RE:genetic factor/WAS: chores and resentment
Heidi Crane
I agree about the neat/messy thing being genetic, and in my family, it skips
a generation. I mean to say, my mom is a messy extraordinaire, with a
perfectionist complex. This means, she won't do any job unless it can be
done to perfection; thus, many big jobs get ignored, while little jobs are
done to a spit shine. I remember one morning, after I was an adult, and had
stayed the night at her house, waking up and having to push aside pots and
pans in her sink to get a drink of water, while she was standing at the
stove in her nighty, scrubbing around the burners with a toothbrush! LOL
So, I grew up in a house that was a real mess. Ugly. And tougher, because
our friends' houses were all tidier than ours, so it was kind of
embarassing. And I didn't learn housekeeping.
Well, us kids grew up, and all three of us, two girls and a boy, are
naturally tidier, than my mom. It's like we see the clutter, and it drives
us crazy, so we pick it up,while she is able to step over it and ignore it.
We don't clean because our mom taught us to keep things neat always. We just
SEE it, and do something about it, to different levels of tidy.
Now I'm watching my kids, the girls especially, look like turning out to
have the messy gene. Both of their rooms are always (and I mean always. Not
"usually" but "always."_) messy, and they both leave stuff out in the
kitchen and the front room, and they are both capable of walking right over
messes. And my oldest girl, when she was 10 or so, I asked her to clean the
bathroom. When I went in 10 minutes later to check on her, there was stuff
on the floor, the toilet was untouched, there was some scrubbing powder
sprinkled in the tub...and she was polishing the faucet of the sink! With a
q-tip! and some rubbing alcohol!
My boys are both more inclined to pick up, and my girls are like their
gramma, which is a good thing, really, because she's outgoing and fun-loving
and friendly. May they have THOSE traits, as well.
blessings, Heidic
a generation. I mean to say, my mom is a messy extraordinaire, with a
perfectionist complex. This means, she won't do any job unless it can be
done to perfection; thus, many big jobs get ignored, while little jobs are
done to a spit shine. I remember one morning, after I was an adult, and had
stayed the night at her house, waking up and having to push aside pots and
pans in her sink to get a drink of water, while she was standing at the
stove in her nighty, scrubbing around the burners with a toothbrush! LOL
So, I grew up in a house that was a real mess. Ugly. And tougher, because
our friends' houses were all tidier than ours, so it was kind of
embarassing. And I didn't learn housekeeping.
Well, us kids grew up, and all three of us, two girls and a boy, are
naturally tidier, than my mom. It's like we see the clutter, and it drives
us crazy, so we pick it up,while she is able to step over it and ignore it.
We don't clean because our mom taught us to keep things neat always. We just
SEE it, and do something about it, to different levels of tidy.
Now I'm watching my kids, the girls especially, look like turning out to
have the messy gene. Both of their rooms are always (and I mean always. Not
"usually" but "always."_) messy, and they both leave stuff out in the
kitchen and the front room, and they are both capable of walking right over
messes. And my oldest girl, when she was 10 or so, I asked her to clean the
bathroom. When I went in 10 minutes later to check on her, there was stuff
on the floor, the toilet was untouched, there was some scrubbing powder
sprinkled in the tub...and she was polishing the faucet of the sink! With a
q-tip! and some rubbing alcohol!
My boys are both more inclined to pick up, and my girls are like their
gramma, which is a good thing, really, because she's outgoing and fun-loving
and friendly. May they have THOSE traits, as well.
blessings, Heidic
>Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:37:27 EDT
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: chores and resentment
>
>
>In a message dated 6/15/2005 12:13:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
>jjjwoolfolk@... writes:
>
>(I won't even mention the bacteria experiment that is his bathroom which
>is right off the living room)
>
>
>Would there have been a bathroom there if you hadn't had a child?
>
>-=-But my biggest fear is that when he grows up and gets married, instead
>of being a man who can clean up after himself like I got from my MIL, he
>will be a guy who thinks his job is to sit on the sofa playing video
>games while his wife cleans up around him.-=-
>
>Some of the laziest adults I know were made to do a LOT of chores and heavy
>yardwork and wood hauling, etc., when they were kids. And the one who is
>THE
>most industrious and concerned about his house and yard and car is the one
>we used to tease because his mom picked his laundry up and brought it back
>folded and put it in his drawers for him.
>
>Anyway, there's a big genetic component (discovered in studies of adult
>twins who were separated at birth) and so it's just like trying to make all
>your
>kids be equally good at writing or math or music, to try to make them all
>want
> to clean up and do it well.
