Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] words words words
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:32:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
Hey, is this like "flammable" and "inflammable"?
and irregardless?
Elissa
Mystik Hill Farm
Kearneysville, WV
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[email protected] writes:
Hey, is this like "flammable" and "inflammable"?
and irregardless?
Elissa
Mystik Hill Farm
Kearneysville, WV
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Nichole
How long does it take for a word someone makes up that means exactly the same thing as a word already in existence to make it into the dictionary?
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In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:32:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Hey, is this like "flammable" and "inflammable"?
and irregardless?
Elissa
Mystik Hill Farm
Kearneysville, WV
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nellebelle
Have you read "Frindle"?
Mary Ellen
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----- Original Message ----- How long does it take for a word someone makes up that means exactly the same thing as a word already in existence to make it into the dictionary?
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[email protected]
In a message dated 3/2/05 8:51:45 AM, ms_fausey@... writes:
<<
How long does it take for a word someone makes up that means exactly the same
thing as a word already in existence to make it into the dictionary? >>
It would have to be used commonly, or used three or five times (not an exact
number, but once or twice wouldn't do it) in articles in the New York Times or
other nationally/internationally read publications. And WHICH dictionary?
There are slang dictionaries, and now with the internet there are group-built
temporary dictionaries. To make it into something like Webster's or American
Heritage, the word needs to be in common use.
There's a short novel called "Frindle" about this very thing. It's about
school, too, so that can be fascinating or irritating or both. <g>
-=http://www.frindle.com/-=-
The questions at that site are quite overblown. It's a stretched-out short
story. But I guess kids are no more creative in asking authors questions about
their books than most adults are talking to kids. There's "What grade are
you in?" and "Do you like your teacher?" Kids ask authors how long it took to
write and whether it will be made into a movie. This would make one lame
movie. As I was reading it (a friend who has never understood unschooling but
knows I like words gave it to me), I was thinking it would be a fair fantasy
for a schoolkid, but ONLY in the context of school as an inevitability is it the
least bit interesting, because throughout it, the teacher is overbearing and
(seemed to me) mentally abusive, and think she owns English. So it wasn't a
fun read for me.
Sandra
<<
How long does it take for a word someone makes up that means exactly the same
thing as a word already in existence to make it into the dictionary? >>
It would have to be used commonly, or used three or five times (not an exact
number, but once or twice wouldn't do it) in articles in the New York Times or
other nationally/internationally read publications. And WHICH dictionary?
There are slang dictionaries, and now with the internet there are group-built
temporary dictionaries. To make it into something like Webster's or American
Heritage, the word needs to be in common use.
There's a short novel called "Frindle" about this very thing. It's about
school, too, so that can be fascinating or irritating or both. <g>
-=http://www.frindle.com/-=-
The questions at that site are quite overblown. It's a stretched-out short
story. But I guess kids are no more creative in asking authors questions about
their books than most adults are talking to kids. There's "What grade are
you in?" and "Do you like your teacher?" Kids ask authors how long it took to
write and whether it will be made into a movie. This would make one lame
movie. As I was reading it (a friend who has never understood unschooling but
knows I like words gave it to me), I was thinking it would be a fair fantasy
for a schoolkid, but ONLY in the context of school as an inevitability is it the
least bit interesting, because throughout it, the teacher is overbearing and
(seemed to me) mentally abusive, and think she owns English. So it wasn't a
fun read for me.
Sandra
Danielle Conger
==
It would have to be used commonly, or used three or five times (not an exact
number, but once or twice wouldn't do it) in articles in the New York Times or
other nationally/internationally read publications. And WHICH dictionary?
There are slang dictionaries, and now with the internet there are group-built
temporary dictionaries. To make it into something like Webster's or American
Heritage, the word needs to be in common use.
There's a short novel called "Frindle" about this very thing. It's about
school, too, so that can be fascinating or irritating or both. <g>
==
There's also a really cool short play by Vaclav Havel, former dissident
writer turned president of Czechoslovakia, called _The Memorandum_. It's
all about an iron-curtain type dictatorship trying to control the
meaning of language. As soon as a word begins to take on meaning from
context and use that goes beyond state control, a new memorandum is sent
out changing the word.
