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In a message dated 11/16/05 7:00:50 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:


> -=-Cameron is a vegetarian again. It's NOT that much fun to make two things
> every night.-=-
>
I wouldn't make two things every night (but then I don't always make ONE
thing <g>)--
I would make vegetarian meals sometimes and let anyone who's feeling meat
deprived make a meat snack later, and I would make meat meals sometimes and let
Cameron make something later, similarly, if the side dishes didn't do him.

With casserole and lasagna, I do meat for 2/3 and then a smaller meatless one
for Holly. She'll eat meat sometimes, but usually prefers not to, and she
especially doesn't like beef (neither do I, generally; neither does Kirby,
come to be cataloging it...).

Another family we know had a kid go extreme vegan, and they've about gone
broke getting her what she wants, and had it been me I would've given her a food
budget, taken her shopping, and told her she needed to figure out how to feed
herself. Instead, she usually gets prepared food (like fancy deli-counter
food) at the health food co-op or Wild Oats. Or get her to at least plan some
foods that others will eat, and help with the research and prep work. I said
"kid" but she's not little-- she's 16 and this has gone on for four years.

Sandra

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Deb Lewis

***I like to cook, but I'm not wild about cooking TWICE! <G> Any
suggestions?***

If you don't want to try to cook this stuff just by the prepared tofus.

Nasoya makes prepared, marinated tofu in four flavors. These are really
good. You could keep some on hand and Cameron could heat and eat them
with rice or noodles and vegetables, or as they are for a quick protein
fix. This way you don't have to buy extra ingredients to try to make
plain tofu taste like something other than muck. <g>

Other companies that make prepared, marinated tofu: Soyco, Blue Lotus,
Nutrisoy and Kingland Soy. These are all very easy, can be eaten cold
or heated and chunked and added to vegetables or whatever.

There are a variety of seasoning packets for plain tofu and "shake and
bake" style things.

There are prepared deli slices of vegan "turkey" and other lunch meats.
On nights when you are really not into fixing a vegetarian alternative
maybe he could make himself a sandwich. The Tofurky people now make
sliced tofurky for turkey sandwiches. David says it's not bad but he'd
take genuine dead bird over tofurky any day. Nine out of ten turkeys
disagree.

There are vegan hot dogs if he'd like that. I was never a hot dog fan
but Dylan likes these when we go camping. <g>
Fast for Cam to fix on his own or for you when you're not inspired by any
of the recipes I'll be sending you off list. <g>

While not super high in protein hummus and Baba Ganoush will last a few
days in the fridge for quick sandwiches or dips. Falafel is fast and
filling in a pita.

Deb L

elainegh8

Vegan definitely doesn't have to be expensive. Our entire family was
vegan for 7 years and we had (still do have) a very low income.
Seems like budgets haven't been discussed I guess. I agree a
discussion on cost would've been a good idea. All things that cost a
lot have to be discussed here as a whole family as we don't have a
lot of spare cash.

BWs Elaine


> Another family we know had a kid go extreme vegan, and they've
about gone
> broke getting her what she wants, and had it been me I would've
given her a food
> budget, taken her shopping, and told her she needed to figure out
how to feed
> herself. Instead, she usually gets prepared food (like fancy
deli-counter
> food) at the health food co-op or Wild Oats. Or get her to at
least plan some
> foods that others will eat, and help with the research and prep
work. I said
> "kid" but she's not little-- she's 16 and this has gone on for
four years.
>
> Sandra
>

The Coffee Goddess

--- elainegh8 <elainegh8@...> wrote:

> Vegan definitely doesn't have to be expensive. Our
> entire family was
> vegan for 7 years and we had (still do have) a very
> low income.

I agree--We spend TONS of money on food right now, but
when we were vegans we spent hardly anything. Bags of
lentils, beans, split peas, rice, soy beans--they made
up most of our diet, and they are all under $1 a
pound, especially when bought in bulk. You can buy a
culture and make your own tempeh, you can buy bulk
wheat gluten and make your own seitan--but mostly we
made stews and one-pot bean/rice/veggie-type meals.
We ate vegan for a family of 4 for $200 or less a
month.

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Deb Lewis

***...a kid go extreme vegan, and they've about gone
broke getting her what she wants***

The prepared vegan foods can be expensive but we haven't found them more
expensive than prepared normal people foods. <g> As Sandra said it is
possible to buy some of what you really want and eat it half the time.

