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In a message dated 11/22/2004 3:05:26 PM Mountain Standard Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:
On the flip side, I have an acquaintance who got all the way through a
prestigious college, then law school, then found out he didn't like
being a lawyer.
===========

I have a friend who got through college, then law school, got a job as a
lawyer, got a date (he had not had girlfriends through all that), and on the date
was hit and killed in a crosswalk.

Too much college and not enough life.

Here's what I wrote about Kirby, who is still undecided but might take a
couple of remedial-type classes (the pre-101 things) in spring, to warm up to how
such things work. Or he might re-test the reading section so he can get a
better score and take 101 English for credit. The only test he had ever taken
before this was in driver's ed. He was three points low of qualifying for
English 101. Not bad for never seeing the inside of a school during classtime.

http://sandradodd.com/teen/kirby

Some jobs without college...
working in bookstores, coffeeshops, grocery stores, video/music stores, and
becoming manager

skilled construction trades (a plumber took $500 off me today for an hour
and a half's work, and even if the guy only gets to keep $100 or so, that's not
too awful).

hotel clerk, building up to other jobs there maybe in management

there are legal jobs, clerks and paralegals and court reporting, that don't
take a lot of training but pay fairly well

social services, juvenile, probation and such... depressing to me, but some
people seem drawn to that

police and security jobs

fire departments

EMT (training, but not college degree)

delivery jobs (flowers, UPS)

USPS! Postal service pays well and has retirement after 20 years, I think.

Sandra


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In a message dated 11/22/2004 5:54:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
social services, juvenile, probation and such... depressing to me, but some
people seem drawn to that

police
Most of these jobs now require at minimum a two year degree. Lots of
criminal justice majors around here and psych majors going into social work.


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Holly Furgason

Also dog trainer or groomer both of which bring in good money and
niether of which require any type of certification or training in
Texas and writer, web page design, actor, singer, dancer, juggler,
magician which all require talent, skill and experience more than
education.

And don't forget business owner. Putting yourself as boss makes a
college degree moot. Businesses don't have to be high tech or
large. I know people who make a good living off of window washing,
petting sitting and scooping up dog poop in yards because they have
other people working for them.

Holly
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--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:

>
> Some jobs without college...
> working in bookstores, coffeeshops, grocery stores, video/music
stores, and
> becoming manager
>
> skilled construction trades (a plumber took $500 off me today for
an hour
> and a half's work, and even if the guy only gets to keep $100 or
so, that's not
> too awful).
>
> hotel clerk, building up to other jobs there maybe in management
>
> there are legal jobs, clerks and paralegals and court reporting,
that don't
> take a lot of training but pay fairly well
>
> social services, juvenile, probation and such... depressing to me,
but some
> people seem drawn to that
>
> police and security jobs
>
> fire departments
>
> EMT (training, but not college degree)
>
> delivery jobs (flowers, UPS)
>
> USPS! Postal service pays well and has retirement after 20 years,
I think.
>
> Sandra
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Heather Woodward

My hubby is a Packaging Designer w/out going to college. My SIL opens new restaurants for Friendly's across the country, and trains new employees w/out college. She is an excellent manager. One of my best friends is a phenomenal photographer and besides making sure we always have photos of our kids ;-) she does occasional weddings and events. She and her husband are very knowledgeable about antiques - and often sell on ebay. They do quite well. I have another friend who is a trainer for Foxwoods resorts/Casino who previously worked his way up in banking with out a degree.

So, yes there is lots out there to do ;-)

Heather


----- Original Message -----
From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:43 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] jobs not requiring college


In a message dated 11/22/2004 3:05:26 PM Mountain Standard Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:
On the flip side, I have an acquaintance who got all the way through a
prestigious college, then law school, then found out he didn't like
being a lawyer.
===========

I have a friend who got through college, then law school, got a job as a
lawyer, got a date (he had not had girlfriends through all that), and on the date
was hit and killed in a crosswalk.

Too much college and not enough life.

Here's what I wrote about Kirby, who is still undecided but might take a
couple of remedial-type classes (the pre-101 things) in spring, to warm up to how
such things work. Or he might re-test the reading section so he can get a
better score and take 101 English for credit. The only test he had ever taken
before this was in driver's ed. He was three points low of qualifying for
English 101. Not bad for never seeing the inside of a school during classtime.

http://sandradodd.com/teen/kirby

Some jobs without college...
working in bookstores, coffeeshops, grocery stores, video/music stores, and
becoming manager

skilled construction trades (a plumber took $500 off me today for an hour
and a half's work, and even if the guy only gets to keep $100 or so, that's not
too awful).

hotel clerk, building up to other jobs there maybe in management

there are legal jobs, clerks and paralegals and court reporting, that don't
take a lot of training but pay fairly well

social services, juvenile, probation and such... depressing to me, but some
people seem drawn to that

police and security jobs

fire departments

EMT (training, but not college degree)

delivery jobs (flowers, UPS)

USPS! Postal service pays well and has retirement after 20 years, I think.

