re: new member
Valerie
Hi Nicole....
With my own husband, what worked as far as convincing him to do "radical"
things (homebirth, unschool) was to make it appear so natural and ordinary
that he couldn't imagine anyone doing it another way. Now he's sure it was
his idea!
Best of luck...Valerie
With my own husband, what worked as far as convincing him to do "radical"
things (homebirth, unschool) was to make it appear so natural and ordinary
that he couldn't imagine anyone doing it another way. Now he's sure it was
his idea!
Best of luck...Valerie
[email protected]
Hello. I just subscribed to this email group after two days of
trying to get through our internet filter!! I thought I would
introduce myself, then I'm going to go back and read through past
posts to try and get to know you.
I am a mother of seven, ages 24yg, 22yg, 15yb, 13yb, 9yb, 7yb,
4 next week yg. I am the grandmother of 7, my oldest two are
married. I have been married 27 years to my husband, Bill. This is
our 11th year of homeschool. We attend a Mennonite church.
I have tried unschooling for a couple of years, partly due to burn
out, but also because my 13 year old has such a hard time learning
through books, and I would lose my temper with him. Finally, I told
him, "I am no longer your teacher, I am now just your mother." Not
really knowing what I meant by that as far as schooling. So I
started to read everything I could about Unschooling. I thought this
site might help!!
I am looking forward to what you have to teach me!!
Carla Raley
Jacksboro, Texas
"As for and my house, we will serve the Lord" Joshua 24:15
trying to get through our internet filter!! I thought I would
introduce myself, then I'm going to go back and read through past
posts to try and get to know you.
I am a mother of seven, ages 24yg, 22yg, 15yb, 13yb, 9yb, 7yb,
4 next week yg. I am the grandmother of 7, my oldest two are
married. I have been married 27 years to my husband, Bill. This is
our 11th year of homeschool. We attend a Mennonite church.
I have tried unschooling for a couple of years, partly due to burn
out, but also because my 13 year old has such a hard time learning
through books, and I would lose my temper with him. Finally, I told
him, "I am no longer your teacher, I am now just your mother." Not
really knowing what I meant by that as far as schooling. So I
started to read everything I could about Unschooling. I thought this
site might help!!
I am looking forward to what you have to teach me!!
Carla Raley
Jacksboro, Texas
"As for and my house, we will serve the Lord" Joshua 24:15
[email protected]
hello,
I just signed up for this list. We have two young boys and this is
the
second year we are homeschooling the 6 year old. Last year we were
pretty casual. Well for some reason this year I decided to buy a
boxed
curriculum. It is going OK. He really likes the math and I am
letting
him go at his own rate. But it is the reading that is bothering me.
He is learing to read OK, but it isn't his favorite. He is reading
the
books that came with the curriculum until the present one. He says
he
doesn't want to read it. So then I said to myself, "I don't want to
make him read a book he doesn't want to read". But he isn't really
interested in reading other books on his own either. We go to the
library a lot and he checks out books on subjects that he is
interested
in. Like right now it is hockey. But they are all adult books, he
just looks at the pictures. Which I think is great, but he has no
interest in learning to read them. The main problem is my husband,
he
wants me to teach him to read and write! So has anyone been in my
situation? Being more relaxed than your significant other? I don't
want to force my son to read and turn him off of it. I am just now
relearning to enjoy reading myself and I want to make sure my son
loves
to read. But I also need to keep my husband satisfied. If I tell
him," Oh he will pick it up in a few years, he will be OK". He won't
like that. Well Sorry to make this so long!
I just signed up for this list. We have two young boys and this is
the
second year we are homeschooling the 6 year old. Last year we were
pretty casual. Well for some reason this year I decided to buy a
boxed
curriculum. It is going OK. He really likes the math and I am
letting
him go at his own rate. But it is the reading that is bothering me.
He is learing to read OK, but it isn't his favorite. He is reading
the
books that came with the curriculum until the present one. He says
he
doesn't want to read it. So then I said to myself, "I don't want to
make him read a book he doesn't want to read". But he isn't really
interested in reading other books on his own either. We go to the
library a lot and he checks out books on subjects that he is
interested
in. Like right now it is hockey. But they are all adult books, he
just looks at the pictures. Which I think is great, but he has no
interest in learning to read them. The main problem is my husband,
he
wants me to teach him to read and write! So has anyone been in my
situation? Being more relaxed than your significant other? I don't
want to force my son to read and turn him off of it. I am just now
relearning to enjoy reading myself and I want to make sure my son
loves
to read. But I also need to keep my husband satisfied. If I tell
him," Oh he will pick it up in a few years, he will be OK". He won't
like that. Well Sorry to make this so long!
Fetteroll
on 11/21/01 11:42 AM, evenson4@... at evenson4@...
wrote:
childbirth that you knew was wrong, would you try to appease him or help him
understand better?
Insisting that your son read when he isn't interested and perhaps isn't
developmentally ready yet will send him the message that there's something
wrong with him. Schools cause most reading problems by insisting kids need
to learn to read by 4th grade. My daughter is 10 and though she can read
fine, is still not comfortable with dense text. How would she feel if she
were being forced to read?
How much will your husband read? John Holt is a good suggestion. If he won't
read full books, try the Unschooling.com message boards. There are articles
available from the home page and a huge number of posts that you could email
him bit by bit. There's even a folder on the message board to discuss
reluctant spouses.
As for writing, boys especially tend to be late physically writing. You can
encourage him by making sure paper and markers are easily accessible so he
can write when the muse strikes him. If he has a story to tell, you can
write it or type it for him as he dictates. Or he can tell it into a tape
recorder or put it on video tape. Then, if he's interested, you can go a
step further and print it out so he can illustrate it and then make it into
a book.
Joyce
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wrote:
> But I also need to keep my husband satisfied. If I tell him," Oh he will pickIf your husband were telling you you needed to do something concerning
> it up in a few years, he will be OK". He won't like that.
childbirth that you knew was wrong, would you try to appease him or help him
understand better?
Insisting that your son read when he isn't interested and perhaps isn't
developmentally ready yet will send him the message that there's something
wrong with him. Schools cause most reading problems by insisting kids need
to learn to read by 4th grade. My daughter is 10 and though she can read
fine, is still not comfortable with dense text. How would she feel if she
were being forced to read?
How much will your husband read? John Holt is a good suggestion. If he won't
read full books, try the Unschooling.com message boards. There are articles
available from the home page and a huge number of posts that you could email
him bit by bit. There's even a folder on the message board to discuss
reluctant spouses.
