is important for people to fully
understand the entire issue. We don't immunize against Hep. B
until our children get much older. We are also delaying
immunizing our son against MMR until he is much older and has
had more chance to develop his language and motor skills. MMR
does not "cause" autism, but it can enhance it in people who are
more at a risk. The statistics get a little skewed sometimes.
I hope you can see where I am coming from.
I do see where you're coming from Michelle and I appreciate the information.
I am not rabidly anti-vaccination. I just want the truth...all the
possibilities. I think we are "on the same page". I understand what you mean
about MMR not "causing" autism, but it can trigger an autistic reaction that
may or may not be overcome. I really am fed up with the mainstream medical
community for not coming clean about things like this. I really don't
believe the benefits always outweigh the risks.
---Valerie