Sandra


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Linda

Some other ways to make a living without a college
degree:

opening up a store (many people are doing this
successfully online now)

making and selling things you've made (pottery,
diapers, clothing, paintings, furniture, baked goods,
etc.)

catering

alternative health care -- naturopath, massage
therapist, midwife, doula (if you wish to be
licensed/certified, you may need to go through some
sort of program, but some can be apprenticed)

interior design (I know someone who got an
apprenticeship on the basis of her portfolio, although
you could always do the research yourself, pay the
licensing fee, and then open your own business)

selling used items (a friend of mind made a living by
selling clothing on ebay and used textbooks to
schools)

carpentry (my husband never went to college, and is
supporting his family just fine, thank you very much
:))

farming

writing (magazine articles, books)

landscaping/gardening

My best friend makes a living working as a nanny
part-time, and as a driver for elderly people
part-time

Some of these have substantial start-up costs, but
most would be considerably less than the cost of
college tuition.




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In a message dated 11/22/04 5:54:26 PM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:

<< police
Most of these jobs now require at minimum a two year degree. Lots of
criminal justice majors around here and psych majors going into social work.
>>

There are entry level jobs here, and then the department will pay for degrees
if people want them.

There is a police academy here, courses at the trades school for all the
court staff positions and paralegals, and although there are supervisory positions
for those with four year sociology and criminal justice degrees, there are
LOTS of support positions, at county and state levels.

Sandra

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In a message dated 11/22/04 4:36:34 PM, unschooler@... writes:

<< I know people who make a good living off of window washing,

petting sitting and scooping up dog poop in yards because they have

other people working for them.

>>

Someone I went to college with (she was an art student) got married and she
and her husband cleaned offices at night and saved money. She went to work at
a French pastry shop to learn the trade. Then they opened an artsy ice cream
and magazine stand. Then they expanded it to a restaurant. Then they opened
another and another, and then sold them to a chain and retired. !!

Kirby has learned a lot at his job. That's another way to "get training," to
take a related job and not only learn how to, but how not to, and then open a
similar place and do better.

Sandra

Sandra

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In a message dated 11/22/04 5:19:10 PM, bacwoodz@... writes:

<< I have another friend who is a trainer for Foxwoods resorts/Casino who
previously worked his way up in banking with out a degree. >>

My sister has managed two stores and now is the lead teller at a little bank
branch in Chama, New Mexico (actually Dulce, on the Jicarilla Apache
reservation). She won't be a manager because it's managed from the next town over.

She has also made money in the past being a caretaker for a retired and
semi-disabled millionaire, doing gardening and errands and companion stuff; she's
done tilework and glass designing with sandblasting, all here and there and
never fulltime.

Greenhouses! My cousin never went to college, and she has worked in
greenhouses anytime she wanted to. There are management and ownership possibilities
in that, and also floral design and supply.

Sandra

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In a message dated 11/22/2004 9:02:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
That's another way to "get training," to
take a related job and not only learn how to, but how not to, and then open a
similar place and do better.
Building Codes Inspectors, no college required, on the job training, just
hired one, forty dollars an hour.

Pretty good money, no degree, but certifications that you accumulate as you
go.

My youngest boy has been working at this for almost a year, learning as he
goes, thinking less and less of a college degree these days.


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Holly Furgason

--- In [email protected], Linda
<eaglefalconlark@y...> wrote:

> carpentry (my husband never went to college, and is
> supporting his family just fine, thank you very much
> :))

Dh made about 3 times as much in carpentry than he does now that he
has a college degree and is working for CPS.

Holly
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Daniela

> Dh made about 3 times as much in carpentry than he does now that he
> has a college degree and is working for CPS.

Yet he decided to get a college degree and change his job; and he now
sticks with the new job and doesn't go back to be a carpenter. So it's
quite obvious the "Carpentry's a much nicer job, better paid, and does
not requite to 'lose time' in college" is NOT the whole story. Is it?

Daniela

Deb Lewis

***So it's quite obvious the "Carpentry's a much nicer job, better paid,
and does
not requite to 'lose time' in college" is NOT the whole story. Is it?***

Where did you get this quote?

Because what Holly wrote was this: "Dh made about 3 times as much in
carpentry than he does now that he
has a college degree and is working for CPS."

It's possible a person can work at a good paying job but not be in love
with it. It's possible a person can love the work at a place that
doesn't pay as well.

Deb Lewis

pam sorooshian

I know someone (unschooling parent) who has advanced college degrees,
was a university professor for years. Quit that and works doing
carpentry because he makes plenty of money and likes the work far more.

