Pris

*very* well stated ... now, moving right along ... what else can we talk
about??? hmmmmmm, lets see ... I know, I know ~> I need ideas for *fun*
books/games to read/play (for the kidlets) to take on our road trip next
week (remember we're having our 1st g-baby on Sept 14th!!!) ...

Pris ~> soon to be *SOMEBODY'S* Gramby in *t - 9 days* and YES, I'm counting
:)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Differences with DH


> Well, why am I not surprised. Let us take this rather rambling complaint
> issue by issue.
>
> "This was not an issue." Of course it was, it was the foundation of the
> issue with the hubby, it was included (even though it was not necessary to
> include it), therefore it became part of the issue. Oh, before anyone
goes
> off on "yes it was," to test relevance one asks if one could get an answer
> without given portions of a text. In this case, it does not meet the
test.
> A simple "DH and I have a difference of opinion on discipline issues.
> Anyone have any suggestions on how to bring him around to less
> controlling/forceful type of discipline" would have gotten lots of
> constructive suggestions.
>
> Hmmm, "shortsightedness." Ye ol' Funk and Wagnall deems that to be
> "nearsighted." Well, I would certainly hope that a slam at folks who wear
> glasses was not intended. "Lacking foresight (the act or power of
> foreseeing). Hey, then I certainly qualify as not being shortsighted!
Did
> I not predict this %-}
>
> "Lack of respect." Hmmm, lack works. On both sides! Respect, as defined
> by most dictionaries is: To consider deserving of high regard. O.K., I
> can go with that since most folks don't consider spanking to be "deserving
> of high regard." Now, I'm not thinking that was meant literally and I'm
> thinking the old adage "respect is earned" was kinda forgotten here. So
> just as a btw, one does not have to respect the view of others, it isn't a
> given. One has a right to differing views, one has a right to voice them,
> however one does not have a right to respect.
>
> "Casting them out." I'm not thinking so. In fact, sounds kinda silly to
> even say it.
>
> "Shoving opinions down throats." More exaggeration for arguments sake.
> Poor debating style as use of the delete key was already mentioned several
> times. Thus, since one is not required to read what one does not agree
> with the potential to shove an opinion down someone's throat is
> non-existant.
>
> "Remove from the list." Again, sounds like one of my kids in a snit. I
> have yet to see anyone's remarks even vaguely resemble a threat or
> suggestion of removal.
>
> "Sounds pretty ps" -- well, now if that ain't the pot calling the kettle
> black. <g>
>
> "Oh, and by the way . . ." hehehe, oops sorry, but this is so neener,
> neener, neener that I simply had to take a giggle break. 16 yo son was
> reading it over my shoulder and agreed that the maturity level was what he
> would expect from his ps friends.
>
> Not wanting to be accused of "incorrectness" (not agreeing with fact or
> truth), it should be noted that "all mighty" is one word and has only one
> "L", and if we had "absolute power over all" or were "unlimited in
power,"
> then our correctness (conformance to conventional standards) would mean
> that folks would change and give up pi behaviors.
>
> Lynda
>
> P.S. I have friends who spank. We argue about it all the time. So, I
> asked them about this e-mail (they asked to see the beginning of this
> little bruhaha) and the concensus was that most spankers have more sense
> (survival instincts one friend called it) than to make statements that are
> graphicly descriptive of their spanking methods as they know (and they
> thought all spankers knew since it is continually in the news) that folks
> will come down on them like a ton of bricks. Nan said, and I quote, "the
> description wasn't necessary to the content and she could have gotten the
> advise she supposedly wanted without describing hitting her child. I
> wonder if it was done to cause a stir." Now there's food for thought.
>
> P.S.S. As to the other e-mail, "doesn't mean you have thier knowledge."
I
> AM one of those mandated reporters, therefore the knowledge is first hand.
> I mentioned others because certain parties obviously wouldn't believe a
> word I say.

