Karen Paulson

Hi Julie, I just read your post and completely agree with you.  I have an adopted son who was almost aborted, but the b-mom decided she could not go through with it, thankfully.  Life is a gift.  I do not agree with abortion, and late term abortion (partial birth) is just beyond comprehension, to me.  Yes, there are terrible things in the world; terrible circumstances, terrible illnesses, tragedies, wars, and devastations.  Abortion, to me, is just as wrong, though.  I know many people will not agree with me, and that is ok.  I do not wish to be involved in a flaming debate, only to say that I am thankful for my child that was allowed to be born.  How could I feel otherwise??  There is no shortage of loving people to adopt children from other parts of the world... It is often the foreign political red tape preventing / delaying the adoptions.  Yes, solutions do need to be found to help children in bad situations.  However, to me, abortion only serves to send the message that life is not to be regarded as precious and as a gift, but rather as something that is not highly regarded and can be destroyed without consequence.  Abortion, to me, is demeaning to the value placed on life itself, and in my opinion, cannot be considered a solution to problems found in the world.  ~Karen
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I agree on many points Amy has brought up (adoption from other countries and
tons of abuse in our country), but I don't believe abortion is the answer to
over-population or the solution to not wanting a baby ....(this is going to
sound crude and there are exceptions to everything) but I have a huge problem
with women using abortion as a means of birth control.  If they aren't ready
to be a parent, use birth control or keep their legs shut!  These tiny baby's
did NOTHING to deserve been flushed out of there safe home.  They did not
asked to be conceived.  There are a lot of parents who want infants to adopt,
but few women are willing to make the sacrifices needed for the nine months
the baby needs to survive in our world.  (This is my personal opinion) I feel
these women are selfish and are willing to take more chances of getting
pregnant because they have an the option of taking the easy road with
abortion.

I am simply stating my opinion, and do not wish to make others anger, just
offering food for thought....

Julie
BTW, this is one of my pet peeves, in case you had not noticed! : )
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Joseph May

Karen,
That was well said. It brought tears to my eyes.
----- Original Message -----
 

Hi Julie, I just read your post and completely agree with you.  I have an adopted son who was almost aborted, but the b-mom decided she could not go through with it, thankfully.  Life is a gift.  I do not agree with abortion, and late term abortion (partial birth) is just beyond comprehension, to me.  Yes, there are terrible things in the world; terrible circumstances, terrible illnesses, tragedies, wars, and devastations.  Abortion, to me, is just as wrong, though.  I know many people will not agree with me, and that is ok.  I do not wish to be involved in a flaming debate, only to say that I am thankful for my child that was allowed to be born.  How could I feel otherwise??  There is no shortage of loving people to adopt children from other parts of the world... It is often the foreign political red tape preventing / delaying the adoptions.  Yes, solutions do need to be found to help children in bad situations.  However, to me, abortion only serves to send the message that life is not to be regarded as precious and as a gift, but rather as something that is not highly regarded and can be destroyed without consequence.  Abortion, to me, is demeaning to the value placed on life itself, and in my opinion, cannot be considered a solution to problems found in the world.  ~Karen
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies

I agree on many points Amy has brought up (adoption from other countries and
tons of abuse in our country), but I don't believe abortion is the answer to
over-population or the solution to not wanting a baby ....(this is going to
sound crude and there are exceptions to everything) but I have a huge problem
with women using abortion as a means of birth control.  If they aren't ready
to be a parent, use birth control or keep their legs shut!  These tiny baby's
did NOTHING to deserve been flushed out of there safe home.  They did not
asked to be conceived.  There are a lot of parents who want infants to adopt,
but few women are willing to make the sacrifices needed for the nine months
the baby needs to survive in our world.  (This is my personal opinion) I feel
these women are selfish and are willing to take more chances of getting
pregnant because they have an the option of taking the easy road with
abortion.

I am simply stating my opinion, and do not wish to make others anger, just
offering food for thought....

