Technicolor Sweet potatoes
Heidi Crane
In Idaho, you can buy potato hand lotion. And ice cream, and donuts and so
forth.In Montana, huckleberry everything. Maybe not pizza, unless it were
dessert pizza :)
Blessings, HeidiC
forth.In Montana, huckleberry everything. Maybe not pizza, unless it were
dessert pizza :)
Blessings, HeidiC
>Subject: Re: Re: Technicolor sweet potatoes was popsicles
>
>
> >
> >I realize that this is now drifting pretty far from topic, but in the
> >interest of international vegetable awareness, I thought folks might like
>to
> >know that the Okinawan people practically worship sweet potatos. Ours
> >aren't orange though, they're purple, and were introduced to Okinawa 400
> >years ago. They are used in EVERYTING here, including-and I'm not
> >kidding-ice cream and donuts.
> >
>That's like green chile here in New Mexico. Green chile burgers, pizza,
>cheese, bread, ice cream, brownies, pasta, candy, hot chocolate,
>everything!
>Jenny
Neha Chitale
Hello All,
My name is Nayha & I have a 4 yo son (to be 5 in August) & recently learned about unschooling.......& find it neat that there is such a thing, as in my heart, it always felt right, but since I had never heard of it before nor knew anyone that felt similar, (& didn't know it actually had a name...), I was feeling very lonely in my thoughts. Not so anymore, especially as I discover more & more resources to read n stuff.... like John Holt's books & 'The Unprocessed child', etc
in any case, as I read, i realised i was still falling into the more traditional & prevalent ways of doing certain things with Nishay (my son) & I let up (since about 10 days now) & have been letting him decide a lot more things - like what he wants to eat (he's been binging on popsicles) & how much TV he wants to watch (PBS & his home videos). That is where i need a little help. He is not even 5 yet....is it ok to let him decide to watch all that TV? he watches from about 2pm (George Shrinks then zaboomafoo then dragon tales then clifford....sometimes all the way upto 6 pm!) THEN he wants to watch his home videos at night - last night he watched 2 movies (MVP & MVP2) until 1 am!! He has been pretty good about coming from the TV room himself & getting ready for bed without disturbing us.......but I am a bit worried.
Should I let him decide & let him watch until he is sick of TV? will he ever get sick of it? He has been learning a lot from the movies - is interested in skateboarding & experiments on his skateboard quite a bit & is always asking me to help him learn new words in sign language n stuff. He is very active too - not at all a couch potato - he'll jump up n down with the people on TV.......
I try & explain to him that i think it isnt good for him - all that TV (& popsicles - but i plan to let them just run their course & not get anymore)..... & he says ' I know, but I still want to watch'
any thoughts/advice would be appreciated!
Nayha in TN
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My name is Nayha & I have a 4 yo son (to be 5 in August) & recently learned about unschooling.......& find it neat that there is such a thing, as in my heart, it always felt right, but since I had never heard of it before nor knew anyone that felt similar, (& didn't know it actually had a name...), I was feeling very lonely in my thoughts. Not so anymore, especially as I discover more & more resources to read n stuff.... like John Holt's books & 'The Unprocessed child', etc
in any case, as I read, i realised i was still falling into the more traditional & prevalent ways of doing certain things with Nishay (my son) & I let up (since about 10 days now) & have been letting him decide a lot more things - like what he wants to eat (he's been binging on popsicles) & how much TV he wants to watch (PBS & his home videos). That is where i need a little help. He is not even 5 yet....is it ok to let him decide to watch all that TV? he watches from about 2pm (George Shrinks then zaboomafoo then dragon tales then clifford....sometimes all the way upto 6 pm!) THEN he wants to watch his home videos at night - last night he watched 2 movies (MVP & MVP2) until 1 am!! He has been pretty good about coming from the TV room himself & getting ready for bed without disturbing us.......but I am a bit worried.
Should I let him decide & let him watch until he is sick of TV? will he ever get sick of it? He has been learning a lot from the movies - is interested in skateboarding & experiments on his skateboard quite a bit & is always asking me to help him learn new words in sign language n stuff. He is very active too - not at all a couch potato - he'll jump up n down with the people on TV.......
I try & explain to him that i think it isnt good for him - all that TV (& popsicles - but i plan to let them just run their course & not get anymore)..... & he says ' I know, but I still want to watch'
any thoughts/advice would be appreciated!
Nayha in TN
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In a message dated 6/2/2005 12:23:24 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
nishaysmom@... writes:
I try & explain to him that i think it isnt good for him - all that TV (&
popsicles - but i plan to let them just run their course & not get
anymore)..... & he says ' I know, but I still want to watch'
Everything in your post seemed fine up to that point.
WHY did you blow it by trying to explain that you don't think it's good for
him?
You set it up so that he could appease you (which shouldn't be his job) or
blow you off (and it shouldn't be about you).
If you spent that energy and worry on finding ways that it IS good for him,
everyone would be further along toward trust and hapiness. And it's not too
late. It's too late to do it sooner, but it's not too late to keep yourself
from continuing to damage what could be really sweet and good.
And popsicles... What's in there that's going to shorten his life?
Unhappiness WILL undoubtedly shorten a person's life. Water with fruit juice or
even just water with sugar and artificial flavors.... that won't kill anybody
whatsoever. It won't even kill a relationship. Deprivation, on the other
hand, and controls, have killed many a happy relationship.
_http://sandradodd.com/tv_ (http://sandradodd.com/tv)
_http://sandradodd.com/food_ (http://sandradodd.com/food)
Sandra
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nishaysmom@... writes:
I try & explain to him that i think it isnt good for him - all that TV (&
popsicles - but i plan to let them just run their course & not get
anymore)..... & he says ' I know, but I still want to watch'
Everything in your post seemed fine up to that point.
WHY did you blow it by trying to explain that you don't think it's good for
him?
You set it up so that he could appease you (which shouldn't be his job) or
blow you off (and it shouldn't be about you).
If you spent that energy and worry on finding ways that it IS good for him,
everyone would be further along toward trust and hapiness. And it's not too
late. It's too late to do it sooner, but it's not too late to keep yourself
from continuing to damage what could be really sweet and good.
And popsicles... What's in there that's going to shorten his life?
Unhappiness WILL undoubtedly shorten a person's life. Water with fruit juice or
even just water with sugar and artificial flavors.... that won't kill anybody
whatsoever. It won't even kill a relationship. Deprivation, on the other
hand, and controls, have killed many a happy relationship.
_http://sandradodd.com/tv_ (http://sandradodd.com/tv)
_http://sandradodd.com/food_ (http://sandradodd.com/food)
Sandra
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soggyboysmom
--- In [email protected], Neha Chitale
<nishaysmom@y...> wrote:
& not get anymore)..... & he says ' I know, but I still want to
watch'
fructose corn syrup, cost money, melty sticky messes) but he can't
watch all the TV he wants (no calories going in, just out
apparently, no messes in general, cost is a few pennies of
electricity - except for cable and purchased movies - and it comes
right to the house, no shopping trips needed)? Why is it that you
trust he will balance out with one but not the other?
Sit and watch with him. Talk about what he likes about various
programs. Bring interesting things and opportunities into his world -
for him to look into or not. If TV has been regulated (as it
appears) he's going to grab all he can before it gets taken away (as
it is seeming to him that it will from your comments). Every time
you make comments about how bad it is, how it's not good for him,
etc, re-start the timer of when he'll reach balance with it.
<nishaysmom@y...> wrote:
>that TV (& popsicles - but i plan to let them just run their course
>
> I try & explain to him that i think it isnt good for him - all
& not get anymore)..... & he says ' I know, but I still want to
watch'
>Hmm he can eat all the popsicles he wants (sugar, coloring, high
> any thoughts/advice would be appreciated!
>
> Nayha in TN
>
fructose corn syrup, cost money, melty sticky messes) but he can't
watch all the TV he wants (no calories going in, just out
apparently, no messes in general, cost is a few pennies of
electricity - except for cable and purchased movies - and it comes
right to the house, no shopping trips needed)? Why is it that you
trust he will balance out with one but not the other?
