Heidi Crane

>In a message dated 6/18/2005 10:02:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
>bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
>
>I think the combination of all the sugar from
>the many otter pops made her active and even hyper-active
>
>
>HEY! I just wrote something about this, but not because I read this.
>Sugar doesn't make kids hyperactive.
>
>Caffein doesn't stunt their growth.
>
>Old wives' tales. Old mean mom tales.

I just got done reading it! LOL Well, something kept her agitated and awake
the night she couldn't find the dog. And, something stopped her from being
able to get comfortable, night before last. I don't know if sugar makes kids
hyper-active, for sure. But I can tell you THIS for sure: It made my skin
crawl, when I ate a whole bunch of Smarties while writing a paper in college
a lifetime ago. The huge amount of sugar that I ate caused a physical effect
that I could feel in my body. I've also seen my boy, when he was littler,
after eating a lot of sugar, get more jumpy. Like, flinching and crying when
an airplane flew overhead. Not hyper, though. So, maybe the experts need to
study jumpiness, not hyperactivity.

>-=-I told her all of this, and said "If
>you eat sugary things this late at night, you're setting yourself up for
>sleeplessness."=-
>
>I don't think this is true. It's worth looking into the blind studies
>done
>with moms who were sure sugar caused hyperactivity. It didn't.
>
>-=-Well, day before yesterday, she ate a ton of otter pops AGAIN.-=-
>
>Otter pops are some of the cheapest things you could possibly buy, aren't
>they? For anyone unfamiliar, an otter pop is a tube of plastic with
>flavored
>water in it you freeze in the freezer, cut the end of the plastic off, and
>squeeze the stuff out and eat it. It's like a popsicle in a tube, but not
>as
>thick as popsicles (not as much flavor or sugar). They're unfrozen when
>you
>buy them, so they're cheap to ship. You can freeze and melt and
>re-freeze; it
>doesn't matter.

Yup, and we all love em, so I keep them stocked. Something like three cents
a piece. The cost is not a big deal.

>-=- I let her know that I was quite angry about that, and considered it to
>be
>extremely inconsiderate of the rest of the family for her to eat them up
>like that. I didnt' shout, but I was adamant and my tone of voice was firm.
>-=-
>
>Your response probably did her more damage than 200 otter pops would've
>done.
>Was the rest of the family really wanting Otter Pops?

Actually, Sandra, that's WHY I was angry about it. Our whole family loves
them. I'm an otter pop fiend myself. We'd all eaten a bunch, before I and my
older girl went out for errands. Katie wanted to stay home and
watch...something...on TV. When we left, there were three sheets of them,
about 30 individual Otter Pops. When we got back two or three hours later,
with the thought of a lovely green otter pop in my mind, to find them all
gone, but two purple and a red...No, I don't think I was inappropriate to
let her know that her eating that many all on her own wasn't considerate. It
WASN'T. Eating (nearly) all of something, when other family members might
want some, too?
That. Is. Inconsiderate.

>-=-I haven't told her "you can't have those otter pops" -=-
>
>WHAT? You just did. You told her she was extremely inconsiderate to have
>had those otter pops. If you say "yes you can" and then get angry, that's
>bigtime entrapment.

What I have told all the kids is "You can have as much as you want of
something, but please keep in mind that there are five in the family. Don't
eat the last of the __________ (fill in the blank) without asking if someone
hasn't had some." sometimes, if I buy something for a specific recipe later
on in the week, I'll ask the family not to eat them as snacks. Might even
put a little note on there "Strawberries for dessert on Tuesday. Please
wait" or some such. With food in general it's "Please ask before eating the
last/all of something, if anyone else would like a piece"

My girl didn't ask anyone if they wanted some. She just ate them. If she'd
said "Pick up more otter pops while you're out, I'm gonna finish them off"
it would have been better. At least then, I could have said "well, set aside
a green one" ...but just consuming them without Considering whether someone
else might like a few...Inconsiderate. And, her doing that was simple
childish inconsideration. My telling her that it made me angry was a way of
helping her to see that her actions have consequences for others.

