my3sonsinva

I was wondering how some of you handle participating with conservative
hs groups? All of the teen activities for homeschoolers in the area
are southern baptist or even more conservative/to the right. My
teen's favorite show is the Daily Show, I don't know how he will "fit
in". I've started several hs activities myself but they seem to draw
only young children.

Here's an *snip* of what's offered. I find it VERY offensive and
disturbing but I am a Christian (liberal) and they would accept us. I
did talk to the owner and told her Jesus would never exclude anyone
from his "group":

"Our common interest is homeschooling so regardless of your method,
m> style or length of time homeschooling you are welcome. However,
m> families need to be Church attendees. (Religions will vary, but, NO
m> Pagan, Atheist, Scientology or Psychic Churches)"

Blessings,
Barb in VA

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In a message dated 8/14/05 12:19:31 PM, my3sonsinva@... writes:


> I was wondering how some of you handle participating with conservative
> hs groups?
>

They don't.
I just wouldn't do it.


-=-  I
did talk to the owner and told her Jesus would never exclude anyone
from his "group"-=-

You don't get to tell Southern Baptists what Jesus would do. They have
Bible quotes to justify everything they do, including excluding people.

-=-"Our common interest is homeschooling so regardless of your method,
m> style or length of time homeschooling you are welcome. However,
m> families need to be Church attendees. (Religions will vary, but, NO
m> Pagan, Atheist, Scientology or Psychic Churches)"

Blessings,-=-

Why would you WANT to join a group like that?

Sandra


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my3sonsinva

"Why would you WANT to join a group like that?

Sandra"

Because it's hard being a minority amoung minorities. Even with my
secular groups, they are all control freaks with their kids (food, tv,
video games, hold school work over their heads like a punishment) and
have no understanding whatsoever of unschooling. Even with all of the
complements I get with my teen, people keep asking me if I'm "keeping
him home again this year" My oldest son on his own is very bright and
doing high level math on his own (self-taught 100%). He has surpased
me and I don't know how to help him if he does ask for help with his
math. I am on a very limited budget and now everyone is telling me
not to put him in community college early because it will ruin his
chances for college scholarships which we really need.

I don't want to join a group like that but I feel like I *must* be the
one with a problem since they get a lot of support in this area.
There are conservative christian groups that say they are open to all
but you do have to listen to their religous/political speeches/prayers.

Barb in VA

Robyn Coburn

<<<< I was wondering how some of you handle participating with conservative
hs groups? >>>>

I don't, but 1/ they wouldn't want me, and 2/ I live in a big city with lots
of groups, so I am not stuck with few choices as you seem to be.

Conservative groups are unlikely to be supportive of Unschooling in general
either.

<<<<< All of the teen activities for homeschoolers in the area
are southern baptist or even more conservative/to the right. My
teen's favorite show is the Daily Show, I don't know how he will "fit
in". I've started several hs activities myself but they seem to draw
only young children. >>>>>>

I would suggest helping your teen find the activities he is interested in
that are populated by people, rather than only "homeschooled teens".

What are his interests?

Robyn L. Coburn


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my3sonsinva

He is a very atheletic, techknowlegagble and a competitive chess
player. He is very mature for his age (and tall) so everyone thinks
he's much older than he is. I think I just need to hear from someone,
anyone, that I'm doing the right thing not putting him in the hs teen
night, etc. in the area. He does do activities with ps kids.

Blessings,
Barb in VA

> I would suggest helping your teen find the activities he is
interested in
> that are populated by people, rather than only "homeschooled teens".
>
> What are his interests?
>
> Robyn L. Coburn

Robyn Coburn

<<<<<< He is a very atheletic, techknowlegagble and a competitive chess
player. He is very mature for his age (and tall) so everyone thinks
he's much older than he is. I think I just need to hear from someone,
anyone, that I'm doing the right thing not putting him in the hs teen
night, etc. in the area. He does do activities with ps kids.>>>>>>

The idea that I was getting at was that peers does not have to mean "age
peers".

When I wrote "people" I was trying to get at the notion that there are
interest based societies or groups or places that are open to a range of
ages including adults.