Sit and watch with him. Talk about what he likes about various
programs. Bring interesting things and opportunities into his world -
for him to look into or not. If TV has been regulated (as it
appears) he's going to grab all he can before it gets taken away (as
it is seeming to him that it will from your comments). Every time
you make comments about how bad it is, how it's not good for him,
etc, re-start the timer of when he'll reach balance with it.
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/2/2005 2:49:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
debra.rossing@... writes:
Hmm he can eat all the popsicles he wants (sugar, coloring, high
fructose corn syrup, cost money, melty sticky messes) but he can't
watch all the TV he wants (no calories going in, just out
apparently, no messes in general, cost is a few pennies of
electricity - except for cable and purchased movies - and it comes
right to the house, no shopping trips needed)? Why is it that you
trust he will balance out with one but not the other?
He can only eat all the popsicles he wants until this batch is gone and then
the supply dries up. (A sure way to make sure the next time he sees
popsicles he will eat them voraciously, assuming they won't be there forever.)
I don't think there was trust that either would balance out, yet.
It's impossible to trust that a bicycle will balance, when one first sees a
bicycle. Their contact with the ground is teensy, and narrow. They
shouldn't balance. And just left standing there idle with people staring at them
saying "that won't balance," they sure enough don't. They fall right over. But
if you get on one and RIDE it, and it's in motion, and you're to the point
where you don't even have to think about how you're keeping it in motion and
balanced, then you have real balance.
Will people ride bicycles all the time? Will they do nothing but ride
bicycles the rest of their lives? Given the opportunity, will they ride bicycles
24 hours a day? Will they ever stop riding bicycles?
Sandra
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debra.rossing@... writes:
Hmm he can eat all the popsicles he wants (sugar, coloring, high
fructose corn syrup, cost money, melty sticky messes) but he can't
watch all the TV he wants (no calories going in, just out
apparently, no messes in general, cost is a few pennies of
electricity - except for cable and purchased movies - and it comes
right to the house, no shopping trips needed)? Why is it that you
trust he will balance out with one but not the other?
He can only eat all the popsicles he wants until this batch is gone and then
the supply dries up. (A sure way to make sure the next time he sees
popsicles he will eat them voraciously, assuming they won't be there forever.)
I don't think there was trust that either would balance out, yet.
It's impossible to trust that a bicycle will balance, when one first sees a
bicycle. Their contact with the ground is teensy, and narrow. They
shouldn't balance. And just left standing there idle with people staring at them
saying "that won't balance," they sure enough don't. They fall right over. But
if you get on one and RIDE it, and it's in motion, and you're to the point
where you don't even have to think about how you're keeping it in motion and
balanced, then you have real balance.
Will people ride bicycles all the time? Will they do nothing but ride
bicycles the rest of their lives? Given the opportunity, will they ride bicycles
24 hours a day? Will they ever stop riding bicycles?
Sandra
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beanmommy2
--- In [email protected],In Neha Chitale
help ...
My girls (ages four and two) were watching Barney this afternoon and
my four year old said, "I want to watch that one again!"
I said {meaning it; not trying to trick them}, "Sure, we can watch
it again ... or, we can all go the kitchen table and get out the
paints."
They both leaped off the couch and yelled, "Yay! Paints!"
We don't have any "TV rules" or limits but there are a lot of
options around here other than TV.
Jenny
> <nishaysmom@y...> wrote:course
> > I try & explain to him that i think it isnt good for him - all
> that TV (& popsicles - but i plan to let them just run their
> & not get anymore)..... & he says ' I know, but I still want toWell I am very new and a "young parent" myself, but maybe this will
> watch'
> >
> > any thoughts/advice would be appreciated!
> >
> > Nayha in TN
help ...
My girls (ages four and two) were watching Barney this afternoon and
my four year old said, "I want to watch that one again!"
I said {meaning it; not trying to trick them}, "Sure, we can watch
it again ... or, we can all go the kitchen table and get out the
paints."
They both leaped off the couch and yelled, "Yay! Paints!"
We don't have any "TV rules" or limits but there are a lot of
options around here other than TV.
Jenny
bunsofaluminum
Hi Nayha
What if he never got sick of TV? What if it turned out to be
something that he wants to do every day? The point isn't "will he get
sick of it," but "will he choose to other things for many hours of
his life, when he has absorbed a lot of TV?" or "will he choose lots
of activities in addition to the TV?" and the answer to THAT question
is "yes." My boy is 12, and we have a 10 year old girl, who have been
unschooled for about three years. They do choose "screen time" a lot.
TV, computer games, Nintendo 64, Gameboy, videos. When we removed the
parental controls, I worried that they'd never choose anything
besides TV. But I was wrong, even though TV is big around here. Right
now, they're following plot lines in several different shows. These
story lines feed their imaginations, so that characters from
different shows pop up in their play time with friends, etc.
Anyway, I was wrong about them "never choosing anything besides
screen time." They do many things besides watching TV, but it is a
big part of their lives.
The thing is, they're selective. When a new show is advertized, they
check it out for a few episodes, and choose which ones they like.
They can tell me why they like what they like, and why they reject
other shows. They know their own tastes, they know what they're
looking for, and what they think is lame, they don't watch. They've
learned quite a bit, aside from the little bits of info that come
through all the time. You know, the physics that one kid in a show
will quote, or the historical references in another. Even if there
was never an "educational" moment in any of their shows, I can see
that they're learning their own likes and dislikes, how to
discriminate, what qualities to look for, what makes a story good or
what makes it boring...etc.
And watching with them has turned out to be pretty cool. when I sat
down with my kids and attended to what they were watching, I found
myself laughing (rolling with laughter) at some of it, and pleasantly
chuckling at least once in every episode. (I'm talking about Cartoon
Network, Nickelodeon, and Disney, here...their favorite channels) And
they'll watch my show(s) with me: Crossing Jordan and Monk, and What
Not to Wear. My 17 year old girl, from watching "That's So Raven" has
figured out how to dress, to emphasize the "strengths" of her body
type, and de-emphasize the weaknesses (She is bult just like Raven.
Lots of curves. Little bit extra on the thigh region. Not a skinny-
minny).
anyway. Relax. Sit with him and watch, and eat popsicles. As someone
else has suggested, having popsicles around all the time, as many as
he wants, will "ease his mind" about popsicles. Or any other thing.
If he knows there'll be more, he won't feel like he has to gobble
them up before they're gone. Same with the TV. When we first got
hooked up (just last November) we were at it constantly. Now that
we've learned "this episode will be on again, pretty soon"...we turn
it off, or it's on just in the background while we visit or play
cards or cook dinner.
And, btw, Letting kids have their own choice also means making lots
of choices available. there's nothing wrong with saying "would you
like a cheese samwich and some apple slices for lunch?" you know,
making lots of things available, including the popsicles.
blessings, HeidiC (who has been where you are. And who knows that
"relax" is the best advice going!)
thing, as in my heart, it always felt right, but since I had never
heard of it before nor knew anyone that felt similar, (& didn't know
it actually had a name...), I was feeling very lonely in my thoughts.
Not so anymore, especially as I discover more & more resources to
read n stuff.... like John Holt's books & 'The Unprocessed child', etc
(my son) & I let up (since about 10 days now) & have been letting
him decide a lot more things - like what he wants to eat (he's been
binging on popsicles) & how much TV he wants to watch (PBS & his home
videos). That is where i need a little help. He is not even 5
yet....is it ok to let him decide to watch all that TV? he watches
from about 2pm (George Shrinks then zaboomafoo then dragon tales then
clifford....sometimes all the way upto 6 pm!) THEN he wants to watch
his home videos at night - last night he watched 2 movies (MVP &
MVP2) until 1 am!! He has been pretty good about coming from the TV
room himself & getting ready for bed without disturbing us.......but
I am a bit worried.
movies - is interested in skateboarding & experiments on his
skateboard quite a bit & is always asking me to help him learn new
words in sign language n stuff. He is very active too - not at all a
couch potato - he'll jump up n down with the people on TV.......
get anymore)..... & he says ' I know, but I still want to watch'
What if he never got sick of TV? What if it turned out to be
something that he wants to do every day? The point isn't "will he get
sick of it," but "will he choose to other things for many hours of
his life, when he has absorbed a lot of TV?" or "will he choose lots
of activities in addition to the TV?" and the answer to THAT question
is "yes." My boy is 12, and we have a 10 year old girl, who have been
unschooled for about three years. They do choose "screen time" a lot.
