Book?
beanmommy2
I'm posting this publicly in case anyone else is interested in the
answer ... Sandra, I've wondered if you've ever considered writing a
book, or have in fact already written one?
I know I would love to read something that chronicles your families
journey through unschooling, filled with anecdotes, early experiences,
etc. I'm also one of those people who prefers a paperback to a
computer screen! :)
Anyway, just wondering if anything like that may ever be in the works.
Thanks for all you do!
Jenny
answer ... Sandra, I've wondered if you've ever considered writing a
book, or have in fact already written one?
I know I would love to read something that chronicles your families
journey through unschooling, filled with anecdotes, early experiences,
etc. I'm also one of those people who prefers a paperback to a
computer screen! :)
Anyway, just wondering if anything like that may ever be in the works.
Thanks for all you do!
Jenny
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/10/05 8:34:46 PM, beanmommy2@... writes:
Procrastinate for various reasons.
Thanks for the encouragement.
I like the essays better than the play by play, but every essay has at least
one story about what my kids are doing, and often two or three stories.
I have a plan, but I'm a perfectionist procrastinator. Sorry about that.
-=-Thanks for all you do!-=-
I'm glad something's been useful to you.
Sorry about that lack of book.
Sandra
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> Sandra, I've wondered if you've ever considered writing aYes, considered heavily.
> book, or have in fact already written one?
>
Procrastinate for various reasons.
Thanks for the encouragement.
I like the essays better than the play by play, but every essay has at least
one story about what my kids are doing, and often two or three stories.
I have a plan, but I'm a perfectionist procrastinator. Sorry about that.
-=-Thanks for all you do!-=-
I'm glad something's been useful to you.
Sorry about that lack of book.
Sandra
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Jordan
How about �The Collected Essays of Sandra Dodd�? Never mind the play by
play. Not that it wouldn�t be valuable or desirable, but something would be
better than nothing <G> !!
We could have countdown parties like the Harry Potter parties, and
anticipate the release of the book with great jubilation throughout the
unschooling community!
Tami, who wants an autographed copy!
one story about what my kids are doing, and often two or three stories.
I have a plan, but I'm a perfectionist procrastinator. Sorry about
that.<<<<
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play. Not that it wouldn�t be valuable or desirable, but something would be
better than nothing <G> !!
We could have countdown parties like the Harry Potter parties, and
anticipate the release of the book with great jubilation throughout the
unschooling community!
Tami, who wants an autographed copy!
>>>>I like the essays better than the play by play, but every essay has atleast
one story about what my kids are doing, and often two or three stories.
I have a plan, but I'm a perfectionist procrastinator. Sorry about
that.<<<<
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In a message dated 7/11/05 12:25:06 AM, atj090@... writes:
I think not having a name for a general unschooling book is part of what's
bogging me down, but for the previously published essays, I was thinking
Moving a Puddle and other Essays
or...
and other essays and rants (but I guess not <g>)
I had a publisher in mind and we corresponded a bit, but the editor didn't
like the idea of a collection of essays, and essays are what I write, so I
jumped on it as justification for a long procrastinate.
I really like "Moving a Puddle."
I moved another puddle just the other day. Keith was grumpy because I let
the water run too long and it collected in a useless place, so I bailed it into
better places, and when he came back to grump some more, it was gone.
I write essays and I move puddles.
Sandra
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> “The Collected Essays of Sandra Dodd”?======================
>
I think not having a name for a general unschooling book is part of what's
bogging me down, but for the previously published essays, I was thinking
Moving a Puddle and other Essays
or...
and other essays and rants (but I guess not <g>)
I had a publisher in mind and we corresponded a bit, but the editor didn't
like the idea of a collection of essays, and essays are what I write, so I
jumped on it as justification for a long procrastinate.
I really like "Moving a Puddle."
I moved another puddle just the other day. Keith was grumpy because I let
the water run too long and it collected in a useless place, so I bailed it into
better places, and when he came back to grump some more, it was gone.
I write essays and I move puddles.
Sandra
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liza sabater
On Jul 11 2005, at 03:37, SandraDodd@... wrote:
Also, there is something really beautiful here you have not realized
here, but you have the ears of thousands ... have you ever considered
self-publishing. Some of the most successful books out there were
self-published and when the demand grew over a certain threshold (let's
say, 100, 000) then came in the big publisher to feed off the frenzy. I
am sure there is more than one graphic designer here in the list and I
am an online pusblishing consultant. We can help you do this one by
yourself. Just as an experiment. And see what happens. Barnes and
Noble, actually, had a service like that --I'll check for you or just
go over to their site.
but it is ALL about unschooling. Meaning it's not a title for a target
audience. It's a title that speaks wisdom and opens up to more than
people who want to read a "how-to" unschool book.
TALK TO ME! I'm already excited about this.
Best,
Liza Sabater
Blog Publisher
www.culturekitchen.com
AIM - cultkitdiva
SKYPE - lizasabater
> I think not having a name for a general unschooling book is part ofGURL! We can help you with that. That's the least of your worries.
> what's
> bogging me down, but for the previously published essays, I was
> thinking
> Moving a Puddle and other EssaysMay I ask which publisher it was?
>
>
> or...
> and other essays and rants (but I guess not <g>)
>
>
> I had a publisher in mind and we corresponded a bit, but the editor
> didn't
> like the idea of a collection of essays, and essays are what I write,
> so I
> jumped on it as justification for a long procrastinate.
