unschooling teenagers
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Hi- I'm another person who's new to this list.
I'm also another one who passed the GED without studying. I dropped out
of high school at age 16 and at age 25 decided to go to college.
After I had been going to our local community college for a year, they
sent me a letter saying that I needed to get a GED if I wanted to
continue there. I went and took the test and passed the first time and
with high scores.
I don't regret leaving high school at all and my son is also planning on
going to community college for the first 2 years. (He'll probably take
his GED first).
By the way, my name is Diane. I'm a single mom of 3: 2 sons, ages 13 and
7; one daughter, age 11. We started homeschooling in September and
unschooling followed shortly after.
I'm also another one who passed the GED without studying. I dropped out
of high school at age 16 and at age 25 decided to go to college.
After I had been going to our local community college for a year, they
sent me a letter saying that I needed to get a GED if I wanted to
continue there. I went and took the test and passed the first time and
with high scores.
I don't regret leaving high school at all and my son is also planning on
going to community college for the first 2 years. (He'll probably take
his GED first).
By the way, my name is Diane. I'm a single mom of 3: 2 sons, ages 13 and
7; one daughter, age 11. We started homeschooling in September and
unschooling followed shortly after.
Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall
At 02:16 PM 6/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
I left ps and went to an independent study hs for a while. Then, at 16 I
took my GED without studying a lick and passed with very high scores.
Nanci K. in Idaho
>From: bumblebee33@...OK, I took my GED as well. When I took control of my own education at 14,
>
>I'm also another one who passed the GED without studying.
I left ps and went to an independent study hs for a while. Then, at 16 I
took my GED without studying a lick and passed with very high scores.
Nanci K. in Idaho
Monica L. Molinar
Does anyone here happen to know if there is an age requirement for taking the
GED? What if you've got a child who isn't quite a teen, but is interested in
going this route??
Thanks,
Monica
GED? What if you've got a child who isn't quite a teen, but is interested in
going this route??
Thanks,
Monica
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In a message dated 6/23/99 3:32:34 PM PST, Monica@... writes:
<<
Does anyone here happen to know if there is an age requirement for taking the
GED? What if you've got a child who isn't quite a teen, but is interested in
going this route??
Thanks,
Monica >>
Depends on the state, but in almost all the MINIMUM is age 16.
<<
Does anyone here happen to know if there is an age requirement for taking the
GED? What if you've got a child who isn't quite a teen, but is interested in
going this route??
Thanks,
Monica >>
Depends on the state, but in almost all the MINIMUM is age 16.
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GED tests can be taken after the 16th birthday. Lynnie
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<<Does anyone here happen to know if there is an age requirement for taking
the
GED? What if you've got a child who isn't quite a teen, but is interested in
going this route??
In New Mexico you're supposed to be 18 or past the graduation date of people
you went to school with (or some such) but in Arizona, 15 is okay. I know
one family for sure and others have considered (and maybe did) the drive to
Flagstaff from Albuquerque, and get it over with that way.
the
GED? What if you've got a child who isn't quite a teen, but is interested in
going this route??
>>Its different state to state. I doubt anyplace is doing pre-teens, though.
In New Mexico you're supposed to be 18 or past the graduation date of people
you went to school with (or some such) but in Arizona, 15 is okay. I know
one family for sure and others have considered (and maybe did) the drive to
Flagstaff from Albuquerque, and get it over with that way.
[email protected]
Me too, me too. I took my GED without studying in 1985 a few months
after dropping out of Highschool and turning 16. I dropped out because
my gpa dropped below a 3.75. I saw no point in continuing in that
negative social environment that had totally eroded my sense of self
worth despite my good grades. You can't spend 11 years in a situation
where you are told on a daily basis that you are not acceptable, no
matter what you do, because of how you look (I was poor and fat) without
it having some negative effect on you. I can't even begin to list all
the awful, horrible things I have endured in my life since I left school
because of what happened to me in school. I have now, finally, almost 15
yrs later, begun to realize that I have some worth. I couldn't ever
imagine sending my children into that kind of a situation. Looking back
I see that my parents would have been great unschooling parents if only
they had known it was an option. My home life was full of learning
opportunities. I remember my parents taking us with them almost
everywhere, even places most people wouldn't take their children. I
always thought we were different because all three of us could socialize
well with adults from a very early age, we just had trouble with our
peers. It turns out that this is a more desirable situation. My children
can also socialize well with people of all ages. It makes no sense to me
that the system expects children to learn in a peer segregated
situation. I was so peer dependant it wasn't funny, but take me away
from that situation and I fit in pretty well. Anyway, I am sure I am
preaching to the choir. I just wanted to add my .02 to the fray. I
thank God for giving me the opportunity to learn that there is life not
only beyond school but without school completely. btw, when i got my
GED I went to community college for a few quarters and the social
situation there was so different than High School. I believe more so
than a University would be since many of the people at the community
college were older, going back for further education, as opposed to a
university where the majority are fresh out of highschool. I highly
recommend it as a transitional place for teens who want to go to
college.
