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In a message dated 3/4/2005 12:15:38 PM Mountain Standard Time,
julesmiel@... writes:

What do all of you think about working to
legislate freedom for young people, at least incrementally?


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It's already happening, gradually and increasingly.

This week West Wing had some discussion of the right for kids to vote. That
was fun. Keith who usually goes to sleep at 10:00, but who was out of town
Wednesday and so was watching West Wing taped, went in at 10:30 at night to
show parts of that episode to Holly. He told me today that he wanted her to
see (even though fictional) some kids asking for the kind of respect Holly has
always had. It was cool. I still haven't watched it but will tonight,
probably.

-=- I have been focusing more
on the changes I can make in my own life because of disillusionment with the
political process, but our laws certainly don't respect young people. Also
wondering if you know any young people who have expressed an interest in
changing laws related to their rights.-=-

_http://www.unicef.org/crc/convention.htm_
(http://www.unicef.org/crc/convention.htm)

The Convention on the Rights of the Child
Interesting reading. All nations have ratified it except two. Interesting
to see which two.

Sandra



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Julie

Sandra wrote:
<< This week West Wing had some discussion of the right for kids to vote.
That was fun. Keith who usually goes to sleep at 10:00, but who was out of
town Wednesday and so was watching West Wing taped, went in at 10:30 at
night to show parts of that episode to Holly. He told me today that he
wanted her to see (even though fictional) some kids asking for the kind of
respect Holly has always had. It was cool. I still haven't watched it but
will tonight, probably.>>

Glad to see this is being brought up on network TV! I just found this site
with information about youth suffrage:
http://www.freechild.org/SNAYR/suffrage.htm .

Their homepage looks pretty interesting, too: http://www.freechild.org/ .

<<http://www.unicef.org/crc/convention.htm

The Convention on the Rights of the Child
Interesting reading. All nations have ratified it except two. Interesting

to see which two.>>

I just knew the US would be one. I was googling this and came across a
youth rights organization run for and by young people:
http://www.youthrights.org Encouraging stuff!

Julie in NY
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"Acquire the courage to believe in yourself. Many of the things that you
have been taught were at one time the radical ideas of individuals who had
the courage to believe what their own hearts and minds told them was true,
rather than accept the common beliefs of their day."
-Ching Ning Chu
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingourselves/  

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This morning I was thinking about Holly's current interest in French, and
realized that she's going to balk at the "tu" and "vous" dichotomy. As with
any English speaker learning a language without a neutral pronoun, where boats
and chairs and bottles have genders, that's a tricky part. And she's
interested in the history of English, so I can talk to her about "thee" vs. "you,"
but the fact remains that English quit using the familiar pronouns hundreds of
years ago, and it has been abandoned so thoroughly that people are shocked
to find that the language of prayer ("thy will be done") is NOT the more
formal, respectful phrasing, but is the pronoun that used to be used to speak to
servants, children and dogs: the informal.

It is possible, given that, that English speakers will have an easier time
considering children's rights than people in cultures in which the whole
language conspires to separate children from adults.

Sandra


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In a message dated 3/5/2005 10:51:04 AM Mountain Standard Time,
danielle.conger@... writes:

I've just ordered a '75 Ballantine edition of it from Amazon
Marketplace.



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I just went and ordered a former library copy from amazon, used, cheap.
Thanks for the idea! That's one I never read, and my husband might really be
in the mood for that these days too.

Sandra


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Danielle Conger

==

I just went and ordered a former library copy from amazon, used, cheap.
Thanks for the idea! That's one I never read, and my husband might really be
in the mood for that these days too.

==

Yes, I like Marketplace. Eventhough one must pay shipping for each item
ordered, it still ends up saving money. I can usually get a used book
including shipping for less than $10. Books are so expensive these days!

On a side note, related to an earlier post about buying full price books...

I put all my groceries, gas, essentials, etc. on my Discover Card, which
I then pay IN FULL each month so I have no finance charges (obviously,
this is the key, or it's no deal at all, which is what the company's
hoping for). I can then use my Cashback Awards for gift certificates to
Borders Books--for each $20 Award I spend, I can buy a $25 giftcard from
Borders. I can then spend the giftcard just like cash in the store and
even apply my 20% teacher discount to the items I buy. A VERY good deal.
Free books for stuff I'd have to purchase anyway. We generally cash in
twice a year and go crazy.

~~Danielle
Emily (7), Julia (6), Sam (4.5)
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Welcomehome.html

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"With our thoughts, we make the world." ~~Buddha

Heidi

It was also the language you used with your closest companions and
friends, as well as your lover. It was the language of intimacy.

blessings, heidiC


the language of prayer ("thy will be done") is NOT the more
> formal, respectful phrasing, but is the pronoun that used to be
used to speak to
> servants, children and dogs: the informal.
>
> Sandra
>
>
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deedeanne

My internet service has been down, or I would have replied to this
sooner. I was looking at The Convention on the Rights of the Child a
while ago to see what it was all about and why wouldn't the US want
to be in on it.

I still don't know the whole story. I did find it very interesting
that Article 28 in that document says that participating states
shall, "Make primary education compulsory and available free to
all;" When I read that I thought maybe it wasn't so bad that we
weren't endorsing it. Compulsory education has become such a horror
in our own country. I can't imagine a worldwide committee making
decisions about what is appropriate for all children at specific
ages. eeeek!

Does anyone have more knowledge about the subject that would shed a
little more light on this?

Deanne








The Convention on the Rights of the Child
> Interesting reading. All nations have ratified it except two.
Interesting
>
> to see which two.>>
>
> I just knew the US would be one. I was googling this and came
across a
> youth rights organization run for and by young people:
> http://www.youthrights.org Encouraging stuff!
>
> Julie in NY
> ________________________________________________
>
> "Acquire the courage to believe in yourself. Many of the things
that you
> have been taught were at one time the radical ideas of individuals
who had
> the courage to believe what their own hearts and minds told them
was true,
> rather than accept the common beliefs of their day."
> -Ching Ning Chu
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingourselves/  

Pam Sorooshian

On Mar 15, 2005, at 4:48 AM, deedeanne wrote:

> "Make primary education compulsory and available free to
> all;" When I read that I thought maybe it wasn't so bad that we
> weren't endorsing it. Compulsory education has become such a horror
> in our own country. I can't imagine a worldwide committee making
> decisions about what is appropriate for all children at specific
> ages. eeeek!

We HAVE compulsory education that is free to all. All developed nations
have that already.

It doesn't say that a worldwide committee would be making any decisions
about what is appropriate for all children at specific ages. Quite a
leap.

But - this isn't really an appropriate discussion for this list unless
you think that it would keep us from unschooling. I don't see why that
would be the case, especially since we're all unschooling right now in
a country that already does have compulsory education laws in every
state.

-pam

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In a message dated 3/15/05 8:10:25 AM, deedeanne@... writes:

<< Does anyone have more knowledge about the subject that would shed a

little more light on this? >>

Fundamentalist Christians don't want anyone telling them they can't hit their
kids. They don't want their kids to have rights. That is why the U.S.
hasn't signed off on it. I can't speak to Somalia's objections.

Sandra