As for writing, boys especially tend to be late physically writing. You can
encourage him by making sure paper and markers are easily accessible so he
can write when the muse strikes him. If he has a story to tell, you can
write it or type it for him as he dictates. Or he can tell it into a tape
recorder or put it on video tape. Then, if he's interested, you can go a
step further and print it out so he can illustrate it and then make it into
a book.
Joyce
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[email protected]
> How much will your husband read? John Holt is a good suggestion. If he won'tIf he won't read full books, ask him why that is. Did school make it
>
undesireable? Does he just not enjoy reading? Does he think it's more work
than the information gain is worth?
And maybe he will be able to see himself in the same glance he sees his son.
Asking a child to do what a parent won't do is problematical all by itself.
Sandra
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Christine Evenson
>hey, I like this comparison. That is true, because when I was)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>having my first baby I WAS THE BOSS and didn't do anything I felt
>uncomfortable with. I had him read lots of stuff, but he wasn't
>really into the reading thing. Maybe HE was forced to read stuff in
>school and that is why he doesn't like to read!
>If your husband were telling you you needed to do something concerning[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>childbirth that you knew was wrong, would you try to appease him or help him
>understand better?
>)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/9/02 9:52:22 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Hi! Just wanted to let you know that a new member has joined :) We are
Todd, Ren, and our 2 kids (9 & 6) in Missouri, USA. >>
Oh my gosh! Another Ren? I've never met another before.
Welcome.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< Hi! Just wanted to let you know that a new member has joined :) We are
Todd, Ren, and our 2 kids (9 & 6) in Missouri, USA. >>
Oh my gosh! Another Ren? I've never met another before.
Welcome.
Ren
[email protected]
***Too many people take their kids out of school, but they take the school home
with them.***
This is so accurate!
When people question why I don't "make" my kids do school work I answer that if I wanted them to be made to do school work I'd just send them to school... that way they'd resent the teacher and not me.
Patti
with them.***
This is so accurate!
When people question why I don't "make" my kids do school work I answer that if I wanted them to be made to do school work I'd just send them to school... that way they'd resent the teacher and not me.
Patti
[email protected]
***Unschooling is not what you do between the math workbooks and
reading practice. You can't do it part-time.***
Okay, I'm going to pick this out of the conversation only because this has come up a lot recently in my personal life.
It seems that among homeschoolers I know IRL (as well as networking on local lists) like to describe themselves as "mostly unschooling" or "unschooling everything except for math" or other similar definitions.
While I cringe a little, I can't help wondering if it isn't genuinely descriptive of what they do.
In other words, is it only the most radical of unschoolers who can claim the right to that definition, or even a fraction of that definition?
I remember Joyce (Joyce?) saying that it's like an almost-vegan person saying something along the lines of "I'm vegan except for an occasional piece of fish." It's not necessarily claiming to be something they're not... it's more like trying to be very accurate and specific. Or mabye saying "this is the road I'm on, but I'm not quite there yet."
Thoughts?
Patti
reading practice. You can't do it part-time.***
Okay, I'm going to pick this out of the conversation only because this has come up a lot recently in my personal life.
It seems that among homeschoolers I know IRL (as well as networking on local lists) like to describe themselves as "mostly unschooling" or "unschooling everything except for math" or other similar definitions.
While I cringe a little, I can't help wondering if it isn't genuinely descriptive of what they do.
In other words, is it only the most radical of unschoolers who can claim the right to that definition, or even a fraction of that definition?
I remember Joyce (Joyce?) saying that it's like an almost-vegan person saying something along the lines of "I'm vegan except for an occasional piece of fish." It's not necessarily claiming to be something they're not... it's more like trying to be very accurate and specific. Or mabye saying "this is the road I'm on, but I'm not quite there yet."
Thoughts?
Patti
Pam Hartley
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., <patti.schmidt2@v...> wrote:
unschooling" or "unschooling everything except for math" or
other similar definitions.
definition?
I believe there's a line that you cross to unschool, and I don't
believe directing the area of learning that the parents consider
Too Difficult or Too Important to Leave to Chance can legitimately
be called Unschooling.
You can't say, as these people are saying (and yes, I know them
too), "I unschool except of course for this school thing."
I could say, "I'm a man, except for these breasts and ovaries, and
of course my missing penis." Doesn't make it so.
You can't be a vegan who occasionally eats fish. You can't be a
vegetarian who has steaks on Sundays. You can't be a lesbian
who sometimes has sex with men.
You CAN be a relaxed homeschooler who follows formal work
with math and follows the child's interest for everything else. You
can be an eclectic homeschooler.
except for an occasional piece of fish." It's not necessarily
be something they're not, but perhaps Joyce will tell us herself
what she meant. :)
too nervous, so we do formal math and try to relax with everything
else." They could say, "We really love the idea of being vegan, but
we still like fish so we eat that and try to keep to fruits and
veggies for everything else."
Pam
> ***Unschooling is not what you do between the mathworkbooks and
> reading practice. You can't do it part-time.***because this has come up a lot recently in my personal life.
>
> Okay, I'm going to pick this out of the conversation only
> It seems that among homeschoolers I know IRL (as well asnetworking on local lists) like to describe themselves as "mostly
unschooling" or "unschooling everything except for math" or
other similar definitions.
> While I cringe a little, I can't help wondering if it isn't genuinelydescriptive of what they do.
> In other words, is it only the most radical of unschoolers whocan claim the right to that definition, or even a fraction of that
definition?
I believe there's a line that you cross to unschool, and I don't
believe directing the area of learning that the parents consider
Too Difficult or Too Important to Leave to Chance can legitimately
be called Unschooling.
You can't say, as these people are saying (and yes, I know them
too), "I unschool except of course for this school thing."
I could say, "I'm a man, except for these breasts and ovaries, and
of course my missing penis." Doesn't make it so.
You can't be a vegan who occasionally eats fish. You can't be a
vegetarian who has steaks on Sundays. You can't be a lesbian
who sometimes has sex with men.
You CAN be a relaxed homeschooler who follows formal work
with math and follows the child's interest for everything else. You
can be an eclectic homeschooler.
> I remember Joyce (Joyce?) saying that it's like an almost-vegan person saying something along the lines of "I'm vegan
except for an occasional piece of fish." It's not necessarily
>claiming to be something they're not...I would expect that Joyce's point was that it's exactly claiming to
be something they're not, but perhaps Joyce will tell us herself
what she meant. :)
> it's more like trying to be very accurate and specific. Or mabyesaying "this is the road I'm on, but I'm not quite there yet."
>Then they could say, "I really like the idea of unschooling but I'm
too nervous, so we do formal math and try to relax with everything
else." They could say, "We really love the idea of being vegan, but
we still like fish so we eat that and try to keep to fruits and
veggies for everything else."