Who mentioned Star Trek a while back? I missed the beginning of that
one. Did anyone mention Wesley Crusher? He was an unschooler to a
degree. At least he was self motivated, doing interest based learning
and self education.
Mary in Idaho (who just couldn't bear to drop off this list and is glad
to see it has slowed down to a manageable level)
ps. my spellchecker doesn't recognize unschool as a word! maybe we need
to have a talk with the folks at Websters. <g>
after dropping out of Highschool and turning 16. I dropped out because
my gpa dropped below a 3.75. I saw no point in continuing in that
negative social environment that had totally eroded my sense of self
worth despite my good grades. You can't spend 11 years in a situation
where you are told on a daily basis that you are not acceptable, no
matter what you do, because of how you look (I was poor and fat) without
it having some negative effect on you. I can't even begin to list all
the awful, horrible things I have endured in my life since I left school
because of what happened to me in school. I have now, finally, almost 15
yrs later, begun to realize that I have some worth. I couldn't ever
imagine sending my children into that kind of a situation. Looking back
I see that my parents would have been great unschooling parents if only
they had known it was an option. My home life was full of learning
opportunities. I remember my parents taking us with them almost
everywhere, even places most people wouldn't take their children. I
always thought we were different because all three of us could socialize
well with adults from a very early age, we just had trouble with our
peers. It turns out that this is a more desirable situation. My children
can also socialize well with people of all ages. It makes no sense to me
that the system expects children to learn in a peer segregated
situation. I was so peer dependant it wasn't funny, but take me away
from that situation and I fit in pretty well. Anyway, I am sure I am
preaching to the choir. I just wanted to add my .02 to the fray. I
thank God for giving me the opportunity to learn that there is life not
only beyond school but without school completely. btw, when i got my
GED I went to community college for a few quarters and the social
situation there was so different than High School. I believe more so
than a University would be since many of the people at the community
college were older, going back for further education, as opposed to a
university where the majority are fresh out of highschool. I highly
recommend it as a transitional place for teens who want to go to
college.
Who mentioned Star Trek a while back? I missed the beginning of that
one. Did anyone mention Wesley Crusher? He was an unschooler to a
degree. At least he was self motivated, doing interest based learning
and self education.
Mary in Idaho (who just couldn't bear to drop off this list and is glad
to see it has slowed down to a manageable level)
ps. my spellchecker doesn't recognize unschool as a word! maybe we need
to have a talk with the folks at Websters. <g>
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Dear Starfreedom,
Thank you for your touching story, which, I'm sure reflects many of
our pasts, as well. I have always held the theory that if children do well
academically in school, it is in spite of, not because of, their school
experience.
I have found in working with and teaching parents for 15 years, that
the kids that do well academically in schools only do so because they bring
the work HOME and do it there (they call it homework).
What the heck do they do with the kids in school for 6-7 hours a day?
Who knows! (Of course, we know - it's that stupid socialization cr-p). But
I really believe that the only ones who succeed in school (academically) are
the ones who, after school hours, are "schooling" themselves at home, by
doing their projects and homework ON THEIR OWN (with help from their
PARENTS).
So, therefore, IMO, they, too are homeschooling. Quid pro
quo...homeschooling kids are the ONLY ones who succeed academically, whether
they are in school or homeschooling. Any other theories? Lynnie in WA
Thank you for your touching story, which, I'm sure reflects many of
our pasts, as well. I have always held the theory that if children do well
academically in school, it is in spite of, not because of, their school
experience.
I have found in working with and teaching parents for 15 years, that
the kids that do well academically in schools only do so because they bring
the work HOME and do it there (they call it homework).
What the heck do they do with the kids in school for 6-7 hours a day?