TV, computer games, Nintendo 64, Gameboy, videos. When we removed the
parental controls, I worried that they'd never choose anything
besides TV. But I was wrong, even though TV is big around here. Right
now, they're following plot lines in several different shows. These
story lines feed their imaginations, so that characters from
different shows pop up in their play time with friends, etc.
Anyway, I was wrong about them "never choosing anything besides
screen time." They do many things besides watching TV, but it is a
big part of their lives.
The thing is, they're selective. When a new show is advertized, they
check it out for a few episodes, and choose which ones they like.
They can tell me why they like what they like, and why they reject
other shows. They know their own tastes, they know what they're
looking for, and what they think is lame, they don't watch. They've
learned quite a bit, aside from the little bits of info that come
through all the time. You know, the physics that one kid in a show
will quote, or the historical references in another. Even if there
was never an "educational" moment in any of their shows, I can see
that they're learning their own likes and dislikes, how to
discriminate, what qualities to look for, what makes a story good or
what makes it boring...etc.
And watching with them has turned out to be pretty cool. when I sat
down with my kids and attended to what they were watching, I found
myself laughing (rolling with laughter) at some of it, and pleasantly
chuckling at least once in every episode. (I'm talking about Cartoon
Network, Nickelodeon, and Disney, here...their favorite channels) And
they'll watch my show(s) with me: Crossing Jordan and Monk, and What
Not to Wear. My 17 year old girl, from watching "That's So Raven" has
figured out how to dress, to emphasize the "strengths" of her body
type, and de-emphasize the weaknesses (She is bult just like Raven.
Lots of curves. Little bit extra on the thigh region. Not a skinny-
minny).
anyway. Relax. Sit with him and watch, and eat popsicles. As someone
else has suggested, having popsicles around all the time, as many as
he wants, will "ease his mind" about popsicles. Or any other thing.
If he knows there'll be more, he won't feel like he has to gobble
them up before they're gone. Same with the TV. When we first got
hooked up (just last November) we were at it constantly. Now that
we've learned "this episode will be on again, pretty soon"...we turn
it off, or it's on just in the background while we visit or play
cards or cook dinner.
And, btw, Letting kids have their own choice also means making lots
of choices available. there's nothing wrong with saying "would you
like a cheese samwich and some apple slices for lunch?" you know,
making lots of things available, including the popsicles.
blessings, HeidiC (who has been where you are. And who knows that
"relax" is the best advice going!)
> Hello All,learned about unschooling.......& find it neat that there is such a
>
> My name is Nayha & I have a 4 yo son (to be 5 in August) & recently
thing, as in my heart, it always felt right, but since I had never
heard of it before nor knew anyone that felt similar, (& didn't know
it actually had a name...), I was feeling very lonely in my thoughts.
Not so anymore, especially as I discover more & more resources to
read n stuff.... like John Holt's books & 'The Unprocessed child', etc
>more traditional & prevalent ways of doing certain things with Nishay
> in any case, as I read, i realised i was still falling into the
(my son) & I let up (since about 10 days now) & have been letting
him decide a lot more things - like what he wants to eat (he's been
binging on popsicles) & how much TV he wants to watch (PBS & his home
videos). That is where i need a little help. He is not even 5
yet....is it ok to let him decide to watch all that TV? he watches
from about 2pm (George Shrinks then zaboomafoo then dragon tales then
clifford....sometimes all the way upto 6 pm!) THEN he wants to watch
his home videos at night - last night he watched 2 movies (MVP &
MVP2) until 1 am!! He has been pretty good about coming from the TV
room himself & getting ready for bed without disturbing us.......but
I am a bit worried.
>will he ever get sick of it? He has been learning a lot from the
> Should I let him decide & let him watch until he is sick of TV?
movies - is interested in skateboarding & experiments on his
skateboard quite a bit & is always asking me to help him learn new
words in sign language n stuff. He is very active too - not at all a
couch potato - he'll jump up n down with the people on TV.......
>TV (& popsicles - but i plan to let them just run their course & not
> I try & explain to him that i think it isnt good for him - all that
get anymore)..... & he says ' I know, but I still want to watch'
>
> any thoughts/advice would be appreciated!
>
> Nayha in TN
>
>
>
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Thanks - you really got right to the core of my concerns/questions.....i see you've been there & i see i am there & will move on.......i can't imagine how many more of these concerns i am going to have before i can REALLY relax & just trust ........ i am on a very steep part of the learning curve!
nayha
bunsofaluminum <bunsofaluminum60@...> wrote:
Hi Nayha
What if he never got sick of TV? What if it turned out to be
something that he wants to do every day? The point isn't "will he get
sick of it," but "will he choose to other things for many hours of
his life, when he has absorbed a lot of TV?" or "will he choose lots
of activities in addition to the TV?" and the answer to THAT question
is "yes." My boy is 12, and we have a 10 year old girl, who have been
unschooled for about three years. They do choose "screen time" a lot.
TV, computer games, Nintendo 64, Gameboy, videos. When we removed the
parental controls, I worried that they'd never choose anything
besides TV. But I was wrong, even though TV is big around here. Right
now, they're following plot lines in several different shows. These
story lines feed their imaginations, so that characters from
different shows pop up in their play time with friends, etc.
Anyway, I was wrong about them "never choosing anything besides
screen time." They do many things besides watching TV, but it is a
big part of their lives.
The thing is, they're selective. When a new show is advertized, they
check it out for a few episodes, and choose which ones they like.
They can tell me why they like what they like, and why they reject
other shows. They know their own tastes, they know what they're
looking for, and what they think is lame, they don't watch. They've
learned quite a bit, aside from the little bits of info that come
through all the time. You know, the physics that one kid in a show
will quote, or the historical references in another. Even if there
was never an "educational" moment in any of their shows, I can see
that they're learning their own likes and dislikes, how to
discriminate, what qualities to look for, what makes a story good or
what makes it boring...etc.
And watching with them has turned out to be pretty cool. when I sat
down with my kids and attended to what they were watching, I found
myself laughing (rolling with laughter) at some of it, and pleasantly
chuckling at least once in every episode. (I'm talking about Cartoon
Network, Nickelodeon, and Disney, here...their favorite channels) And
they'll watch my show(s) with me: Crossing Jordan and Monk, and What
Not to Wear. My 17 year old girl, from watching "That's So Raven" has
figured out how to dress, to emphasize the "strengths" of her body
type, and de-emphasize the weaknesses (She is bult just like Raven.
Lots of curves. Little bit extra on the thigh region. Not a skinny-
minny).
anyway. Relax. Sit with him and watch, and eat popsicles. As someone
else has suggested, having popsicles around all the time, as many as
he wants, will "ease his mind" about popsicles. Or any other thing.
If he knows there'll be more, he won't feel like he has to gobble
them up before they're gone. Same with the TV. When we first got
hooked up (just last November) we were at it constantly. Now that
we've learned "this episode will be on again, pretty soon"...we turn
it off, or it's on just in the background while we visit or play
cards or cook dinner.
And, btw, Letting kids have their own choice also means making lots
of choices available. there's nothing wrong with saying "would you
like a cheese samwich and some apple slices for lunch?" you know,
making lots of things available, including the popsicles.
blessings, HeidiC (who has been where you are. And who knows that
"relax" is the best advice going!)
thing, as in my heart, it always felt right, but since I had never
heard of it before nor knew anyone that felt similar, (& didn't know
it actually had a name...), I was feeling very lonely in my thoughts.