Pam
kayb85
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Pam Hartley" <pamhartley@m...> wrote:
based unit studies" for a long time. Then I was "I unschool for
everything but Bible-based unit studies". Then i was "I unschool for
everything but Bible-based unit studies and we only do them once in
awhile". I kept getting closer and closer to the line. Then I
enrolled the kids in a cyber school thinking that I was unschooling
because the kids wanted to do it. But when teachers gave assignments
and the kids didn't want to do them, I said, "But you have to because
you signed up for this". Then we quit the cyber school and began
totally unschooling.
Then I started panicking that my son needed to learn how to read.
Actually, he told me that he wanted to learn how to read, which gave
me an excuse to start reading lessons. He didn't like them and
decided he didn't want to learn how to read after all. We quit the
reading lessons. I crossed that line again for about 2 days and made
him do his reading lessons for me "because you told me you wanted
this and we're going to follow this through", but then I came back to
my senses and let it go. Back over that unschooling line again. It's
a nice place to be and I don't want to go back. :) (I'm still not
sure how comfortable I'll be answering grandparent's questions in a
few years if he's not reading.)
I think that some very relaxed homeschoolers see that they're a lot
closer to that line than other relaxed homeschoolers and want to let
people know that. So they call themselves "unschoolers except for
_____" or "a combination of unschooling and unit studies".
Sheila
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., <patti.schmidt2@v...> wrote:genuinely
> > ***Unschooling is not what you do between the math
> workbooks and
> > reading practice. You can't do it part-time.***
> >
> > Okay, I'm going to pick this out of the conversation only
> because this has come up a lot recently in my personal life.
> > It seems that among homeschoolers I know IRL (as well as
> networking on local lists) like to describe themselves as "mostly
> unschooling" or "unschooling everything except for math" or
> other similar definitions.
> > While I cringe a little, I can't help wondering if it isn't
> descriptive of what they do.I was one of those "I unschool for everything but math and Bible-
> > In other words, is it only the most radical of unschoolers who
> can claim the right to that definition, or even a fraction of that
> definition?
>
> I believe there's a line that you cross to unschool, and I don't
> believe directing the area of learning that the parents consider
> Too Difficult or Too Important to Leave to Chance can legitimately
> be called Unschooling.
based unit studies" for a long time. Then I was "I unschool for
everything but Bible-based unit studies". Then i was "I unschool for
everything but Bible-based unit studies and we only do them once in
awhile". I kept getting closer and closer to the line. Then I
enrolled the kids in a cyber school thinking that I was unschooling
because the kids wanted to do it. But when teachers gave assignments
and the kids didn't want to do them, I said, "But you have to because
you signed up for this". Then we quit the cyber school and began
totally unschooling.
Then I started panicking that my son needed to learn how to read.
Actually, he told me that he wanted to learn how to read, which gave
me an excuse to start reading lessons. He didn't like them and
decided he didn't want to learn how to read after all. We quit the
reading lessons. I crossed that line again for about 2 days and made
him do his reading lessons for me "because you told me you wanted
this and we're going to follow this through", but then I came back to
my senses and let it go. Back over that unschooling line again. It's
a nice place to be and I don't want to go back. :) (I'm still not
sure how comfortable I'll be answering grandparent's questions in a
few years if he's not reading.)
I think that some very relaxed homeschoolers see that they're a lot
closer to that line than other relaxed homeschoolers and want to let
people know that. So they call themselves "unschoolers except for
_____" or "a combination of unschooling and unit studies".
Sheila
Nicole Nichol
That's what I was wondering,somebody mentioned getting books from the library to read about certain things,but I would have assumed doing any type of research was not unschooling,I guess I have a lot to learn. :)
Renee
patti.schmidt2@... wrote:***Unschooling is not what you do between the math workbooks and
reading practice. You can't do it part-time.***
Okay, I'm going to pick this out of the conversation only because this has come up a lot recently in my personal life.
It seems that among homeschoolers I know IRL (as well as networking on local lists) like to describe themselves as "mostly unschooling" or "unschooling everything except for math" or other similar definitions.
While I cringe a little, I can't help wondering if it isn't genuinely descriptive of what they do.
In other words, is it only the most radical of unschoolers who can claim the right to that definition, or even a fraction of that definition?
I remember Joyce (Joyce?) saying that it's like an almost-vegan person saying something along the lines of "I'm vegan except for an occasional piece of fish." It's not necessarily claiming to be something they're not... it's more like trying to be very accurate and specific. Or mabye saying "this is the road I'm on, but I'm not quite there yet."
Thoughts?
Patti
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Renee
patti.schmidt2@... wrote:***Unschooling is not what you do between the math workbooks and
reading practice. You can't do it part-time.***
Okay, I'm going to pick this out of the conversation only because this has come up a lot recently in my personal life.
It seems that among homeschoolers I know IRL (as well as networking on local lists) like to describe themselves as "mostly unschooling" or "unschooling everything except for math" or other similar definitions.
While I cringe a little, I can't help wondering if it isn't genuinely descriptive of what they do.
In other words, is it only the most radical of unschoolers who can claim the right to that definition, or even a fraction of that definition?
I remember Joyce (Joyce?) saying that it's like an almost-vegan person saying something along the lines of "I'm vegan except for an occasional piece of fish." It's not necessarily claiming to be something they're not... it's more like trying to be very accurate and specific. Or mabye saying "this is the road I'm on, but I'm not quite there yet."
Thoughts?
Patti
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[email protected]
In a message dated 10/30/02 7:51:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mom23princess@... writes:
Welcome to the list.
Since you don't have time to read a whole book in the middle of a move
(Yuck!) reading the message boards at unschooling.com will really give you
the most info. You can type in a topic to learn about, say "math" or just
pick a folder and start reading. ALL of your answers are probably there.
Here's my take on the difference of the above:
NOT Unschooling:
child likes trains - Mom: Dear child, please go read this book about trains
and we'll discuss it when your done.
Unschooling:
Child speaks enthusiastically: Mom. Mom. Mom. MOM!! Look! There's a train!
Wow! Can we go on a train ride? I wonder how that train goes? Does someone
drive it? Can *I* drive a train? Why don't we ever ride on the train? Where
is it going? Why does it have so many wheels? Next time we go to the library
can we get some train books?etc. etc.
Mom: buys a short ride ticket, brings child to library to look at pictures of
more trains, and reads the hard words for the child. Maybe mom finds some
train coloring pages on internet, sits down and puts together the Briotrain
set with child.