>
>-=-DIL hates me and never lets me see our grandkids lest I infect them with
>the messy gene.-=-
>
>Too late on the genes (if the kids are your son's).
>
>-=-Of course this is just silly 'cause Josh is a helpful and kind guy who
>would probably share household responsibilities.-=-
>
>Maybe the clean genes are dominant. <bwg>
>
>Sandra
Angela S.
Both of their rooms are always (and I mean always. Not
through. The clothes were strewn from one end of the room to the other, but
I knew what was clean and what was dirty and when I needed clean clothes, I
brought down the dirty ones for mom to wash. But funny, my house, for the
most part, doesn't look like my bedroom did as a kid. (well, ok, some days
it does but not always.) So, they may be messy now, but maybe when they
have their own house, they'll keep it reasonable neat and clean. Just
maybe.....
Angela
game-enthusiast@...
> "usually" but "always."_) messy, and they both leave stuff out in theover
> kitchen and the front room, and they are both capable of walking right
> messesAs a child and teenager, I had one of those bedrooms that you couldn't walk
through. The clothes were strewn from one end of the room to the other, but
I knew what was clean and what was dirty and when I needed clean clothes, I
brought down the dirty ones for mom to wash. But funny, my house, for the
most part, doesn't look like my bedroom did as a kid. (well, ok, some days
it does but not always.) So, they may be messy now, but maybe when they
have their own house, they'll keep it reasonable neat and clean. Just
maybe.....
Angela
game-enthusiast@...
Elizabeth Hill
**Now I'm watching my kids, the girls especially, look like turning out
to have the messy gene. Both of their rooms are always (and I mean
always. Not "usually" but "always."_) messy, and they both leave stuff
out in the kitchen and the front room, and they are both capable of
walking right over messes.**
Being "capable of walking right over messes" could be seen as a strong ability to concentrate and not be distracted by side issues. There's an upside to that.
Alternatively, highly visual thinkers might SEE needed tasks more than people with other styles. Perhaps kinesthetic learners need to *trip* over a pile of junk to be motivated to move it? Auditory learners need to *hear* the cat meowing to remember to feed her? <g>
Betsy
to have the messy gene. Both of their rooms are always (and I mean
always. Not "usually" but "always."_) messy, and they both leave stuff
out in the kitchen and the front room, and they are both capable of
walking right over messes.**
Being "capable of walking right over messes" could be seen as a strong ability to concentrate and not be distracted by side issues. There's an upside to that.
Alternatively, highly visual thinkers might SEE needed tasks more than people with other styles. Perhaps kinesthetic learners need to *trip* over a pile of junk to be motivated to move it? Auditory learners need to *hear* the cat meowing to remember to feed her? <g>
Betsy
Heidi Crane
Me too! It took moving out to my own apartment, to realize that, on my own,
my place never got quite as bad as either the house I grew up in, or my own
bedroom. It still doesn't, but with three kids, and two of them inclined to
make messes and not clean up after themselves...along with the furry members
of the family...and a husband who can't see the waste paper basket to save
his life... well, it doesn't get *as bad*...and when it does, THAT makes me
nutz, so I do a blitz-clean just to save my sanity. L
I'm waiting to see what my kids will be, when they're in their own places. I
can only imagine.
Blessings, HeidiC
my place never got quite as bad as either the house I grew up in, or my own
bedroom. It still doesn't, but with three kids, and two of them inclined to
make messes and not clean up after themselves...along with the furry members
of the family...and a husband who can't see the waste paper basket to save
his life... well, it doesn't get *as bad*...and when it does, THAT makes me
nutz, so I do a blitz-clean just to save my sanity. L
I'm waiting to see what my kids will be, when they're in their own places. I
can only imagine.
Blessings, HeidiC
>
>As a child and teenager, I had one of those bedrooms that you couldn't walk
>through. The clothes were strewn from one end of the room to the other,
>but
>I knew what was clean and what was dirty and when I needed clean clothes, I
>brought down the dirty ones for mom to wash. But funny, my house, for the
>most part, doesn't look like my bedroom did as a kid. (well, ok, some days
>it does but not always.) So, they may be messy now, but maybe when they
>have their own house, they'll keep it reasonable neat and clean. Just
>maybe.....
>
>Angela
>game-enthusiast@...
Heidi Crane
This is GREAT! Made me laugh. I can just picture the Absent Minded
Professor, and his cluttered, crowded office or lab, while he's spent days
and days getting an experiment just right while everything else goes by the
wayside. I can also picture my kinetic learner tripping over a mess before
even recognizing that it's there. And then, in putting it away, finding odd
spaces and spots to fit it all into, in her closet and dresser(s). !! Good
one, Betsy!