Julie
BTW, this is one of my pet peeves, in case you had not noticed! : )
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M & J Welch

My opinion, for what it's worth:
 
It has not yet been conclusively proven/agreed upon when the moment that divine spark enters an unborn child's being.  I'm not certain this can ever be proven, since it involves the private spiritual beliefs of the person making the decision. Because it involves the *beliefs* of the person making the decision, this is a morality issue, not a legal one.  No matter my personal beliefs about the issue of abortion, I absolutely do not support the legislation of morality-for any reason, in any case. For me, the abortion issue fits right in there with the separation of church and state, and should remain so.  I feel that women should have a choice to do what they will based upon their spiritual beliefs.  Likewise, I feel that father's should have every right to bar an abortion based upon their spiritual beliefs. (Family court can duke it out-may the highest priced lawyer win.) And also, I do not believe there should be state or federal funding for abortions because it is a moral issue--with the exception of a poor health status of the unborn baby and/or mother.  In that case, it becomes a health issue-which is not always related to morality.
 
I think, I feel, I believe, Imho, of course.
 
Respectfully
 
Lee
 

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"M & J Welch" <seamus@...> wrote:

> It has not yet been conclusively proven/agreed upon when the moment that
> divine spark enters an unborn child's being. I'm not certain this can ever

Indeed. Many of us don't believe in a divine spark...

> lawyer win.) And also, I do not believe there should be state or federal
> funding for abortions because it is a moral issue--with the exception of a

Some people object to war as a moral issue. They're allowed to get out of
military service, I think (conscientious objectors) but their tax dollars
still fund our war machine.

-xx- Damien X-)

M & J Welch

This is a good point, too:

Some people object to war as a moral issue. They're allowed to get out of
military service, I think (conscientious objectors) but their tax dollars
still fund our war machine.

As I said to David, the requirements of a society to ensure safety and
property take precedence over most kinds of private morality; hence the U.S.
government's continued use of coscientious objectors tax dollars to support
the offices of defense is seen to support the good of the many. A little
bit off topic, but, one could see this as a buy off. A U.S. citizen has the
right to avoid military service because he/she pays his taxes. That's how I
personally perceive my choice to homeschool. I'll gladly pay the education
tax, even though I don't use the monies for my own kids' education. In a
sense I feel it legitimizes my right to homeschool.

Now, where I made the leap from one to the other is up for debate. I can't
quite figure out my logic! :-) Give me some time-I think I can work it out!
Maybe! ;-P

Lee
(intuitively leaping)

Shelley A Stefanic

>
>There is no shortage of loving people to adopt children
>from other parts of the world... >

I have to say there is no shortage of loving families to adopt babies.
Where are all these loving families to adopt the other children? We have
plenty of children in this country in need of adoption, they just aren't
babies. I'm sure it's the same elseware. It sadly reminds me of puppies
at animal shelters. They get all the attention while the older dogs sit
around unnoticed.

Sonia Ulan

VERY well put, Julie and Karen!!!

Sonia

Lynda

There is no shortage of people to adopt perfect babies. If there were no
shortage of people to adopt babies then there wouldn't be so many babies in
foster care that end up transitioned into a permanent go round of foster
care to group homes to foster care to juvenile detention centers and the
merry-go-round continues.

Lynda

----------
> From: Shelley A Stefanic <sveetp@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie
> Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 10:01 PM
>
>
> >
> >There is no shortage of loving people to adopt children
> >from other parts of the world... >
>
> I have to say there is no shortage of loving families to adopt babies.
> Where are all these loving families to adopt the other children? We have
> plenty of children in this country in need of adoption, they just aren't
> babies. I'm sure it's the same elseware. It sadly reminds me of puppies
> at animal shelters. They get all the attention while the older dogs sit
> around unnoticed.
>
>
>
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Karen Paulson