Tracy Oldfield

not sure about that, but someone on another list (while I was
incommunicado) was asking about music for the trip, stuff that
wouldn't drive her totally nuts either, and I thought of old calypso-
type stuff, Harry Belafonte etc. That's off the top of my head cos
I was recently thinking about it. Hope it helps a little :-)

Tracy

Pris

*music*, that's a great idea, thanks Tracy ... I was also thinking about
getting books on tapes??? I'm sure our library has these to loan but who
knows w/ OUR library??? not the best ...

Pris :)
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have learned how to type ...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] book/game ideas???


>
> not sure about that, but someone on another list (while I was
> incommunicado) was asking about music for the trip, stuff that
> wouldn't drive her totally nuts either, and I thought of old calypso-
> type stuff, Harry Belafonte etc. That's off the top of my head cos
> I was recently thinking about it. Hope it helps a little :-)
>
> Tracy
>
> 
>
>
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Pris

spiffy ideas, thanks ... I'll copy these off :)

Pris
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] book/game ideas???
> The kidlets have a box of games that are small handheld things that are
> magnetic. Also in the box are tablets, word search games, colored
pencils,
> tapes (some are books on tape, some music). Then they play the alphabet
> game (each in succesion has to spot something with a starting letter of
the
> alphabet beginning with A) and the car license plate game (both how many
> states can you find and the alphabet game then number game with license
> plates--first plate has to begin with A, next plate with AB, next with
ABC,
> next with ABC 1, etc.). Then they look for particular kinds of cars to
see
> if they can find one from each manufacturer. Then hard to find colors in
> cars (orange, lavender, purple, baby blue, etc.). They take binoculars
and
> do bird watching, noting the different kinds they find. They also take a
> new book to read and an old favorite for when they get bored with
> everything else.
>
> Lynda
>

Lynda

The kidlets have a box of games that are small handheld things that are
magnetic. Also in the box are tablets, word search games, colored pencils,
tapes (some are books on tape, some music). Then they play the alphabet
game (each in succesion has to spot something with a starting letter of the
alphabet beginning with A) and the car license plate game (both how many
states can you find and the alphabet game then number game with license
plates--first plate has to begin with A, next plate with AB, next with ABC,
next with ABC 1, etc.). Then they look for particular kinds of cars to see
if they can find one from each manufacturer. Then hard to find colors in
cars (orange, lavender, purple, baby blue, etc.). They take binoculars and
do bird watching, noting the different kinds they find. They also take a
new book to read and an old favorite for when they get bored with
everything else.