Blessings, HeidiC
they are both capable of
Professor, and his cluttered, crowded office or lab, while he's spent days
and days getting an experiment just right while everything else goes by the
wayside. I can also picture my kinetic learner tripping over a mess before
even recognizing that it's there. And then, in putting it away, finding odd
spaces and spots to fit it all into, in her closet and dresser(s). !! Good
one, Betsy!
Blessings, HeidiC
they are both capable of
>walking right over messes.**
>
>Being "capable of walking right over messes" could be seen as a strong
>ability to concentrate and not be distracted by side issues. There's an
>upside to that.
>
>Alternatively, highly visual thinkers might SEE needed tasks more than
>people with other styles. Perhaps kinesthetic learners need to *trip* over
>a pile of junk to be motivated to move it? Auditory learners need to
>*hear* the cat meowing to remember to feed her? <g>
>
>Betsy
Julie W
Elizabeth Hill wrote:
I know I am distracted by the messes in the house. Somedays I can't move
on until they are delt with.
--
Julie W
http://jwoolfolk.typepad.com/theothermother/
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>Funny, but in a way true.
> Being "capable of walking right over messes" could be seen as a strong
> ability to concentrate and not be distracted by side issues. There's
> an upside to that.
>
> Alternatively, highly visual thinkers might SEE needed tasks more than
> people with other styles. Perhaps kinesthetic learners need to *trip*
> over a pile of junk to be motivated to move it? Auditory learners
> need to *hear* the cat meowing to remember to feed her? <g>
>
I know I am distracted by the messes in the house. Somedays I can't move
on until they are delt with.
--
Julie W
http://jwoolfolk.typepad.com/theothermother/
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In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:24:47 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
Me too! It took moving out to my own apartment, to realize that, on my own,
my place never got quite as bad as either the house I grew up in, or my own
bedroom.
Was that because you didn't feel ownership of your own room as a kid?
Why was it different, do you think?
Sandra
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bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
Me too! It took moving out to my own apartment, to realize that, on my own,
my place never got quite as bad as either the house I grew up in, or my own
bedroom.
Was that because you didn't feel ownership of your own room as a kid?
Why was it different, do you think?
Sandra
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Elizabeth Hill
**
I know I am distracted by the messes in the house. Somedays I can't move
on until they are delt with.**
My mother-in-law can't seem to relax if there is even one dish that needs to be washed. (Say she's finished washing all the lunch dishes, just 5 minutes ago, and one of her grown children eats dessert or has coffee, if the grown child is lax enough to just put the dish in the sink to soak, the mom (my mil), jumps up and washes it immediately. I don't want my dishes to have that kind of power to boss me around, personally! <g> I prefer a restful life.
(OK, right now I have ants in my kitchen, but I'm willing to deal with them occasionally.)
Betsy
I know I am distracted by the messes in the house. Somedays I can't move
on until they are delt with.**
My mother-in-law can't seem to relax if there is even one dish that needs to be washed. (Say she's finished washing all the lunch dishes, just 5 minutes ago, and one of her grown children eats dessert or has coffee, if the grown child is lax enough to just put the dish in the sink to soak, the mom (my mil), jumps up and washes it immediately. I don't want my dishes to have that kind of power to boss me around, personally! <g> I prefer a restful life.
(OK, right now I have ants in my kitchen, but I'm willing to deal with them occasionally.)
Betsy
Heidi Crane
I know just exactly what caused it: my mom's personality was stronger than
everyone else's in the family, and she was a messy. Therefore, whether my
dad liked it or not, or we were embarassed to have friends over or not,
(and, I'm not kidding, the house was gross. The carpet looked like the floor
of a car, and there was never any place to sit down in the front room, nor
any room in the sink for a glass to get a drink...nasssssty filthy living)
So, whether we liked it or not, it was Mom's House, (hm, ownership) and Mom
didn't want to bother with it. Because she has a stronger personality, my
natural inclination to keep tidy (in comparison) didn't emerge until I had
my own place (ownership, again) I remember scrubbing my bathroom and
thinking to myself "Hey! I LIKE having a clean house! I can only stand the
clutter so long, before I HAVE to do something about it," It was a
revelation.
So, as for ownership of my own room, nah. More like ownership of my own
self, I guess.