Who knows! (Of course, we know - it's that stupid socialization cr-p). But
I really believe that the only ones who succeed in school (academically) are
the ones who, after school hours, are "schooling" themselves at home, by
doing their projects and homework ON THEIR OWN (with help from their
PARENTS).
So, therefore, IMO, they, too are homeschooling. Quid pro
quo...homeschooling kids are the ONLY ones who succeed academically, whether
they are in school or homeschooling. Any other theories? Lynnie in WA
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/24/99 4:27:36 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Does anyone here happen to know if there is an age requirement for taking
the
GED? What if you've got a child who isn't quite a teen, but is interested in
going this route?? >>
I think it depends on your state. In Illinois, you can't take the GED until
the class you would have graduated with has graduated. At least that's what
it was a few years ago when my brother took it. He had to wait 'till he was
18.
Mary C
[email protected] writes:
<< Does anyone here happen to know if there is an age requirement for taking
the
GED? What if you've got a child who isn't quite a teen, but is interested in
going this route?? >>
I think it depends on your state. In Illinois, you can't take the GED until
the class you would have graduated with has graduated. At least that's what
it was a few years ago when my brother took it. He had to wait 'till he was
18.
Mary C
Johanna
I noticed in Julie's last post, you homeschool a
teenager. We have been homeschooling for three years, mostly me assigning and
reviewing. I have stumbled on unschooling recently and am enthralled.All the
conversations on this group really encourage me. we have 6 children of ours and
my niece also lives with me for this year. My concern right now is the
teenagers, dd 16 and homeschooling and ds 14 and in public school by his choice.
He wants to homescool next year. How do I give them the freedom they need
and encourage them to learn as they want when I have to meet course requirements
for graduation in the state I live in? I don't worry about other peoples
opinions per se, but I greatly fear "government problems" Been through some and
they leave me shaken. If anyone has unschooled a teenager after many years of ps
I would love to hear their views. Also anyone who has unschooled through all
their education who can share their experience. My niece is
so indoctrinated with the ps mentality, she asks me for permission to
do things most people do independently. Thanks
Johanna
Russ Anderson
Hi Johanna,
You're in Tennessee, right? I'm not familiar with the requirements there,
but in MO hm'schoolers have it pretty simple. Since my dd is 16, she can
legally be out of 'school'. We are not impressed with the GED or with any
other paper document that resembles a diploma..no real meaning and just a
hoop that we refuse to jump though. But if a diploma would ever be required,
they are available at Office Supply Stores, or we could print her up
something equally impressive on the computer.
If Emily does chose to go to college later, then she will need to take the
ACT..and do whatever that college requires, but will cross that bridge when
and if she gets there.
Emily has always been very Art and Science oriented. For example,
MO law states that 'science' must be taught each year, but it doesn't say
what sort of science. She has mostly studied biology, with a special
interest in Reptiles and Amphibians.. Also Botany, mainly mushrooms, ferns
and tree grafting.
She and I have both kept journals over the years, so I am confident that I
could come up with plenty of evidence that learning is and has taken place,
if I was ever pressed to do so.
I'm sure your niece will need some 'down time'..to figure out what she is
interested in, what direction she wants to go, and to realize that she can
think and chose for herself now. I highly recommend the "Teenage Liberation
Handbook" and "Real Lives, eleven teenagers who don't go to school" both are
by Grace Llewellyn.
Julie in MO
also lives >with me for this year. My concern right now is the teenagers, dd
16 and >homeschooling and ds 14 and in public school by his choice. He wants
to >homescool next year. How do I give them the freedom they need and
encourage >them to learn as they want when I have to meet course
requirements for >graduation in the state I live in? I don't worry about
other peoples opinions per >se, but I greatly fear "government problems"
Been through some and they leave >me shaken. If anyone has unschooled a
teenager after many years of ps I >would love to hear their views. Also
anyone who has unschooled through all >their education who can share their
experience. My niece is so indoctrinated >with the ps mentality, she asks me
for permission to do things most people do >independently. Thanks
You're in Tennessee, right? I'm not familiar with the requirements there,
but in MO hm'schoolers have it pretty simple. Since my dd is 16, she can
legally be out of 'school'. We are not impressed with the GED or with any
other paper document that resembles a diploma..no real meaning and just a
hoop that we refuse to jump though. But if a diploma would ever be required,
they are available at Office Supply Stores, or we could print her up
something equally impressive on the computer.
