Kids' writing
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In a message dated 8/14/05 10:46:16 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:
was wishing I lived at 13 Ash Street, Akron, Ohio because the forms were
built for that guy.
Marty got his full driver's license last week. He's 16. His handwriting
is a quick kind of printing where he makes each letter without any regard to
the one before or after it. He's more likely to go clockwise than
counter-clockwise when "good" writers (school-trained practitioners of Palmer cursive, I
mean--good American writers who were unlucky enough to be stuck with the
old-time cursive) would go counter for loops and bowls.
Marty writes VERY small. So does Kirby. I think they got it from writing
as small as the printed words they were seeing in books and on gaming cards.
So at motor vehicles, you write your signature on paper and they put all the
stuff in the machine and it comes out a little smaller in the finished
version. Marty's is already nearly too small to read, so the "signature" looks like
little boxy marks. Luckily, he'll be able to reproduce that signature in
any situation requiring him to do so, and others wouldn't be able to begin to
do it, and that's the purpose of signatures anyway.
Sandra
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> there are some blanks on forms that are just too darnAll the years I lived at 8116 Princess Jeanne NE in Albuquerque, New Mexico I
> small to fill out. I was filling out one this week that was like that.
>
was wishing I lived at 13 Ash Street, Akron, Ohio because the forms were
built for that guy.
Marty got his full driver's license last week. He's 16. His handwriting
is a quick kind of printing where he makes each letter without any regard to
the one before or after it. He's more likely to go clockwise than
counter-clockwise when "good" writers (school-trained practitioners of Palmer cursive, I
mean--good American writers who were unlucky enough to be stuck with the
old-time cursive) would go counter for loops and bowls.
Marty writes VERY small. So does Kirby. I think they got it from writing
as small as the printed words they were seeing in books and on gaming cards.
So at motor vehicles, you write your signature on paper and they put all the
stuff in the machine and it comes out a little smaller in the finished
version. Marty's is already nearly too small to read, so the "signature" looks like
little boxy marks. Luckily, he'll be able to reproduce that signature in
any situation requiring him to do so, and others wouldn't be able to begin to
do it, and that's the purpose of signatures anyway.
Sandra
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Kiersten Pasciak
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
All the years I lived at 8116 Princess Jeanne NE in Albuquerque, New
Mexico I was wishing I lived at 13 Ash Street, Akron, Ohio because the
forms were built for that guy.
Sandra,
Is this a random place pull or do you have some tie to Akron, OH?
I ask because I grew up there and still live within 30 miles :)
Oh yeah, we lived on Oak Ridge, not Ash (hee hee)
Kiersten
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> Is this a random place pull or do you have some tieRandom-yet-ideal short town, short state name.
> to Akron, OH?
>
>
Now SEE??? "Oh yeah, we lived on Oak Ridge, not Ash
(hee hee)"
Oak Ridge.
We have Central Ave, but even that gets lengthened to "old Rt. 66" and we did
have Grand Ave, but it got lengthened to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard. Didn't even keep "Avenue."
And other street names (without digging for extra long ones)...
We're near the intersection of Juan Tabo and Candelaria.
Our old house (on Princess Jeanne) was nearest Wyoming and Constitution.
Paseo del Norte (pretty short as such names go) is the way Keith and Kirby
both go to work.
Oh well... I can write small. <g>
Sandra
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In a message dated 8/14/2005 2:49:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Ohio, still live close to it), and didn't remember where Ash St.
was-Mapquest-ed it, only to find there isn't any such place! You got me! :~) Thanks for
keeping me on my toes!
Sang
-History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man.
BOC-
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> <<<<All the years I lived at 8116 Princess Jeanne NE in Albuquerque, NewThat's funny... Here I was thinking you knew the area (used to live in Akron,
> Mexico I
> was wishing I lived at 13 Ash Street, Akron, Ohio because the forms were
> built for that guy.>>>>
>
Ohio, still live close to it), and didn't remember where Ash St.
was-Mapquest-ed it, only to find there isn't any such place! You got me! :~) Thanks for
keeping me on my toes!
Sang
-History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man.