Not so anymore, especially as I discover more & more resources to
read n stuff.... like John Holt's books & 'The Unprocessed child', etc
(my son) & I let up (since about 10 days now) & have been letting
him decide a lot more things - like what he wants to eat (he's been
binging on popsicles) & how much TV he wants to watch (PBS & his home
videos). That is where i need a little help. He is not even 5
yet....is it ok to let him decide to watch all that TV? he watches
from about 2pm (George Shrinks then zaboomafoo then dragon tales then
clifford....sometimes all the way upto 6 pm!) THEN he wants to watch
his home videos at night - last night he watched 2 movies (MVP &
MVP2) until 1 am!! He has been pretty good about coming from the TV
room himself & getting ready for bed without disturbing us.......but
I am a bit worried.
movies - is interested in skateboarding & experiments on his
skateboard quite a bit & is always asking me to help him learn new
words in sign language n stuff. He is very active too - not at all a
couch potato - he'll jump up n down with the people on TV.......
get anymore)..... & he says ' I know, but I still want to watch'
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bunsofaluminum <bunsofaluminum60@...> wrote:
Hi Nayha
What if he never got sick of TV? What if it turned out to be
something that he wants to do every day? The point isn't "will he get
sick of it," but "will he choose to other things for many hours of
his life, when he has absorbed a lot of TV?" or "will he choose lots
of activities in addition to the TV?" and the answer to THAT question
is "yes." My boy is 12, and we have a 10 year old girl, who have been
unschooled for about three years. They do choose "screen time" a lot.
TV, computer games, Nintendo 64, Gameboy, videos. When we removed the
parental controls, I worried that they'd never choose anything
besides TV. But I was wrong, even though TV is big around here. Right
now, they're following plot lines in several different shows. These
story lines feed their imaginations, so that characters from
different shows pop up in their play time with friends, etc.
Anyway, I was wrong about them "never choosing anything besides
screen time." They do many things besides watching TV, but it is a
big part of their lives.
The thing is, they're selective. When a new show is advertized, they
check it out for a few episodes, and choose which ones they like.
They can tell me why they like what they like, and why they reject
other shows. They know their own tastes, they know what they're
looking for, and what they think is lame, they don't watch. They've
learned quite a bit, aside from the little bits of info that come
through all the time. You know, the physics that one kid in a show
will quote, or the historical references in another. Even if there
was never an "educational" moment in any of their shows, I can see
that they're learning their own likes and dislikes, how to
discriminate, what qualities to look for, what makes a story good or
what makes it boring...etc.
And watching with them has turned out to be pretty cool. when I sat
down with my kids and attended to what they were watching, I found
myself laughing (rolling with laughter) at some of it, and pleasantly
chuckling at least once in every episode. (I'm talking about Cartoon
Network, Nickelodeon, and Disney, here...their favorite channels) And
they'll watch my show(s) with me: Crossing Jordan and Monk, and What
Not to Wear. My 17 year old girl, from watching "That's So Raven" has
figured out how to dress, to emphasize the "strengths" of her body
type, and de-emphasize the weaknesses (She is bult just like Raven.
Lots of curves. Little bit extra on the thigh region. Not a skinny-
minny).
anyway. Relax. Sit with him and watch, and eat popsicles. As someone
else has suggested, having popsicles around all the time, as many as
he wants, will "ease his mind" about popsicles. Or any other thing.
If he knows there'll be more, he won't feel like he has to gobble
them up before they're gone. Same with the TV. When we first got
hooked up (just last November) we were at it constantly. Now that
we've learned "this episode will be on again, pretty soon"...we turn
it off, or it's on just in the background while we visit or play
cards or cook dinner.
And, btw, Letting kids have their own choice also means making lots
of choices available. there's nothing wrong with saying "would you
like a cheese samwich and some apple slices for lunch?" you know,
making lots of things available, including the popsicles.
blessings, HeidiC (who has been where you are. And who knows that
"relax" is the best advice going!)
> Hello All,learned about unschooling.......& find it neat that there is such a
>
> My name is Nayha & I have a 4 yo son (to be 5 in August) & recently
thing, as in my heart, it always felt right, but since I had never
heard of it before nor knew anyone that felt similar, (& didn't know
it actually had a name...), I was feeling very lonely in my thoughts.
Not so anymore, especially as I discover more & more resources to
read n stuff.... like John Holt's books & 'The Unprocessed child', etc
>more traditional & prevalent ways of doing certain things with Nishay
> in any case, as I read, i realised i was still falling into the
(my son) & I let up (since about 10 days now) & have been letting
him decide a lot more things - like what he wants to eat (he's been
binging on popsicles) & how much TV he wants to watch (PBS & his home
videos). That is where i need a little help. He is not even 5
yet....is it ok to let him decide to watch all that TV? he watches
from about 2pm (George Shrinks then zaboomafoo then dragon tales then
clifford....sometimes all the way upto 6 pm!) THEN he wants to watch
his home videos at night - last night he watched 2 movies (MVP &
MVP2) until 1 am!! He has been pretty good about coming from the TV
room himself & getting ready for bed without disturbing us.......but
I am a bit worried.
>will he ever get sick of it? He has been learning a lot from the
> Should I let him decide & let him watch until he is sick of TV?
movies - is interested in skateboarding & experiments on his
skateboard quite a bit & is always asking me to help him learn new
words in sign language n stuff. He is very active too - not at all a
couch potato - he'll jump up n down with the people on TV.......
>TV (& popsicles - but i plan to let them just run their course & not
> I try & explain to him that i think it isnt good for him - all that
get anymore)..... & he says ' I know, but I still want to watch'
>"List Posting Policies" are provided in the files area of this group.
> any thoughts/advice would be appreciated!
>
> Nayha in TN
>
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In a message dated 6/2/2005 5:42:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
beanmommy2@... writes:
I said {meaning it; not trying to trick them}, "Sure, we can watch
it again ... or, we can all go the kitchen table and get out the
paints."
Not trying to trick you, but is there no way for them to have painted AND
watched Barney? Did it have to be a one or the other? <g>
Sandra
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beanmommy2@... writes:
I said {meaning it; not trying to trick them}, "Sure, we can watch
it again ... or, we can all go the kitchen table and get out the
paints."
Not trying to trick you, but is there no way for them to have painted AND
watched Barney? Did it have to be a one or the other? <g>
Sandra
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Schuyler Waynforth
I think it is really hard to let go of all of the boundaries that
you've set. I think it is hard to abandon everything you've invested
in for 5 years at the suggestion of some relative strangers on a few
internet sites and a few yahoo chat lists.
Your son will probably never get sick of television. If you want him
to get sick of television aversion therapy ala A Clockwork Orange is
probably a more effective approach than letting him watch it and enjoy
it and relish it. And if you go so far as to sit with him and enjoy it
with him and to stay up until 1 am with him watching his videos and
talking about what he is enjoying and getting up and dancing with him
it will never get him to the point of being sick of television. So if
your goal is to get him sick of television, this isn't the route. If
however, you want him to see television as something that is a part of
life and as a resource for ideas and information and for zoning out
and something that he can enjoy with other people and something to
dance to and to explore and to leave when other things are going on,
then letting him watch whenever he wants is a good choice. Joining in
with him is a good choice as well. Maybe if you follow his lead you'll
be able to see what he likes so much about television.
When Simon was 5 and we let go of any controls we had on his
television watching I was highly skeptical that this was an experiment
that would lead him away from television. I was right. It didn't
lead him away from television. He really enjoys television. What it
did lead to, after many conversations between David (dh) and myself,
was an understanding that television is good, that television is
entertaining. Yesterday we were watching an old Haley Mills movie
called "The Trouble with Angels" which is all about how Catholic
boarding schools are good at gently taking young troublesome girls and
turning them into morally responsible adults (and even nuns). It was
on in the morning and I started to notice that all of the ads were
either about going back to school to get trained to get back to work
or were for things like those stair lift chairs typically for elderly
folk and the bath lifts for getting in and out of the bath. I pointed
it out and we talked about why those commercials were on then instead
of being on more in the evening. It wasn't a long conversation, and
at some point I was the only one watching the movie, Simon (8) started
playing a gamecube game and Linnaea (5) and her dad went out so she
could ride her bike (and she made really great skid marks on the
concrete and I went out after she came in so she could show me how
long they were and how even the two of us together couldn't get our
legs wide enough to span their length). At some point later they both
came back and Linnaea and I had conversations about how beautiful the
dresses were and how much she'd like it if I could make some dresses
in this very early 60's style, so I'll have to get patterns to do that
when we are in the U.S. as I can't seem to find good fabric stores in
the UK (maybe my mom has some of the 70's ones still from my
childhoodI'll have to remember to ask). And then the movie ended and
we had lunch and we went out to meet up with friends.