Lynda

----------
> From: Pris <x_t_sipr@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] book/game ideas???
> Date: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:37 AM
>
>
>
> *very* well stated ... now, moving right along ... what else can we talk
> about??? hmmmmmm, lets see ... I know, I know ~> I need ideas for *fun*
> books/games to read/play (for the kidlets) to take on our road trip next
> week (remember we're having our 1st g-baby on Sept 14th!!!) ...
>
> Pris ~> soon to be *SOMEBODY'S* Gramby in *t - 9 days* and YES, I'm
counting
> :)
> WARNING: I cannot be help responsible for the above, as apparently my
cats
> have learned how to type ...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Differences with DH
>
>
> > Well, why am I not surprised. Let us take this rather rambling
complaint
> > issue by issue.
> >
> > "This was not an issue." Of course it was, it was the foundation of
the
> > issue with the hubby, it was included (even though it was not necessary
to
> > include it), therefore it became part of the issue. Oh, before anyone
> goes
> > off on "yes it was," to test relevance one asks if one could get an
answer
> > without given portions of a text. In this case, it does not meet the
> test.
> > A simple "DH and I have a difference of opinion on discipline issues.
> > Anyone have any suggestions on how to bring him around to less
> > controlling/forceful type of discipline" would have gotten lots of
> > constructive suggestions.
> >
> > Hmmm, "shortsightedness." Ye ol' Funk and Wagnall deems that to be
> > "nearsighted." Well, I would certainly hope that a slam at folks who
wear
> > glasses was not intended. "Lacking foresight (the act or power of
> > foreseeing). Hey, then I certainly qualify as not being shortsighted!
> Did
> > I not predict this %-}
> >
> > "Lack of respect." Hmmm, lack works. On both sides! Respect, as
defined
> > by most dictionaries is: To consider deserving of high regard. O.K.,
I
> > can go with that since most folks don't consider spanking to be
"deserving
> > of high regard." Now, I'm not thinking that was meant literally and
I'm
> > thinking the old adage "respect is earned" was kinda forgotten here.
So
> > just as a btw, one does not have to respect the view of others, it
isn't a
> > given. One has a right to differing views, one has a right to voice
them,
> > however one does not have a right to respect.
> >
> > "Casting them out." I'm not thinking so. In fact, sounds kinda silly
to
> > even say it.
> >
> > "Shoving opinions down throats." More exaggeration for arguments sake.
> > Poor debating style as use of the delete key was already mentioned
several
> > times. Thus, since one is not required to read what one does not agree
> > with the potential to shove an opinion down someone's throat is
> > non-existant.
> >
> > "Remove from the list." Again, sounds like one of my kids in a snit.
I
> > have yet to see anyone's remarks even vaguely resemble a threat or
> > suggestion of removal.
> >
> > "Sounds pretty ps" -- well, now if that ain't the pot calling the
kettle
> > black. <g>
> >
> > "Oh, and by the way . . ." hehehe, oops sorry, but this is so neener,
> > neener, neener that I simply had to take a giggle break. 16 yo son was
> > reading it over my shoulder and agreed that the maturity level was what
he
> > would expect from his ps friends.
> >
> > Not wanting to be accused of "incorrectness" (not agreeing with fact or
> > truth), it should be noted that "all mighty" is one word and has only
one
> > "L", and if we had "absolute power over all" or were "unlimited in
> power,"
> > then our correctness (conformance to conventional standards) would mean
> > that folks would change and give up pi behaviors.
> >
> > Lynda
> >
> > P.S. I have friends who spank. We argue about it all the time. So, I
> > asked them about this e-mail (they asked to see the beginning of this
> > little bruhaha) and the concensus was that most spankers have more
sense
> > (survival instincts one friend called it) than to make statements that
are
> > graphicly descriptive of their spanking methods as they know (and they
> > thought all spankers knew since it is continually in the news) that
folks
> > will come down on them like a ton of bricks. Nan said, and I quote,
"the
> > description wasn't necessary to the content and she could have gotten
the
> > advise she supposedly wanted without describing hitting her child. I
> > wonder if it was done to cause a stir." Now there's food for thought.
> >
> > P.S.S. As to the other e-mail, "doesn't mean you have thier
knowledge."
> I
> > AM one of those mandated reporters, therefore the knowledge is first
hand.
> > I mentioned others because certain parties obviously wouldn't believe a
> > word I say.
>
>
>
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These are great ideas....any ideas for really little ones like 3 and 1....I
am taking a 5hr trip in a couple of week and not looking forward to the
drive....

Julie

Tracy Oldfield

Boxes of plasters! Specially the multicoloured ones *grin* Big
mess, but keep 'em quiet for ages!! LOL. Oh, and I know it's not
seen as best practice, but if you can, put one in front and one adult
sit with each child, then the adult in the back can pass things back
and forward without too much mucking about. Erm, I know I
have many more in my head, but not in a fit state to retrieve 'em
right now. I'll think about it while I'm in the bath. Or maybe not
*grin*




Tracy
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In a message dated 9/5/00 4:05:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tracy.oldfield@... writes:

<< Boxes of plasters! Specially the multicoloured ones *grin* Big
mess, but keep 'em quiet for ages!! LOL. Oh, and I know it's not
seen as best practice, but if you can, put one in front and one adult
sit with each child, then the adult in the back can pass things back
and forward without too much mucking about. Erm, I know I
have many more in my head, but not in a fit state to retrieve 'em
right now. I'll think about it while I'm in the bath. Or maybe not
*grin* >>
good idea about the plaster! I am going it alone : ( (just one way on this
5 hr drive) big challenge for Mommy!