We eat rice and beans a lot. A lot. And when were in a money crunch,
which has been all the time lately <g> we eat rice and beans even more.
I grow a little garden in the summer. I do a little canning. It all
works out.

It doesn't have to be expensive. When I was a teenage vegan living in
Portland (Sounds like a bad movie title, "I was a Teenage Vegan") I
would buy a head of cabbage, a bag of rice, a bag of dry white beans, a
bottle of soy sauce and a bottle of sesame oil. I subsisted on fried
cabbage and rice and beans. I could live on that for a month or more.
(I accepted every dinner invitation I received though, too.<g>)

Deb L
"No ones life should be rooted in fear. We are born for wonder, for joy,
for hope, for love, to marvel at the mystery of existence, to be ravished
by the beauty of the world, to seek the truth and meaning, to acquire
wisdom and by our treatment of others to brighten the corner where we
are.” ~ Dean Koontz from "Life Expectancy"

Ren Allen

Hey Kelly,

I'll email you offlist. I'm the lone veg-head here....sort of. Most of
them eat whatever I cook, they LIKE my vegetarian meals. And I keep
frozen chicken for those that need a meat hit once in a while. Gross.

I have lots of recipes that even hard-core meat eaters love. And you
really don't need tons of protein, your body is just pissing it down
the toilet. It does use up some extra calcium for your body to process
though.:) There's plenty of protein if you eat a varied and healthy
mix of food, I bet I can find some recipes you'll all like.

Something else you can do is cook a food like tacos and just make two
different fillings. It takes about the same amount of time to do a
meat filling and a veg filling.
I always make lasagne veg..but if you really wanted meat, you just
layer up a separate dish for Cam. It's all the same ingredients, you
just aren't adding the cooked burger until later.
Same with casseroles. Mix up everything but the meat, scoop a small
dish out for him and then add the meat for everyone else.

Ren

Pamela Sorooshian

On Nov 16, 2005, at 6:31 AM, SandraDodd@... wrote:

> I would make vegetarian meals sometimes and let anyone who's
> feeling meat
> deprived make a meat snack later, and I would make meat meals
> sometimes and let
> Cameron make something later, similarly, if the side dishes didn't
> do him.

If your main dish is meat, then have nuts available to add to a side
dish. If you have steamed zucchini as a side dish, just add a bunch
of cashews, for example. With some bread or rice, that makes a nice
meal for a vegetarian.

If your main dish is vegetarian, have some chopped up cooked chicken,
bacon, ham, etc., just on the side to add to the main dish for those
who really like meat.

I almost ALWAYS have at least one vegetarian in the house, between my
three kids. I don't make separate meals - just make the meals a
little more flexible.

-pam



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Deb

--- In [email protected], Pamela Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@e...> wrote:
>
>
> If your main dish is meat, then have nuts available to add to a
>side
> dish. If you have steamed zucchini as a side dish, just add a
>bunch
> of cashews, for example. With some bread or rice, that makes a
>nice
> meal for a vegetarian.
>
> If your main dish is vegetarian, have some chopped up cooked
>chicken,
> bacon, ham, etc., just on the side to add to the main dish for
>those
> who really like meat.
>
> I almost ALWAYS have at least one vegetarian in the house, between
>my
> three kids. I don't make separate meals - just make the meals a
> little more flexible.
>
> -pam
Last night we had baked potatoes and baked buttercup squash. One of
the available potato toppings was cheddar cheese. After eating a
bunch of squash and a potato, DS asked for a chunk of cheese and
wandered off happy as a well-fed mouse. Since we typically have mix
and match meals anyhow, and since any move in the veg direction is
from dietary (fat, sodium, additives, etc) concerns rather than
ethical concerns, it's no biggie to have meat sitting as a side dish
on the table. I would think that it might be an issue for someone
who is totally grossed out by the whole concept of meat and prefers
not to be near it/see it/smell it. That could make it harder on some
families with mix of veg/non veg members.