My point is that letting go of your control over his television
watching isn't going to make him let go of television. And, I guess,
that the trick isn't just to let go of television limits, it's to try
and enjoy the whole thing about television with him.
Schuyler
http://waynforth.blogspot.com/
--- In [email protected], Neha Chitale
<nishaysmom@y...> wrote:
son) & I let up (since about 10 days now) & have been letting him
decide a lot more things - like what he wants to eat (he's been
binging on popsicles) & how much TV he wants to watch (PBS & his home
videos). That is where i need a little help. He is not even 5
yet....is it ok to let him decide to watch all that TV? he watches
from about 2pm (George Shrinks then zaboomafoo then dragon tales then
clifford....sometimes all the way upto 6 pm!) THEN he wants to watch
his home videos at night - last night he watched 2 movies (MVP & MVP2)
until 1 am!! He has been pretty good about coming from the TV room
himself & getting ready for bed without disturbing us.......but I am a
bit worried.
is interested in skateboarding & experiments on his skateboard quite a
bit & is always asking me to help him learn new words in sign language
n stuff. He is very active too - not at all a couch potato - he'll
jump up n down with the people on TV.......
you've set. I think it is hard to abandon everything you've invested
in for 5 years at the suggestion of some relative strangers on a few
internet sites and a few yahoo chat lists.
Your son will probably never get sick of television. If you want him
to get sick of television aversion therapy ala A Clockwork Orange is
probably a more effective approach than letting him watch it and enjoy
it and relish it. And if you go so far as to sit with him and enjoy it
with him and to stay up until 1 am with him watching his videos and
talking about what he is enjoying and getting up and dancing with him
it will never get him to the point of being sick of television. So if
your goal is to get him sick of television, this isn't the route. If
however, you want him to see television as something that is a part of
life and as a resource for ideas and information and for zoning out
and something that he can enjoy with other people and something to
dance to and to explore and to leave when other things are going on,
then letting him watch whenever he wants is a good choice. Joining in
with him is a good choice as well. Maybe if you follow his lead you'll
be able to see what he likes so much about television.
When Simon was 5 and we let go of any controls we had on his
television watching I was highly skeptical that this was an experiment
that would lead him away from television. I was right. It didn't
lead him away from television. He really enjoys television. What it
did lead to, after many conversations between David (dh) and myself,
was an understanding that television is good, that television is
entertaining. Yesterday we were watching an old Haley Mills movie
called "The Trouble with Angels" which is all about how Catholic
boarding schools are good at gently taking young troublesome girls and
turning them into morally responsible adults (and even nuns). It was
on in the morning and I started to notice that all of the ads were
either about going back to school to get trained to get back to work
or were for things like those stair lift chairs typically for elderly
folk and the bath lifts for getting in and out of the bath. I pointed
it out and we talked about why those commercials were on then instead
of being on more in the evening. It wasn't a long conversation, and
at some point I was the only one watching the movie, Simon (8) started
playing a gamecube game and Linnaea (5) and her dad went out so she
could ride her bike (and she made really great skid marks on the
concrete and I went out after she came in so she could show me how
long they were and how even the two of us together couldn't get our
legs wide enough to span their length). At some point later they both
came back and Linnaea and I had conversations about how beautiful the
dresses were and how much she'd like it if I could make some dresses
in this very early 60's style, so I'll have to get patterns to do that
when we are in the U.S. as I can't seem to find good fabric stores in
the UK (maybe my mom has some of the 70's ones still from my
childhoodI'll have to remember to ask). And then the movie ended and
we had lunch and we went out to meet up with friends.
My point is that letting go of your control over his television
watching isn't going to make him let go of television. And, I guess,
that the trick isn't just to let go of television limits, it's to try
and enjoy the whole thing about television with him.
Schuyler
http://waynforth.blogspot.com/
--- In [email protected], Neha Chitale
<nishaysmom@y...> wrote:
>traditional & prevalent ways of doing certain things with Nishay (my
>
> <snip>
>
> in any case, as I read, i realised i was still falling into the more
son) & I let up (since about 10 days now) & have been letting him
decide a lot more things - like what he wants to eat (he's been
binging on popsicles) & how much TV he wants to watch (PBS & his home
videos). That is where i need a little help. He is not even 5
yet....is it ok to let him decide to watch all that TV? he watches
from about 2pm (George Shrinks then zaboomafoo then dragon tales then
clifford....sometimes all the way upto 6 pm!) THEN he wants to watch
his home videos at night - last night he watched 2 movies (MVP & MVP2)
until 1 am!! He has been pretty good about coming from the TV room
himself & getting ready for bed without disturbing us.......but I am a
bit worried.
>he ever get sick of it? He has been learning a lot from the movies -
> Should I let him decide & let him watch until he is sick of TV? will
is interested in skateboarding & experiments on his skateboard quite a
bit & is always asking me to help him learn new words in sign language
n stuff. He is very active too - not at all a couch potato - he'll
jump up n down with the people on TV.......
>
> Nayha in TN
>
>
>
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--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
could share Wise Thoughts here and impress others, sigh ...
Actually, because of the logistics of our house and TV, table, carpet,
etc, painting while watching TV wouldn't work too well. (Although not
impossible) But I think I do see your point. Thanks.
BTW, my thoughts on TV and kids has changed radically just in the last
several months, mostly due to a page on your website. I used to be a
big "Plug-In Drug" fan and had this weird fear (because I'd heard this
a lot) that even a little TV would hamper my kids' creativity and make
them unable to entertain themselves. Now I'm wondering why people say
that. Now that I let my kids watch freely, I do not find that to be
true at all.
Jenny
> Not trying to trick you, but is there no way for them to havepainted AND
> watched Barney? Did it have to be a one or the other? <g>D'oh! and here I was, thinking I had finally reached the point where I
>
> Sandra
could share Wise Thoughts here and impress others, sigh ...
Actually, because of the logistics of our house and TV, table, carpet,
etc, painting while watching TV wouldn't work too well. (Although not
impossible) But I think I do see your point. Thanks.
BTW, my thoughts on TV and kids has changed radically just in the last
several months, mostly due to a page on your website. I used to be a
big "Plug-In Drug" fan and had this weird fear (because I'd heard this
a lot) that even a little TV would hamper my kids' creativity and make
them unable to entertain themselves. Now I'm wondering why people say
that. Now that I let my kids watch freely, I do not find that to be
true at all.
Jenny
beanmommy2
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
could share Wise Thoughts here and impress others, sigh ...
Actually, because of the logistics of our house and TV, table, carpet,
etc, painting while watching TV wouldn't work too well. (Although not
impossible) But I think I do see your point. Thanks.
BTW, my thoughts on TV and kids has changed radically just in the last
several months, mostly due to a page on your website. I used to be a
big "Plug-In Drug" fan and had this weird fear (because I'd heard this
a lot) that even a little TV would hamper my kids' creativity and make
them unable to entertain themselves. Now I'm wondering why people say
that. Now that I let my kids watch freely, I do not find that to be
true at all.
Jenny
> Not trying to trick you, but is there no way for them to havepainted AND
> watched Barney? Did it have to be a one or the other? <g>D'oh! and here I was, thinking I had finally reached the point where I
>
> Sandra
could share Wise Thoughts here and impress others, sigh ...
Actually, because of the logistics of our house and TV, table, carpet,
etc, painting while watching TV wouldn't work too well. (Although not
impossible) But I think I do see your point. Thanks.
BTW, my thoughts on TV and kids has changed radically just in the last
several months, mostly due to a page on your website. I used to be a
big "Plug-In Drug" fan and had this weird fear (because I'd heard this
a lot) that even a little TV would hamper my kids' creativity and make
them unable to entertain themselves. Now I'm wondering why people say
that. Now that I let my kids watch freely, I do not find that to be
true at all.