Enjoy your bath!
Julie

Tracy Oldfield

Thanks, Julie, I did *grin* 5 hours solo with 2 little'uns? hmm.
tricky. But then, they're at an age where they might sleep a lot
still, if you can set off early in the morning or close to their
bedtime that might help. We did a 6hr trip when Abi was 6mo,
set off with 'em both in their jammies, they slept for most of the
trip, and we arrived about 2pm, which was nice. I did practically
the same trip last year, me with my 2 kids and 2 teenage girls I'd
never met before, to go camping at a home-ed festival. Now that
was fun!! I'm not giving you much in the way of ideas here, am
I? Enough story-tapes that you're not going to get driven nuts by
the same thing. Oh, and LOTS to eat. My mum has a thing
about giving children food in cars, she worries about choking. But
it's that or you crash the car from distraction from tetchy kids, so
what do you do? Let go of worry, I say!! Oh, and here's a story.
2 years ago, I went on holiday with my mum cos dh couldn't take
the time off. He drove the kids up, though and came to pick us up
the following weekend, cos Mum's car was smaller than ours and
we weren't travelling light. By the time we got about ten miles
from our destination (out of 80 or so) the kids were both bawling
their eyes out and dh was really fed-up. Trying to stay cheerful,
he saw some sheep, and went 'Sheep! Baaaaaaa!!!!!' to which
Heather replied 'oh, Daddy, no more sheep!!!' LOL

Anyway, good luck with your trip!
Tracy

Pris

Hi Tracy ...

exactly what are *plasters*??? sounds like great fun :)

Pris
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] book/game ideas???

> Boxes of plasters! Specially the multicoloured ones *grin* Big
> mess, but keep 'em quiet for ages!! LOL. Oh, and I know it's not
> seen as best practice, but if you can, put one in front and one adult
> sit with each child, then the adult in the back can pass things back
> and forward without too much mucking about. Erm, I know I
> have many more in my head, but not in a fit state to retrieve 'em
> right now. I'll think about it while I'm in the bath. Or maybe not
> *grin*
> Tracy

Cathie _

How old are the kidlets? My sister just drove from WA to OH and said that
her kids were getting into Harry Potter on tape. Hers are 5 and 7. She also
said the vcr was a life saver!

We like to play our ABC game-take turns finding things that begin with each
letter. We like trivia-we have used books, trivial pursuit cards, and
pamphlets that you pick up as you travel-we read them aloud and it always
strikes up some interesting conversations.

We delivered some boxes of old homeschool junk from one family to another,
on its way to the Home School Resource Center and got first chance to dig
through the stuff. The boys found some magnetic games like the IQ games at
some restaurants that they have played over and over trying to beat
themselves.

They also found a car bingo game you could easily make. It has pictures of
different things you see along the road-a fence, a horse, a cow, a bridge,
etc...Each card has the same pictures but in different layout. You cover
each one with a magnet as you spot the things. I'd probably do it with dry
erase markers or those bingo markers. If you were going to a city you could
even take pictures out of a brochure to make the cards-see who spots the
arch or the flood walls of St. Louis, for example.

I like this topic much better.

Cathie


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I have two kids in their teens now, and we had a little trouble agreeing on
radio stations. We started listening to classical-something different from
all of our first choices, and now we are all getting to like it.