Blessings, HeidiC
everyone else's in the family, and she was a messy. Therefore, whether my
dad liked it or not, or we were embarassed to have friends over or not,
(and, I'm not kidding, the house was gross. The carpet looked like the floor
of a car, and there was never any place to sit down in the front room, nor
any room in the sink for a glass to get a drink...nasssssty filthy living)
So, whether we liked it or not, it was Mom's House, (hm, ownership) and Mom
didn't want to bother with it. Because she has a stronger personality, my
natural inclination to keep tidy (in comparison) didn't emerge until I had
my own place (ownership, again) I remember scrubbing my bathroom and
thinking to myself "Hey! I LIKE having a clean house! I can only stand the
clutter so long, before I HAVE to do something about it," It was a
revelation.
So, as for ownership of my own room, nah. More like ownership of my own
self, I guess.
Blessings, HeidiC
>Subject: Re:>
>In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:24:47 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
>bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
>
>Me too! It took moving out to my own apartment, to realize that, on my
>own,
>my place never got quite as bad as either the house I grew up in, or my
>own
>bedroom.
>
>
>Was that because you didn't feel ownership of your own room as a kid?
>Why was it different, do you think?
>
>Sandra
>
>
Julie W
Elizabeth Hill wrote:
Dishes mean nothing to me, they can pile up and overflow. What bugs me
are things strewn all over the place--- fabric (clothes, blankets,
pillows, and sofa covers) just gotta straighten them up. I've got books
everywhere, but neat piles. Its all very weird 'cause I'm not a real
neat freak, am a big procrastinator, and as everyone knows I do not put
my clean clothes away---just take them out of the basket.
I'm sure its some type of pathology.
I've gotten much better at not making everyone around me join in my
craziness and just straighten everything up----
--
Julie W
http://jwoolfolk.typepad.com/theothermother/
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>Ack---
> **
>
> I know I am distracted by the messes in the house. Somedays I can't move
> on until they are delt with.**
>
> My mother-in-law can't seem to relax if there is even one dish that
> needs to be washed. (Say she's finished washing all the lunch dishes,
> just 5 minutes ago, and one of her grown children eats dessert or has
> coffee, if the grown child is lax enough to just put the dish in the
> sink to soak, the mom (my mil), jumps up and washes it immediately. I
> don't want my dishes to have that kind of power to boss me around,
> personally! <g> I prefer a restful life.
>
> (OK, right now I have ants in my kitchen, but I'm willing to deal with
> them occasionally.)
>
> Betsy\
Dishes mean nothing to me, they can pile up and overflow. What bugs me
are things strewn all over the place--- fabric (clothes, blankets,
pillows, and sofa covers) just gotta straighten them up. I've got books
everywhere, but neat piles. Its all very weird 'cause I'm not a real
neat freak, am a big procrastinator, and as everyone knows I do not put
my clean clothes away---just take them out of the basket.
I'm sure its some type of pathology.
I've gotten much better at not making everyone around me join in my
craziness and just straighten everything up----
--
Julie W
http://jwoolfolk.typepad.com/theothermother/
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Elizabeth Hill
**
I remember scrubbing my bathroom and
thinking to myself "Hey! I LIKE having a clean house!**
I've finally come to the same realization. But I still don't actually feel positive about doing the cleaning.
Betsy, the conflicted <g>
I remember scrubbing my bathroom and
thinking to myself "Hey! I LIKE having a clean house!**
I've finally come to the same realization. But I still don't actually feel positive about doing the cleaning.
Betsy, the conflicted <g>
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In a message dated 6/17/2005 8:26:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
jjjwoolfolk@... writes:
What bugs me
are things strewn all over the place--- fabric (clothes, blankets,
pillows, and sofa covers) just gotta straighten them up.
If only we could all magically rearrange and trade. I'd clean EVERYBODY's
ovens, someone else could pick up my general (easy usually) clutter and mop my
floor. I'll fold laundry for HOURS if I can watch a familiar movie at the
same time. I hate to mop floors. I like to clean ovens and stovetops.
Pathology maybe, but maybe just too much to do altogether for anyone to do
it all (which answers another question around here somewhere... maybe the
pathology is the belief that anyone can do it all).
Sandra
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jjjwoolfolk@... writes:
What bugs me
are things strewn all over the place--- fabric (clothes, blankets,
pillows, and sofa covers) just gotta straighten them up.
If only we could all magically rearrange and trade. I'd clean EVERYBODY's
ovens, someone else could pick up my general (easy usually) clutter and mop my
floor. I'll fold laundry for HOURS if I can watch a familiar movie at the
same time. I hate to mop floors. I like to clean ovens and stovetops.
Pathology maybe, but maybe just too much to do altogether for anyone to do
it all (which answers another question around here somewhere... maybe the
pathology is the belief that anyone can do it all).