Jenny
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/2005 5:25:11 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
s.waynforth@... writes:
At some point later they both
came back and Linnaea and I had conversations about how beautiful the
dresses were and how much she'd like it if I could make some dresses
in this very early 60's style, so I'll have to get patterns to do that
when we are in the U.S. as I can't seem to find good fabric stores in
the UK (maybe my mom has some of the 70's ones still from my
childhood—I'll have to remember to ask
================
I thought it was weird that there weren't fabric stores there either. I
asked some older women in Grimsby one day and they looked at each other and
muttered some conferring this'n'that and said there used to be but younger women
don't sew much. I found a shop with buttons and trim, but not much fabric at
all. Maybe try mailorder.
As to the patterns, I bought pattern for wraparound pants by looking with
google. Some people sell on e-bay, but others have patterns listed on a site
designed just for that.
Maybe (possibly) thrift stores might have older girls' dresses. Maybe.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
s.waynforth@... writes:
At some point later they both
came back and Linnaea and I had conversations about how beautiful the
dresses were and how much she'd like it if I could make some dresses
in this very early 60's style, so I'll have to get patterns to do that
when we are in the U.S. as I can't seem to find good fabric stores in
the UK (maybe my mom has some of the 70's ones still from my
childhood—I'll have to remember to ask
================
I thought it was weird that there weren't fabric stores there either. I
asked some older women in Grimsby one day and they looked at each other and
muttered some conferring this'n'that and said there used to be but younger women
don't sew much. I found a shop with buttons and trim, but not much fabric at
all. Maybe try mailorder.
As to the patterns, I bought pattern for wraparound pants by looking with
google. Some people sell on e-bay, but others have patterns listed on a site
designed just for that.
Maybe (possibly) thrift stores might have older girls' dresses. Maybe.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/2005 5:25:11 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
s.waynforth@... writes:
I think it is really hard to let go of all of the boundaries that
you've set. I think it is hard to abandon everything you've invested
in for 5 years at the suggestion of some relative strangers on a few
internet sites and a few yahoo chat lists.
====================
Yes, and yet people will create boundaries and invest years of stictures and
structures on the advice of even MORE distant strangers who wrote books and
maybe never even had kids. <g>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
s.waynforth@... writes:
I think it is really hard to let go of all of the boundaries that
you've set. I think it is hard to abandon everything you've invested
in for 5 years at the suggestion of some relative strangers on a few
internet sites and a few yahoo chat lists.
====================
Yes, and yet people will create boundaries and invest years of stictures and
structures on the advice of even MORE distant strangers who wrote books and
maybe never even had kids. <g>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@...
Yes, and yet people will create boundaries and invest years of
stictures and
structures on the advice of even MORE distant strangers who wrote books
and
maybe never even had kids. <g>
-=-=-=-
Yeah---like His Holiness, John Holt? And he's even dead.
Or resurrected, maybe.
<bwg>
~Kelly
From: SandraDodd@...
Yes, and yet people will create boundaries and invest years of
stictures and
structures on the advice of even MORE distant strangers who wrote books
and
maybe never even had kids. <g>
-=-=-=-
Yeah---like His Holiness, John Holt? And he's even dead.
Or resurrected, maybe.
<bwg>
~Kelly
Schuyler Waynforth
We're going to be in the U.S. in 3 weeks and as my mom's seamstress
ability kicks mine down and dances on top of it, but not in a
competitive mean way, if I go out and get patterns and fabric I might
just get dresses coming together at the same time that actually have a
bit of symmetry.
But, e-bay is a good thought and I have looked into mail-order and I
have a couple of great 70's knitting books that have dress patterns
that Linnaea really wants me to make and I know where to get yarn.
Schuyler
http://waynforth.blogspot.com/
ability kicks mine down and dances on top of it, but not in a
competitive mean way, if I go out and get patterns and fabric I might
just get dresses coming together at the same time that actually have a
bit of symmetry.
But, e-bay is a good thought and I have looked into mail-order and I
have a couple of great 70's knitting books that have dress patterns
that Linnaea really wants me to make and I know where to get yarn.
Schuyler
http://waynforth.blogspot.com/
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/3/2005 5:25:11 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> s.waynforth@b... writes:
>
> At some point later they both
> came back and Linnaea and I had conversations about how beautiful the
> dresses were and how much she'd like it if I could make some dresses
> in this very early 60's style, so I'll have to get patterns to do that
> when we are in the U.S. as I can't seem to find good fabric stores in
> the UK (maybe my mom has some of the 70's ones still from my
> childhoodâ"I'll have to remember to ask
>
>
> ================
>
> I thought it was weird that there weren't fabric stores there
either. I
> asked some older women in Grimsby one day and they looked at each
other and
> muttered some conferring this'n'that and said there used to be but
younger women
> don't sew much. I found a shop with buttons and trim, but not much
fabric at
> all. Maybe try mailorder.
>
> As to the patterns, I bought pattern for wraparound pants by
looking with
> google. Some people sell on e-bay, but others have patterns listed
on a site
> designed just for that.
>
> Maybe (possibly) thrift stores might have older girls' dresses. Maybe.
>
> Sandra
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/2005 11:36:54 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
Yes, and yet people will create boundaries and invest years of
stictures and
structures on the advice of even MORE distant strangers who wrote books
and
maybe never even had kids. <g>
-=-=-=-
Yeah---like His Holiness, John Holt? And he's even dead.
=========
Yeah, I thought about him.
But it's one thing to do something (including refrain from doing) because
someone said to, and another to find sources of ideas that you then must try on
your own and use your own thought and judgment to see whether they seem
right.
Most people don't want to take that risk, I think.
Somewhere back in the odd things about homeschooling (way back like
yesterday, but in the flood of e-mail that comes through here, I'd never find it)
talked about someone having said if we do something to our kids and it fails
it's our fault. If they go to school, it's not our fault.
That's almost true, but becomes less and less true the more people who
homeschool.
If a parent has no choice or too much fear to buck the mainstream, then she
can blame failures on that. "Everyone put their kids in school, though, we
had no choice" or "I got the vaccinations because I didn't want to learn enough
to defend the decision not to; I was afraid not to."
But...
If we show anyone (friend, neighbor, relative) that it's possible to thrive
outside of school, then that means they DID have a choice. And so soon (or
already, now, in many cases) it WILL be their fault if their kids were
screwed up by strangers, because they made a decision to leave them in school
instead of choosing an option they fully knew they had.
And that is the downside to choices. It makes us responsible for bad ones.
Sandra
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
Yes, and yet people will create boundaries and invest years of
stictures and
structures on the advice of even MORE distant strangers who wrote books
and
maybe never even had kids. <g>
-=-=-=-
Yeah---like His Holiness, John Holt? And he's even dead.
=========
Yeah, I thought about him.
But it's one thing to do something (including refrain from doing) because
someone said to, and another to find sources of ideas that you then must try on
your own and use your own thought and judgment to see whether they seem
right.
Most people don't want to take that risk, I think.
Somewhere back in the odd things about homeschooling (way back like
yesterday, but in the flood of e-mail that comes through here, I'd never find it)
talked about someone having said if we do something to our kids and it fails
it's our fault. If they go to school, it's not our fault.
That's almost true, but becomes less and less true the more people who
homeschool.
If a parent has no choice or too much fear to buck the mainstream, then she
can blame failures on that. "Everyone put their kids in school, though, we
had no choice" or "I got the vaccinations because I didn't want to learn enough
to defend the decision not to; I was afraid not to."
But...
If we show anyone (friend, neighbor, relative) that it's possible to thrive
outside of school, then that means they DID have a choice. And so soon (or
already, now, in many cases) it WILL be their fault if their kids were
screwed up by strangers, because they made a decision to leave them in school
instead of choosing an option they fully knew they had.
And that is the downside to choices. It makes us responsible for bad ones.
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/2005 11:34:30 AM Central Standard Time,
beanmommy2@... writes:
Actually, because of the logistics of our house and TV, table, carpet,
etc, painting while watching TV wouldn't work too well. (Although not
impossible) But I think I do see your point. Thanks.
~~~
Vinyl tablecloths cost about $2.44 at Wal-Mart and you can put one under a
kid size table in the living room in front of the TV. I did that for years
until I didn't have to do it anymore. (Will's neat, now, but he still does art
in front of the TV.) They're also good under high chairs.
Karen
www.badchair.net
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beanmommy2@... writes:
Actually, because of the logistics of our house and TV, table, carpet,
etc, painting while watching TV wouldn't work too well. (Although not
impossible) But I think I do see your point. Thanks.