Mom and child have fun and learn together. And when the child learn enough,
when he knows all he WANTS to know, it's over. Mom doesn't continue
overloading with info. Sometimes the interest is one question and answer,
sometimes it is the above, and very occasionally, the child grows up to
become an engineer.
Not a unit study, Not mom's idea, but the child's idea and request for info.
In that interest, the "basics" will come.
In unschooling, Mom (or dad) is not the teacher, s/he is the facilitator. It
helped me to think about how I would treat anyone else, an adult, if they
expressed interest in something. Would I create a lesson plan that involved
reading math science and history? Or would I see a really cool book or video
and buy it as a gift, offering it to the person to Do With It As They Will?
Unschooling involves alot of trust. People are designed to learn about their
environment, their interests. So we trust them to use the tools available to
them (what schools call the basics) to learn about themselves and their
lives. They will learn to read because they need to use that tool to get
information from books. They will learn math because they need that tool to
make good decisions on how to spend their allowances or because they love
making brownies and want to make a double batch. And they learn How to use
those tools by watching otehrs use them. By seeing Mom & Dad pay the bills,
by listening to grownups read out loud.
Children left in a vacuum will learn nothing. Children in an environment
where there is joy in learning, where fun things are available to play with
(note: I dodn't say educational to learn from) where excitement about new
things infects everyone in the family, where Life is right there for them to
join and participate in Now rather than at 18, WILL learn. They will learn
that *learning* is fun and natural and joyful.
But it starts with Trust.
Elissa
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mom23princess@... writes:
> That's what I was wondering,somebody mentioned getting books from theHi Renee,
> library to read about certain things,but I would have assumed doing any
> type of research was not unschooling,I guess I have a lot to learn. :)
> Renee
>
Welcome to the list.
Since you don't have time to read a whole book in the middle of a move
(Yuck!) reading the message boards at unschooling.com will really give you
the most info. You can type in a topic to learn about, say "math" or just
pick a folder and start reading. ALL of your answers are probably there.
Here's my take on the difference of the above:
NOT Unschooling:
child likes trains - Mom: Dear child, please go read this book about trains
and we'll discuss it when your done.
Unschooling:
Child speaks enthusiastically: Mom. Mom. Mom. MOM!! Look! There's a train!
Wow! Can we go on a train ride? I wonder how that train goes? Does someone
drive it? Can *I* drive a train? Why don't we ever ride on the train? Where
is it going? Why does it have so many wheels? Next time we go to the library
can we get some train books?etc. etc.
Mom: buys a short ride ticket, brings child to library to look at pictures of
more trains, and reads the hard words for the child. Maybe mom finds some
train coloring pages on internet, sits down and puts together the Briotrain
set with child.
Mom and child have fun and learn together. And when the child learn enough,
when he knows all he WANTS to know, it's over. Mom doesn't continue
overloading with info. Sometimes the interest is one question and answer,
sometimes it is the above, and very occasionally, the child grows up to
become an engineer.
Not a unit study, Not mom's idea, but the child's idea and request for info.
In that interest, the "basics" will come.
In unschooling, Mom (or dad) is not the teacher, s/he is the facilitator. It
helped me to think about how I would treat anyone else, an adult, if they
expressed interest in something. Would I create a lesson plan that involved
reading math science and history? Or would I see a really cool book or video
and buy it as a gift, offering it to the person to Do With It As They Will?
Unschooling involves alot of trust. People are designed to learn about their
environment, their interests. So we trust them to use the tools available to
them (what schools call the basics) to learn about themselves and their
lives. They will learn to read because they need to use that tool to get
information from books. They will learn math because they need that tool to
make good decisions on how to spend their allowances or because they love
making brownies and want to make a double batch. And they learn How to use
those tools by watching otehrs use them. By seeing Mom & Dad pay the bills,
by listening to grownups read out loud.
Children left in a vacuum will learn nothing. Children in an environment
where there is joy in learning, where fun things are available to play with
(note: I dodn't say educational to learn from) where excitement about new
things infects everyone in the family, where Life is right there for them to
join and participate in Now rather than at 18, WILL learn. They will learn
that *learning* is fun and natural and joyful.
But it starts with Trust.
Elissa
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IHere is the spell checked version!
> Hi Renee,[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Welcome to the list.
> Since you don't have time to read a whole book in the middle of a move
> (Yuck!) reading the message boards at unschooling.com will really give you
> the most info. You can type in a topic to learn about, say "math" or just
> pick a folder and start reading. ALL of your answers are probably there.
> Here's my take on the difference of the above:
> NOT Unschooling:
> child likes trains - Mom: Dear child, please go read this book about trains
>
> and we'll discuss it when your done.
> Unschooling:
> Child speaks enthusiastically: Mom. Mom. Mom. MOM!! Look! There's a train!
> Wow! Can we go on a train ride? I wonder how that train goes? Does someone
> drive it? Can *I* drive a train? Why don't we ever ride on the train? Where
>
> is it going? Why does it have so many wheels? Next time we go to the
> library
> can we get some train books? etc. etc.
> Mom: buys a short ride ticket, brings child to library to look at pictures
> of
> more trains, and reads the hard words for the child. Maybe Mom finds some
> train coloring pages on Internet, sits down and puts together the Brio
> Train
> set with child.
> Mom and child have fun and learn together. And when the child learn enough,
>
> when he knows all he WANTS to know, it's over. Mom doesn't continue
> overloading with info. Sometimes the interest is one question and answer,
> sometimes it is the above, and very occasionally, the child grows up to
> become an engineer.
> Not a unit study, Not mom's idea, but the child's idea and request for
> info.
> In that interest, the "basics" will come.
> In unschooling, Mom (or dad) is not the teacher, s/he is the facilitator.
> It
> helped me to think about how I would treat anyone else, an adult, if they
> expressed interest in something. Would I create a lesson plan that involved
>
> reading math science and history? Or would I see a really cool book or
> video
> and buy it as a gift, offering it to the person to Do With It As They Will?
>
> Unschooling involves a lot of trust. People are designed to learn about
> their
> environment, their interests. So we trust them to use the tools available
> to
> them (what schools call the basics) to learn about themselves and their
> lives. They will learn to read because they need to use that tool to get
> information from books. They will learn math because they need that tool to
>
> make good decisions on how to spend their allowances or because they love
> making brownies and want to make a double batch. And they learn How to use
> those tools by watching others use them. By seeing Mom & Dad pay the bills,
>
> by listening to grownups read out loud.
> Children left in a vacuum will learn nothing. Children in an environment
> where there is joy in learning, where fun things are available to play with
>
> (note: I didn't say educational to learn from) where excitement about new
> things infects everyone in the family, where Life is right there for them
> to
> join and participate in Now rather than at 18, WILL learn. They will learn
> that *learning* is fun and natural and joyful.