Cathie

>
>not sure about that, but someone on another list (while I was
>incommunicado) was asking about music for the trip, stuff that
>wouldn't drive her totally nuts either, and I thought of old calypso-
>type stuff, Harry Belafonte etc. That's off the top of my head cos
>I was recently thinking about it. Hope it helps a little :-)
>
>Tracy
>
>

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Julie,
My little ones have been traveling for years now. When dd was 2 weeks old,
we drove from Nashville to Maryland. We have also driven to Texas from
Maryland and back twice!! We try to time it so that they sleep a lot. My
aunt got me this great book 365 travel games and activities. Some of the
ones I like include Radio drawing where the kids listen to the radio and draw
what they think the music looks like - what instruments they hear, is the
music loud, soft, fast slow happy , sad, etc.
Just Imagine - where the kids talk about what they would do IF : you grew
wings overnight, you could see in the dark, you had four arms instead of two,
you were giant, small, etc., there are several word games but I couldn't
remember your little ones ages. Feel free to email me offlist and I can give
you more info.

Sandy

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We would always flip around the dial. On long trips especially there was
always a wide variety and we drove through different areas.

Sandy

Lynda

Felt boards and static cling boards (is that what they are called?), little
tykes etch a sketch, little kid casette players with their favorite
sing-alongs and fairy tales on tape, play boards that belt onto the car
seats, nerf toys, and lots of finger foods (take apples, oranges, pears,
peel and slice and then drizzle with a little lemon juice diluted 1 to 5
with water and they won't turn brown) and lots of drinks in those sippy
containers (you can get the small ones for bicycles and put them in the
freezer with about varying degrees of drink in them--for your two kids, 2
with 1 inch, 2 with 2 inches, 2 with 3 inches, etc.; then the next morning
just before leaving you fill them up. You don't need to worry too much
about the ice chest as they are their own cooler). You can do this with
milk, too. I always took one with milk and a couple with juice (like Juicy
Juice and apple juice, nothing with added sugar).

Lynda, who has probably logged well over 200,000 miles with the kidlets <g>
and you wonder why I am slightly nuts <g>
----------
> From: Jaam1224@...
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] book/game ideas???
> Date: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:46 AM
>
>
> These are great ideas....any ideas for really little ones like 3 and
1....I
> am taking a 5hr trip in a couple of week and not looking forward to the
> drive....
>
> Julie
>
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Ashling Ranch

Julie,

We used to travel from the Washington, DC burbs to Texas fairly frequently.
First trip was when Abby was under 1 and Lori was 3. Have done it several
times since then. They are now 15 and 19. Anyway, I used to prepare a
goodie bag for each one. You know the neat shopping bag type totes. Well
they come in several sizes -- will accommodate whatever goodies need to fit
within! Right now I can't remember the ages of your kidlets. BUT here are a
few suggestions for filling the bags: Depending upon age-- markers,
crayolas, coloring pencils, etc. and lots of cool colored paper of various
types (colored note pads, stationary, coloring pages) sketch books,
journals, fill in the blank silly fun books (mad libs, I think they are
called that), OR the neat write and erase boards that RoseArt has out under
10 bucks at Walmart and well work it). Next everybody needs a good book!
If you have babies -- the chewable kind will work or hardboard for the
somewhat older babies. Baby could probably use a new toy--teddy bear so
something like that. They also need travel games. Another fun thing to
include is the Rand McNally Kid maps with cool activities and facts about
the areas where they will be traveling through and to! The biggy is treats!
Include fruit, a special treat (candy bar or favorite granola bar), etc.

Make sure everyone gets a separate bag of their own. They should be
distinctly *Built* for the recipient. One way to prevent squabbles about
who gets which bag is to pick out bags based upon favorite colors, hobbies,
or cartoon type characters. You might want to tie a cute curly ribbon on
each one and make it seem like a really special present for the trip. You
can even stress that the presents are a reward because you *just know* that
everyone is going to be on their best behavior!

The Wee Sing and Play tapes and the Are We There Yet tapes can be fun for
awhile--if you set a limit on the time that they can be played! The old
license plates game and the A to Z letters game (found on signs along the
roadway) are also fun for a limited amount of time!