Also, there is something really beautiful here you have not realized
here, but you have the ears of thousands ... have you ever considered
self-publishing. Some of the most successful books out there were
self-published and when the demand grew over a certain threshold (let's
say, 100, 000) then came in the big publisher to feed off the frenzy. I
am sure there is more than one graphic designer here in the list and I
am an online pusblishing consultant. We can help you do this one by
yourself. Just as an experiment. And see what happens. Barnes and
Noble, actually, had a service like that --I'll check for you or just
go over to their site.
>And what I like about this title is that it is not about unschooling
> I really like "Moving a Puddle."
> I moved another puddle just the other day. Keith was grumpy because
> I let
> the water run too long and it collected in a useless place, so I
> bailed it into
> better places, and when he came back to grump some more, it was gone.
>
> I write essays and I move puddles.
>
> Sandra
but it is ALL about unschooling. Meaning it's not a title for a target
audience. It's a title that speaks wisdom and opens up to more than
people who want to read a "how-to" unschool book.
TALK TO ME! I'm already excited about this.
Best,
Liza Sabater
Blog Publisher
www.culturekitchen.com
AIM - cultkitdiva
SKYPE - lizasabater
[email protected]
"Puddle Moving Moments"
"How to Move a Puddle (before you move a mountain)"
Nancy B.
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"How to Move a Puddle (before you move a mountain)"
Nancy B.
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liza sabater
On Jul 11 2005, at 09:22, CelticFrau@... wrote:
Liza Sabater
Blog Publisher
www.culturekitchen.com
AIM - cultkitdiva
SKYPE - lizasabater
> "How to Move a Puddle (before you move a mountain)"THAT'S IT!
Liza Sabater
Blog Publisher
www.culturekitchen.com
AIM - cultkitdiva
SKYPE - lizasabater
Glenda S.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
but you have the ears of thousands ... have you ever considered
self-publishing
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I was thinking the same thing. I'm also one of those people who'd rather sit in bed or on the couch with a book rather than reading at the computer, so selfishly I've always wished all Sandra's essays were in book form. I *could* print them off as I come across them, but I'm lazy that way and would rather have someone else put them in book form for me <bwg>.
Conferences would be a great place to sell many copies. But I think word of mouth would go a long way as well.
"Moving a Puddle" -- great title!
Glenda
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but you have the ears of thousands ... have you ever considered
self-publishing
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I was thinking the same thing. I'm also one of those people who'd rather sit in bed or on the couch with a book rather than reading at the computer, so selfishly I've always wished all Sandra's essays were in book form. I *could* print them off as I come across them, but I'm lazy that way and would rather have someone else put them in book form for me <bwg>.
Conferences would be a great place to sell many copies. But I think word of mouth would go a long way as well.
"Moving a Puddle" -- great title!
Glenda
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Amanda
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> out there wereI don't know what would need to be done but my husband
> self-published and when the demand grew over a
> certain threshold (let's
> say, 100, 000) then came in the big publisher to
> feed off the frenzy. I
> am sure there is more than one graphic designer here
> in the list and I
> am an online pusblishing consultant. We can help you
> do this one by
> yourself.
is only a few classes away from his graphic design degree.
Love and Prayers,
Amanda
SAH / WAHM to~
Marti (5) and Lilly (19 months)
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deedeanne
In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
"I have a plan, but I'm a perfectionist procrastinator."
---Boy can I relate to that.---
"I think not having a name for a general unschooling book is part of
what's bogging me down, but....."<snip>
---But, maybe that's a perfect reason to procrastinate!---
"... for the previously published essays, I was thinking Moving a
Puddle and other Essays..."
---That sounds like a great title!---
"I had a publisher in mind and we corresponded a bit, but the editor
didn't like the idea of a collection of essays, and essays are what
I write, so I jumped on it as justification for a long
procrastinate."
---Phew, another perfect reason to procrastinate! It sounded like
you were getting a little too close to actually doing it Sandra! I
mean, having a title in mind, a publisher, and the intention to even
do it. (I hope you're not offended by my comments. I mean it in
good humor, and only because I have done similar things.)
"I really like "Moving a Puddle."
---So do I. So will soooo many others, if you will share it with
them. You have so much IMPORTANT information and insight to share,
and you have been generous with many of us in the unschooling
community. But I'm sure you must have considered how many more
people you could reach with a book. I know you want kids to have
better lives, to be treated with the dignity and respect they
deserve. Your book on the shelves of Barnes & Noble could make that
happen. Your words show some people the possibilities that they do
not even know exist, and how rewarding it can be to explore all
those possibilities rather than just following the mainstream. I
also wanted to remind you how "pushy" you've been accused of being
in your attempts to get people to see how they need to stop ruining
their kids' lives, and their relationships with their kids. You
emphasize that you want people to "get it" ASAP, before it's too
late for the kid. Well, can you use that same desire to help kids
you don't know, NOW, before it's too late for them? Will you share
yourself with a more general audience through a book to do it? Even
if your FIRST book was a collection of prior essays, and nothing
else new, it would be a goldmine to many of us already unschooling,
but it could be even more to someone who hasn't even considered it
yet.---
"I write essays and I move puddles."
Sandra
---You do so much more than that and I, for one, love reading all
about it. Some of it I read several times to let it really sink in,
or because there's so much to absorb I can't catch it all in one
reading, and sometimes it's just for fun! Anyway, a book would save
me some on computer paper, ink, and allow others in my family more
computer time.<g> We're still managing with one computer in a family
of 5, believe it or not. Well, when I come up with more reasons you
should do the book NOW, I'll post them (if I don't get kicked off
this list).---
Deanne
"I have a plan, but I'm a perfectionist procrastinator."