BOC-
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/14/2005 5:59:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
abbreviated to: MLK Jr. Blvd-is yours? We also have a street nearby that is
long: Cleveland-Massillon Road, which at least at some parts, has 5 and 6 digit
house numbers. Most freeway signs can't even hold the whole length and it has
to be shortened... I never thought about streets being hard to put on forms
until this thread, but have always wondered about the name sections-especially
those ones with the little boxes for each letter that are such SMALL boxes, and
very few of them. I've been lucky enough to have short enough last names all
my life to fit, but have always wondered how people with long or hyphenated
names cope with that. Do they just fill in what fits and end up with an
abbreviated name on their important documents and mail? Are there special forms or
exemptions for those situations? Some day I'll find out those answers...
Sang
-History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man.
BOC-
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> We have Central Ave, but even that gets lengthened to "old Rt. 66" and weWe also have a "Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard" (no Dr.), but it is often
> did
> have Grand Ave, but it got lengthened to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
> Boulevard. Didn't even keep "Avenue."
>
abbreviated to: MLK Jr. Blvd-is yours? We also have a street nearby that is
long: Cleveland-Massillon Road, which at least at some parts, has 5 and 6 digit
house numbers. Most freeway signs can't even hold the whole length and it has
to be shortened... I never thought about streets being hard to put on forms
until this thread, but have always wondered about the name sections-especially
those ones with the little boxes for each letter that are such SMALL boxes, and
very few of them. I've been lucky enough to have short enough last names all
my life to fit, but have always wondered how people with long or hyphenated
names cope with that. Do they just fill in what fits and end up with an
abbreviated name on their important documents and mail? Are there special forms or
exemptions for those situations? Some day I'll find out those answers...
Sang
-History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man.
BOC-
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Pam Sorooshian
My name is Pamela Sorooshian-Tafti. Usually they seem to run it
together as: Sorooshiantafti.
The whole last name was my husband's - it would have been Sorooshian-
Tafti-Kerwin if I'd added my own last name to it. <g>
Taft is the name of the town in Iran where my husband came from.
Taft-"i" just means "from Taft." So really it is his name and address
all in one! But it was translated to English, from his passport and
entry papers, as if it was his full name, so he was stuck with it.
Then we got married and you just don't want to be fooling around with
name differences when immigration (INS) is already suspicious of all
Iranian marriages - that they might be fake in order to get permanent
residency status.
I totally IGNORE little boxes or too-short lines/spaces to write in,
on forms. I write right over the boxes and I use other spaces and
cross out what it asks for - lots of forms have a second extra space
for address, I just write in that, too.
-pam
together as: Sorooshiantafti.
The whole last name was my husband's - it would have been Sorooshian-
Tafti-Kerwin if I'd added my own last name to it. <g>
Taft is the name of the town in Iran where my husband came from.
Taft-"i" just means "from Taft." So really it is his name and address
all in one! But it was translated to English, from his passport and
entry papers, as if it was his full name, so he was stuck with it.
Then we got married and you just don't want to be fooling around with
name differences when immigration (INS) is already suspicious of all
Iranian marriages - that they might be fake in order to get permanent
residency status.
I totally IGNORE little boxes or too-short lines/spaces to write in,
on forms. I write right over the boxes and I use other spaces and
cross out what it asks for - lots of forms have a second extra space
for address, I just write in that, too.
-pam
On Aug 15, 2005, at 12:53 AM, Sanguinegirl83@... wrote:
> I never thought about streets being hard to put on forms
> until this thread, but have always wondered about the name sections-
> especially
> those ones with the little boxes for each letter that are such
> SMALL boxes, and
> very few of them.
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In a message dated 8/15/05 9:14:39 AM, christa.mente@... writes:
I took a typing class in summer school the year I turned 15. Paid money for
that class. It involved all those things no one needs to know now. How to
clean a typewriter with a toothpick (or needle), a brush, a cloth and some
alcohol; how to justify margins (involves typing the whole thing once with ////
until the carriage return stops you, and then re-typing it using the
halfspace--oh yeah, they had halfspaces) and so forth. At the end of the summer I
could type 42 words per minute and we had done a portrait of JFK by typing what
the teacher called out (space space space space dollar sign dollar sign dollar
sign...) for about 120 lines.
So I learned to type in school. Kind of.