Now I am more convinced that hanging out with a bunch of controlled and
restricted teens - the surest way to extend adolescent attitudes - will not
be very helpful to him or you.

Does he *want* to go to teen night? I'm concerned about the phrase "putting
him in" the teen night.

I'm a little confused about why Community College courses would be a problem
for getting scholarships. It sounds illogical. What does Wes Beach have to
say on this?

Anyway, that is future focused thinking. If your son is interested in some
Comm. College courses now, he should be able to take them. He may not want
to go to a degree program if the CC fulfils his needs.

Robyn L. Coburn








Blessings,
Barb in VA

> I would suggest helping your teen find the activities he is
interested in
> that are populated by people, rather than only "homeschooled teens".
>
> What are his interests?
>
> Robyn L. Coburn






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In a message dated 8/14/05 1:20:17 PM, my3sonsinva@... writes:


> Because it's hard being a minority amoung minorities.
>

Exactly. So why go to a group in which you know you'll be considered wrong
at best and dangerous Satanic elements at worst?

-=- I am on a very limited budget and now everyone is telling me
not to put him in community college early because it will ruin his
chances for college scholarships which we really need.  
-=-

You're going to go to college?
Or by "we" did you mean that your son can only afford to attend "real"
college with a scholarship, and community college will ruin his chances.... how
exactly?

Does that mean college is your target goal and "just learning" (or taking
classes because he thinks it would be fun or useful) is not on track?

-=-I don't want to join a group like that but I feel like I *must* be the
one with a problem since they get a lot of support in this area. -=-

You must be born again to get that support.

-=-There are conservative christian groups that say they are open to all
but you do have to listen to their religous/political speeches/prayers.-=-

Well sure. Their church is open to all too, all who will behave as they
behave and live as they live (or at least fake it), dress as they dress, speak as
they speak, control their kids as they control their kids.

Sandra


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In a message dated 8/14/05 1:20:27 PM, my3sonsinva@... writes:


> He is a very atheletic, techknowlegagble and a competitive chess
> player.  He is very mature for his age (and tall) so everyone thinks
> he's much older than he is.
>

So...
Can he join teams for sports he likes (city leagues or whatever) or go to
gyms?
Can he join computer user groups or volunteer with groups that help people
with computer problems?
Can he organize beginners' chess tournaments somewhere or teach younger kids?

None of that needs him to be or not be homeschooled, or be or not be older,
or be or not be with other homeschoolers.

-=-I think I just need to hear from someone,
anyone, that I'm doing the right thing not putting him in the hs teen
night, etc.-=-

I think it would be cruel to stick him with people who wish he wasn't there.
He's too old for you to be "putting him" in anything anymore, in my opinion.

Sandra


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Brandie

>>I would suggest helping your teen find
>>the activities he is interested in that
>>are populated by people, rather than only
>>"homeschooled teens".

I am finding that this works much better. We actually
live on the Tennessee/Virginia border, so I fully
understand about living around the baptist
Christian/conservative/left wing homeschoolers. Most
of the homeschool groups here have descriptions like
"you must be a church attendee" or you have to agree
to a "statement of faith".

I did start my own local unschooling group, and while
I think it is a fine group, it is a lot of families
with very young kids and many who don't unschool as
(radically) as we do. I don't really feel like we
"fit in" with much of our neighbors or even within the
group -- we are (GASP!) a non-religious, free
thinking, family who enjoys shows from everything like
Penn & Teller's Bullshit to the Family Guy, who watch
R rated movies, who eats fast food, and who fights for
gay rights. We are in the minority here, but I am
finally okay with that.

So, I am finding that, those that my oldest two (ages
15 and 13) are connecting better with are just other
people with similiar interests -- and they are not
necessarily homeschoolers or unschoolers. My 15 year
old has been meeting lots of people lately that she
thinks are cool and fun -- but they attend public
school.

So, while I know many of us love the idea of finding
other homeschool/unschool families, I think it is even
more important to help our kids (if they want help)
find those that they might share interests with --
regardless of how they are schooled (or not schooled).



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my3sonsinva

> Does he *want* to go to teen night? I'm concerned about the
phrase "putting
> him in" the teen night.