---Boy can I relate to that.---
"I think not having a name for a general unschooling book is part of
what's bogging me down, but....."<snip>
---But, maybe that's a perfect reason to procrastinate!---
"... for the previously published essays, I was thinking Moving a
Puddle and other Essays..."
---That sounds like a great title!---
"I had a publisher in mind and we corresponded a bit, but the editor
didn't like the idea of a collection of essays, and essays are what
I write, so I jumped on it as justification for a long
procrastinate."
---Phew, another perfect reason to procrastinate! It sounded like
you were getting a little too close to actually doing it Sandra! I
mean, having a title in mind, a publisher, and the intention to even
do it. (I hope you're not offended by my comments. I mean it in
good humor, and only because I have done similar things.)
"I really like "Moving a Puddle."
---So do I. So will soooo many others, if you will share it with
them. You have so much IMPORTANT information and insight to share,
and you have been generous with many of us in the unschooling
community. But I'm sure you must have considered how many more
people you could reach with a book. I know you want kids to have
better lives, to be treated with the dignity and respect they
deserve. Your book on the shelves of Barnes & Noble could make that
happen. Your words show some people the possibilities that they do
not even know exist, and how rewarding it can be to explore all
those possibilities rather than just following the mainstream. I
also wanted to remind you how "pushy" you've been accused of being
in your attempts to get people to see how they need to stop ruining
their kids' lives, and their relationships with their kids. You
emphasize that you want people to "get it" ASAP, before it's too
late for the kid. Well, can you use that same desire to help kids
you don't know, NOW, before it's too late for them? Will you share
yourself with a more general audience through a book to do it? Even
if your FIRST book was a collection of prior essays, and nothing
else new, it would be a goldmine to many of us already unschooling,
but it could be even more to someone who hasn't even considered it
yet.---
"I write essays and I move puddles."
Sandra
---You do so much more than that and I, for one, love reading all
about it. Some of it I read several times to let it really sink in,
or because there's so much to absorb I can't catch it all in one
reading, and sometimes it's just for fun! Anyway, a book would save
me some on computer paper, ink, and allow others in my family more
computer time.<g> We're still managing with one computer in a family
of 5, believe it or not. Well, when I come up with more reasons you
should do the book NOW, I'll post them (if I don't get kicked off
this list).---
Deanne
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/12/05 8:18:18 AM, deedeanne@... writes:
Hard as it is to publish something someone already has written, it's even
harder to put the brakes on one's life and change directions with all the
relatives squawking "What are you doing? You get right back here, missy, and do
what WE did, right now. Who do you think you are?"
There's no getting around the unschooling subplot of everything I write, and
so those who want reasons to procrastinate about changing their lives, or who
want further justification to go to their unhappy graves with lives unchanged
will see that and slam it shut. (If they even ever saw that.)
I used to want to stall until I had a teen, because I'd gotten criticism in
years past (not criticism, dismissal) for my oldest "only being... (9, 10,
11...) Then when the kids were teens they weren't doing anything earthforming,
so it seemed I should wait until I had one grown. But what if he grows up to
kill the president? A book by me would be bad for unschooling. When I
figured out they weren't even likely to kill the mayor, I was irritated with a
local reporter who assured me she was TOO sending a photographer to spend the
day with us, on one of the worst weeks for a year, as though I had no right to
say no (or as though she had the city's attention and it would be unwise for me
to refuse her). I had never before felt the nasty side of public exposure
as I did that week, and the disdain she seemed to have for me for being a mom
at home, as when she disregarded my list of where my kids actually WERE
going to be that week ( two different gaming shops, a public park), actually doing
cool things, and insisted it was to be at our house (to which I said no, it
absolutely is not).
So the article came out, I was quoted most but other moms were photographed
reading to kids and having them sitting in front of textbooks with pencils
touching notebooks. And the editor of the supplement quoted me too, and
paraphrased me, and generally acted like my ideas were her ideas <g>, and that was
fine.
And then I thought that if I wrote a book that flopped, that would be
embarrassing. I don't want to be on remainder tables or dumpsters. And if I wrote
a book that satisfied a publisher and was not a flop, I would be getting
calls from pusher people than a local newspaper supplement, and people would spy
on my kids and "test them."
And for a procrastinator and perfectionist, that was overwhelming reason.
But now there's all this self-publishing stuff, with computer/copier/binder
combos that can make a single book And that makes things different. And
there are more unschoolers than their used to be, and some want to have something
they can give a sister in law or neighbor, and ALL my kids are teens now, and
even the youngest of them would have something to say to someone who caughter
her in an unexpected light.
But there's a series of thought processes laid out for those who wonder what
the heck is my problem.
Sandra
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> you have been generous with many of us in the unschoolingUh... No, I really hadn't.
> community. But I'm sure you must have considered how many more
> people you could reach with a book.
>
Hard as it is to publish something someone already has written, it's even
harder to put the brakes on one's life and change directions with all the
relatives squawking "What are you doing? You get right back here, missy, and do
what WE did, right now. Who do you think you are?"
There's no getting around the unschooling subplot of everything I write, and
so those who want reasons to procrastinate about changing their lives, or who
want further justification to go to their unhappy graves with lives unchanged
will see that and slam it shut. (If they even ever saw that.)