> But it starts with Trust.
> Elissa
>
Patricia Reszetylo
Hello,
My name is Patricia Reszetylo, and I live with my husband and our 6-mo son in northern Minnesota. I joined this list last night. I had mentioned to a friend that I was planning on homeschooling and he suggested I look into unschooling.. so here I am.
I guess we are already "unschooling" baby E., given the thread on sex that I read this morning. Both hubby and I think that our culture is way too repressive when it comes to sex, and since we aren't embarrassed about our functioning, and baby finds it interesting, we don't necessarily reserve it for times that he is asleep or at Gramma's. In many (other) cultures, parents do directly teach their children about sex, and watching is the first step.
I haven't told my friends, because they would think I am perverted.
Anyway, I am very interested in the "unschooling" idea, it seems to fit in with MY mindset, so I will be reading and watching and learning how to allow my little guy to learn.
Patricia Reszetylo
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My name is Patricia Reszetylo, and I live with my husband and our 6-mo son in northern Minnesota. I joined this list last night. I had mentioned to a friend that I was planning on homeschooling and he suggested I look into unschooling.. so here I am.
I guess we are already "unschooling" baby E., given the thread on sex that I read this morning. Both hubby and I think that our culture is way too repressive when it comes to sex, and since we aren't embarrassed about our functioning, and baby finds it interesting, we don't necessarily reserve it for times that he is asleep or at Gramma's. In many (other) cultures, parents do directly teach their children about sex, and watching is the first step.
I haven't told my friends, because they would think I am perverted.
Anyway, I am very interested in the "unschooling" idea, it seems to fit in with MY mindset, so I will be reading and watching and learning how to allow my little guy to learn.
Patricia Reszetylo
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Betsy
**
Unschooling:
Child speaks enthusiastically: Mom. Mom. Mom. MOM!! Look! There's a
train!
Wow! Can we go on a train ride? I wonder how that train goes? Does
someone
drive it? Can *I* drive a train? Why don't we ever ride on the train?
Where
is it going? Why does it have so many wheels? Next time we go to the
library
can we get some train books?etc. etc.**
Good description.
I would say that it's fine for mom to get train books from the library
and offer to read them EVEN IF the child does not explicitly ask for
train books.
Betsy
Unschooling:
Child speaks enthusiastically: Mom. Mom. Mom. MOM!! Look! There's a
train!
Wow! Can we go on a train ride? I wonder how that train goes? Does
someone
drive it? Can *I* drive a train? Why don't we ever ride on the train?
Where
is it going? Why does it have so many wheels? Next time we go to the
library
can we get some train books?etc. etc.**
Good description.
I would say that it's fine for mom to get train books from the library
and offer to read them EVEN IF the child does not explicitly ask for
train books.
Betsy
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/30/02 12:30:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:
Elissa
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ecsamhill@... writes:
> I would say that it's fine for mom to get train books from the libraryOf Course!!
> and offer to read them EVEN IF the child does not explicitly ask for
> train books.
>
> Betsy
>
>
Elissa
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Julie Stauffer
<<do you make dinner a math project or what learning is going on>>
Hi Renee,
You are about to engage in a wonderful journey and a major paradigm shift
(at least if you are one of the lucky ones).
Let me see if I can explain:
Adriane (11) wanted to raise dairy goats for 4-H. Not to *Learn* any thing
in particular, just because she thought it would be fun. So she is now a
dairy goat farmer and this is what she has been learning. Just by hanging
out with her goats, she can now tell you the different breeds and some of
the history of the breeds. She has to feed them a particular blend of food,
making sure there is enough protein, so she has a beginning understanding of
nutrition and nutritional sources. She has to breed her goat every year.
(talk about your life sciences crash course as well as genetics). She
understands about parasitic and symbiotic relationships between species due
to worming goats. She milks her goat and keeps records (lots and lots of
math). She sells her milk at cost to a family with a developmentally
disabled baby so she learns about citizenship. We travel to goat shows all
over Texas. Adriane can now read a map, has discovered that she really
likes Sue Grafton mysteries (we listen to them on tape in the pickup), knows
how to meet deadlines because paperwork has to be completed on time or you
are out.
We didn't set out for Adriane to learn any of those things, just for her to
have fun. But unschoolers believe that you can't keep kids from learning
even if you try.
Julie
Hi Renee,
You are about to engage in a wonderful journey and a major paradigm shift
(at least if you are one of the lucky ones).
Let me see if I can explain:
Adriane (11) wanted to raise dairy goats for 4-H. Not to *Learn* any thing
in particular, just because she thought it would be fun. So she is now a
dairy goat farmer and this is what she has been learning. Just by hanging
out with her goats, she can now tell you the different breeds and some of
the history of the breeds. She has to feed them a particular blend of food,
making sure there is enough protein, so she has a beginning understanding of
nutrition and nutritional sources. She has to breed her goat every year.
(talk about your life sciences crash course as well as genetics). She
understands about parasitic and symbiotic relationships between species due
to worming goats. She milks her goat and keeps records (lots and lots of
math). She sells her milk at cost to a family with a developmentally
disabled baby so she learns about citizenship. We travel to goat shows all
over Texas. Adriane can now read a map, has discovered that she really
likes Sue Grafton mysteries (we listen to them on tape in the pickup), knows
how to meet deadlines because paperwork has to be completed on time or you
are out.
We didn't set out for Adriane to learn any of those things, just for her to
have fun. But unschoolers believe that you can't keep kids from learning
even if you try.
Julie
Nicole Nichol
hi julie!
wow!that sounds great!we'd love to do things like that but we don't have a farm or know anybody with animals.maybe that's why unschooling would be harder for me.last night the girls & i were putting sea salt on each others feet & inside the jar was a seashell & they wanted to know all about them,so i said we'd got to the library to get books on them,but if i could go to a beach & they could see seashells,i think they would learn much more than from a book.they are also interested in little house on the prairie but we are far away from missouri or any other landmarks.i think seeing things in person would be much more educational & something they would remember but all we can do is go to the library.my dream would be to live on a small farm & my kids would help raise all the animals & we'd have a huge garden & also maybe make crafts to sell but sadly it's only a dream.my girls are also interested in colonial times & we'd love to have a party "american girl" style but we don't know any girls since we moved up here 3 years ago.i don't have a way to get to any fascinating places.i guess if i had my own car & knew places near by of interest,i could probably do the unschooling thing quite well.are there any members here in my situation & if so how do you unschool?especially with winter coming,i'd like to know what you all do.
