Re: I need a few sugestions
Brenda Rose
If this were one of my children I would say something like, "Don't worry
about the class. It was a bad idea to spend that much money instead of
getting our own study books, but we'll both know bettter in the future, so
we've learned from this experience." If he seemed to still feel guilty
about the money, after reassuring him that it really is okay, I'd tell him
that he can pay me back in the future if he thinks that he should or if it
would make him feel better. But to me there is no debt - I've wasted or
lost money on plenty of things in my life.
I sure woudn't make him go to the class just because its been paid for.
What? "You've paid for this prison and misery and now I'm going to make
sure you get the full dose?" or worse, "I wasted my hard-earned money on you
and now you must suffer." How cruel.
Brenda Rose
about the class. It was a bad idea to spend that much money instead of
getting our own study books, but we'll both know bettter in the future, so
we've learned from this experience." If he seemed to still feel guilty
about the money, after reassuring him that it really is okay, I'd tell him
that he can pay me back in the future if he thinks that he should or if it
would make him feel better. But to me there is no debt - I've wasted or
lost money on plenty of things in my life.
I sure woudn't make him go to the class just because its been paid for.
What? "You've paid for this prison and misery and now I'm going to make
sure you get the full dose?" or worse, "I wasted my hard-earned money on you
and now you must suffer." How cruel.
Brenda Rose
[email protected]
If the kid wants to take the SAT to get into college, though, maybe not
getting through five sessions (or however many) of school-like class might be a
clue that he doesn't want to shell money out for college, either.
If he goes to the series, he can spend the time doodling or wondering what
the odds are that he'll be free of such situations in college.
-=-DEMAND your money back! If the class is as your son describes, it is a
bad class and they should refund your money. -=-
Depends on what the contract was under which money was handed over. If the
thing said "no refunds," that's the deal. I've never heard of any school
saying, "If you're bored, we'll gladly refund your money."
-=-I would leave out any mention of your son as a homeschooler. It is
irrelevant and could muddy the water.=-
It's not irrelevant.
-=-Clearly the class is not as it was promoted, or your son would not be
experiencing something so different from his expectations.
If it's the first class he's ever been in, of course he didn't know what to
expect.
The fact that people pay for reviews for tests, and buy expensive prep
books, and hire coaches for law school and med school tests shines a big spotlight
on the lameness of the tests themselves. They're not testing indwelling
knowledge, or the depth of a life lived to that point. It's more cramathon. If
people can't cram for a big test like that, they probably don't have what it
takes to cram for college.
Sandra
Sandra
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getting through five sessions (or however many) of school-like class might be a
clue that he doesn't want to shell money out for college, either.
If he goes to the series, he can spend the time doodling or wondering what
the odds are that he'll be free of such situations in college.
-=-DEMAND your money back! If the class is as your son describes, it is a
bad class and they should refund your money. -=-
Depends on what the contract was under which money was handed over. If the
thing said "no refunds," that's the deal. I've never heard of any school
saying, "If you're bored, we'll gladly refund your money."
-=-I would leave out any mention of your son as a homeschooler. It is
irrelevant and could muddy the water.=-
It's not irrelevant.
-=-Clearly the class is not as it was promoted, or your son would not be
experiencing something so different from his expectations.
If it's the first class he's ever been in, of course he didn't know what to
expect.
The fact that people pay for reviews for tests, and buy expensive prep
books, and hire coaches for law school and med school tests shines a big spotlight
on the lameness of the tests themselves. They're not testing indwelling
knowledge, or the depth of a life lived to that point. It's more cramathon. If
people can't cram for a big test like that, they probably don't have what it
takes to cram for college.
Sandra
Sandra
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Vesna
Sandra,
I'm curious. Why discourage Karen & son from trying to get the money
back? Is this about them learning some kind of lesson? Taking their
lumps for not unschooling according to Hoyle? Of course some
businesses say "no refunds". We all know that. Does that give them
carte blanche to serve up swill? Anyway, Karen didn't tell us the
company's refund policy. (But if it's that unbending, it deserves to
be fought.)
I'm curious. Why discourage Karen & son from trying to get the money
back? Is this about them learning some kind of lesson? Taking their
lumps for not unschooling according to Hoyle? Of course some
businesses say "no refunds". We all know that. Does that give them
carte blanche to serve up swill? Anyway, Karen didn't tell us the
company's refund policy. (But if it's that unbending, it deserves to
be fought.)
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> -=-DEMAND your money back! If the class is as your son describes, it
is a bad class and they should refund your money. -=-
...
> -=-I would leave out any mention of your son as a homeschooler. It
is irrelevant and could muddy the water.=-
>
> It's not irrelevant.
It is irrelevant to whether their class is crummy or not. It is
irrelevant to whether they should give this unsatisfied customer his
(family's) money back.
> -=-Clearly the class is not as it was promoted, or your son would
not be experiencing something so different from his expectations. -=-
>
> If it's the first class he's ever been in, of course he didn't know
what to
> expect.