>Can you make popsicles with juice instead of koolaid?
>We use ice trays and the rings from Discovery Toys called "Boomerings."
>Put
>the juice in the ice tray, stick a ring in each one, and it takes four or
>five of them to be the equivalent of a small glass of juice. My kids will
>still eat those, even though they're big guys. It's a quicky little bit
>of
>coolness and juice. (other kinds of plastic rings would work, and then
>you can
>wash the rings in the dishwasher by putting them over two posts, or in
>with
>forks and spoons)

Juice is a good idea. We've been making yogurt smoothies a lot lately. I
wonder if freezing the pureed ingredients in paper cups would work. You just
tear off the paper around the upper edges, and the bottom section of the cup
becomes the handle. Juice is a bit more expensive than otter pops, though,
and more work.

>-=-What should I do, if anything, the next time she starts sucking down the
>otter pops, or the kool aid or whatever?-=-
>
>Maybe find a happier healthier substitute, or just don't worry about it.
>I
>don't think otter pops could make anyone gain weight.

>-=-This child is not exhibiting much self control
>here. Do I need to do something/say something to stop her? I think she's
>hurting herself-=-

>Is she eating those things because she's bored?
>Find something to do that's fun that gets her busy, uses her hands, or gets
>her out of the house where the otter pops aren't.

And here, I think you've hit the nail on the head. This little one is
turning out to be a kid that likes to be busy, and I've got to work harder
at keeping up with her.

Thanks for your advice, Sandra. It's a work in progress, and that's no lie!

blessings, HeidC



>Sandra
>
>

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In a message dated 6/19/2005 5:19:24 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:

It made my skin
crawl, when I ate a whole bunch of Smarties while writing a paper in college
a lifetime ago. The huge amount of sugar that I ate caused a physical effect
that I could feel in my body.


Maybe it was the colors or the citric acid or something besides sugar.
Aren't smarties little, hard and sour/citric?

Sandra


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Jordan

Kinda like when I ate a whole pineapple trying to go into labor with Jomy.
I read that the enzymes in fresh pineapple can trigger labor, so I tried it.
Well, you can imagine what happened�mouth all puckery and burnt from the
acid, even water tasted yucky when I tried to drink. I couldn�t eat
anything else for about 24 hours and I suffered all of the resultant effects
of that in my 9 month pregnant body.

When you ate your Smarties, were you also sleep deprived? Did you drink 2
gallons of soda with them?

So, just because I had a bad, if somewhat stupid experience with pineapple,
and you were less than smart with the Smarties, it doesn�t mean people
shouldn�t eat lots of pineapple if it works for them, or that people will
all react adversely to sugar, or color, or citric acid. My husband can, and
does, eat Halloween sized bags of Smarties in October since that is the only
time we can get them. He also eats 30 Fla-Vor-Ice at a sitting, (but
prefers Otter Pops, BTW) and still goes to work the next day.

So, it�s probably not the sugar, it�s the ________ (fill in the blank as
appropriate).

Tami, who doesn�t really care for Fla-Vor-Ice OR Smarties.

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In a message dated 6/19/2005 5:19:24 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:

It made my skin
crawl, when I ate a whole bunch of Smarties while writing a paper in
college
a lifetime ago. The huge amount of sugar that I ate caused a physical
effect
that I could feel in my body.


Maybe it was the colors or the citric acid or something besides sugar.
Aren't smarties little, hard and sour/citric?

Sandra


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Heidi Crane

>>The huge amount of sugar that I ate caused a physical effect<<
>>that I could feel in my body.<<
>
>
>Maybe it was the colors or the citric acid or something besides sugar.
>Aren't smarties little, hard and sour/citric?
>
>Sandra


okay, could have been the colors or flavors, or the acid. And the same goes
for the otter pops. So, instead of saying to my daughter "all that sugar
made you sleepless" I should say "It might have been the red dye or the neon
blue coloring"? The main point would be pretty much the same, to try and get
her to think about how she feels after eating a whole lot of something.