I used to want to stall until I had a teen, because I'd gotten criticism in
years past (not criticism, dismissal) for my oldest "only being... (9, 10,
11...) Then when the kids were teens they weren't doing anything earthforming,
so it seemed I should wait until I had one grown. But what if he grows up to
kill the president? A book by me would be bad for unschooling. When I
figured out they weren't even likely to kill the mayor, I was irritated with a
local reporter who assured me she was TOO sending a photographer to spend the
day with us, on one of the worst weeks for a year, as though I had no right to
say no (or as though she had the city's attention and it would be unwise for me
to refuse her). I had never before felt the nasty side of public exposure
as I did that week, and the disdain she seemed to have for me for being a mom
at home, as when she disregarded my list of where my kids actually WERE
going to be that week ( two different gaming shops, a public park), actually doing
cool things, and insisted it was to be at our house (to which I said no, it
absolutely is not).
So the article came out, I was quoted most but other moms were photographed
reading to kids and having them sitting in front of textbooks with pencils
touching notebooks. And the editor of the supplement quoted me too, and
paraphrased me, and generally acted like my ideas were her ideas <g>, and that was
fine.
And then I thought that if I wrote a book that flopped, that would be
embarrassing. I don't want to be on remainder tables or dumpsters. And if I wrote
a book that satisfied a publisher and was not a flop, I would be getting
calls from pusher people than a local newspaper supplement, and people would spy
on my kids and "test them."
And for a procrastinator and perfectionist, that was overwhelming reason.
But now there's all this self-publishing stuff, with computer/copier/binder
combos that can make a single book And that makes things different. And
there are more unschoolers than their used to be, and some want to have something
they can give a sister in law or neighbor, and ALL my kids are teens now, and
even the youngest of them would have something to say to someone who caughter
her in an unexpected light.
But there's a series of thought processes laid out for those who wonder what
the heck is my problem.
Sandra
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[email protected]
Whiney what-iffin'.
Knock it off and write the damned book.
Said lovingly,
~Kelly, the only person who has bugged Sandra more than Kathryn <g>
-----Original Message-----
In a message dated 7/12/05 8:18:18 AM, deedeanne@... writes:
Hard as it is to publish something someone already has written, it's
even
harder to put the brakes on one's life and change directions with all
the
relatives squawking "What are you doing? You get right back here,
missy, and
do
what WE did, right now. Who do you think you are?"
There's no getting around the unschooling subplot of everything I
write, and
so those who want reasons to procrastinate about changing their lives,
or who
want further justification to go to their unhappy graves with lives
unchanged
will see that and slam it shut. (If they even ever saw that.)
I used to want to stall until I had a teen, because I'd gotten
criticism in
years past (not criticism, dismissal) for my oldest "only being... (9,
10,
11...) Then when the kids were teens they weren't doing anything
earthforming,
so it seemed I should wait until I had one grown. But what if he
grows up to
kill the president? A book by me would be bad for unschooling. When
I
figured out they weren't even likely to kill the mayor, I was irritated
with a
local reporter who assured me she was TOO sending a photographer to
spend the
day with us, on one of the worst weeks for a year, as though I had no
right to
say no (or as though she had the city's attention and it would be
unwise for me
to refuse her). I had never before felt the nasty side of public
exposure
as I did that week, and the disdain she seemed to have for me for being
a mom
at home, as when she disregarded my list of where my kids actually
WERE
going to be that week ( two different gaming shops, a public park),
actually
doing
cool things, and insisted it was to be at our house (to which I said
no, it
absolutely is not).
So the article came out, I was quoted most but other moms were
photographed
reading to kids and having them sitting in front of textbooks with
pencils
touching notebooks. And the editor of the supplement quoted me too,
and
paraphrased me, and generally acted like my ideas were her ideas <g>,
and that
was
fine.
And then I thought that if I wrote a book that flopped, that would be
embarrassing. I don't want to be on remainder tables or dumpsters.
And if I
wrote
a book that satisfied a publisher and was not a flop, I would be
getting
calls from pusher people than a local newspaper supplement, and people
would spy
on my kids and "test them."
And for a procrastinator and perfectionist, that was overwhelming
reason.
But now there's all this self-publishing stuff, with
computer/copier/binder
combos that can make a single book And that makes things different.
And
there are more unschoolers than their used to be, and some want to have
something
they can give a sister in law or neighbor, and ALL my kids are teens
now, and
even the youngest of them would have something to say to someone who
caughter
her in an unexpected light.
But there's a series of thought processes laid out for those who wonder
what
the heck is my problem.
Sandra
Knock it off and write the damned book.
Said lovingly,
~Kelly, the only person who has bugged Sandra more than Kathryn <g>
-----Original Message-----
In a message dated 7/12/05 8:18:18 AM, deedeanne@... writes:
> you have been generous with many of us in the unschoolingUh... No, I really hadn't.
> community. But I'm sure you must have considered how many more
> people you could reach with a book.
>
Hard as it is to publish something someone already has written, it's
even
harder to put the brakes on one's life and change directions with all
the
relatives squawking "What are you doing? You get right back here,
missy, and
do
what WE did, right now. Who do you think you are?"
There's no getting around the unschooling subplot of everything I
write, and
so those who want reasons to procrastinate about changing their lives,
or who
want further justification to go to their unhappy graves with lives
unchanged
will see that and slam it shut. (If they even ever saw that.)
