Shields

My 11 yod is interested in web design and would like to develop her own
website. She has learned some basics from Neopets and would like to learn
more. Does anyone have experience with a book or other means of learning
HTML? I was thinking of something along the lines of HTML for Dummies, but
wondered if there are any other great resources out there.
Thanks, Kristin

nellebelle

http://www.lissaexplains.com/index.shtml
Hello, and welcome to Lissa Explains it All, the first and original HTML Help JUST for Kids. Lissa Explains it All is a colorful and fun approach to learning HTML for Kids and the young at heart. With this tutorial, kids and beginners learn step by step how to make their own Web page and publish it on the WWW. For the more advanced, .htaccess files, installing perl scripts and much more is covered.

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Holly Furgason

My daughter learned HTML from http://www.lissaexplains.com/ . Here
are some examples of her work:

http://www.flown-away.com (her personal site)
http://www.freewebs.com/helms/ (just a mock-up)

Holly
2 COOL 4 SCHOOL
http://www.cafepress.com/2cool4school

--- In [email protected], Shields <shields@o...>
wrote:
> My 11 yod is interested in web design and would like to develop her
own
> website. She has learned some basics from Neopets and would like
to learn
> more. Does anyone have experience with a book or other means of
learning
> HTML? I was thinking of something along the lines of HTML for
Dummies, but
> wondered if there are any other great resources out there.
> Thanks, Kristin

Heather Woodward

HTML for the World Wide Web by Elizabeth Castro. Peach Pit Press. This are very easy to use and understand - there is also a JavaScript book by the same Publisher.

Heather
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From: Shields
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Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] HTML for kids


My 11 yod is interested in web design and would like to develop her own
website. She has learned some basics from Neopets and would like to learn
more. Does anyone have experience with a book or other means of learning
HTML? I was thinking of something along the lines of HTML for Dummies, but
wondered if there are any other great resources out there.
Thanks, Kristin



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Elizabeth Roberts

I am not familiar with HTML, but if she wants to try
working with a template first and get used to some
aspects of design, she could try using Tripod.com.

Elizabeth

--- Shields <shields@...> wrote:

> My 11 yod is interested in web design and would like
> to develop her own
> website. She has learned some basics from Neopets
> and would like to learn
> more. Does anyone have experience with a book or
> other means of learning
> HTML? I was thinking of something along the lines
> of HTML for Dummies, but
> wondered if there are any other great resources out
> there.
> Thanks, Kristin
>
>


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Elizabeth
Http://rainbowacademy.blogspot.com




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There are other "how to" sites too, so sometimes if one site's explanation is
confusing, try another. But I've used Lissa's too sometimes.

One thing to do is to lift the code of a page you like, and learn to find
elements. I've swiped formats (indents, columns, etc.). The box I use on
http://sandradodd.com/life and some of those directly connected to it came from a
site for recovering Mormons. I changed the colors and added backgrounds, and it
works better on some of the pages than others. Sometimes I go in and make
repairs and sometimes I just let things remain funky until I'm in to add new
info.

To see the code of a page, you can go to the page and hold the mouse down. I
have a Mac, so I don't know whether it's right or left for a PC, but a box
comes up and one of the options is "view source."

That will show the HTML of that page.

Sometimes it's way long and confusing, but if you look at some simple pages,
and after doing a bit, you learn to see which parts you can ignore and which
are the thing you're after.

You can copy and paste that code into a word file and delete what you don't
need, and when you want to use it, cut and paste it from your file and fill in
the text, change the colors, whatever.

Sandra


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nellebelle

In Internet Explorer, you left click on VIEW, then SOURCE.

Netscape Navigator, left click on VIEW, then PAGE SOURCE.

I made my family pages using very basic html. It's on my to-do list to get in there and do some upgrades. One of these days...
http://webpages.charter.net/sagebrushgates/

Once you've got the pages written in html, you need to upload them to a server. My ISP includes web hosting in our monthly fees. They now have a built in uploader, but when I first published my pages I used an FTP that I downloaded free from the Internet.

Mary Ellen
----- Original Message -----To see the code of a page, you can go to the page and hold the mouse down. I have a Mac, so I don't know whether it's right or left for a PC, but a box comes up and one of the options is "view source."

That will show the HTML of that page.

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 6:21:53 PM Mountain Standard Time,
nellebelle@... writes:
Once you've got the pages written in html, you need to upload them to a
server. My ISP includes web hosting in our monthly fees.
-----

With geocities.com (subset of yahoo), there's an online editor. That's where
I do mine. I don't know how to upload pages to servers. Lame, huh? (But I
do have a bunch of pages, anyway. <g>)

With the editor, they have "save and continue," so you can save what you have
so far but stay in the editor. And there's "preview" so you can keep looking
at it bit by bit as you make changes.

Sandra


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Holly Furgason

HTML is incredibly easy to learn and it's so much more versitile.
It's basically opening and closing commands in brackets that tell the
computers exactly how to view the page.