The thing about adoption:  When it on average runs the adoptive parents $16,000, it weeds out the people being able to pay these enormous amounts!   Many people would adopt, but cannot due to these types of problems. But, loving people *are* out there.  About foster care:  foster care is when a child is removed from a bad situation, and put into the care of another family.   Most children that go into foster care do not necessarily end up in juvenile detention centers.  Children that go to juv. det. centers are there for discipline reasons.  That is not the same as foster care.    One does not equal the other.  Many children end up in juv. det. centers that never have been in foster care.  They do not necessarily go hand in hand.  Adoption does not necessarily go hand in hand with foster care, either.  Being an adoptive mother, I know what our birth mom went through.  It is such a shame that the law (in our state) prevented us from  financially paying her bills.  Here she was, making the decision to give life to her unborn child, and was basically getting  slapped on the wrist for it.   We couldn't legally buy her groceries, clothing, or anything else.  We could legally visit with her, and take her out to dinner.    Yes, it might have been easier,  and more convenient for her to have had an abortion.  But she took responsibility for her actions, and decided to find parents, and give her child a future.  To me, that is very admirable.   Lynda, I understand how tragic it must have been for you to have seen what that poor baby went through.  Instead of focusing on abortion as having been the answer,  perhaps the focus should be on preventing pregnancy in the first place.  Clearly, that woman had major problems.  The child was the victim, but not the problem.  Having aborted him would not have changed the woman.  She would likely still be relying on abortion as birth control, instead of being more responsible in preventing an unwanted pregnancy.  But she did have options.  It's legal-- so why did she not choose to abort?  She did not have to have this child.  She chose to.  She is the problem.  She is the one who needed to be dealt with.  Clearly, those in *power* made a horrible decision in returning this baby into  the monstrous environment  from which he came.  They , then, played a part in this tragedy, too.  For all we know, this woman may have had a history of mental illness.  Abortion, to me,  would not have been the answer, because it would not have changed the mental capacity of this woman.   The child deserved more... from the people who impacted his short life.  He was like a sprouted seedling, with a hunger for life.  He deserved the same chances that we all want for our own children.  After his own mother abused him, the legal system let him down, too.  Who knows where he might be today if the situation had been handled correctly?  ~Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynda
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie

There is no shortage of people to adopt perfect babies.  If there were no
shortage of people to adopt babies then there wouldn't be so many babies in
foster care that end up transitioned into a permanent go round of foster
care to group homes to foster care to juvenile detention centers and the
merry-go-round continues.

Lynda

----------
> From: Shelley A Stefanic <sveetp@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie
> Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 10:01 PM
>
>
> >
> >There is no shortage of loving people to adopt children
> >from other parts of the world... >
>
> I have to say there is no shortage of loving families to adopt babies.
> Where are all these loving families to adopt the other children?  We have
> plenty of children in this country in need of adoption, they just aren't
> babies.  I'm sure it's the same elseware.  It sadly reminds me of puppies
> at animal shelters.  They get all the attention while the older dogs sit
> around unnoticed.
>
>
>
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Lynda

Actually in her case she went to an abortion clinic and was convinced she
shouldn't have an abortion by the pro-life folks who were out fron
picketing. So maybe we should lay the responsibility at their door???

No one is going to make anyone more responsible, that is the point. You
can't legislate morality, you can't legislate responsibility. But taking
away options because a group decides it isn't moral and wants to force
their views on others isn't the answer either. Prohabition didn't work,
making abortions illegal didn't work before nor did it make some elements
in society anymore responsible.

And, the scary part of all this is that once the ball starts rolling, where
does it stop? Some of the shrub's 3R friends also believe that birth
control pills and IUD's are killing babies because they believe that a
fertilized egg is the "when."