I used to want to stall until I had a teen, because I'd gotten
criticism in
years past (not criticism, dismissal) for my oldest "only being... (9,
10,
11...) Then when the kids were teens they weren't doing anything
earthforming,
so it seemed I should wait until I had one grown. But what if he
grows up to
kill the president? A book by me would be bad for unschooling. When
I
figured out they weren't even likely to kill the mayor, I was irritated
with a
local reporter who assured me she was TOO sending a photographer to
spend the
day with us, on one of the worst weeks for a year, as though I had no
right to
say no (or as though she had the city's attention and it would be
unwise for me
to refuse her). I had never before felt the nasty side of public
exposure
as I did that week, and the disdain she seemed to have for me for being
a mom
at home, as when she disregarded my list of where my kids actually
WERE
going to be that week ( two different gaming shops, a public park),
actually
doing
cool things, and insisted it was to be at our house (to which I said
no, it
absolutely is not).
So the article came out, I was quoted most but other moms were
photographed
reading to kids and having them sitting in front of textbooks with
pencils
touching notebooks. And the editor of the supplement quoted me too,
and
paraphrased me, and generally acted like my ideas were her ideas <g>,
and that
was
fine.
And then I thought that if I wrote a book that flopped, that would be
embarrassing. I don't want to be on remainder tables or dumpsters.
And if I
wrote
a book that satisfied a publisher and was not a flop, I would be
getting
calls from pusher people than a local newspaper supplement, and people
would spy
on my kids and "test them."
And for a procrastinator and perfectionist, that was overwhelming
reason.
But now there's all this self-publishing stuff, with
computer/copier/binder
combos that can make a single book And that makes things different.
And
there are more unschoolers than their used to be, and some want to have
something
they can give a sister in law or neighbor, and ALL my kids are teens
now, and
even the youngest of them would have something to say to someone who
caughter
her in an unexpected light.
But there's a series of thought processes laid out for those who wonder
what
the heck is my problem.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/12/05 10:19:11 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:
take because of my kids' peace. It's possible I already do enough for
other families and their kids.
And Keith would say "Then do more for your own, and make some money off all
this that you're doing." <g>
Sandra
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> Whiney what-iffin'.Maybe, but honest sharing of my real feelings, and risks I was unwilling to
>
take because of my kids' peace. It's possible I already do enough for
other families and their kids.
And Keith would say "Then do more for your own, and make some money off all
this that you're doing." <g>
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@...
It's possible I already do enough for other families and their kids.
-=-=-=-=
Maybe. And some days I'm sure you feel that way.
But overall---from what I've seen over the years----you're still going
strong! <g>
-=-=-=-
And Keith would say "Then do more for your own, and make some money off
all this that you're doing." <g>
-=-=-
That Keith's one smart guy! <g>
~Kelly
From: SandraDodd@...
It's possible I already do enough for other families and their kids.
-=-=-=-=
Maybe. And some days I'm sure you feel that way.
But overall---from what I've seen over the years----you're still going
strong! <g>
-=-=-=-
And Keith would say "Then do more for your own, and make some money off
all this that you're doing." <g>
-=-=-
That Keith's one smart guy! <g>
~Kelly
Kristina Kahney
>>kbcdlovejo@... wroteWhiney what-iffin'.
Knock it off and write the damned book.
Said lovingly,<<<
LOL! I don't post alot, but have read every day for more than a year. Like one of my dear friends once told me, it's not about YOU, it's about the INFORMATION. The information that you- and many others- share is very important and should not be undervalued. Don't let fear get in the way of having this life changing information out there in paperback form. It is almost like it's your responsibility, now that you have all of this experience and information, to share it with others in ways that you can. (okay, that's a little guilt inducing there, hehe..)
Follow your heart!!
Kristina
www.kahneytribe.blogspot.com
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Kristina Kahney
>>SandraDodd@... wrote:And Keith would say "Then do more for your own, and make some money off all
this that you're doing." <g> >>
Yes! Think of the income and experience you could gain from a book and maybe doing some workshops around the country. You could bring your kids along and have a grand adventure! I'd organize a workshop in our area to bring you here, and I know people would happily pay to attend. Any interest in visiting HOuston, hehe :) (maybe next spring, after the L&L conference)
Kristina
www.kahneytribe.blogspot.com
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[email protected]
In a message dated 7/12/05 12:30:25 PM, kkahney@... writes:
a gift and it's a sin not to sacrifice ALL your time and energy to helping
others with it.
ice cream.
My mind says get up from the computer and knead bread and clean the den.
Mixed signals. I should go shopping.
Maybe I need Ritalin.
Sandra
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> It is almost like it's your responsibility, now that you have all of thisOH, yeah, now you've gone too far and done the BAPTIST guilt. God gave you
> experience and information, to share it with others in ways that you can.
> (okay, that's a little guilt inducing there, hehe..)
>
a gift and it's a sin not to sacrifice ALL your time and energy to helping
others with it.
>My heart says to make some hot fudge and sit watching Hitch again and eating
> Follow your heart!!
>
ice cream.
My mind says get up from the computer and knead bread and clean the den.
Mixed signals. I should go shopping.
Maybe I need Ritalin.
Sandra
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K Krejci
--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
watching a movie!!!
Kathy
PS: For book-writing entertainment, I highly
recommend NaNoWriMo (www.nanowrimo.org) :)
It's Good 2 B Dog Nutz!
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> My heart says to make some hot fudge and sitI would definitely go with that one.
> watching Hitch again and eating
> ice cream.
> My mind says get up from the computer and kneadQuiet, mind! I'm having a hot fudge sundae and
> bread and clean the den.
watching a movie!!!
> Maybe I need Ritalin.Or Ritalout?