If Emily does chose to go to college later, then she will need to take the
ACT..and do whatever that college requires, but will cross that bridge when
and if she gets there.
Emily has always been very Art and Science oriented. For example,
MO law states that 'science' must be taught each year, but it doesn't say
what sort of science. She has mostly studied biology, with a special
interest in Reptiles and Amphibians.. Also Botany, mainly mushrooms, ferns
and tree grafting.
She and I have both kept journals over the years, so I am confident that I
could come up with plenty of evidence that learning is and has taken place,
if I was ever pressed to do so.
I'm sure your niece will need some 'down time'..to figure out what she is
interested in, what direction she wants to go, and to realize that she can
think and chose for herself now. I highly recommend the "Teenage Liberation
Handbook" and "Real Lives, eleven teenagers who don't go to school" both are
by Grace Llewellyn.
Julie in MO
>I noticed in Julie's last post, you homeschool a teenager. We have beenthis >group really encourage me. we have 6 children of ours and my niece
>homeschooling for three years, mostly me assigning and reviewing. I have
>stumbled on unschooling recently and am enthralled.All the conversations on
also lives >with me for this year. My concern right now is the teenagers, dd
16 and >homeschooling and ds 14 and in public school by his choice. He wants
to >homescool next year. How do I give them the freedom they need and
encourage >them to learn as they want when I have to meet course
requirements for >graduation in the state I live in? I don't worry about
other peoples opinions per >se, but I greatly fear "government problems"
Been through some and they leave >me shaken. If anyone has unschooled a
teenager after many years of ps I >would love to hear their views. Also
anyone who has unschooled through all >their education who can share their
experience. My niece is so indoctrinated >with the ps mentality, she asks me
for permission to do things most people do >independently. Thanks
>Johanna
Johanna
Julie,
I really am beginning to like the idea
of journaling. Cindy is currently interested in being an EMT and I guess my
concern is her ability to get into a good college. Thanks for the book
recommend. both of those books are on my list of wants this year. Because I
don't have a Bachelor Degree, we have to be listed under an umbrella
school according to the laws in Tennessee. She has two more years after this
before graduation by public school standards.
Johanna
Russ Anderson
Another young girl in our hm'school group is planning to be a doctor. She is
17 and is taking an EMT course at the Vocational School..(in addition to
college courses over the Internet and a few at our local college, and then
off to medical school next fall)..so that could be something your dd would
like to do too?
Julie in MO
into a good college. >Thanks for the book recommend. both of those books are
on my list of wants >this year. Because I don't have a Bachelor Degree, we
have to be listed under >an umbrella school according to the laws in
Tennessee. She has two more >years after this before graduation by public
school standards.
17 and is taking an EMT course at the Vocational School..(in addition to
college courses over the Internet and a few at our local college, and then
off to medical school next fall)..so that could be something your dd would
like to do too?
Julie in MO
>Julie,interested in >being an EMT and I guess my concern is her ability to get
>I really am beginning to like the idea of journaling. Cindy is currently
into a good college. >Thanks for the book recommend. both of those books are
on my list of wants >this year. Because I don't have a Bachelor Degree, we
have to be listed under >an umbrella school according to the laws in
Tennessee. She has two more >years after this before graduation by public
school standards.
>Johanna
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. How do I give them the freedom they need and encourage them to learn as
they want when I have to meet course requirements for graduation in the
state I live in? I don't worry about other peoples opinions per se, but I
greatly fear "government problems" Been through some and they leave me
shaken. If anyone has unschooled a teenager after many years of ps I would
love to hear their views. >>
First, what state are you in that you have to meet the public school's
course requirement?
Lisa
they want when I have to meet course requirements for graduation in the
state I live in? I don't worry about other peoples opinions per se, but I
greatly fear "government problems" Been through some and they leave me
shaken. If anyone has unschooled a teenager after many years of ps I would
love to hear their views. >>
First, what state are you in that you have to meet the public school's
course requirement?
Lisa
Johanna
Lisa,
We live in Tennessee and I don't have a bachelors
degree so we have to list under an umbrella school. In order for her to receive
a diploma, we have courses that are required, but I am not sure if the school
requires them or the state. Dd and I have discussed the possiblity of just
taking the GED test and taking one of the college entrance tests. She doesn't
test well and is frightened by that idea.