Lynda

----------
From: Karen Paulson <learnforlife@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:07 PM

The thing about adoption: When it on average runs the adoptive parents
$16,000, it weeds out the people being able to pay these enormous amounts!
Many people would adopt, but cannot due to these types of problems. But,
loving people *are* out there. About foster care: foster care is when a
child is removed from a bad situation, and put into the care of another
family. Most children that go into foster care do not necessarily end up
in juvenile detention centers. Children that go to juv. det. centers are
there for discipline reasons. That is not the same as foster care. One
does not equal the other. Many children end up in juv. det. centers that
never have been in foster care. They do not necessarily go hand in hand.
Adoption does not necessarily go hand in hand with foster care, either.
Being an adoptive mother, I know what our birth mom went through. It is
such a shame that the law (in our state) prevented us from financially
paying her bills. Here she was, making the decision to give life to her
unborn child, and was basically getting slapped on the wrist for it. We
couldn't legally buy her groceries, clothing, or anything else. We could
legally visit with her, and take her out to dinner. Yes, it might have
been easier, and more convenient for her to have had an abortion. But she
took responsibility for her actions, and decided to find parents, and give
her child a future. To me, that is very admirable. Lynda, I understand
how tragic it must have been for you to have seen what that poor baby went
through. Instead of focusing on abortion as having been the answer,
perhaps the focus should be on preventing pregnancy in the first place.
Clearly, that woman had major problems. The child was the victim, but not
the problem. Having aborted him would not have changed the woman. She
would likely still be relying on abortion as birth control, instead of
being more responsible in preventing an unwanted pregnancy. But she did
have options. It's legal-- so why did she not choose to abort? She did
not have to have this child. She chose to. She is the problem. She is
the one who needed to be dealt with. Clearly, those in *power* made a
horrible decision in returning this baby into the monstrous environment
from which he came. They , then, played a part in this tragedy, too. For
all we know, this woman may have had a history of mental illness.
Abortion, to me, would not have been the answer, because it would not have
changed the mental capacity of this woman. The child deserved more...
from the people who impacted his short life. He was like a sprouted
seedling, with a hunger for life. He deserved the same chances that we all
want for our own children. After his own mother abused him, the legal
system let him down, too. Who knows where he might be today if the
situation had been handled correctly? ~Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynda
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie


There is no shortage of people to adopt perfect babies. If there were no
shortage of people to adopt babies then there wouldn't be so many babies
in
foster care that end up transitioned into a permanent go round of foster
care to group homes to foster care to juvenile detention centers and the
merry-go-round continues.

Lynda

----------
> From: Shelley A Stefanic <sveetp@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie
> Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 10:01 PM
>
>
> >
> >There is no shortage of loving people to adopt children
> >from other parts of the world... >
>
> I have to say there is no shortage of loving families to adopt babies.
> Where are all these loving families to adopt the other children? We
have
> plenty of children in this country in need of adoption, they just
aren't
> babies. I'm sure it's the same elseware. It sadly reminds me of
puppies
> at animal shelters. They get all the attention while the older dogs
sit
> around unnoticed.
>
>
>
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Karen Paulson

I agree that there are scary points... but, to me, I question where will it stop-- aborting during the first trimester, mid  trimester, and now in late pregnancy where a child is partially delivered before death.  Unbelievable.      Well, I feel I have taken my stand on this issue.  I do not  intend to try to change anyone's opinion, and I know mine will not change.  I do not want to be involved in a     long, drawn out debate , because it will not likely change anything .  We will still believe as we believe.  So, having said that, thanks for the discussion.  Any others are more than welcome to keep the discussion rolling, but, for me, I am ready to move on.   Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynda
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie

Actually in her case she went to an abortion clinic and was convinced she
shouldn't have an abortion by the pro-life folks who were out fron
picketing.  So maybe we should lay the responsibility at their door???

No one is going to make anyone more responsible, that is the point.  You
can't legislate morality, you can't legislate responsibility.  But taking
away options because a group decides it isn't moral and wants to force
their views on others isn't the answer either.  Prohabition didn't work,
making abortions illegal didn't work before nor did it make some elements
in society anymore responsible.