Holly

--- In [email protected], Elizabeth Roberts
<ladyeliza_r@y...> wrote:
>
> I am not familiar with HTML, but if she wants to try
> working with a template first and get used to some
> aspects of design, she could try using Tripod.com.
>
> Elizabeth

Elizabeth Roberts

So I've heard. I've only dabbled a little, realized it
was way more intensive than I wanted to be involved in
(or maybe that's because I hadn't yet tried HTML and
was using a template based approach?!) so I've just
never gotten around to doing anything more...

Elizabeth

--- Holly Furgason <unschooler@...> wrote:

>
> HTML is incredibly easy to learn and it's so much
> more versitile.
> It's basically opening and closing commands in
> brackets that tell the
> computers exactly how to view the page.
>
> Holly
>
> --- In [email protected],
> Elizabeth Roberts
> <ladyeliza_r@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I am not familiar with HTML, but if she wants to
> try
> > working with a template first and get used to some
> > aspects of design, she could try using Tripod.com.
>
> >
> > Elizabeth
>
>
>
>


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In a message dated 11/26/04 9:14:40 PM, ladyeliza_r@... writes:

<< So I've heard. I've only dabbled a little, realized it
was way more intensive than I wanted to be involved in
(or maybe that's because I hadn't yet tried HTML and
was using a template based approach?!) so I've just
never gotten around to doing anything more... >>

It's like old-time word processing (people over 45 might remember some), in
large part. Like to put something into bold, you write
<b>word</b> and word would be bold. ( I hope all the mailers out there will
ignore that command. And there are some particulars about font sizes and
such, but they're easy to find. I bought a laminated HTML guide from a bookstore,
and followed some of their directions when I was first starting.

Sandra

Nandi

Here's another great site: WebMonkey for Kids
http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/kids/index.html

--- In [email protected], Shields <shields@o...>
wrote:
> My 11 yod is interested in web design and would like to develop
her own
> website. She has learned some basics from Neopets and would like
to learn
> more. Does anyone have experience with a book or other means of
learning
> HTML? I was thinking of something along the lines of HTML for
Dummies, but
> wondered if there are any other great resources out there.
> Thanks, Kristin

Holly Furgason

It's more than that. The creative process is the same if you're
using an old data processor or Word. This is more like the
difference between paint by number with 6 little pots of paint and a
clean canvass with tubes and tubes of paints to mix.

Most adults want a page to get information across. Yours is a good
example. There's lots of info there laid out in a very logical way.
My sites are the same way. For people looking for unschooling info,
they're perfect.

Teens are generally looking for a more creative outlet. The web
pages designed by them don't have a lot of info but they represent
who they are and what they like. Kate changes her web site on a
regular basis (and I really hate the one she has now but it's a good
example of what she and her peers are doing) taking a lot time
manipulating graphics and setting evrything just perfectly while
showing off new code yet there's not much there in the way of
content. Of course, she uses CSS and Java too but it all started
with HTML.

Holly
2 COOL 4 SCHOOL
http://www.cafepress.com/2cool4school


-- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:

> It's like old-time word processing (people over 45 might remember
some), in
> large part. Like to put something into bold, you write
> <b>word</b> and word would be bold. ( I hope all the mailers out
there will
> ignore that command. And there are some particulars about font
sizes and
> such, but they're easy to find. I bought a laminated HTML guide
from a bookstore,
> and followed some of their directions when I was first starting.
>
> Sandra

Shields

Thanks for all the suggestions! Chloe will be thrilled to see them, she's
already playing around with color and fonts and likes to import what she
calls "screenies" to her sites at Neopets. She also loves to write, so I
think her site will be very creatively done with her own poems and stories
and lots of color. I don't know anything at all about HTML so it's the
perfect example of unschooling. She's been teaching herself this for about
4 months- since we moved and she got her own computer. In fact, she spends
most of the day on the computer figuring things out- time which most of her
friends who are not homeschoolers would never to be allowed to spend in
front of a computer. My brother is a web designer and hosts our email on
his domain name so we are hoping we can use that server for Chloe's
website.
Kristin

pam sorooshian

Here is another example of an unschooled teenager's website,
<http://www.kalliroscope.net/>.

Roxana also started on Neopets when she was a young teen. She suggests
that getting a site on geocities, using their website development
tools, can be a good way to get more familiar with html. She also
worked the same way Sandra suggested - finding things she liked on
other websites, looking at their source code, and fooling with it to
make it do what she wanted. She got a little html dictionary - just a
list of html tags and what each does - to make it easy to find what she
wanted. Then she played with it a lot, over years, and is now really
good at writing html code from scratch. Her website is typical of teens
- lots of color and graphics - creativity being the focus.

-pam

On Nov 27, 2004, at 8:39 AM, Shields wrote:

> She also loves to write, so I
> think her site will be very creatively done with her own poems and
> stories
> and lots of color.