And I got fast by typing newsletters and letters and song lyrics and handouts
when I was teaching and made my own materials instead of using the textbook,
and word-search puzzles for kids at school and later for my own kids (until I
found a Macintosh program that would just make them) and gradually learned to
use computers by taking part-time word-processing jobs, and never stopped
"learning to type" once I started.
Only thing is, my kids could "keyboard" (sounds like it should need elbow and
kneepads and be one at the skate park) before they knew what it was, and are
quick and at home with computers.
Maybe early facility with a computer takes unschooling. <g>
A friend of Holly's is going to a charter school this year. Mornings are
group projects (like the family school, we were told, which might mean something
to locals here) and afternoons are computers. Computer *what* I don't
know, and I partly suspect computer coursework, but there it is. Something for
people to learn at school when others tell them it's time.
Sandra
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> I cannot tell you how many classroom hours I spent doodling lettersI think it's true.
> and practicing my name while a teacher droned on about something which
> had no interest to me. I sure *looked* busy taking notes, though <g>.
>
> So maybe the answer to getting neat handwriting is...school!<BWG>
>
I took a typing class in summer school the year I turned 15. Paid money for
that class. It involved all those things no one needs to know now. How to
clean a typewriter with a toothpick (or needle), a brush, a cloth and some
alcohol; how to justify margins (involves typing the whole thing once with ////
until the carriage return stops you, and then re-typing it using the
halfspace--oh yeah, they had halfspaces) and so forth. At the end of the summer I
could type 42 words per minute and we had done a portrait of JFK by typing what
the teacher called out (space space space space dollar sign dollar sign dollar
sign...) for about 120 lines.
So I learned to type in school. Kind of.
And I got fast by typing newsletters and letters and song lyrics and handouts
when I was teaching and made my own materials instead of using the textbook,
and word-search puzzles for kids at school and later for my own kids (until I
found a Macintosh program that would just make them) and gradually learned to
use computers by taking part-time word-processing jobs, and never stopped
"learning to type" once I started.
Only thing is, my kids could "keyboard" (sounds like it should need elbow and
kneepads and be one at the skate park) before they knew what it was, and are
quick and at home with computers.
Maybe early facility with a computer takes unschooling. <g>
A friend of Holly's is going to a charter school this year. Mornings are
group projects (like the family school, we were told, which might mean something
to locals here) and afternoons are computers. Computer *what* I don't
know, and I partly suspect computer coursework, but there it is. Something for
people to learn at school when others tell them it's time.
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/15/2005 12:03:54 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Maybe early facility with a computer takes unschooling. <g>
~~~
Except my kids, who happen to be older than yours, had computers in school
before we had one at home. I used them at work, and taught people how to
"word process" <g>, and when we got the home computer, all of us knew how to use
it.
(1991 when we got our first PC--but my husband had a Commodore when he was
in high school that is still sitting in my fil's living room--and I got an
electric typewriter for my birthday when I was 12).
The bottom line is exposure and access.
Karen
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SandraDodd@... writes:
Maybe early facility with a computer takes unschooling. <g>
~~~
Except my kids, who happen to be older than yours, had computers in school
before we had one at home. I used them at work, and taught people how to
"word process" <g>, and when we got the home computer, all of us knew how to use
it.
(1991 when we got our first PC--but my husband had a Commodore when he was
in high school that is still sitting in my fil's living room--and I got an
electric typewriter for my birthday when I was 12).
The bottom line is exposure and access.
Karen
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Julie Bogart
--- In [email protected], tuckervill2@a... wrote:
I got my first secretary job in 1984 as a temp. I tested at 35 words a
minute on a typewriter. :) When I switched to a computer (Kay-Pro 64)
in the dark ages, I got my speed and accuracy up to over 65 words per
minute in less than a month by typing every day eight hours a day and
not having that danged carriage return to hit all the time. Plus, that
letter "a" key gave me fits with my small hands on a typewriter. On a
keyboard, I flew!
Once they added taperecorders with headsets for the letters dictated
to us (rather than reading handwritten notes on a stand next to the
computer) my speed increased again.
Today, who knows how fast I type? It is irrelevant. But it is also
very fast.