And, the scary part of all this is that once the ball starts rolling, where
does it stop?  Some of the shrub's 3R friends also believe that birth
control pills and IUD's are killing babies because they believe that a
fertilized egg is the "when."

Lynda

----------
From: Karen Paulson <learnforlife@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:07 PM

The thing about adoption:  When it on average runs the adoptive parents
$16,000, it weeds out the people being able to pay these enormous amounts!
Many people would adopt, but cannot due to these types of problems. But,
loving people *are* out there.  About foster care:  foster care is when a
child is removed from a bad situation, and put into the care of another
family.   Most children that go into foster care do not necessarily end up
in juvenile detention centers.  Children that go to juv. det. centers are
there for discipline reasons.  That is not the same as foster care.    One
does not equal the other.  Many children end up in juv. det. centers that
never have been in foster care.  They do not necessarily go hand in hand.
Adoption does not necessarily go hand in hand with foster care, either.
Being an adoptive mother, I know what our birth mom went through.  It is
such a shame that the law (in our state) prevented us from  financially
paying her bills.  Here she was, making the decision to give life to her
unborn child, and was basically getting  slapped on the wrist for it.   We
couldn't legally buy her groceries, clothing, or anything else.  We could
legally visit with her, and take her out to dinner.    Yes, it might have
been easier,  and more convenient for her to have had an abortion.  But she
took responsibility for her actions, and decided to find parents, and give
her child a future.  To me, that is very admirable.   Lynda, I understand
how tragic it must have been for you to have seen what that poor baby went
through.  Instead of focusing on abortion as having been the answer,
perhaps the focus should be on preventing pregnancy in the first place.
Clearly, that woman had major problems.  The child was the victim, but not
the problem.  Having aborted him would not have changed the woman.  She
would likely still be relying on abortion as birth control, instead of
being more responsible in preventing an unwanted pregnancy.  But she did
have options.  It's legal-- so why did she not choose to abort?  She did
not have to have this child.  She chose to.  She is the problem.  She is
the one who needed to be dealt with.  Clearly, those in *power* made a
horrible decision in returning this baby into  the monstrous environment
from which he came.  They , then, played a part in this tragedy, too.  For
all we know, this woman may have had a history of mental illness.
Abortion, to me,  would not have been the answer, because it would not have
changed the mental capacity of this woman.   The child deserved more...
from the people who impacted his short life.  He was like a sprouted
seedling, with a hunger for life.  He deserved the same chances that we all
want for our own children.  After his own mother abused him, the legal
system let him down, too.  Who knows where he might be today if the
situation had been handled correctly?  ~Karen
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Lynda
  To: [email protected]
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie


  There is no shortage of people to adopt perfect babies.  If there were no
  shortage of people to adopt babies then there wouldn't be so many babies
in
  foster care that end up transitioned into a permanent go round of foster
  care to group homes to foster care to juvenile detention centers and the
  merry-go-round continues.

  Lynda

  ----------
  > From: Shelley A Stefanic <sveetp@...>
  > To: [email protected]
  > Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie
  > Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 10:01 PM
  >
  >
  > >
  > >There is no shortage of loving people to adopt children
  > >from other parts of the world... >
  >
  > I have to say there is no shortage of loving families to adopt babies.
  > Where are all these loving families to adopt the other children?  We
have
  > plenty of children in this country in need of adoption, they just
aren't
  > babies.  I'm sure it's the same elseware.  It sadly reminds me of
puppies
  > at animal shelters.  They get all the attention while the older dogs
sit
  > around unnoticed.
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  >
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Shannon Brophy

Lynda wrote:
And, the scary part of all this is that once the ball starts rolling, where
does it stop? Some of the shrub's 3R friends also believe that birth
control pills and IUD's are killing babies because they believe that a
fertilized egg is the "when."

I want to respond by saying that recent research says that an IUD makes the
uterus so hostile to sperm that they can't survive, so it is unlikely that
conception happens. Birth control pills work in making the woman taking them
annovulatory, so no conception happens because there is no ovulation.