I also asked Katie if she felt hyper the night she ate all the kool-aid
pops, and she said no, but had a really hard time getting comfortable. Hm.
There was a diet out there a few years back for hyper active kids, and it
didn't cut out sugar, but artificial flavors and colors. So, it was more
than/other than sugar those nights, but it was still SOMETHING. It was too
much of something, and I'm willing to let her figure it out by eating "too
much"...just leave a couple of green otter pops for da mom!

BTW, there's more otter pops in the house, and three days later, more than
half of them are still here. The first two boxes of the summer got gobbled
down really fast, and the third box is staying longer.

blessings, heidiC



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mamaaj2000

--- In [email protected], "Heidi Crane"
<bunsofaluminum60@h...> wrote:
> okay, could have been the colors or flavors, or the acid. And the
same goes
> for the otter pops. So, instead of saying to my daughter "all that
sugar
> made you sleepless" I should say "It might have been the red dye
or the neon
> blue coloring"? The main point would be pretty much the same, to
try and get
> her to think about how she feels after eating a whole lot of
something.

No, it wouldn't be pretty much the same point, it would be very
different!! If you tell her it's the sugar and you're wrong, she may
be thinking to herself about other times she's eaten sugar and been
fine. It's disconcerting when someone confidently tells you things
that don't seem to make sense, esp. when it's to tell you what you
did was bad for you.

> I also asked Katie if she felt hyper the night she ate all the
kool-aid
> pops, and she said no, but had a really hard time getting
comfortable. Hm.
> There was a diet out there a few years back for hyper active kids,
and it
> didn't cut out sugar, but artificial flavors and colors. So, it
was more
> than/other than sugar those nights, but it was still SOMETHING. It
was too
> much of something, and I'm willing to let her figure it out by
eating "too
> much"...just leave a couple of green otter pops for da mom!
>

It's great to be a detective with her. Ask her how she feels first,
before even suggesting words like hyper. Or saying "too much" even
with quotes, lol! Maybe it had nothing to do with what she ate.
Maybe she ate all the otter pops AND was restless because of
something else.

I don't think you have to be silent and let her figure it out by
herself. I would talk about what it looked like to you and see if
there's anything to disprove your theory. It would be great to know
what sensitivities, if any, she has.

--aj, still awake at 2am due to some of the following: Ben and
Jerry's chocolate therapy
(http://www.benjerry.com/our_products/flavor_details.cfm?
product_id=150) with chocolate shell on top, a very very sore
shoulder, a two year old who went to be bed WAY early and sleeping
fitfully and noisily now, and a baby with congestion. I have been
eating the ice cream late at night and then feeling more awake
afterwards lately, but I don't know if it's the ice cream or that
I'm sitting down at the computer to eat it...looking forward to
experimenting with eating it on the couch!!

Dawn Adams

Maybe it was the colors or the citric acid or something besides sugar.
Aren't smarties little, hard and sour/citric?

Sandra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh no! Smarties are like M&M's. Candy coated chocolate except the colours are brighter and the chocolate is milk instead of dark. Much better.

Dawn

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Jordan

Not in my world. Maybe there are two kinds. My husband eats the
sweet-tartish kind that come rolled in cellophane.

Tami, who considers chocolate the base of the food pyramid.

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Maybe it was the colors or the citric acid or something besides sugar.
Aren't smarties little, hard and sour/citric?

Sandra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh no! Smarties are like M&M's. Candy coated chocolate except the colours
are brighter and the chocolate is milk instead of dark. Much better.

Dawn

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Schuyler Waynforth

--- In [email protected], "Heidi Crane"
<bunsofaluminum60@h...> wrote:
> >In a message dated 6/18/2005 10:02:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> >bunsofaluminum60@h... writes:
> >
> >I think the combination of all the sugar from
> >the many otter pops made her active and even hyper-active
> >
> >
> >HEY! I just wrote something about this, but not because I read this.
> >Sugar doesn't make kids hyperactive.
> >
> >Caffein doesn't stunt their growth.
> >
> >Old wives' tales. Old mean mom tales.

This is a review of the work done in the 90's on hyperactivity and sugar.