Renee :) ...who's hoping to find her way to unschooling
Julie Stauffer <jnjstau@...> wrote:<<do you make dinner a math project or what learning is going on>>
Hi Renee,
You are about to engage in a wonderful journey and a major paradigm shift
(at least if you are one of the lucky ones).
Let me see if I can explain:
Adriane (11) wanted to raise dairy goats for 4-H. Not to *Learn* any thing
in particular, just because she thought it would be fun. So she is now a
dairy goat farmer and this is what she has been learning. Just by hanging
out with her goats, she can now tell you the different breeds and some of
the history of the breeds. She has to feed them a particular blend of food,
making sure there is enough protein, so she has a beginning understanding of
nutrition and nutritional sources. She has to breed her goat every year.
(talk about your life sciences crash course as well as genetics). She
understands about parasitic and symbiotic relationships between species due
to worming goats. She milks her goat and keeps records (lots and lots of
math). She sells her milk at cost to a family with a developmentally
disabled baby so she learns about citizenship. We travel to goat shows all
over Texas. Adriane can now read a map, has discovered that she really
likes Sue Grafton mysteries (we listen to them on tape in the pickup), knows
how to meet deadlines because paperwork has to be completed on time or you
are out.
We didn't set out for Adriane to learn any of those things, just for her to
have fun. But unschoolers believe that you can't keep kids from learning
even if you try.
Julie
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wow!that sounds great!we'd love to do things like that but we don't have a farm or know anybody with animals.maybe that's why unschooling would be harder for me.last night the girls & i were putting sea salt on each others feet & inside the jar was a seashell & they wanted to know all about them,so i said we'd got to the library to get books on them,but if i could go to a beach & they could see seashells,i think they would learn much more than from a book.they are also interested in little house on the prairie but we are far away from missouri or any other landmarks.i think seeing things in person would be much more educational & something they would remember but all we can do is go to the library.my dream would be to live on a small farm & my kids would help raise all the animals & we'd have a huge garden & also maybe make crafts to sell but sadly it's only a dream.my girls are also interested in colonial times & we'd love to have a party "american girl" style but we don't know any girls since we moved up here 3 years ago.i don't have a way to get to any fascinating places.i guess if i had my own car & knew places near by of interest,i could probably do the unschooling thing quite well.are there any members here in my situation & if so how do you unschool?especially with winter coming,i'd like to know what you all do.
Renee :) ...who's hoping to find her way to unschooling
Julie Stauffer <jnjstau@...> wrote:<<do you make dinner a math project or what learning is going on>>
Hi Renee,
You are about to engage in a wonderful journey and a major paradigm shift
(at least if you are one of the lucky ones).
Let me see if I can explain:
Adriane (11) wanted to raise dairy goats for 4-H. Not to *Learn* any thing
in particular, just because she thought it would be fun. So she is now a
dairy goat farmer and this is what she has been learning. Just by hanging
out with her goats, she can now tell you the different breeds and some of
the history of the breeds. She has to feed them a particular blend of food,
making sure there is enough protein, so she has a beginning understanding of
nutrition and nutritional sources. She has to breed her goat every year.
(talk about your life sciences crash course as well as genetics). She
understands about parasitic and symbiotic relationships between species due
to worming goats. She milks her goat and keeps records (lots and lots of
math). She sells her milk at cost to a family with a developmentally
disabled baby so she learns about citizenship. We travel to goat shows all
over Texas. Adriane can now read a map, has discovered that she really
likes Sue Grafton mysteries (we listen to them on tape in the pickup), knows
how to meet deadlines because paperwork has to be completed on time or you
are out.
We didn't set out for Adriane to learn any of those things, just for her to
have fun. But unschoolers believe that you can't keep kids from learning
even if you try.
Julie
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In a message dated 10/29/02 10:00:32 PM, pamhartley@... writes:
<< I believe there's a line that you cross to unschool, and I don't
believe directing the area of learning that the parents consider
Too Difficult or Too Important to Leave to Chance can legitimately
be called Unschooling. >>
I feel that way too. I think what those parents are intending to say is that
reading will open up all the other fields, and that math, once they get the
basics, will be easy.
What they are REALLY saying, to themselves and others without knowing it, is
that they don't really think science and history and geography, music, etc.,
are all that important at all.
Sandra
<< I believe there's a line that you cross to unschool, and I don't
believe directing the area of learning that the parents consider
Too Difficult or Too Important to Leave to Chance can legitimately
be called Unschooling. >>
I feel that way too. I think what those parents are intending to say is that
reading will open up all the other fields, and that math, once they get the
basics, will be easy.
What they are REALLY saying, to themselves and others without knowing it, is
that they don't really think science and history and geography, music, etc.,
are all that important at all.
Sandra
Pam Hartley
----------
Now when he's six YEARS old, I might raise my eyebrows. <g>
Welcome to the list!
Pam
>From: [email protected]step.
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 2583
>Date: Wed, Oct 30, 2002, 11:37 AM
>
> I guess we are already "unschooling" baby E., given the thread on sex that
> I read this morning. Both hubby and I think that our culture is way too
> repressive when it comes to sex, and since we aren't embarrassed about our
> functioning, and baby finds it interesting, we don't necessarily reserve it
> for times that he is asleep or at Gramma's. In many (other) cultures,
> parents do directly teach their children about sex, and watching is the first
>With a six month old, I don't think you're a pervert. :)
> I haven't told my friends, because they would think I am perverted.
Now when he's six YEARS old, I might raise my eyebrows. <g>
Welcome to the list!
Pam
kayb85
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Nicole Nichol <mom23princess@y...>
wrote:
Nicole,
The point isn't that you should have goats and live on a farm in
order to unschool well. The point is that whatever it is that your
kids want to do, you figure out a way to do it if at all possible.
My daughter is upset about our town banning skateboards and
scooters, so we're into this huge civics project, walking the town
doing a survey (and we'll do a graph and figure a percentage of how
many residents are for/against) and getting signatures on a petition,
talking and writing to council members, etc. If I wanted to divide
it into school subjects, I would say we have civics, language arts,
and math. However, I'm not doing this project because I want to
cover those subjects. I'm doing it because it's something that's
important to my daughter. None of it requires us to leave our town.
My boys are into trains. We went (two hours) to Strasburg, PA to
ride on the real Thomas the tank engine. We visited the railroad
museum of PA. We're going on a santa train ride, we're visiting
three other train museums. They have every Thomas toy you could
imagine. We're touring an engine shed.
I can see where life in general would be harder without a car.
But that doesn't mean that you can't follow their interests. Wait
until you see them really excited about something and go for it.