In my opinion, we don't need to go down the flame filled road of debating
abortion on this group. Let's get back to talking about unschooling, even
though everything is potentially something to learn from.
Shannon

aworthen

----- Original Message -----
From: Shannon Brophy <shannon@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie


> Birth control pills work in making the woman taking them
> annovulatory, so no conception happens because there is no ovulation.

I have been deleting all of the 'our bodies' posts not wanting to get into
an argument, but now I have a question. I am on Depo shots which claim to
put your ovaries into a resting state, which is why most women don't get
their periods, myself included (fine with me). My question is if the pill
does the same, how come one still gets their period while taking it. I
understand that you don't take it (or only take sugar pills) for days 21-28
and that's what induces your period, but what is your body flushing out if
not the egg? Is it simply the built up lining of the uterus? How come it
doesn't happen on depo?
Amy ( who is very confused-not hard to do)

Lynda

Research can show all it wants but that doesn't change what some people
believe. I stated "they believe." Falwell stated on national television
that the greehouse effect and the hole in the ozone layer were "just a
myth." That's what he believes even though studies have shown them to be a
fact.

Also, if you don't want to go down "that road" then leave it alone, the
thread had basically died already.

Lynda

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> From: Shannon Brophy <shannon@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] our bodies-Julie
> Date: Monday, August 21, 2000 7:37 PM
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> Lynda wrote:
> And, the scary part of all this is that once the ball starts rolling,
where
> does it stop? Some of the shrub's 3R friends also believe that birth
> control pills and IUD's are killing babies because they believe that a
> fertilized egg is the "when."
>
> I want to respond by saying that recent research says that an IUD makes
the
> uterus so hostile to sperm that they can't survive, so it is unlikely
that
> conception happens. Birth control pills work in making the woman taking
them
> annovulatory, so no conception happens because there is no ovulation.
>
> In my opinion, we don't need to go down the flame filled road of debating
> abortion on this group. Let's get back to talking about unschooling, even
> though everything is potentially something to learn from.
> Shannon
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Billy or Nancy

Global warming has not been shown to be a fact. The media loves a good scare
story and there are always scientist ready to extrapolate from limited data.

Most of the models used for calculating the effects of green house gases do
not take into account cloud cover as it makes the calculations too complex.
If you've ever been outside on a cloudy day, you've experienced how the
clouds can affect the amount of the sun's heat that reaches the earth. As
CO2 levels rise, studies by the US Dept of Agriculture show that crop yields
increase 30 to 40% and the plants become twice as efficient in using water.
Increased biomass from plant growth removes CO2 from the air and locks it up
in the plants.

From 1940 to 1975 the general cooling of the earth caused reporters to
trumpet the impending coming of the next ice age. A warming trend occurred
between 1975 and 1980 (well within the range of natural fluctuations) and
there has been little change since then, but the current fashion now is to
warn of global warming.

_The Greening of Planet Earth_ produced by the Institute for Biospheric
Research and _The Next 500 years: Life in the Coming Millennium_ by Adrian
Berry provide some interesting details about the lack of consensus in the
scientific community about global warming.

Billy

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> -----Original Message-----
>
> Research can show all it wants but that doesn't change what
> some people
> believe. I stated "they believe." Falwell stated on
> national television
> that the greehouse effect and the hole in the ozone layer were "just a
> myth." That's what he believes even though studies have
> shown them to be a
> fact.
>

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/22/2000 4:51:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
aworthen@... writes:

> My question is if the pill
> does the same, how come one still gets their period while taking it. I
> understand that you don't take it (or only take sugar pills) for days 21-28
> and that's what induces your period, but what is your body flushing out if
> not the egg? Is it simply the built up lining of the uterus? How come it
> doesn't happen on depo?


Yes, simply discharging the lining of the uterus. I don't know anything
about depo, however.

Eiraul