Cheers,
Schuyler

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/children/9911/22/diet.sugar.myth.kids.wmd/

Robyn Coburn

<<<<< Oh no! Smarties are like M&M's. Candy coated chocolate except the
colours are brighter and the chocolate is milk instead of dark. Much
better.>>>>

These are Australian "Smarties". In the US, "Smarties" are slightly fizzy
sweet/sour pastel colored candy (my favorite).

Robyn L. Coburn (Oz expatriate)

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soggyboysmom

--- In [email protected], "Heidi Crane"
<bunsofaluminum60@h...> wrote:
>
> What I have told all the kids is "You can have as much as you want
>of
> something, but please keep in mind that there are five in the
>family. Don't
> eat the last of the __________ (fill in the blank) without asking
if >someone
> hasn't had some."
Well, she did exactly that - she left a few, even if they weren't
your particular favorites.

I've seen DS (he's 7) go for those frozen colored sugar water things
big time on occasion - and usually (not always), it's a reaction to
something else: tiredness, stress, true hunger for something (that
I'm-hungry-but-don't-know-what-I-want-so-I'll-just-keep-on-with-what-
is-convenient thing), and sometimes it's even just having the first
big box of them in the house for the warm weather time. We've seen
the first box disappear about as fast as they got frozen. And the
third box, or the sixth box, may hang around until Labor Day.

BTW I was wondering what 'Otter Pops' were since I don't think I've
seen that particular brand name on these things - I think we get the
FlaVorIce things, same deal, different label. The mental image
an "Otter Pop" brought to mind was something chocolatey on the
outside (otter color).

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In a message dated 6/20/2005 1:23:30 AM Central Standard Time,
mamaaj2000@... writes:

still awake at 2am due to some of the following: Ben and
Jerry's chocolate therapy



~~~

Caffiene in the chocolate, maybe? I noticed it had chocolate liqour in the
ingredients list. :)

Karen


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In a message dated 6/20/2005 4:29:26 AM Central Standard Time,
dawnadams@... writes:

Oh no! Smarties are like M&M's. Candy coated chocolate except the colours
are brighter and the chocolate is milk instead of dark. Much better.



~~~

In Canada?

Smarties in the US are little disks of sugar. I love them.

So if the Smarties the kid was eating were chocolate, then there's naturally
occurring caffeine in them. For a person who doesn't get much caffeine, it
wouldn't take much to get a sleep disturbance.

Anyone ever see the effects of different drugs on the way spiders build
their webs? I saw it years ago, and now I'm surprised to finid out it was in
1995:
_http://www.coffee.co.uk/spiders.html_ (http://www.coffee.co.uk/spiders.html)

I'm not anti-caffeine, by the way. I love my cup o' tea in the morning.
Karen


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In a message dated 6/20/2005 7:53:11 AM Central Standard Time,
debra.rossing@... writes:

We've seen
the first box disappear about as fast as they got frozen. And the
third box, or the sixth box, may hang around until Labor Day.



~~~

I have a couple of sheets of them in the freezer from about 2 summers ago.
Just didn't get eaten. I cleaned out the freezer the other day, and put them
right out on the top, where kids could see them. They're just moved out of
the way to get to the waffles. hmmph. Hate to throw them out, because there
will be a certain 4 yo come by that will probably eat one. I wonder how
long you can keep them?

Karen


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In a message dated 6/19/2005 9:38:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:

So, instead of saying to my daughter "all that sugar
made you sleepless" I should say "It might have been the red dye or the neon
blue coloring"?


How about give her access to a light, some books, a DVD player, and not
worry about whether she's asleep or awake? She has to figure it out one her
own, in her own way. Having a running commentary about why she SHOULD be
sleepier or SHOULD be asleep doesn't help her feel her own feelings. You can't
feel her feelings, you can only guess.

Kirby doesn't need as much sleep as the other kids do. When he was hitting
the heavy puberty (growing tall, getting hairier) he slept more, but after
that settled out he was back to not as much sleep. I don't need as much sleep
as Keith does, but I go through phases of needing more (always have, since I
was a kid) and I just let that happen without beating myself up or measuring
hours or blaming what I ate.

-=-The main point would be pretty much the same, to try and get
her to think about how she feels after eating a whole lot of something.
-=-

How can she think about how she feels with you talking so much? <bwg>

-=- So, it was more
than/other than sugar those nights, but it was still SOMETHING. It was too
much of something,-=-

Too much of mom-anger?
Who wouldn't feel uncomfortable having just been made to feel really guilty?
The otter pops probably turned to ash in her stomach. (Not literally,
biblically.)

Sandra


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In a message dated 6/20/2005 12:23:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
mamaaj2000@... writes:

I have been
eating the ice cream late at night and then feeling more awake
afterwards lately, but I don't know if it's the ice cream or that
I'm sitting down at the computer to eat it...looking forward to
experimenting with eating it on the couch!!



Coldness, I bet.

If I'm sleepy or sleeping and I wake up enough for a drink of water, if the
water's room temperature I go right back to sleep. If it's really cold, it
wakes me up.

Keith has taken to keeping the bottled water in the fridge instead of the
garage, and I'm better off without really cold water at bedtime or by the bed.

HEY! Long-traditional info suggests that too. They've said since before I
was born that warm milk will help you go to sleep. Nobody said "Ice cold
milk!"

Sandra


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Dawn Adams

> <<<<< Oh no! Smarties are like M&M's. Candy coated chocolate except the
> colours are brighter and the chocolate is milk instead of dark. Much
> better.>>>>
>
> These are Australian "Smarties". In the US, "Smarties" are slightly fizzy
> sweet/sour pastel colored candy (my favorite).
>
> Robyn L. Coburn (Oz expatriate)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Those are Canadian Smarties as well, not just Ozzie. I'd venture to say it's
a Commonwealth treat. :)

I didn't realize the Americans had a candy by the same name.

Dawn (in Canada, craving Smarties)

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In a message dated 6/20/2005 3:29:26 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
dawnadams@... writes:

-=-milk instead of dark. Much better.-=-



Eeyew.
Milk chocolate isn't better.

There are some Star Wars M&Ms (we can only get them at Walgreen's, and I
fear they're temporarily available). The "M&Mpire" has made dark chocolate
M&Ms. They're wonderful. <g> The colors are dark too.

I don't know what candies I'm thinking of then, that are like little solid
sourish things.

Sandra


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Re-introducing the original Otter Pops® with all their great tasting flavors
and original characters: Sir Isaac Lime®, Little Orphan Orange®, Strawberry
Short Kook®, Louie-Bloo Raspberry®, Poncho Punch®, and Alexander The Grape.
Otter Pops® come in six zippy flavors and are pasteurized for purity and
wholesomeness. Otter Pops® come in a variety of sizes: 18, 100 or 200-count
boxes, and are a delicious fast freeze treat.
_http://www.otterpopstars.com/_ (http://www.otterpopstars.com/)
(http://otterpopstars.com) We got them at Costco (formerly Price Club, as