Kathy
PS: For book-writing entertainment, I highly
recommend NaNoWriMo (www.nanowrimo.org) :)
It's Good 2 B Dog Nutz!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kristina Kahney <kkahney@...>
Yes! Think of the income and experience you could gain from a book and
maybe
doing some workshops around the country. You could bring your kids
along and
have a grand adventure! I'd organize a workshop in our area to bring
you here,
and I know people would happily pay to attend. Any interest in visiting
HOuston,
hehe :) (maybe next spring, after the L&L conference)
-=-=-=-
Would y'all be interested in a funshop on hosting your own mini- (or
mega-) conference at this year's conference? I may be able to talk Pam
Genant, who put on a one day conference in Charlotte, NC last year, and
Kathryn Baptista, who put on last year's Live and Learn in Peabody, to
join me.
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
http://liveandlearnconference.org
From: Kristina Kahney <kkahney@...>
Yes! Think of the income and experience you could gain from a book and
maybe
doing some workshops around the country. You could bring your kids
along and
have a grand adventure! I'd organize a workshop in our area to bring
you here,
and I know people would happily pay to attend. Any interest in visiting
HOuston,
hehe :) (maybe next spring, after the L&L conference)
-=-=-=-
Would y'all be interested in a funshop on hosting your own mini- (or
mega-) conference at this year's conference? I may be able to talk Pam
Genant, who put on a one day conference in Charlotte, NC last year, and
Kathryn Baptista, who put on last year's Live and Learn in Peabody, to
join me.
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
http://liveandlearnconference.org
Cally Brown
> I used to want to stall until I had a teen, because I'd gottenOh yes, I can relate to this - quite a few people here have also said I
> criticism in
> years past (not criticism, dismissal) for my oldest "only being... (9,
> 10,
> 11...) Then when the kids were teens they weren't doing anything
> earthforming,
> so it seemed I should wait until I had one grown. But what if he
> grows up to
> kill the president? A book by me would be bad for unschooling.
should write a book because they would like to see something written by
a New Zealander - virtually all of the books out there about
homeschooling of any kind are american with a few british ones thrown
in. I have always worried about all the 'what ifs', and as well about
how the kids would feel about it. Even when I have written in our local
newsletter, I have sometimes felt that the kids felt pressure. So when
do I write the book that it won't either refect badly on unschooling
(especially to people that aren't 'there' yet), or be embarrassing to my
boys!.......
Yes! My 17yo (who has never been able to learn to write and spell to
school standards) went out and got himself a job!
No! he moved out of home in anger!
Oh my gosh, at 19 he's getting married to a 16yo.
Oh my gosh and more! He's become a father at 20yo.
No! His wife has left him.
Yes! They are back together and working things out.
Yes! He has a new, and very good job and they are moving a long way away
to become independent, away from the pressures of particular friends and
family.
No! She's left him again.
Yes, they are back together again......
Then there's the second son (anger management problems etc etc).....
And the third (depression etc etc)......
And the fourth....
I doubt I will ever do it - but on the other hand, I am neither as
erudite nor as well known nor as insightful as you, Sandra.
> And then I thought that if I wrote a book that flopped, that would be'The Book of My Enemy has Been Remaindered' by Clive James
> embarrassing. I don't want to be on remainder tables or dumpsters.
http://ug.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/bookofmyenemy.html
enjoy
> And if I wroteYeah, that is scary. But you know what? I've had my kids say, well, so
> a book that satisfied a publisher and was not a flop, I would be getting
> calls from pusher people than a local newspaper supplement, and people
> would spy
> on my kids and "test them."
what? we don't care about people like that. They are so secure in their
own selves after being raised in a way less unschooling way than yours,
Sandra. I think you should talk to your kids about your fears, and you
may find that they aren't bothered. My #2 son (21) was just talking
yesterday about how the people he works with are 'not dumb, they have
just never had the chance to learn how to think for themselves' and it
seems that rather than feel put down by them, he feels sorry for them
for being so stuck in a thoughtless world! Despite all the mistakes I
have made with my kids, they are really cool people: it's my own
insecurities that are the real barrier - it's just easier to use the
excuse of the effect on them! What a wonderful person I am to put my
aspirations to become a world famous author and education guru to one
side for the sake of my beloved fragile babies. That sounds so much
better than, 'I'm scared! whinge, whine...'
But you know what, Sandra? If you had come before me timewise, and had
written an unschooling book that I had read before I started on this
path, then my life and the life of all four of my children - but
especially my eldest son - would have been even better. It's not your
job, or mine, to raise the world's children, but IF you have the time,
IF you have the energy, then talk to your family, let them choose if the
risks to them are too great, and then if they agree, go for it because
what you have to offer, is so very much needed in this world.
Cally
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/12/05 3:05:26 PM, mjcmbrwn@... writes:
impressive. <HA!>
Oh, Holly went to England. What did she do? Dressed up and posed as a
hooker leaning on a lampost in SoHo. Kirby had a job for four and a half
years. That sounded good. Now he's been unemployed for three or four months and
keeps putting off getting a GED because he's having fun playing World of
Warcraft. <g>
Sandra
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>YEAH THAT! That's what I worry about. The kids won't be still and
> Yes! My 17yo (who has never been able to learn to write and spell to
> school standards) went out and got himself a job!
> No! he moved out of home in anger!
> Oh my gosh, at 19 he's getting married to a 16yo.
> Oh my gosh and more! He's become a father at 20yo.
> No! His wife has left him.
> Yes! They are back together and working things out.
> Yes! He has a new, and very good job and they are moving a long way away
> to become independent, away from the pressures of particular friends and
> family.
> No! She's left him again.
> Yes, they are back together again......