Sandra
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In a message dated 6/17/2005 10:28:36 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
someone else could pick up my general (easy usually) clutter
~~~
I LOVE to sort and organize (and get things out of the house).
I never throw away stray Legos. They have a bin. I carry them in my pocket
until I can get to the bin. It's pathological.
Karen
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SandraDodd@... writes:
someone else could pick up my general (easy usually) clutter
~~~
I LOVE to sort and organize (and get things out of the house).
I never throw away stray Legos. They have a bin. I carry them in my pocket
until I can get to the bin. It's pathological.
Karen
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Heidi Crane
I knew an extreme cleanie...well, I've known more than one, but this one was
nutzoid. We might be getting ready to head to town, and I'm stopping by to
pick her up, and she can't leave the house if there is a piece of hair in
the bathroom sink, or an unwashed dish anywhere. She cleans before she
leaves the house, and she's angry at her kids (was. She isn't in my life any
more) Her poor little girl, made to clean up her room, and shouted at if she
didn't get on the job...age five-ish. But her house was depressing to be in,
if only because i saw the cleanness and think "man, my house is a wreck!"
even though my house is NOT a wreck. It just isn't spit shined all the time.
That woman ended up staying with us, her and her kids, when her water pipes
froze and her husband out of town...we have cats, and our Rosie Cat got in
bed with her. Mind you, I had changed the sheets in that bedroom for the
arrival of our weekend guests. Well, Rosie insisted on sleeping with this
woman, and the next day, she insisted that the sheets had to be taken off
and cleaned, even though it would be her sleeping in that bed again that
night. Her fingers had cracks, from the bleach water she used to wipe every
surface whenever she passed by. Maybe she had a mental illness...OCD. She
was certainly germophobic. But it didn't manifest in her washing herself
over and over. It was her house that got the treatment.
Yeah, the clutter gets to me periodically and I do a Clean the House or
Freak Out kind of thing, and the house gets clean...and pretty often...and I
keep up with the Big Chunks in between freak outs. But I've never had a
floor you could eat off of (even the countertops are iffy, sometimes LOL)
and a place like that would make me crazier than what we have now.
blessings HeidiC
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nutzoid. We might be getting ready to head to town, and I'm stopping by to
pick her up, and she can't leave the house if there is a piece of hair in
the bathroom sink, or an unwashed dish anywhere. She cleans before she
leaves the house, and she's angry at her kids (was. She isn't in my life any
more) Her poor little girl, made to clean up her room, and shouted at if she
didn't get on the job...age five-ish. But her house was depressing to be in,
if only because i saw the cleanness and think "man, my house is a wreck!"
even though my house is NOT a wreck. It just isn't spit shined all the time.
That woman ended up staying with us, her and her kids, when her water pipes
froze and her husband out of town...we have cats, and our Rosie Cat got in
bed with her. Mind you, I had changed the sheets in that bedroom for the
arrival of our weekend guests. Well, Rosie insisted on sleeping with this
woman, and the next day, she insisted that the sheets had to be taken off
and cleaned, even though it would be her sleeping in that bed again that
night. Her fingers had cracks, from the bleach water she used to wipe every
surface whenever she passed by. Maybe she had a mental illness...OCD. She
was certainly germophobic. But it didn't manifest in her washing herself
over and over. It was her house that got the treatment.
Yeah, the clutter gets to me periodically and I do a Clean the House or
Freak Out kind of thing, and the house gets clean...and pretty often...and I
keep up with the Big Chunks in between freak outs. But I've never had a
floor you could eat off of (even the countertops are iffy, sometimes LOL)
and a place like that would make me crazier than what we have now.
blessings HeidiC
>My mother-in-law can't seem to relax if there is even one dish that needs*********************************************
>to be washed. (Say she's finished washing all the lunch dishes, just 5
>minutes ago, and one of her grown children eats dessert or has coffee, if
>the grown child is lax enough to just put the dish in the sink to soak, the
>mom (my mil), jumps up and washes it immediately. I don't want my dishes
>to have that kind of power to boss me around, personally! <g> I prefer a
>restful life.
>
>(OK, right now I have ants in my kitchen, but I'm willing to deal with them
>occasionally.)
>
>Betsy
>
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In a message dated 6/18/2005 5:42:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
tuckervill2@... writes:
I never throw away stray Legos. They have a bin. I carry them in my
pocket
until I can get to the bin. It's pathological.
Not pathological; sweet.
I would hate it if others were throwing away things they found of mine, like
papers with phone numbers, business cards, single earrings, hair clips, CDs
that weren't in their cases, odd pretty rocks on bathroom counters, just
because THEY didn't know what they were.