Pack a cooler full of juice, water, or whatever suits your fancy and DON"T
sweat the small stuff like spills in the car.

Most of all --- just enjoy your time with the kids!

Melodie (fondly remembering our trips)

Barbara Potgieter

I haven't done any long car trips with my three kids, but I've done the 24 hour flight from NY to Singapore many times (my three are 3,3, and 4m).  About the most popular thing is a big snack box.  Each kid gets their own one, and I put a HUGE variety of stuff in it - two each of a variety of cookies, little raisin boxes, pieces of other dried fruit, little boxes of dry cereal (I save all those little individual serving raisin boxes and fill them with cheerios, rice krispies, etc.), mini rice cakes - anything that can be easily cleaned up:)  This keeps them busy for ages sorting through their box and picking out the next snack. 
Mini magnet boards and magna doodles keep them busy a while too, as does a bag of colored pipe cleaners.  Those party favor size tubs of play doh combined with a heavy duty board book (they put the play doh on the book to "change" the story - delete or add characters/objects) fill up some time too.  I also bring beads and thread to make necklaces.  BTW I find that putting each activity in a separate Ziploc bag works well, and each kid puts the activity back in the bag when they're done so it's ready for the next person.  My son lately insists on bringing his binoculars with him on all trips, and they keep him busy, although sometimes my older daughter gets upset if he can see something she can't.  I your kids aren't the sort to put stuff near their faces, then a styrofoam block with a collection of golf tees to stick in it also passes time, although it can make a big mess!
And of course we always bring a carry on bag that has nothing but books in it - still the all time favorite activity.
 
Barbara

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In a message dated 9/5/00 11:45:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cathie_98@... writes:

<< How old are the kidlets? >>
they are 3 and 1....still babies


Thanks everyone for all the great ideas...I am making a list of suggestions,
in prep for the trip...

You All are great!
Julie

Tracy Oldfield

Plasters, er, sticking plasters, Elastoplast, ah! now I have it, Band-
aids!!! Separated by a common language once again...



Tracy
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Tracy Oldfield

Melodie, where in the DC 'burbs' are you? My dh's db and family
live in Fairfax, is that anywhere near you? We'd love to go over
and visit 'em, but I kind-of wonder if I'd go nuts, since their life is
so opposite ours (bil's wife went back to work within weeks of
birth, as standard, and justified it by saying that they daycare
people would be better at it than her, as if that makes a
difference, babies need mothers!!!!!!, but I digress, as usual...)
So if you are in that neck of the proverbial woods, I'd love to have
some contact with someone more on my wavelength while I was
there.

Tracy

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Here's something that was a hit on our car trip earlier this summer: Crayola
has a new product called Mess Free Color Wonder. I don't know if any other
companies are copying it. The markers only work on special paper, and don't
mark clothes or car upholstery. I bought the basic kit, which is a coloring
book and 6 markers in a little mesh bag that attaches to the coloring book.
I also bought a pad of the special blank paper.

Everything comes in a sealed package decked out with the familiar green and
yellow Crayola design. I bought them at Target, and they weren't expensive
as I recall.

The only thing I didn't like is that the coloring book is designed so that
you can't color outside the lines. The color only shows up inside the lines.
That may be fine for my 3 year old, but my 7 year old wanted to use a little
more imagination! But the blank pad had no such limitations. Despite the
little restriction, they had a lot of fun with these.

Carron

Tracy Oldfield

This just reminded me of the 'paint-in-a-baggie' thing where you
put two colours of paint in a sealed-up bag (good, strong ziploc
bag is probably necessary so it doesn't get holes poked in it) you
can rest it on a board or something and the child can squidge it all
around with their fingers. I can't rememebr the exact in
structions, will have to go ask another list if anyone's interested, or
maybe there's someone out there who knows what i'm talking
about? (not sure if I do, LOL)

Tracy