My husband worried that my daughter might not have learned to type
correctly using a program (you know for accuracy and using all the
fingers). He was about to mention it to her one day when he actually
listened to her typing. He turned to me and burst out laughing. "She's
fast with those four fingers!" We've never looked back. All five kids
keyboard and never took a course.
One funny.
A Kay_Pro 64 was so named because it had this astounding amount of
memory for its day - 64 K. :)
Julie
>Or when you leave college. :)
> In a message dated 8/15/2005 12:03:54 PM Central Standard Time,
> SandraDodd@a... writes:
>
> Maybe early facility with a computer takes unschooling. <g>
I got my first secretary job in 1984 as a temp. I tested at 35 words a
minute on a typewriter. :) When I switched to a computer (Kay-Pro 64)
in the dark ages, I got my speed and accuracy up to over 65 words per
minute in less than a month by typing every day eight hours a day and
not having that danged carriage return to hit all the time. Plus, that
letter "a" key gave me fits with my small hands on a typewriter. On a
keyboard, I flew!
Once they added taperecorders with headsets for the letters dictated
to us (rather than reading handwritten notes on a stand next to the
computer) my speed increased again.
Today, who knows how fast I type? It is irrelevant. But it is also
very fast.
My husband worried that my daughter might not have learned to type
correctly using a program (you know for accuracy and using all the
fingers). He was about to mention it to her one day when he actually
listened to her typing. He turned to me and burst out laughing. "She's
fast with those four fingers!" We've never looked back. All five kids
keyboard and never took a course.
One funny.
A Kay_Pro 64 was so named because it had this astounding amount of
memory for its day - 64 K. :)
Julie
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/15/05 12:21:25 PM, tuckervill2@... writes:
My kids have exposure to and access to handwriting. They don't have a need
to use it.
Some kids have exposure and access to computers but not freedom and
encouragement.
Sandra
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> The bottom line is exposure and access.I don't think that's all.
>
My kids have exposure to and access to handwriting. They don't have a need
to use it.
Some kids have exposure and access to computers but not freedom and
encouragement.
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/15/05 12:58:04 PM, julie@... writes:
It had a steel case, and the keyboard was the lid. When it was open, I
think the screen/bigger box leaned on the edge of the screen (or on the handle or
something and the keyboard was in front. Then you could fold it shut and
latch it (with big steel latches) and carry it around.
I had a daisy wheel printer with three different wheels. If you wanted to
change fonts in a document you could put a printer pause mark, I think, and it
would wait for you to change wheels, then resume, then pause, so you could
change wheels again (Like, for example, to put in italics.) For boldface, it
went back and typed twice (like a typewriter, I think).
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> A Kay_Pro 64 was so named because it had this astounding amount ofI had a Kaypro II. Maybe mine had 128 K or something. It was portable.
> memory for its day - 64 K. :)
>
It had a steel case, and the keyboard was the lid. When it was open, I
think the screen/bigger box leaned on the edge of the screen (or on the handle or
something and the keyboard was in front. Then you could fold it shut and
latch it (with big steel latches) and carry it around.
I had a daisy wheel printer with three different wheels. If you wanted to
change fonts in a document you could put a printer pause mark, I think, and it
would wait for you to change wheels, then resume, then pause, so you could
change wheels again (Like, for example, to put in italics.) For boldface, it
went back and typed twice (like a typewriter, I think).
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/15/2005 5:25:48 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
My kids have exposure to and access to handwriting. They don't have a need
to use it.
Some kids have exposure and access to computers but not freedom and
encouragement.
~~~
Well, we weren't talking about desire. We were talking about opportunity.
:)
Karen
www.badchair.net
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> The bottom line is exposure and access.I don't think that's all.
>
My kids have exposure to and access to handwriting. They don't have a need
to use it.
Some kids have exposure and access to computers but not freedom and
encouragement.
~~~
Well, we weren't talking about desire. We were talking about opportunity.
:)
Karen
www.badchair.net
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/15/2005 11:32:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
little boxes! :~)
Sang
-History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man.
BOC-
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
> So really it is his name and addressWow! Fascinating information! Thanks for sharing-and cluing me in on those
> all in one!
little boxes! :~)
Sang
-History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man.
BOC-
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