--Deb

Ellen Oberlin

Hi,

My husband and I have repeatedly tried vegetarian and vegan many times and
often for several months at a time over the last 15 years. I have a
question maybe someone here can help me with.
Philospohically for many reasons we would like to be veggies but we don't
seem to be able to sustain it. We go several weeks or months sometimes and
then we feel all out of balance and sort of too ungrounded and light and it
is uncomfortable. I feel like it must be some kind of imbalance but I can't
figure out what kind. I read the "Eat Right for Your Type" and I am A which
is basically "supposed" to be vegetarian and he is O which is "supposed" to
be a meat-eater. But nevertheless, even though I make a good balanced diet
of grains, beans, and veggies we still can't sustain it. Any ideas?



>
>I have lots of recipes that even hard-core meat eaters love. And you

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In a message dated 11/16/05 5:56:52 PM, ellenoberlin@... writes:


> -=-Philospohically for many reasons we would like to be veggies but we
> don't
> seem to be able to sustain it.  We go several weeks or months sometimes and
> then we feel all out of balance and sort of too ungrounded and light and it
> is uncomfortable. -=-
>
Our culture has told us for decades that humans have no instincts left.
It's a lie. If something looks and smells like food to you, you should probably
eat it. If something does NOT seem like food to you, don't eat it no matter
what a book says or what you think sounds like a cool philosophy.

Within an unschooling context, I think it's worth suggesting that you listen
to you own body first and what books say and what other people tell you
second.

Anthropologically speaking, people eat meat. They don't eat meat every day
(anthropologically speaking), but our bodies can digest it. And fire, though
it did scare away some tigers, fire some pots and smelt some bronze and smelt
some bronze (woohoo!) they didn't move on to tofu, or use it to cook roots.

-=- But nevertheless, even though I make a good balanced diet
of grains, beans, and veggies we still can't sustain it.  Any ideas?-=-

I think moving through a state of actual unhealthiness hoping for a state of
theoretical health is less mentally healthy than living in the moment, and if
you can learn to feel what your body needs by not eating by the clock, but
eating by what seems to be what you need, you might get a better real clue. No
book knows what your body's telling you, and people have been told and
trained to ignore their bodies.

My kids don't ignore theirs. Gradually I came to be able to feel some
message myself. Sometimes I really truly want root vegetables. Sometimes I
don't want anything. Sometimes I really want juice and fruit. Sometime I want
nuts, and not anything else. Sometimes I go by smell, and if pizza smells
great I'll eat some. <g>

I know all the arguments for vegetarianism, and while I know lots of heathy
vegetarians, I know some who do it because they think they should, because
they're afraid to go back on something they talked up so vehemently, and some that
are just unhealthy and blame it on all kinds of things other than their
diets, because they have DEFINED their diet as "healthy" (or allowed someone else
to define it for them) and no evidence to the contrary will change their
course. If they're having other problems, they'll blame something in the
environment, or the planets, or the insulation of the house, or
2nd-hand-aerosol-ozone-lack. They don't listen to their bodies, they read expensive scary
magazines.

Sandra




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elainegh8

Are you getting adequate B12? Here is some very good info on Vegan
nutrition. B12 deficiency can affect veggies too.

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/food/nutrition/

I would recommend reading the more detailed bits that are on the
page they are clickable.

BWs Elaine

> Hi,
>
> My husband and I have repeatedly tried vegetarian and vegan many
times and
> often for several months at a time over the last 15 years. I have
a
> question maybe someone here can help me with.
> Philospohically for many reasons we would like to be veggies but
we don't
> seem to be able to sustain it. We go several weeks or months
sometimes and
> then we feel all out of balance and sort of too ungrounded and
light and it
> is uncomfortable. I feel like it must be some kind of imbalance
but I can't
> figure out what kind. I read the "Eat Right for Your Type" and I
am A which
> is basically "supposed" to be vegetarian and he is O which
is "supposed" to
> be a meat-eater. But nevertheless, even though I make a good
balanced diet
> of grains, beans, and veggies we still can't sustain it. Any
ideas?
>
>
>
> >
> >I have lots of recipes that even hard-core meat eaters love. And
you
>

Rebecca DeLong

Hi all, I'm still trying to catch up on all my email (500ish to go...) I was wondering if anyone could pass some veggie recipes my way. (off list)

My hubby and oldest son are huge meat eaters but me middle son and baby do better with out the meat, but most meals are geared for hubby and Jaiden, the both get ill with out meat.

I have no prob. making more than one meal, I just don't have a good selection of recipes that will work for the veggies in our home.

Thanx :)

~Rebecca



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