I'm doing a full disclosure so the other side can form its case). I have some
in the freezer, and they were made in West Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A. These
we have are very long and skinny like FlavorIce, and don't each have the
character. We used to get short ones with the character picture like on the
website. Maye that's why they say they're returning. <g> When the kids were
little they liked the pictures. [We've had these for a long, long time. I'm
sure two years, but I'm afraid three. They were in the bottom of the freezer
in the garage and kept being under other stuff. They're in the kitchen now,
very visible, but still not moving out of there.)
I'm not recommending them as great food or anything, but neither are they
likely to ruin anyone's health. I don't know about you guys, but it was 98
degrees at our house yesterday and not the least bit cloudy. If kids will get
liquid into them in ANY way, it's good.
Also just noticed some brilliant scientist said it seemed that tea and coffee
DID qualify as "liquids." Yeah, DUH. I've been amused and disgusted
through these last few water-worshipping years about how much water people were
supposed to drink (also a "truth" rescinded lately) and they'd say "tea
doesn't count." Tea is just water that leaves soaked in. Puhleeeze. People
shouldn't be so gullible, and maybe scientists are lately as gullible and
misguided as anyone.
Sandra


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In a message dated 6/20/2005 7:14:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
tuckervill2@... writes:

Anyone ever see the effects of different drugs on the way spiders build
their webs? I saw it years ago, and now I'm surprised to finid out it was
in
1995:
_http://www.coffee.co.uk/spiders.html_ (http://www.coffe
e.co.uk/spiders.html)


There was one MANY years ago about spiders on LSD. Scientific American, I
thought. It's just... the doses they can figure out how to administer to
spiders are likely to be way more than any human could ever possibly get inside
them.

Some of the studies with rats and mice were ludicrous too, for the relative
amounts of the substances they were shoving into those poor things.

Sandra


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soggyboysmom

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
>
> There are some Star Wars M&Ms (we can only get them at Walgreen's,
>and I
> fear they're temporarily available). The "M&Mpire" has made dark
>chocolate
> M&Ms. They're wonderful. <g> The colors are dark too.
>
> I don't know what candies I'm thinking of then, that are like
little >solid
> sourish things.
>
> Sandra
>
>
We LOVE the Dark Side of the Ms :-)

Yes, Smarties are little hard, sourish candies that come in a little
cellophane wrapped roll. I fear we're adrift in a sea of cultural
differences where things have different names.

--Deb

soggyboysmom

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> Also just noticed some brilliant scientist said it seemed that tea
>and coffee
> DID qualify as "liquids." Yeah, DUH. I've been amused and
>disgusted
> through these last few water-worshipping years about how much
water >people were
> supposed to drink (also a "truth" rescinded lately) and they'd
>say "tea
> doesn't count." Tea is just water that leaves soaked in.
>Puhleeeze. People
> shouldn't be so gullible, and maybe scientists are lately as
>gullible and
> misguided as anyone.
> Sandra
However, for -some- people, teas and coffee can act as a diuretic
which -might- become a problem in -some- situations. No more or less
a problem than any other caffeinated beverage probably (I think it's
the caffeine that sort of 'revs' the elimination musculature). I
know that -for me-, a cup of tea or coffee (hot or cold) WILL
require several trips to the bathroom in a way that glasses of water
don't.

--Deb

Schuyler Waynforth

Smarties are little, hard and sour/citric in the U.S. Everywhere else
they are basically M&M's.

http://www.classaxe.com/smarties/

Schuyler


--- In [email protected], "Dawn Adams"
<dawnadams@r...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Maybe it was the colors or the citric acid or something besides
sugar.
> Aren't smarties little, hard and sour/citric?
>
> Sandra
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Oh no! Smarties are like M&M's. Candy coated chocolate except the
colours are brighter and the chocolate is milk instead of dark. Much
better.
>
> Dawn
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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In a message dated 6/20/2005 10:43:17 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

It's just... the doses they can figure out how to administer to
spiders are likely to be way more than any human could ever possibly get
inside
them.