~~~
Vinyl tablecloths cost about $2.44 at Wal-Mart and you can put one under a
kid size table in the living room in front of the TV. I did that for years
until I didn't have to do it anymore. (Will's neat, now, but he still does art
in front of the TV.) They're also good under high chairs.
Karen
www.badchair.net
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Pam Sorooshian
On Jun 3, 2005, at 7:42 AM, beanmommy2 wrote:
I'd gotten the idea from reading parenting books, that letting kids
color in coloring books would stifle their creativity.
Guess what - my 14 and 17 year old EXTREMELY creative daughters still
like coloring books. They sit and watch tv and color (oooh TWO evils at
a time <g>) - they love the costume coloring books from Dover,
especially, and the design ones. Oh - and all those little stained
glass coloring books - they love THOSE. Looking up - I see there are
some of those up on our window - horse ones - so those are Rosie's.
They just asked the other day to go to the store near us that has a LOT
of Dover coloring books - they're out. They use Prismacolor pencils, by
the way.
Rosie also likes paint-by-number kits. She just bought a really big,
complicated one, for herself a week or two ago and has been painting on
it regularly.
-pam
> I used to be aLOL - I used to be so afraid of ------ guess what? COLORING BOOKS!
> big "Plug-In Drug" fan and had this weird fear (because I'd heard this
> a lot) that even a little TV would hamper my kids' creativity and make
> them unable to entertain themselves. Now I'm wondering why people say
> that. Now that I let my kids watch freely, I do not find that to be
> true at all.
I'd gotten the idea from reading parenting books, that letting kids
color in coloring books would stifle their creativity.
Guess what - my 14 and 17 year old EXTREMELY creative daughters still
like coloring books. They sit and watch tv and color (oooh TWO evils at
a time <g>) - they love the costume coloring books from Dover,
especially, and the design ones. Oh - and all those little stained
glass coloring books - they love THOSE. Looking up - I see there are
some of those up on our window - horse ones - so those are Rosie's.
They just asked the other day to go to the store near us that has a LOT
of Dover coloring books - they're out. They use Prismacolor pencils, by
the way.
Rosie also likes paint-by-number kits. She just bought a really big,
complicated one, for herself a week or two ago and has been painting on
it regularly.
-pam
soggyboysmom
--- In [email protected], Pam Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@e...> wrote:
dozen of the ones I like best hanging on the windows in my office
right now (it's nice being able to decorate my workspace at will but
they're starting to fade a bit from the sunlight). He's
the "colorer" - DS is fairly indifferent to coloring (I've had large
collections of his barely touched or totally blank worksheets from
Bible class over the years - they eventually just get tossed).
However, give him a black pen or a fine point marker and he'll draw
you detailed diagrams and houses and his latest is making mazes for
me to solve - complete with cross hatched sections where there's
lava or lasers or whatever that I can't go through - then he hands
me the pen and I am to make mazes for him to solve (yes, we have
some books of maze type puzzles but he prefers to hand draw them
right now).
<pamsoroosh@e...> wrote:
>I bought a few of those for my *DH* for Christmas and have half a
> On Jun 3, 2005, at 7:42 AM, beanmommy2 wrote:
> Oh - and all those little stained
> glass coloring books - they love THOSE. Looking up - I see there
>are
> some of those up on our window - horse ones - so those are Rosie's.
> -pam
dozen of the ones I like best hanging on the windows in my office
right now (it's nice being able to decorate my workspace at will but
they're starting to fade a bit from the sunlight). He's
the "colorer" - DS is fairly indifferent to coloring (I've had large
collections of his barely touched or totally blank worksheets from
Bible class over the years - they eventually just get tossed).
However, give him a black pen or a fine point marker and he'll draw
you detailed diagrams and houses and his latest is making mazes for
me to solve - complete with cross hatched sections where there's
lava or lasers or whatever that I can't go through - then he hands
me the pen and I am to make mazes for him to solve (yes, we have
some books of maze type puzzles but he prefers to hand draw them
right now).
[email protected]
Dover's Medieval Stained Glass Windows coloring book (full-sized, and I
think the first stained glass coloring book they ever made, in the early 70's)
was something my college boyfriend and I painted all up with watercolors from
K-Mart. <g>
We carefully took the staples out of the book and bent the pages backwards
to flatten (or cut them apart, as appropriate).
I recently bought a flower fairies full-sized stained glass to paint to put
over a smallish dual-glazed window that has cobwebs inside and can't be
cleaned in there (over where we installed a dog/cat door in a window on a porch,
kind of). The colors are fading too much, though. I know I COULD just paint
the window, but I'm not a good artist. I could paste up printouts of photos
of Holly. ***sigh...*** I'm thinking of Holly again...
I have lots of coloring books and most I've had since before I had kids.
They're the Dover and Bellerophon historical topic coloring books. I used to
photocopy pages for the kids to color sometimes. Recently I told Holly she
could color right in them if she wanted to, and I immediately regretted it, but
I think she could tell, and she hasn't done it. <g>
I used to use stuff from the Dover books (legally, many of them are were
made for that purpose) in publications I did in the days when publications were
cut-and-paste print jobs.
Now "cut and paste" has nothing to do with rubber cement or spray glue and
non-photo-blue pencils and light tables. <bwg> Now it's like this:
_http://sandradodd.com/england_ (http://sandradodd.com/england)
(Lots of new photos today.)
Sandra
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think the first stained glass coloring book they ever made, in the early 70's)
was something my college boyfriend and I painted all up with watercolors from
K-Mart. <g>
We carefully took the staples out of the book and bent the pages backwards
to flatten (or cut them apart, as appropriate).
I recently bought a flower fairies full-sized stained glass to paint to put
over a smallish dual-glazed window that has cobwebs inside and can't be
cleaned in there (over where we installed a dog/cat door in a window on a porch,
kind of). The colors are fading too much, though. I know I COULD just paint
the window, but I'm not a good artist. I could paste up printouts of photos
of Holly. ***sigh...*** I'm thinking of Holly again...
I have lots of coloring books and most I've had since before I had kids.
They're the Dover and Bellerophon historical topic coloring books. I used to
photocopy pages for the kids to color sometimes. Recently I told Holly she
could color right in them if she wanted to, and I immediately regretted it, but
I think she could tell, and she hasn't done it. <g>
I used to use stuff from the Dover books (legally, many of them are were
made for that purpose) in publications I did in the days when publications were
cut-and-paste print jobs.
Now "cut and paste" has nothing to do with rubber cement or spray glue and
non-photo-blue pencils and light tables. <bwg> Now it's like this:
_http://sandradodd.com/england_ (http://sandradodd.com/england)
(Lots of new photos today.)
Sandra
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mamaaj2000
--- In [email protected], "soggyboysmom" >
However, give him a black pen or a fine point marker and he'll draw
difficult to walk around the house after he's webbed the whole
place! I bet he'd like to make a maze with string.
It's raining today and since I've been walking around quite a bit
with a gassy baby today, I'm a little afraid to encourage a people
sized maze right now...I'm quite likely to end up tripping over it!
I wonder how we could make a small one. Putting string around
toothpicks stuck in styrofoam or something. But I don't think we
have any styrofoam...any ideas? We do have red yarn, which would be
harder for me to miss and trip over...
Reminds me of a friend whose son would build a new minature golf
course in the basement every day. He got pretty detailed with it,
esp. for a four year old. Intense kid. That was my first exposure to
a homeschooled kids where it was so obvious that they would suffer
terribly in school. They were so intense, so serious, which doesn't
usually go over well in public schools...
--aj
However, give him a black pen or a fine point marker and he'll draw
> you detailed diagrams and houses and his latest is making mazesfor
> me to solve - complete with cross hatched sections where there'sOh, cool. My son loves to play with string or yarn--it can be
> lava or lasers or whatever that I can't go through - then he hands
> me the pen and I am to make mazes for him to solve (yes, we have
> some books of maze type puzzles but he prefers to hand draw them
> right now).
difficult to walk around the house after he's webbed the whole
place! I bet he'd like to make a maze with string.
It's raining today and since I've been walking around quite a bit
with a gassy baby today, I'm a little afraid to encourage a people
sized maze right now...I'm quite likely to end up tripping over it!