You're right. VERY poor choice of words on my part. I always give my
children a choice in everything they do. He doesn't ask to go, but
I'm new to the teenage years and really worry that I'm doing the right
thing.

> I'm a little confused about why Community College courses would be a
problem
> for getting scholarships. It sounds illogical. What does Wes Beach
have to
> say on this?

I'm sure it's because I'm rambling. He has said for several years now
that he wants to be a dentist. Right now he wants to take a computer
programming class. My husband and I wanted to offer community college
classes instead of conservative christian co-op classes. Apparently
if your child wants to go to a university (or has to for the degree he
wants) it's near impossible to get scholarships if you start in a
community college. Transfer students from community college to a
university don't qualify for scholarships, does that make sense? I'd
be more than pleased if he went to a community college for a degree.
I'd be happy if he changes his mind and gets a job anywhere doing
anything he wants as long as he's happy.

Barb in VA

Joyce Fetteroll

On Aug 14, 2005, at 8:25 PM, my3sonsinva wrote:

> Transfer students from community college to a
> university don't qualify for scholarships

But he doesn't need to be a full time student at a community college
to take classes. He can just take one.

Joyce

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In a message dated 8/14/2005 8:26:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
my3sonsinva@... writes:

Transfer students from community college to a
university don't qualify for scholarships, does that make sense?


Of course I went to college in the dark ages, which was really the early
1980's but I started at community college and transferred to a four year school
and got a full scholarship. I had excellent grades and had declared a major
and was a "proven" student that met their qualifications for scholarship.

I also know other kids that start at community college and I've not heard
any of them say they are now not eligible for scholarships at four year
schools.

I'd look into that further, it doesn't seem exactly right.


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In a message dated 8/14/05 6:25:57 PM, my3sonsinva@... writes:


> My husband and I wanted to offer community college
> classes instead of conservative christian co-op classes.  Apparently
> if your child wants to go to a university (or has to for the degree he
> wants) it's near impossible to get scholarships if you start in a
> community college.  Transfer students from community college to a
> university don't qualify for scholarships, does that make sense?
>

Don't trust "apparently," for one thing.

If when he applies, you say the community college classes were part of your
homeschooling, and he doesn't apply as a transfer student, and you have a cover
letter explaining that because of homeschooling informally he's a special
case, and if you're applying for the scholarship based on test scores or need, it
doesn't seem it would matter.

You can't apply based on high school grades or special achievement in sports,
right?

There CAN be exceptions, and your son isn't a typical high school student.
What applies to high school students can't apply to him straight across.

Sandra


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In a message dated 8/14/05 7:51:33 PM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:


> I also know other kids that start at community college and I've not heard 
> any of them say they are now not eligible for scholarships at four year 
> schools. 
>

There are tons of different kinds of scholarships, so no one thing will apply
to all of them.

There's a state lottery scholarship in New Mexico. Any state resident
graduating from high school (even homeschoolers) can get it for one semester, I
think, BUT: Kirby didn't qualify because he didn't go straight into full-time
college. That's fine with me. He took a few community college courses when
he was of an age to go to college and that disqualified him. I knew it
would. That's fine. It wouldn't make any sense for me to follow 13 years of
happy laid-back freedom with a sudden mandatory full-time freshman college
semester just to get some tuition money. And anyway, the classes he took at the
community college were free not counting the legal stick-up called "student book
store."

Sandra


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Betsy Hill

**I am on a very limited budget and now everyone is telling me
not to put him in community college early because it will ruin his
chances for college scholarships which we really need.**

Maybe this is a stupid question, but how could a homeschooled kid
without a GPA qualify for a scholarship anyway? (Unless you are talking
about eligibility for a sports scholarship. That can be strict, I think.)

Betsy

Pam Sorooshian

On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:51 AM, my3sonsinva wrote:

> I am on a very limited budget and now everyone is telling me
> not to put him in community college early because it will ruin his
> chances for college scholarships which we really need.

Be careful of taking advice from "everyone" <G>. There is so MUCH
misinformation passed around about community colleges!!