>
>
impressive. <HA!>
Oh, Holly went to England. What did she do? Dressed up and posed as a
hooker leaning on a lampost in SoHo. Kirby had a job for four and a half
years. That sounded good. Now he's been unemployed for three or four months and
keeps putting off getting a GED because he's having fun playing World of
Warcraft. <g>
Sandra
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K Krejci
Being a rather abrasive, hotheaded, foot-in-mouth
person, I am requesting input from saner heads before
I alienate yet another 'regular' kid/parent.
Ellis has a friend who lives down the street. The
short version of the story is that her mother works in
the same department as me, is getting divorced, really
REALLY likes my husband and enjoys using him/us as a
way to entertain her daughter (and frequently her dog,
too).
All that aside, her daughter is a lot more ...
unfocused than Ellis, rarely spending more than 2
minutes on any topic or activity. One day, 6 year-old
Ellis told his daddy "I like Zoe but sometimes she's
(pause) difficult."
On a recent visit/dumping of the kid, the plan turned
into a trip to the park across the street. Ellis was
chatting about various things when suddenly Zoe's mom
snapped her fingers at him and barked, "Shoes! Get
your shoes!"
Fortunately, I was in shock because I might have
otherwise thrown her out of the house.
Zoe is probably going to be here again this afternoon.
I ask you - how would you handle this or a similar
situation?
Thanks for your brains!
Kathy
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person, I am requesting input from saner heads before
I alienate yet another 'regular' kid/parent.
Ellis has a friend who lives down the street. The
short version of the story is that her mother works in
the same department as me, is getting divorced, really
REALLY likes my husband and enjoys using him/us as a
way to entertain her daughter (and frequently her dog,
too).
All that aside, her daughter is a lot more ...
unfocused than Ellis, rarely spending more than 2
minutes on any topic or activity. One day, 6 year-old
Ellis told his daddy "I like Zoe but sometimes she's
(pause) difficult."
On a recent visit/dumping of the kid, the plan turned
into a trip to the park across the street. Ellis was
chatting about various things when suddenly Zoe's mom
snapped her fingers at him and barked, "Shoes! Get
your shoes!"
Fortunately, I was in shock because I might have
otherwise thrown her out of the house.
Zoe is probably going to be here again this afternoon.
I ask you - how would you handle this or a similar
situation?
Thanks for your brains!
Kathy
It's Good 2 B Dog Nutz!
http://www.good2bdognutz.com
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Shannon
i would be interested in this funshop. i have been wanting a conference out
here in phoenix, and it hasn't happened yet.
shan
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
kbcdlovejo@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: Book?
-----Original Message-----
From: Kristina Kahney <kkahney@...>
Yes! Think of the income and experience you could gain from a book and
maybe
doing some workshops around the country. You could bring your kids
along and
have a grand adventure! I'd organize a workshop in our area to bring
you here,
and I know people would happily pay to attend. Any interest in visiting
HOuston,
hehe :) (maybe next spring, after the L&L conference)
-=-=-=-
Would y'all be interested in a funshop on hosting your own mini- (or
mega-) conference at this year's conference? I may be able to talk Pam
Genant, who put on a one day conference in Charlotte, NC last year, and
Kathryn Baptista, who put on last year's Live and Learn in Peabody, to
join me.
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
http://liveandlearnconference.org
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here in phoenix, and it hasn't happened yet.
shan
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[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
kbcdlovejo@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: Book?
-----Original Message-----
From: Kristina Kahney <kkahney@...>
Yes! Think of the income and experience you could gain from a book and
maybe
doing some workshops around the country. You could bring your kids
along and
have a grand adventure! I'd organize a workshop in our area to bring
you here,
and I know people would happily pay to attend. Any interest in visiting
HOuston,
hehe :) (maybe next spring, after the L&L conference)
-=-=-=-
Would y'all be interested in a funshop on hosting your own mini- (or
mega-) conference at this year's conference? I may be able to talk Pam
Genant, who put on a one day conference in Charlotte, NC last year, and
Kathryn Baptista, who put on last year's Live and Learn in Peabody, to
join me.
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
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Kornelia Mitchell
At 05:16 PM 7/12/05 -0400, SandraDodd@... wrote:
poster kids for the "Homeshooled kids are better and more successful and
will win all the spelling bees and get into college and rule the world"
society, but because your kids are regular kids who do normal things that
are part of LIFE as human beings. With the one HUGE difference that their
mom trusts in, believes in, and totally supports them and their choices in
life and allows them to have fun and be happy, unconditionally. This is the
important message the world needs to hear!
It was and is incredably important for me to find validation for my beliefs
and feelings that kids can and should be trusted to be the best "Kirby",
"Marty", "Holly", etc that they can be, and not some clone of their parents
or their friends or some societal ideal.
Kornelia
(A proud member of the WeNeedaBookBySandra!!! fan club :-)
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>YEAH THAT! That's what I worry about. The kids won't be still andAnd this is precisely why the world NEEDS a book! Not because your kids are
>impressive. <HA!>
>
>Oh, Holly went to England. What did she do? Dressed up and posed as a
>hooker leaning on a lampost in SoHo. Kirby had a job for four and a half
>years. That sounded good. Now he's been unemployed for three or four
>months and
>keeps putting off getting a GED because he's having fun playing World of
>Warcraft. <g>
>
>Sandra
poster kids for the "Homeshooled kids are better and more successful and
will win all the spelling bees and get into college and rule the world"
society, but because your kids are regular kids who do normal things that
are part of LIFE as human beings. With the one HUGE difference that their
mom trusts in, believes in, and totally supports them and their choices in
life and allows them to have fun and be happy, unconditionally. This is the
important message the world needs to hear!