I wonder how we could make a small one. Putting string around
toothpicks stuck in styrofoam or something. But I don't think we
have any styrofoam...any ideas? We do have red yarn, which would be
harder for me to miss and trip over...
Reminds me of a friend whose son would build a new minature golf
course in the basement every day. He got pretty detailed with it,
esp. for a four year old. Intense kid. That was my first exposure to
a homeschooled kids where it was so obvious that they would suffer
terribly in school. They were so intense, so serious, which doesn't
usually go over well in public schools...
--aj
Danielle Conger
SandraDodd@... wrote:
visitor centers of the places we go; I make a point of checking for them
and picking them up where ever we go because *I* think they're so cool.
They make really great *quiet* hotel activities, stuff to do in
restaurants in the evening, that kind of thing. Sometimes the books
don't get touched the whole trip; some probably still haven't been
touched. But they also make for great follow up whenever the kids pull
them out and decide they're interested in them. They've made Sacagewea
and Pocahontas books by cutting out their colored pages and re-stapling
them. They've also made some really cool Colonial period paper dolls by
coloring and then cutting out the people. Loads of opportunities with a
little cannibalization. ;)
--
~~Danielle
Emily (7), Julia (6), Sam (5)
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Welcomehome.html
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"With our thoughts, we make the world." ~~Buddha
>We have a stack of the Dovers that we pick up at the museum shops and
>I have lots of coloring books and most I've had since before I had kids.
>They're the Dover and Bellerophon historical topic coloring books. I used to
>photocopy pages for the kids to color sometimes. Recently I told Holly she
>could color right in them if she wanted to, and I immediately regretted it, but
>I think she could tell, and she hasn't done it. <g>
>
visitor centers of the places we go; I make a point of checking for them
and picking them up where ever we go because *I* think they're so cool.
They make really great *quiet* hotel activities, stuff to do in
restaurants in the evening, that kind of thing. Sometimes the books
don't get touched the whole trip; some probably still haven't been
touched. But they also make for great follow up whenever the kids pull
them out and decide they're interested in them. They've made Sacagewea
and Pocahontas books by cutting out their colored pages and re-stapling
them. They've also made some really cool Colonial period paper dolls by
coloring and then cutting out the people. Loads of opportunities with a
little cannibalization. ;)
--
~~Danielle
Emily (7), Julia (6), Sam (5)
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Welcomehome.html
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"With our thoughts, we make the world." ~~Buddha
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/3/2005 2:34:49 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
mamaaj2000@... writes:
It's raining today and since I've been walking around quite a bit
with a gassy baby today, I'm a little afraid to encourage a people
sized maze right now...I'm quite likely to end up tripping over it!
WOW.
I read it first as "a glass baby," and it did make that yarn webbing seem
WAY more dangerous!!
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mamaaj2000@... writes:
It's raining today and since I've been walking around quite a bit
with a gassy baby today, I'm a little afraid to encourage a people
sized maze right now...I'm quite likely to end up tripping over it!
WOW.
I read it first as "a glass baby," and it did make that yarn webbing seem
WAY more dangerous!!
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Julie W
Schuyler Waynforth wrote:
Estate sales of older ladies who never throw anything away.
Vintage clothes stores.
--
Julie W
http://jwoolfolk.typepad.com/theothermother/
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> At some point later they bothEbay.
> came back and Linnaea and I had conversations about how beautiful the
> dresses were and how much she'd like it if I could make some dresses
> in this very early 60's style, so I'll have to get patterns to do that
> when we are in the U.S. as I can't seem to find good fabric stores in
> the UK (maybe my mom has some of the 70's ones still from my
> childhood--I'll have to remember to ask).
Estate sales of older ladies who never throw anything away.
Vintage clothes stores.
--
Julie W
http://jwoolfolk.typepad.com/theothermother/
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Julie W
>I love coloring books.
>
> Guess what - my 14 and 17 year old EXTREMELY creative daughters still
> like coloring books. They sit and watch tv and color (oooh TWO evils at
> a time <g>) - they love the costume coloring books from Dover,
> especially, and the design ones. Oh - and all those little stained
> glass coloring books - they love THOSE. Looking up - I see there are
> some of those up on our window - horse ones - so those are Rosie's.
>
I've been meaning to buy one or two from this site:
http://www.greenacreworkshop.com/
Maybe one of their "paintables" too. I like to paint with watercolors
free hand, but sometimes it is nice to just paint a pretty picture. I
saw some of these awhile ago and the pictures look like they have been
hand-drawn which makes a nice watercolor painting if the lines show
through when they look like pencil drawings.
--
Julie W
http://jwoolfolk.typepad.com/theothermother/
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Elizabeth Hill
**
The colors are fading too much, though. I know I COULD just paint
the window, but I'm not a good artist. I could paste up printouts of photos
of Holly. ***sigh...*** I'm thinking of Holly again...**
My mom cleaned some stuff out of her garage and handed lots of old papers to me. Many were letters that I had written her when away at camp with a friend or travelling with grandma. I was a bit surprised to see how much I wrote "I love you mommy" and similar sentiments over and over. So when I was away I was feeling the same (but opposite) "missing you" kind of feeling that you are having for Holly. (She's undoubtedly having it too on this trip, when she's not whirlingly busy.)
Although I have a pretty strong relationship with my mom now, apparently I no longer dote on her quite as much as I did when I was a pre-teen. That was some intense doting, believe me.
Betsy
The colors are fading too much, though. I know I COULD just paint
the window, but I'm not a good artist. I could paste up printouts of photos
of Holly. ***sigh...*** I'm thinking of Holly again...**
My mom cleaned some stuff out of her garage and handed lots of old papers to me. Many were letters that I had written her when away at camp with a friend or travelling with grandma. I was a bit surprised to see how much I wrote "I love you mommy" and similar sentiments over and over. So when I was away I was feeling the same (but opposite) "missing you" kind of feeling that you are having for Holly. (She's undoubtedly having it too on this trip, when she's not whirlingly busy.)
Although I have a pretty strong relationship with my mom now, apparently I no longer dote on her quite as much as I did when I was a pre-teen. That was some intense doting, believe me.
Betsy
Schuyler Waynforth
I looked on ebay.co.uk and there is nothing, except what is advertised
in the U.S. So, maybe people just don't have space in their little
terraces to hold onto patterns?
Schuyler
--- In [email protected], Julie W
<jjjwoolfolk@s...> wrote:
in the U.S. So, maybe people just don't have space in their little
terraces to hold onto patterns?
Schuyler
--- In [email protected], Julie W
<jjjwoolfolk@s...> wrote:
> Schuyler Waynforth wrote:
>
> > At some point later they both
> > came back and Linnaea and I had conversations about how beautiful the
> > dresses were and how much she'd like it if I could make some dresses
> > in this very early 60's style, so I'll have to get patterns to do that
> > when we are in the U.S. as I can't seem to find good fabric stores in
> > the UK (maybe my mom has some of the 70's ones still from my
> > childhood--I'll have to remember to ask).
>
> Ebay.
> Estate sales of older ladies who never throw anything away.
> Vintage clothes stores.
>
>
> --
>
> Julie W
>
> http://jwoolfolk.typepad.com/theothermother/
>
>
>
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nellebelle
>>>>>>>>I used to be abig "Plug-In Drug" fan and had this weird fear (because I'd heard this
a lot) that even a little TV would hamper my kids' creativity and make
them unable to entertain themselves. Now I'm wondering why people say
that. Now that I let my kids watch freely, I do not find that to be
true at all.>>>>>>>>
While waiting for the doc the other day, I picked up a magazine with Goldy Hawn on the cover. (That is a nice little interview, BTW). After I read her interview (and still waiting) I scanned one that mentioned the importance of limiting kid's TV and computervideo game time. I think the article was something along the lines of what to do with kids now that school is out for the summer. It said it's ok to let your teen watch a movie and play games or surf the web - all in the same day - once in awhile, but don't let it be a habit. Then it said that time on the computer for academics shouldn't count against the kid's screen time, thereby contradicting their earlier statement that too much *time* with TV etc. is just plain bad for kids.
Mary Ellen
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