With the exception of April O'Neil's gun (which might yet show up), Kirby
has all the Ninja Turtle weapons he ever had, because I was willing to put them
in my pocket (along with the dice, marbles, "damage counters, chess pieces
and rubber bands) and redistribute them when I was near the Ninja Turtle box
(or put that stuff out in a bowl and ask the kids to sort it back out to where
it should be).
Sometimes I find a tiny plastic acorn, and that goes to the Squirrel Game,
and it goes back in the box. Sometimes I find a little plastic peg, and the
kids will know if it goes to Life or another game or Battleship or whatever,
and we go and put it in the box.
That's not pathology.
Without that kind of behavior there wouldn't be antique stores or museums.
Sandra
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tuckervill2@... writes:
I never throw away stray Legos. They have a bin. I carry them in my
until I can get to the bin. It's pathological.
Not pathological; sweet.
I would hate it if others were throwing away things they found of mine, like
papers with phone numbers, business cards, single earrings, hair clips, CDs
that weren't in their cases, odd pretty rocks on bathroom counters, just
because THEY didn't know what they were.
With the exception of April O'Neil's gun (which might yet show up), Kirby
has all the Ninja Turtle weapons he ever had, because I was willing to put them
in my pocket (along with the dice, marbles, "damage counters, chess pieces
and rubber bands) and redistribute them when I was near the Ninja Turtle box
(or put that stuff out in a bowl and ask the kids to sort it back out to where
it should be).
Sometimes I find a tiny plastic acorn, and that goes to the Squirrel Game,
and it goes back in the box. Sometimes I find a little plastic peg, and the
kids will know if it goes to Life or another game or Battleship or whatever,
and we go and put it in the box.
That's not pathology.
Without that kind of behavior there wouldn't be antique stores or museums.
Sandra
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Jordan
I have a red egg basket that was once my Easter Basket from my grandmother.
It�s quite a well traveled thing..having accompanied me to Germany as an
exchange student, up and down the east coast at the whim of the Marine
Corps, and now to Japan. Ever since I can remember, it has been the �bits
and pieces� basket: stray buttons, earrings, game pieces, etc. Anything
too big for the basket gets put back in it�s place, but the little stuff
hangs out there till someone discovers that a piece of something is missing
or the basket gets too full. My kids will often ask, �Can we check the
basket for Wendy�s arm?� (Peter Pan never loses his limbs, but Wendy just
can�t seem to keep it together!) The basket goes a long way in helping me
keep my intense need for order in check. I can enjoy PLAYING Hi-Ho-Cherry-O
instead of worrying about the pieces we�re likely to be losing.
Tami, who has been known to rip apart a vacuum cleaner bag in search of a
Barbie shoe.
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Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] RE:genetic factor/WAS: chores and
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In a message dated 6/18/2005 5:42:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
tuckervill2@... writes:
I never throw away stray Legos. They have a bin. I carry them in my
pocket
until I can get to the bin. It's pathological.
Not pathological; sweet.
I would hate it if others were throwing away things they found of mine,
like
papers with phone numbers, business cards, single earrings, hair clips, CDs
that weren't in their cases, odd pretty rocks on bathroom counters, just
because THEY didn't know what they were.
With the exception of April O'Neil's gun (which might yet show up), Kirby
has all the Ninja Turtle weapons he ever had, because I was willing to put
them
in my pocket (along with the dice, marbles, "damage counters, chess pieces
and rubber bands) and redistribute them when I was near the Ninja Turtle
box
(or put that stuff out in a bowl and ask the kids to sort it back out to
where
it should be).
Sometimes I find a tiny plastic acorn, and that goes to the Squirrel Game,
and it goes back in the box. Sometimes I find a little plastic peg, and
the
kids will know if it goes to Life or another game or Battleship or whatever,
and we go and put it in the box.
That's not pathology.
Without that kind of behavior there wouldn't be antique stores or museums.
Sandra
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It�s quite a well traveled thing..having accompanied me to Germany as an
exchange student, up and down the east coast at the whim of the Marine
Corps, and now to Japan. Ever since I can remember, it has been the �bits
and pieces� basket: stray buttons, earrings, game pieces, etc. Anything
too big for the basket gets put back in it�s place, but the little stuff
hangs out there till someone discovers that a piece of something is missing
or the basket gets too full. My kids will often ask, �Can we check the
basket for Wendy�s arm?� (Peter Pan never loses his limbs, but Wendy just
can�t seem to keep it together!) The basket goes a long way in helping me
keep my intense need for order in check. I can enjoy PLAYING Hi-Ho-Cherry-O
instead of worrying about the pieces we�re likely to be losing.