It was and is incredably important for me to find validation for my beliefs
and feelings that kids can and should be trusted to be the best "Kirby",
"Marty", "Holly", etc that they can be, and not some clone of their parents
or their friends or some societal ideal.
Kornelia
(A proud member of the WeNeedaBookBySandra!!! fan club :-)
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Kristina Kahney
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I would be interested in this, especially hearing from you all that have organized before. Great idea!
Kristina
www.kahneytribe.blogspot.com
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>>Would y'all be interested in a funshop on hosting your own mini- (or mega-) conference at this year's conference?>>Kelly,
I would be interested in this, especially hearing from you all that have organized before. Great idea!
Kristina
www.kahneytribe.blogspot.com
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Kristina Kahney
>>OH, yeah, now you've gone too far and done the BAPTIST guilt. God gave you a gift and it's a sin not to sacrifice ALL your time and energy to helping others with it.>>>Haha! It did totally come out sounding that way didn't it? sorry~
Kristina
www.kahneytribe.blogspot.com
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Deb Lewis
***And for a procrastinator and perfectionist, that was overwhelming
reason.***
I'm glad you're writing everyday on the lists and message board. You
once said you thought the lists were important places for information
exchange and if you were busy writing a book you wouldn't have the time
to write to the lists. I'm sure there are a lot of people who found just
the inspiration/help they needed because of your writing on these forums.
***and some want to have something they can give a sister in law***
That's me. All the other things I've been thinking I'd like to give her
would get me arrested. <g>
You're a writer, you'll write a book, or ten. And I'm no Baptist but
I'd appreciate it if you could get around to it before I go to jail. <G>
Deb L
reason.***
I'm glad you're writing everyday on the lists and message board. You
once said you thought the lists were important places for information
exchange and if you were busy writing a book you wouldn't have the time
to write to the lists. I'm sure there are a lot of people who found just
the inspiration/help they needed because of your writing on these forums.
***and some want to have something they can give a sister in law***
That's me. All the other things I've been thinking I'd like to give her
would get me arrested. <g>
You're a writer, you'll write a book, or ten. And I'm no Baptist but
I'd appreciate it if you could get around to it before I go to jail. <G>
Deb L
Elizabeth Hill
**
I'm glad you're writing everyday on the lists and message board. You
once said you thought the lists were important places for information
exchange and if you were busy writing a book you wouldn't have the time
to write to the lists. I'm sure there are a lot of people who found just
the inspiration/help they needed because of your writing on these forums.**
I think I like online lists and forums better than books. (maybe because I don't have to share my computer with anyone)
Betsy
I'm glad you're writing everyday on the lists and message board. You
once said you thought the lists were important places for information
exchange and if you were busy writing a book you wouldn't have the time
to write to the lists. I'm sure there are a lot of people who found just
the inspiration/help they needed because of your writing on these forums.**
I think I like online lists and forums better than books. (maybe because I don't have to share my computer with anyone)
Betsy
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/12/05 8:19:41 PM, ecsamhill@... writes:
sometimes compared to the newest news. And especially, I think, because I've
always loved and hoarded non-fiction. Almanacs are no good now except for
bathroom reading and maps and trivia. If I want information, google's better.
I used to buy video guides (really heavy books to look up cast and all)
but IMBD is WORLDS better, has photos and links and cross references and
obscure credits. Folk music, I have a GREAT collection of books, but new versions
have been found of lots of things, and online you can get to recordings or at
least midis of tunes, and cross references.
And some of the essays I've written and put on line will be no uglier in book
form, but like this one:
http://sandradodd.com/HippieShirt
in black on white, it's going to lose a lot.
YES I KNOW, I'm procrastinating and whining.
I also knew after Pam showed me lulu.com that I would need a scanner and a
better computer, a Mac that could get on the wireless network so I could upload
a lengthy Word file, because my old Mac was on dialup. And so here I am
with a new computer and the $50-after-rebate scanner that I got with it.
Progress.
Sandra
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> I think I like online lists and forums better than books.I used to be a huge book lover, but now books seem so cluttery and outdated
>
sometimes compared to the newest news. And especially, I think, because I've
always loved and hoarded non-fiction. Almanacs are no good now except for
bathroom reading and maps and trivia. If I want information, google's better.
I used to buy video guides (really heavy books to look up cast and all)
but IMBD is WORLDS better, has photos and links and cross references and
obscure credits. Folk music, I have a GREAT collection of books, but new versions
have been found of lots of things, and online you can get to recordings or at
least midis of tunes, and cross references.
And some of the essays I've written and put on line will be no uglier in book
form, but like this one:
http://sandradodd.com/HippieShirt
in black on white, it's going to lose a lot.
YES I KNOW, I'm procrastinating and whining.
I also knew after Pam showed me lulu.com that I would need a scanner and a
better computer, a Mac that could get on the wireless network so I could upload
a lengthy Word file, because my old Mac was on dialup. And so here I am
with a new computer and the $50-after-rebate scanner that I got with it.
Progress.
Sandra
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Shannon
<but like this one:
<http://sandradodd.com/HippieShirt
<in black on white, it's going to lose a lot.
Since you are publishing this book yourself, why can't you make the pages as
fancy as you want? Besides, that is one of the things that would make this
book stand out from others. doncha think?
shan
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<http://sandradodd.com/HippieShirt
<in black on white, it's going to lose a lot.
Since you are publishing this book yourself, why can't you make the pages as
fancy as you want? Besides, that is one of the things that would make this
book stand out from others. doncha think?
shan
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