It is not his first class. Karen says in her original post that he's
been homeschooling for 3 years.
Also, it's not the only class he's taking right now. He's loving his
writing class. I say, bully for him, he knows good education from bad!
He won't stand for being patronized or bored or belittled or
institutionalized! I celebrate it as a triumph! (And it didn't even
cost me $250, so it's easy from over here! ;) )
> The fact that people pay for reviews for tests, and buy expensive
prep books, and hire coaches for law school and med school tests
shines a big spotlight on the lameness of the tests themselves.
They're not testing indwelling
> knowledge, or the depth of a life lived to that point. It's more
cramathon.
Agreed!
> If
> people can't cram for a big test like that, they probably don't have
what it
> takes to cram for college.
Right. But is it wrong to want to attain "what it takes"? That's what
Karen's son was doing. Why put him down? He just got a bad class that
wasn't what it promised to be, that's all.
Vesna
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/28/2005 8:34:33 PM Mountain Standard Time,
duonexus@... writes:
I'm curious. Why discourage Karen & son from trying to get the money
back?
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If there was a no-refund policy, I think that should be that.
If there wasn't, there's no discouragement.
I don't like dishonesty at all. If they honestly signed up for a no-refund
situation, any balking would be dishonest.
Interesting, fun courses are the exception. Just because a few people can
manage to provide them does NOT make it the norm, nor the standard to meet
else refunds become reasonable.
If fun courses were the norm, all our kids could be at school and we could
all be teachers.
-=- Anyway, Karen didn't tell us the
company's refund policy. (But if it's that unbending, it deserves to
be fought.)-=-
Perhaps.
But if someone hadn't been to class
is going to class in preparation for going to other classes
and hated the first class he ever went to
how is that worthy of a refund?
Classes frequently suck.
-=- Taking their lumps for not unschooling according to Hoyle? -=-
What on earth would that mean?
It shouldn't matter why/how someone is signing up for a course offered to
anyone who signs up. What "lumps"? What should unschooling have to do with
whether they would qualify for a refund?
Sandra
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duonexus@... writes:
I'm curious. Why discourage Karen & son from trying to get the money
back?
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If there was a no-refund policy, I think that should be that.
If there wasn't, there's no discouragement.
I don't like dishonesty at all. If they honestly signed up for a no-refund
situation, any balking would be dishonest.
Interesting, fun courses are the exception. Just because a few people can
manage to provide them does NOT make it the norm, nor the standard to meet
else refunds become reasonable.
If fun courses were the norm, all our kids could be at school and we could
all be teachers.
-=- Anyway, Karen didn't tell us the
company's refund policy. (But if it's that unbending, it deserves to
be fought.)-=-
Perhaps.
But if someone hadn't been to class
is going to class in preparation for going to other classes
and hated the first class he ever went to
how is that worthy of a refund?
Classes frequently suck.
-=- Taking their lumps for not unschooling according to Hoyle? -=-
What on earth would that mean?
It shouldn't matter why/how someone is signing up for a course offered to
anyone who signs up. What "lumps"? What should unschooling have to do with
whether they would qualify for a refund?
Sandra
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Pam Sorooshian
On Mar 28, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Vesna wrote:
back?
I assumed that she'd try that, of course, and her question was based on
assuming they couldn't get the money back.
It is pretty common not to be able to get money back for classes - the
fees are based on the number of people and if somebody drops out when
it is too late to add somebody else, they give up their fee.
-pam
And it is unschooling according to Holt, not Hoyle, that we're talking
about here, by the way. <g>
>Would Karen be ASKING us about this if she was able to get the money
> I'm curious. Why discourage Karen & son from trying to get the money
> back? Is this about them learning some kind of lesson? Taking their
> lumps for not unschooling according to Hoyle? Of course some
> businesses say "no refunds". We all know that. Does that give them
> carte blanche to serve up swill? Anyway, Karen didn't tell us the
> company's refund policy. (But if it's that unbending, it deserves to
> be fought.)
back?
I assumed that she'd try that, of course, and her question was based on
assuming they couldn't get the money back.
It is pretty common not to be able to get money back for classes - the
fees are based on the number of people and if somebody drops out when
it is too late to add somebody else, they give up their fee.
-pam
And it is unschooling according to Holt, not Hoyle, that we're talking
about here, by the way. <g>
Robyn Coburn
<<<<<I assumed that she'd try that, of course, and her question was based on
assuming they couldn't get the money back.>>>>>>
So did I. My understanding was that the real problem was a recalcitrant
hubby mourning the loss of the bread, and her need was for ideas for helping
him see that from a different place. I think she got some. Hope they work
out.
Robyn L. Coburn
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assuming they couldn't get the money back.>>>>>>
So did I. My understanding was that the real problem was a recalcitrant
hubby mourning the loss of the bread, and her need was for ideas for helping
him see that from a different place. I think she got some. Hope they work
out.
Robyn L. Coburn
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