Johanna
----- Original Message -----From: unschooling.comSent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:24 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagers. How do I give them the freedom they need and encourage them to learn as
they want when I have to meet course requirements for graduation in the
state I live in? I don't worry about other peoples opinions per se, but I
greatly fear "government problems" Been through some and they leave me
shaken. If anyone has unschooled a teenager after many years of ps I would
love to hear their views. >>
First, what state are you in that you have to meet the public school's
course requirement?
Lisa
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I don't think the GED is anything to get too
nervous about - my daughter did very well on it and tests usually freak her out,
too. The test is divided up into parts and you can retake any parts that
are failed. That took the pressure off for
us. Deb
K.
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagers...Dd and I have discussed the possiblity of just taking the GED test and taking one of the college entrance tests. She doesn't test well and is frightened by that idea.Johanna----- Original Message -----From: unschooling.comSent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:24 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagers. How do I give them the freedom they need and encourage them to learn as
they want when I have to meet course requirements for graduation in the
state I live in? I don't worry about other peoples opinions per se, but I
greatly fear "government problems" Been through some and they leave me
shaken. If anyone has unschooled a teenager after many years of ps I would
love to hear their views. >>
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There are lots of good books and CD programs to
help prepare for the GED. Most of them are real user friendly and really
do help the kids prepare for the test (use real stuff, real sample
pages).
Lynda
----- Original Message -----From: Deb K.Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:24 AMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagersI don't think the GED is anything to get too nervous about - my daughter did very well on it and tests usually freak her out, too. The test is divided up into parts and you can retake any parts that are failed. That took the pressure off for us. Deb K.Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagers...Dd and I have discussed the possiblity of just taking the GED test and taking one of the college entrance tests. She doesn't test well and is frightened by that idea.Johanna----- Original Message -----From: unschooling.comSent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:24 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagers. How do I give them the freedom they need and encourage them to learn as
they want when I have to meet course requirements for graduation in the
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love to hear their views. >>
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I think she fears the ACT more than the GED. The
program she wants to take requires them. I will look into the materials for the
GED though. Thanks
Johanna
----- Original Message -----From: LyndaSent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 12:18 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagersThere are lots of good books and CD programs to help prepare for the GED. Most of them are real user friendly and really do help the kids prepare for the test (use real stuff, real sample pages).Lynda----- Original Message -----From: Deb K.Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:24 AMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagersI don't think the GED is anything to get too nervous about - my daughter did very well on it and tests usually freak her out, too. The test is divided up into parts and you can retake any parts that are failed. That took the pressure off for us. Deb K.Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagers...Dd and I have discussed the possiblity of just taking the GED test and taking one of the college entrance tests. She doesn't test well and is frightened by that idea.Johanna----- Original Message -----From: unschooling.comSent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:24 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagers. How do I give them the freedom they need and encourage them to learn as
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love to hear their views. >>
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Johanna,
Maybe it might help some of the fears if you let
her know that on the SATs homeschoolers are averaging 180 points more than ps
kids and on the ACT the average for homeschoolers is 22.8 and for ps kids it is
21.
Just a thought.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----From: JohannaSent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:49 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagersI think she fears the ACT more than the GED. The program she wants to take requires them. I will look into the materials for the GED though. ThanksJohanna----- Original Message -----From: LyndaSent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 12:18 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagersThere are lots of good books and CD programs to help prepare for the GED. Most of them are real user friendly and really do help the kids prepare for the test (use real stuff, real sample pages).Lynda----- Original Message -----From: Deb K.Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:24 AMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagersI don't think the GED is anything to get too nervous about - my daughter did very well on it and tests usually freak her out, too. The test is divided up into parts and you can retake any parts that are failed. That took the pressure off for us. Deb K.Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagers...Dd and I have discussed the possiblity of just taking the GED test and taking one of the college entrance tests. She doesn't test well and is frightened by that idea.Johanna----- Original Message -----From: unschooling.comSent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:24 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling teenagers. How do I give them the freedom they need and encourage them to learn as
they want when I have to meet course requirements for graduation in the
state I live in? I don't worry about other peoples opinions per se, but I
greatly fear "government problems" Been through some and they leave me
shaken. If anyone has unschooled a teenager after many years of ps I would
love to hear their views. >>
First, what state are you in that you have to meet the public school's
course requirement?
Lisa
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