~~~
I've thought about that, too. Especially in light of the diminuitive side
of my first grandchild (born May 23rd weighing just 2 lbs., 14 oz.). He was
on blood pressure medicine and all kinds of other things. A grown human could
probably drink his whole diluted dose at one sitting and not even register
it.

So how much coffee did a spider have to drink to mess up his webs? It's
amazing to think about.

Karen

www.badchair.net


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Dana Matt

> So how much coffee did a spider have to drink to
> mess up his webs? It's
> amazing to think about.
>
>
I'm sure they just didn't wait long enough...I think
that spider was trying to write something! ;)

Dana
(coffee goddess)

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100% Organic Fair Trade Coffee
Roasted to Perfection Daily
http://www.guadalupescoffee.com



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In a message dated 6/20/2005 10:45:01 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
debra.rossing@... writes:

However, for -some- people, teas and coffee can act as a diuretic
which -might- become a problem in -some- situations. No more or less
a problem than any other caffeinated beverage probably (I think it's
the caffeine that sort of 'revs' the elimination musculature).


Well then anything a person eats or drinks that causes them to "have to go"
(in any fashion) is a problem on the scale of hydration-total-count, but
that's a personal problem. It doesn't keep coffee and tea from being made of
water.

Sandra


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soggyboysmom

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/20/2005 10:45:01 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> debra.rossing@m... writes:
>
> However, for -some- people, teas and coffee can act as a diuretic
> which -might- become a problem in -some- situations. No more or
>less
> a problem than any other caffeinated beverage probably (I think
>it's
> the caffeine that sort of 'revs' the elimination musculature).
>
>
> Well then anything a person eats or drinks that causes them
>to "have to go"
> (in any fashion) is a problem on the scale of hydration-total-
>count, but
> that's a personal problem. It doesn't keep coffee and tea from
>being made of
> water.
>
> Sandra
No, it doesn't keep coffee and tea from being made from water but
anything (and grapefruit juice and cranberry juice fall into this
category) that -increases- the normal throughput of liquid CAN
become an issue in hot weather because what is going in is not
compensating for the extra output. Not it WILL, but it CAN. There's
a normal input/outgo level where most people keep about even most of
the time and there's a situation where drinking 3 cups of iced tea
and thinking that's enough fluids, might not be. My point was NOT
that they are "suddenly" liquids because someone said so but that IF
you ARE looking at hydration issues, things that increase output
might not be your best choice.

Robyn Coburn

<<<<<< Yes, Smarties are little hard, sourish candies that come in a little
cellophane wrapped roll. I fear we're adrift in a sea of cultural
differences where things have different names.>>>>>


From my youth:

When you eat your Smarties, do you eat the red ones last?
Do you suck them very slowly? Do you crunch them very fast?

I wish I could recall the rest.

Robyn L. Coburn

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Schuyler Waynforth

I love google:

When you eat your Smarties,
Do you eat the red ones last?
Do you suck them very slowly,
Or crunch them very fast?
Eat that candy-coated chocolate,
But tell me when I ask,
When you eat your Smarties,
Do you eat the red ones last?



--- In [email protected], "Robyn Coburn"
<dezigna@c...> wrote:
> <<<<<< Yes, Smarties are little hard, sourish candies that come in a
little
> cellophane wrapped roll. I fear we're adrift in a sea of cultural
> differences where things have different names.>>>>>
>
>
> From my youth:
>
> When you eat your Smarties, do you eat the red ones last?
> Do you suck them very slowly? Do you crunch them very fast?
>
> I wish I could recall the rest.
>
> Robyn L. Coburn
>
> --
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> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 6/20/2005

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In a message dated 6/20/2005 1:17:52 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
debra.rossing@... writes:

My point was NOT
that they are "suddenly" liquids because someone said so but that IF
you ARE looking at hydration issues, things that increase output
might not be your best choice.



My point was that it never makes sense to repeat or act on what "experts"
say without thinking and looking. If it doesn't seem to make sense, maybe it
really IS based on shaky ideas.

Increasing output is good. Urinary tract and related infections/cancer
would (I have heard from various sources over the years) be fewer if people
(especially women) didn't wait so long to pee.

When people live in the desert or they exercise a lot or they work in hot
places (outside, a bakery, restaurant kitchen...) they need to drink a lot more
than other people. But the goal shouldn't be to try to get "hydrated" and
then not pee it out. All that X#of quarts of water is likely to keep people
from feeling what they need and going by a chart instead.

-=- My point was NOT
that they are "suddenly" liquids because someone said so but that IF
you ARE looking at hydration issues, things that increase output
might not be your best choice.
-=-

The point of hydration is to make the body function optimally, and what goes
in SHOULD come out (along with wastes and salts and so forth). We're
organisms, not containers.

Sandra


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Dawn Adams

> >From my youth:
>
> When you eat your Smarties, do you eat the red ones last?
> Do you suck them very slowly? Do you crunch them very fast?
>
> I wish I could recall the rest.
>
> Robyn L. Coburn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Argh.

Now I'm going to have that tune going through my head for the rest of the
night. :)

Dawn