There are some college scholarships that are not available to
transfer students - that is true.
There are other college scholarships specifically FOR transfer students.

If he goes to community college, then the credits he earns there are
college credits that you don't have to pay for later - that's a GREAT
deal if the community college is inexpensive.

It is also often easier to get INTO more selective colleges when a
student is transferring from a community college than directly from
high school/homeschooling.

-pam

my3sonsinva

I just want to thank EVERYONE for the replies. I have tears of joy
running down my face. I just needed to hear that SOMEONE, anyone
would do what I'm doing. Between the fact that it's back to school
time and Kenny is supposed to start high school this school year I've
heard much more criticism than usual. BUT, they all say the nicest
most wonderful things about Kenny.

I'm overjoyed with the possibility that he will still be eligible for
scholarships. I'm going to call the community college today. My
husband and I have always wanted to help our kids pay for school or
get scholarships. : )

Blessings,
Barb in VA

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:


<<But still, it would be organized by parents.
And all the kids might have in common is that they're homeschooled.

At school, all the kids have in common is that they go to the same school.
Why duplicate that if there are other options?

Sandra>.>
**************************************************************************
In a class situation it probably would... I don't know if we would choose a
homeschool class it's just too traditional and proper.

That said we have not participated in any classes yet....



We never just invite homeschoolers especially when we go to the movies. On
the other hand we don't selectivly invite those *we know* don't like us and
think our son has too much freedom. We generally know who's *allowed* to go.
In the end they are a group of kids having fun and so far there is no ps/hs
signs over their heads that I can see other than the attempt to shock their
parents but lately not so shocking.
Laura


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April

I’m sure it’s different in each state. My daughter took community college
classes during ‘high school’. Now she is a full-time student at a local
college. She has tons of financial aid. The college works with her in
filling our the appropriate forms and what isn’t covered with financial aid,
she gets student loans. (unfortunately, our only option at this time). But
I would say ¾ of the cost is covered with financial aid grants.



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In a message dated 8/14/05 7:51:33 PM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:


> I also know other kids that start at community college and I've not heard
> any of them say they are now not eligible for scholarships at four year
> schools.
>

There are tons of different kinds of scholarships, so no one thing will
apply
to all of them.

There's a state lottery scholarship in New Mexico. Any state resident
graduating from high school (even homeschoolers) can get it for one
semester, I
think, BUT: Kirby didn't qualify because he didn't go straight into
full-time
college. That's fine with me. He took a few community college courses
when
he was of an age to go to college and that disqualified him. I knew it
would. That's fine. It wouldn't make any sense for me to follow 13 years
of
happy laid-back freedom with a sudden mandatory full-time freshman college
semester just to get some tuition money. And anyway, the classes he took
at the
community college were free not counting the legal stick-up called "student
book
store."

Sandra


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There are also a couple of liberal arts colleges that are tuition free with
room and board based on family income. One is Berea in Kentucky and the
other I know of is Berry in Georgia. I personally attended Berea and it was
an amazing experience. So there are always those options to consider.

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>From: "my3sonsinva" <my3sonsinva@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: Activities for teens
>Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:51:45 -0000
>
>I just want to thank EVERYONE for the replies. I have tears of joy
>running down my face. I just needed to hear that SOMEONE, anyone
>would do what I'm doing. Between the fact that it's back to school
>time and Kenny is supposed to start high school this school year I've
>heard much more criticism than usual. BUT, they all say the nicest
>most wonderful things about Kenny.
>
>I'm overjoyed with the possibility that he will still be eligible for
>scholarships. I'm going to call the community college today. My
>husband and I have always wanted to help our kids pay for school or
>get scholarships. : )
>
>Blessings,
>Barb in VA
>
>
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There are also a couple of liberal arts colleges that are tuition
free with
room and board based on family income. One is Berea in Kentucky and
the
other I know of is Berry in Georgia. I personally attended Berea and
it was
an amazing experience. So there are always those options to consider.

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>Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:18:56 -0400
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>You went to Berea College? When were you there?
>
>~Kelly
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>
>
> There are also a couple of liberal arts colleges that are tuition
>free with
>room and board based on family income. One is Berea in Kentucky and
>the
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