You're right that a trip to the seashore would be better than a
book. If they would really get into it, maybe you could find a way
to earn the money together so that you could take a bus trip? Maybe
sell tupperware or baked goods or do a paper route together, and save
all your profits in a jar?
I can also relate to not having kids around with similar
interests to your kids. My daughter really likes video games but
doesn't really have any friends who are into them. She gets to play
video games with her dad, though, so it's special for them. She
loves American Girl dolls too, but has found a few friends who are
into them and who do that stuff with her. American Girls are popular
among girls in homeschool groups. Do you have any homeschool groups
near you? Where do you live?
Sheila
maybe that's why unschooling would be harder for me.last night the
girls & i were putting sea salt on each others feet & inside the jar
was a seashell & they wanted to know all about them,so i said we'd
got to the library to get books on them,but if i could go to a beach
& they could see seashells,i think they would learn much more than
from a book.they are also interested in little house on the prairie
but we are far away from missouri or any other landmarks.i think
seeing things in person would be much more educational & something
they would remember but all we can do is go to the library.my dream
would be to live on a small farm & my kids would help raise all the
animals & we'd have a huge garden & also maybe make crafts to sell
but sadly it's only a dream.my girls are also interested in colonial
times & we'd love to have a party "american girl" style but we don't
know any girls since we moved up here 3 years ago.i don't have a way
to get to any fascinating places.i guess if i had my own car & knew
places near by of interest,i could probably do the unschooling thing
quite well.are there any members here in my situation & if so how do
you unschool?especially with winter coming,i'd like to know what you
all do.
owner, Helen Hegener (HEM-Editor@h...).
wrote:
>don't have a farm or know anybody with animals.
> hi julie!
> wow!that sounds great!we'd love to do things like that but we
Nicole,
The point isn't that you should have goats and live on a farm in
order to unschool well. The point is that whatever it is that your
kids want to do, you figure out a way to do it if at all possible.
My daughter is upset about our town banning skateboards and
scooters, so we're into this huge civics project, walking the town
doing a survey (and we'll do a graph and figure a percentage of how
many residents are for/against) and getting signatures on a petition,
talking and writing to council members, etc. If I wanted to divide
it into school subjects, I would say we have civics, language arts,
and math. However, I'm not doing this project because I want to
cover those subjects. I'm doing it because it's something that's
important to my daughter. None of it requires us to leave our town.
My boys are into trains. We went (two hours) to Strasburg, PA to
ride on the real Thomas the tank engine. We visited the railroad
museum of PA. We're going on a santa train ride, we're visiting
three other train museums. They have every Thomas toy you could
imagine. We're touring an engine shed.
I can see where life in general would be harder without a car.
But that doesn't mean that you can't follow their interests. Wait
until you see them really excited about something and go for it.
You're right that a trip to the seashore would be better than a
book. If they would really get into it, maybe you could find a way
to earn the money together so that you could take a bus trip? Maybe
sell tupperware or baked goods or do a paper route together, and save
all your profits in a jar?
I can also relate to not having kids around with similar
interests to your kids. My daughter really likes video games but
doesn't really have any friends who are into them. She gets to play
video games with her dad, though, so it's special for them. She
loves American Girl dolls too, but has found a few friends who are
into them and who do that stuff with her. American Girls are popular
among girls in homeschool groups. Do you have any homeschool groups
near you? Where do you live?
Sheila
maybe that's why unschooling would be harder for me.last night the
girls & i were putting sea salt on each others feet & inside the jar
was a seashell & they wanted to know all about them,so i said we'd
got to the library to get books on them,but if i could go to a beach
& they could see seashells,i think they would learn much more than
from a book.they are also interested in little house on the prairie
but we are far away from missouri or any other landmarks.i think
seeing things in person would be much more educational & something
they would remember but all we can do is go to the library.my dream
would be to live on a small farm & my kids would help raise all the
animals & we'd have a huge garden & also maybe make crafts to sell
but sadly it's only a dream.my girls are also interested in colonial
times & we'd love to have a party "american girl" style but we don't
know any girls since we moved up here 3 years ago.i don't have a way
to get to any fascinating places.i guess if i had my own car & knew
places near by of interest,i could probably do the unschooling thing
quite well.are there any members here in my situation & if so how do
you unschool?especially with winter coming,i'd like to know what you
all do.
> Renee :) ...who's hoping to find her way to unschoolingproject or what learning is going on>>
> Julie Stauffer <jnjstau@g...> wrote:<<do you make dinner a math
>shift
> Hi Renee,
>
> You are about to engage in a wonderful journey and a major paradigm
> (at least if you are one of the lucky ones).any thing
>
> Let me see if I can explain:
>
> Adriane (11) wanted to raise dairy goats for 4-H. Not to *Learn*
> in particular, just because she thought it would be fun. So she isnow a
> dairy goat farmer and this is what she has been learning. Just byhanging
> out with her goats, she can now tell you the different breeds andsome of
> the history of the breeds. She has to feed them a particular blendof food,
> making sure there is enough protein, so she has a beginningunderstanding of
> nutrition and nutritional sources. She has to breed her goat everyyear.
> (talk about your life sciences crash course as well as genetics).She
> understands about parasitic and symbiotic relationships betweenspecies due
> to worming goats. She milks her goat and keeps records (lots andlots of
> math). She sells her milk at cost to a family with adevelopmentally
> disabled baby so she learns about citizenship. We travel to goatshows all
> over Texas. Adriane can now read a map, has discovered that shereally
> likes Sue Grafton mysteries (we listen to them on tape in thepickup), knows
> how to meet deadlines because paperwork has to be completed on timeor you
> are out.for her to
>
> We didn't set out for Adriane to learn any of those things, just
> have fun. But unschoolers believe that you can't keep kids fromlearning
> even if you try.~~~~
>
> Julie
>
>
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>i just thought maybe unschoolingIt's not. :) What you're describing is creating a curriculum out of everyday
> was things like,oh there's a book & it's shaped like a rectangle instead of
> just pulling out a math book to learn shapes.
materials instead of a textbook -- it's not unschooling.
Unschooling is sometimes pointing out things that might be useful or
interesting to your particular child at a given time. If he draws a square
and you say, "Great square! I love how you mixed red with purple" and he
says "What's a square?" you would tell him and if he seemed interested could
point to a rectangular box of crackers and tell him what that shape is, and
a circular window and tell him that. As if you were telling an interested
adult some things that he might find pertinent or useful at that given
moment.