Tami, who has been known to rip apart a vacuum cleaner bag in search of a
Barbie shoe.
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
SandraDodd@...
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] RE:genetic factor/WAS: chores and
resentment
In a message dated 6/18/2005 5:42:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
tuckervill2@... writes:
I never throw away stray Legos. They have a bin. I carry them in my
until I can get to the bin. It's pathological.
Not pathological; sweet.
I would hate it if others were throwing away things they found of mine,
like
papers with phone numbers, business cards, single earrings, hair clips, CDs
that weren't in their cases, odd pretty rocks on bathroom counters, just
because THEY didn't know what they were.
With the exception of April O'Neil's gun (which might yet show up), Kirby
has all the Ninja Turtle weapons he ever had, because I was willing to put
them
in my pocket (along with the dice, marbles, "damage counters, chess pieces
and rubber bands) and redistribute them when I was near the Ninja Turtle
box
(or put that stuff out in a bowl and ask the kids to sort it back out to
where
it should be).
Sometimes I find a tiny plastic acorn, and that goes to the Squirrel Game,
and it goes back in the box. Sometimes I find a little plastic peg, and
the
kids will know if it goes to Life or another game or Battleship or whatever,
and we go and put it in the box.
That's not pathology.
Without that kind of behavior there wouldn't be antique stores or museums.
Sandra
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In a message dated 6/18/2005 11:23:18 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
That's not pathology.
Without that kind of behavior there wouldn't be antique stores or museums.
~~~
That's true. My kids think I'm crazy for picking up Legos from the
baseboards before I vacuum, though. If I hand it to them, they won't be interested
in carrying it to the bin. Unless it's a lightsaber Lego--those are very
important. Those gray barrel shaped ones, aren't.
Karen
www.badchair.net
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SandraDodd@... writes:
That's not pathology.
Without that kind of behavior there wouldn't be antique stores or museums.
~~~
That's true. My kids think I'm crazy for picking up Legos from the
baseboards before I vacuum, though. If I hand it to them, they won't be interested
in carrying it to the bin. Unless it's a lightsaber Lego--those are very
important. Those gray barrel shaped ones, aren't.
Karen
www.badchair.net
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Lisa M. Cottrell Bentley
> That's true. My kids think I'm crazy for picking up Legos from theI don't know anyone IRL that wouldn't pick up the Legos or Polly Pocket
> baseboards before I vacuum, though.
shoes or whatever before vacuuming. If nothing else, these toys cost
money and I don't want to pay for things twice just due to my own
laziness of not picking them up. This is bizarre that you are being
made to feel crazy and reminds me of a person once telling me that it
wasn't worth her time to pick up found pennies. I'll pick up any money
that I find and that is how I feel about finding little toy pieces
around the house. I also don't get bent out of shape if something is
lost, but my kids might, so I try and help them keep everything not lost.
-Lisa in AZ
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/19/2005 1:34:03 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
cottrellbentley@... writes:
-=-I don't know anyone IRL that wouldn't pick up the Legos or Polly Pocket
shoes or whatever before vacuuming. If nothing else, these toys cost
money and I don't want to pay for things twice just due to my own
laziness of not picking them up.-=-
I used to go through the vacuum cleaner bags to get tiny weapons and Lego
light sabers and stuff. It was worth it to me. I could pick up what I could
see, but what was under the couch or in a dustball in the corner didn't show.
About not picking up pennies, someone did a cost analysis of how many
seconds it takes to bend over, get it and stand back up. Keith says he thinks
you'd be making $12 an hour if you could pick up pennies constantly (and have to
stand up between times, no shovelling piles of pennies. <g>) So the pay
rate for picking up a penny is $12 an hour, but you're only getting three
seconds worth of work.
People who make better than $12 an hour should leave the pennies for poorer
people and kids who will get a thrill.
Sandra
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cottrellbentley@... writes:
-=-I don't know anyone IRL that wouldn't pick up the Legos or Polly Pocket
shoes or whatever before vacuuming. If nothing else, these toys cost
money and I don't want to pay for things twice just due to my own
laziness of not picking them up.-=-
I used to go through the vacuum cleaner bags to get tiny weapons and Lego
light sabers and stuff. It was worth it to me. I could pick up what I could
see, but what was under the couch or in a dustball in the corner didn't show.
About not picking up pennies, someone did a cost analysis of how many
seconds it takes to bend over, get it and stand back up. Keith says he thinks
you'd be making $12 an hour if you could pick up pennies constantly (and have to
stand up between times, no shovelling piles of pennies. <g>) So the pay
rate for picking up a penny is $12 an hour, but you're only getting three
seconds worth of work.