Linguists have just begun in the past few years seriously studying the
word "like" and its use among young populations, parsing out all the
different contextual meanings of "like I said" and "he was all like" and
so forth. There have been a couple of really interesting pieces about
this scholarship on NPR in the last year or so that might still be
accessible if you're interested.
~~Danielle
Emily (7), Julia (6), Sam (4.5)
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Welcomehome.html
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"With our thoughts, we make the world." ~~Buddha
It would have to be used commonly, or used three or five times (not an exact
number, but once or twice wouldn't do it) in articles in the New York Times or
other nationally/internationally read publications. And WHICH dictionary?
There are slang dictionaries, and now with the internet there are group-built
temporary dictionaries. To make it into something like Webster's or American
Heritage, the word needs to be in common use.
There's a short novel called "Frindle" about this very thing. It's about
school, too, so that can be fascinating or irritating or both. <g>
==
There's also a really cool short play by Vaclav Havel, former dissident
writer turned president of Czechoslovakia, called _The Memorandum_. It's
all about an iron-curtain type dictatorship trying to control the
meaning of language. As soon as a word begins to take on meaning from
context and use that goes beyond state control, a new memorandum is sent
out changing the word.
Linguists have just begun in the past few years seriously studying the
word "like" and its use among young populations, parsing out all the
different contextual meanings of "like I said" and "he was all like" and
so forth. There have been a couple of really interesting pieces about
this scholarship on NPR in the last year or so that might still be
accessible if you're interested.
~~Danielle
Emily (7), Julia (6), Sam (4.5)
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Welcomehome.html
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"With our thoughts, we make the world." ~~Buddha
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>
MomtoLJ
SandraDodd@... wrote:
and not giving into authority. The end is particularly good. I've read
a lot by the author and I like the one about the invisible boy best,
it's very good.
joylyn
>I like this book a great deal, it shows a kid with spirit making changes
> There's a short novel called "Frindle" about this very thing. It's
> about
> school, too, so that can be fascinating or irritating or both. <g>
>
> -=http://www.frindle.com/-=-
and not giving into authority. The end is particularly good. I've read
a lot by the author and I like the one about the invisible boy best,
it's very good.
joylyn
huntmom1996
There was also an interesting study (interesting to read about and
intersting that someone decided to research this) done on the
communication sytle and linguistics of annual "Holiday Letters". It
was also on NPR.
Jessica
--- In [email protected], Danielle Conger
<danielle.conger@c...> wrote:
intersting that someone decided to research this) done on the
communication sytle and linguistics of annual "Holiday Letters". It
was also on NPR.
Jessica
--- In [email protected], Danielle Conger
<danielle.conger@c...> wrote:
> ==an exact
>
> It would have to be used commonly, or used three or five times (not
> number, but once or twice wouldn't do it) in articles in the NewYork Times or
> other nationally/internationally read publications. And WHICHdictionary?
> There are slang dictionaries, and now with the internet there aregroup-built
> temporary dictionaries. To make it into something like Webster'sor American
> Heritage, the word needs to be in common use.It's about
>
> There's a short novel called "Frindle" about this very thing.
> school, too, so that can be fascinating or irritating or both. <g>dissident
>
> ==
>
> There's also a really cool short play by Vaclav Havel, former
> writer turned president of Czechoslovakia, called _The Memorandum_.It's
> all about an iron-curtain type dictatorship trying to control thefrom
> meaning of language. As soon as a word begins to take on meaning
> context and use that goes beyond state control, a new memorandum issent
> out changing the word.the
>
> Linguists have just begun in the past few years seriously studying
> word "like" and its use among young populations, parsing out allthe
> different contextual meanings of "like I said" and "he was alllike" and
> so forth. There have been a couple of really interesting piecesabout
> this scholarship on NPR in the last year or so that might still be
> accessible if you're interested.
>
> ~~Danielle
> Emily (7), Julia (6), Sam (4.5)
> http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Welcomehome.html
>
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
> "With our thoughts, we make the world." ~~Buddha
>
>
> >
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