>I can see lots of things beingThat's a test and nothing but a test and as such isn't unschooling. :) Now,
> educational,such as cooking b/c you have to measure things,but i get the
> impression that if you ask any questions about it,then it's not
> unschooling.For example,if i tell them to give me half a cup of flour,am i
> wrong to ask how do you get 1/2 cup from a measuiring cup that's 1 cup?
if my daughter were getting more and more interested in cooking (which she
is) I might sometimes explain a fraction-of-the-moment to her but mostly
she's sorted those out without me having to lecture about them or ask her to
prove what she knows -- we just use them and she picks up the concepts as we
go along.
> guess i was thinking unschooling was more strict but i can see i'm farIf the purpose of the question is to find out if they liked the movie and
> off.i guess i kind of see things as surveys since i do so many.lol!i just
> think it's more than normal to ask people whatthey thought about ertain
> things & what was it about,especially movies so i would know if it's
> something i want to see or not.
get a handy movie review for yourself, it's as unschoolish as anything else.
If the purpose of the question is to test their comprehension and see what
they've learned through it, it's not. Motive counts in unschooling.
> i'm just very concerned they will not learn all the things they need toWhat if they don't want to go to college? :) It's not a death sentence. And
> know to get into a college.
even if they do want to go to college, unschoolers can and do and have.
>i've never given my children tests but i wouldSure. And if they show interest in college as they get toward "college age"
> imagine one day i will so they will be prepared for college.
you can point out to them that knowing how to take tests there will be a
useful skill, and you can help them find practice tests and such that they
can do. But to start testing early a child who might not even want college
is unnecessary -- a five or eight year old unschooled child is a long way
from college, and learning how to take tests doesn't require years to
master.
>i do understandIf they have a need to know how to figure out how to add fractions with
> lots of learning comes from daily life,but i don't see how my children
> could ever figure out how to add fractions with different denominators if i
> don't show them by giving them work.
different denominators, they will either develop the skill on their own (I
know it's hard to believe from where you're sitting now. I may be a radical
unschooler but I was still pretty astounded when my always-unschooled
never-seen-a-math-worksheet daughter made up her own one day, for fun, and
showed me later) or, if you see they have a real-life need for that skill
right then, you can offer to show them how to do it. It's different to give
them information relevant-to-now than to prepare against a possible future
educational need.
>is there some strategy unschoolers haveYou could instead just use some cash sometimes. I don't remember how old
> to teach these harder things without resorting to "school work"?another
> example would be adding money,we rarely use cash,use credit cards so i feel
> i had to teach her by buying play money.
your daughter is, but when she has some money of her own to spend, she will
learn all about money and change and such, and right quick. :)
Pam
Mary Bianco
>From: Pam Hartley <pamhartley@...><<With a six month old, I don't think you're a pervert. :)
Now when he's six YEARS old, I might raise my eyebrows. <g>>
Okay, now just out of curiousity because I haven't known of anyone having
sex while their child actually watched. When do you draw the line???
Mary B
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mummyone24@... writes:
Elissa
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mummyone24@... writes:
> Okay, now just out of curiousity because I haven't known of anyone havingWhen they start "watching". A six month old isn't watching, he's just being.
> sex while their child actually watched. When do you draw the line???
>
>
Elissa
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Nicole Nichol
well,in my opinion up to 3 years old is fine,after all they are just babies,they don't know that you are not supposed to see that unless they are told by somebody.besides,that's how that child got here anyways.and if you are under the blankets,for all the child knows,you're not doing anything interesting so it's no big deal. :)
Renee
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mummyone24@... writes:
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> Okay, now just out of curiousity because I haven't known of anyone havingWhen they start "watching". A six month old isn't watching, he's just being.
> sex while their child actually watched. When do you draw the line???
>
>
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>Ain't that the truth! LOL! We just started giving our 5 yo an allowance
> You could instead just use some cash sometimes. I don't
> remember how old
> your daughter is, but when she has some money of her own to
> spend, she will
> learn all about money and change and such, and right quick. :)
(not tied to chores as we don't have them) and it is amazing how quickly
he is picking up on money things. He saves everything to buy new bionicles
(around $8). He is getting really good at identifying coins as well as
being able to add up his dollars. He just learned this week that 5+5=10
because my grandmother and my dad each gave him $5 for halloween and he
was so excited to learn he could go out and get another bionicle immediately!
Then to make things even better, we decided to go to the lego outlet nearby
and they had the figures he wanted marked down to $5 so he was able to get
2 instead of 1.
Money is one thing I have absolutely no doubt that Jason will be able to master.
;o)
Stephanie E.
>
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In a message dated 10/30/02 10:33:25 AM, Earthmomma67@... writes:
<< I would say that it's fine for mom to get train books from the library
Elissa >>
IF she's willing to let them sit quietly and peacefully until she takes them
to the library again unread.
IF the child isn't really interested in the books once they show up at the
house.
Sandra
<< I would say that it's fine for mom to get train books from the library
> and offer to read them EVEN IF the child does not explicitly ask forOf Course!!
> train books.
>
> Betsy
>
>
Elissa >>
IF she's willing to let them sit quietly and peacefully until she takes them
to the library again unread.
IF the child isn't really interested in the books once they show up at the
house.
Sandra
Patricia Reszetylo
Pam,
We'll see what happens when he's six years old - that's a few years down the road!
Patricia
We'll see what happens when he's six years old - that's a few years down the road!
Patricia
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From: Pam Hartley
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: new member
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>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 2583
>Date: Wed, Oct 30, 2002, 11:37 AM
>
> I guess we are already "unschooling" baby E., given the thread on sex that
> I read this morning. Both hubby and I think that our culture is way too
> repressive when it comes to sex, and since we aren't embarrassed about our
> functioning, and baby finds it interesting, we don't necessarily reserve it
> for times that he is asleep or at Gramma's. In many (other) cultures,
> parents do directly teach their children about sex, and watching is the first
step.
>
> I haven't told my friends, because they would think I am perverted.
With a six month old, I don't think you're a pervert. :)
Now when he's six YEARS old, I might raise my eyebrows. <g>
Welcome to the list!
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Mary,
I don't know where or If I draw a line on that. Hubby thinks no line should
be drawn; the whole concept is new to me as I was raised in a very repressed
family. We'll see how long all three of us are comfortable with it.
Patricia
I don't know where or If I draw a line on that. Hubby thinks no line should
be drawn; the whole concept is new to me as I was raised in a very repressed
family. We'll see how long all three of us are comfortable with it.
Patricia
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Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: new member
> >From: Pam Hartley <pamhartley@...>
>
> <<With a six month old, I don't think you're a pervert. :)
>
> Now when he's six YEARS old, I might raise my eyebrows. <g>>
>
>
> Okay, now just out of curiousity because I haven't known of anyone having
> sex while their child actually watched. When do you draw the line???
>
> Mary B
>
>
>
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