People who make better than $12 an hour should leave the pennies for poorer
people and kids who will get a thrill.
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/19/2005 2:34:23 AM Central Standard Time,
cottrellbentley@... writes:
This is bizarre that you are being
made to feel crazy and reminds me of a person once telling me that it
wasn't worth her time to pick up found pennies. I'll pick up any money
that I find and that is how I feel about finding little toy pieces
around the house. I also don't get bent out of shape if something is
lost, but my kids might, so I try and help them keep everything not lost.
~~~
Let's just put it this way:
If they were vacuuming, they'd vacuum them right up.
Karen
www.badchair.net
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cottrellbentley@... writes:
This is bizarre that you are being
made to feel crazy and reminds me of a person once telling me that it
wasn't worth her time to pick up found pennies. I'll pick up any money
that I find and that is how I feel about finding little toy pieces
around the house. I also don't get bent out of shape if something is
lost, but my kids might, so I try and help them keep everything not lost.
~~~
Let's just put it this way:
If they were vacuuming, they'd vacuum them right up.
Karen
www.badchair.net
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Jordan
Funny thing about pennies. Here on Okinawa, the bases don�t use pennies at
all. Not the PX, Burger King, commissary--- no place except maybe the post
office. The reason is that the cost for shipping and re-shipping them here
is greater than their value. So, we round up or down to the nearest nickel.
Now, I am really bad at stopping the gas pump at the whole dollar, and in
the states, I keep an ashtray full of pennies for this reason. So, since
almost everytime I pump gas, I go over by 1 or 2 cents, by the time we leave
the island, I�ll probably have gotten a tank of gas free!
Every so often, we do find a penny on the ground, and since they are so rare
here, we consider them especially lucky!
And, in Iraq, they don�t use coins at the PX or the fast food places on the
camps�they have cardboard POGS for 5, 10, and 25 cents that are good on base
anywhere in the world!
Tami, full of fun facts! (or not so fun, depending on your politics and
tolerance for war.)
thinks
you'd be making $12 an hour if you could pick up pennies constantly (and
have to
stand up between times, no shovelling piles of pennies. <g>) So the pay
rate for picking up a penny is $12 an hour, but you're only getting three
seconds worth of work.
People who make better than $12 an hour should leave the pennies for poorer
people and kids who will get a thrill.<<<<< (Sandra)
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all. Not the PX, Burger King, commissary--- no place except maybe the post
office. The reason is that the cost for shipping and re-shipping them here
is greater than their value. So, we round up or down to the nearest nickel.
Now, I am really bad at stopping the gas pump at the whole dollar, and in
the states, I keep an ashtray full of pennies for this reason. So, since
almost everytime I pump gas, I go over by 1 or 2 cents, by the time we leave
the island, I�ll probably have gotten a tank of gas free!
Every so often, we do find a penny on the ground, and since they are so rare
here, we consider them especially lucky!
And, in Iraq, they don�t use coins at the PX or the fast food places on the
camps�they have cardboard POGS for 5, 10, and 25 cents that are good on base
anywhere in the world!
Tami, full of fun facts! (or not so fun, depending on your politics and
tolerance for war.)
>>>>>About not picking up pennies, someone did a cost analysis of how manyseconds it takes to bend over, get it and stand back up. Keith says he
thinks
you'd be making $12 an hour if you could pick up pennies constantly (and
have to
stand up between times, no shovelling piles of pennies. <g>) So the pay
rate for picking up a penny is $12 an hour, but you're only getting three
seconds worth of work.
People who make better than $12 an hour should leave the pennies for poorer
people and kids who will get a thrill.<<<<< (Sandra)
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In a message dated 6/19/2005 5:07:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
atj090@... writes:
And, in Iraq, they don’t use coins at the PX or the fast food places on the
camps—they have cardboard POGS for 5, 10, and 25 cents that are good on base
anywhere in the world!
That is some really good trivia!
I forwarded it to my husband so he can read it tomorrow at work and will
print it out and put it in the bathroom. That's how cool info passes here
sometimes, when everyone's out and about or in the middle of a team game or
watching Buffy or off to dinner.
Sandra
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atj090@... writes:
And, in Iraq, they don’t use coins at the PX or the fast food places on the
camps—they have cardboard POGS for 5, 10, and 25 cents that are good on base
anywhere in the world!
That is some really good trivia!
I forwarded it to my husband so he can read it tomorrow at work and will
print it out and put it in the bathroom. That's how cool info passes here
sometimes, when everyone's out and about or in the middle of a team game or
watching Buffy or off to dinner.
Sandra
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