-pam

On Nov 23, 2004, at 1:54 AM, Daniela wrote:

>
>> Dh made about 3 times as much in carpentry than he does now that he
>> has a college degree and is working for CPS.
>
> Yet he decided to get a college degree and change his job; and he now
> sticks with the new job and doesn't go back to be a carpenter. So it's
> quite obvious the "Carpentry's a much nicer job, better paid, and does
> not requite to 'lose time' in college" is NOT the whole story. Is it?

Daniela

Deb Lewis wrote:

> It's possible a person can work at a good paying job but not be in love
> with it. It's possible a person can love the work at a place that
> doesn't pay as well.

Of course, Deb, this is quite possible, however the implication that
jobs not requiring college are "more desirable" than jobs requiring
college education is for sure not as simplistic as it could be inferred
from the post (I am sure the original poster did not mean to
oversimplify, but let's not forget that we have a young woman making
decisions on the basis of our posts.)
No one I think mentioned it yet, so, let me mention it... you know, she
does not really have to invest time and money in college in order to get
a Ph. D. or whatever title she needs.... Academic titles are given all
the time to people that haven't followed classes, but are bright,
prepared, and have new ideas. Check out, for example, the story of the
19yr old serbian student that went to NY institute of Technology with
some Yugoslav fellowship, and after a week was already a doctor....
Google "Marko Tasic". Stories like that are not uncommon. By the way, if
your daughter happens to be interested in theoretical physics, tell her
to feel free to contact me in pvt.

Daniela

Holly Furgason

No, it's not the whole story. There's a whole lot of personal stuff
there but this is where we are (though we never planned to be here)
and we're happy with our life or we would change it. I think the
moral of the story is, do what you want to do and sometimes what you
have to do then make the the best of it because there is no one right
choice.

Holly
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--- In [email protected], Daniela
<daniela_daniela@l...> wrote:
>
> > Dh made about 3 times as much in carpentry than he does now that
he
> > has a college degree and is working for CPS.
>
> Yet he decided to get a college degree and change his job; and he
now
> sticks with the new job and doesn't go back to be a carpenter. So
it's
> quite obvious the "Carpentry's a much nicer job, better paid, and
does
> not requite to 'lose time' in college" is NOT the whole story. Is
it?
>
> Daniela

Holly Furgason

--- In [email protected], Deb Lewis
<ddzimlew@j...> wrote:

> Because what Holly wrote was this: "Dh made about 3 times as
much in
> carpentry than he does now that he
> has a college degree and is working for CPS."

Yes, it was just a fact. I didn't state whether it was good or bad.

> It's possible a person can work at a good paying job but not be in
love
> with it. It's possible a person can love the work at a place that
> doesn't pay as well.

Unfortunately, he loves carpentry. He is such a gifted carpenter and
I used to go to his job site just to watch him work. It was like
dancing- so graceful and such a turn on. :-) But, like I said in my
last post, circumstances have brought us here and our needs, more
than just financial, are being met. He can still build on the side
and I can still watch him.

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In a message dated 11/23/04 9:27:35 AM, daniela_daniela@... writes:

<< So it's
quite obvious the "Carpentry's a much nicer job, better paid, and does
not requite to 'lose time' in college" is NOT the whole story. Is it? >>

Nothing in anyone's life is ever "the whole story," is it?

The most academically talented friend I have studied science, because that's
what is prized among the academically minded. She was in San Francisco,
working on a master's degree in medical research when she took a part-time job
refinishing antique furniture. It was pretty much the first time she had ever
done anything that didn't involve books and numbers or literature (her dad is an
expert on Ben Jonson and his contemporaries, so she had grown up immersed in
Elizabethan and Jacobean theatre stuff). She LOVED it. It changed her life.
She dropped out of grad school and took whole new paths.

Her life is pretty wonderful, though the job she has now has nothing to do
with her degree from Wellesley (or whatever hotshot college it was from which
she got her undergrad degree). She has beautifully restored and decorated the
1895ish adobe farm house her dad bought in 1970, which had been a speakeasy
during prohibition, which has been flooded, which has wonderful hardwood floors
in some parts, and beautiful Mexican tilework, and. . . and for money she
teaches people to use computers without fear, and well. She mixes now with
people her first path would never have led her to. Poor people working to get out
of poverty, who apply to county programs, and who learn from Laurie how to
use technology.

Money doesn't buy happiness.
College doesn't guarantee money.

Sandra

Holly Furgason

Here's an essay I wrote as a political statement but that is somewhat
apropos since it deals with what my life has been like despite not
having a college degree or real job. I think it shows that choosing
what to do at given time time in one's life is not an all or nothing
choice.

Between the Cracks
By Holly Furgason

Every time there is a media piece on homeschooling the concern is
raised that some homeschooled children may, without government
oversight, "fall between the cracks".

After reading the latest account I began to think about my own
schooling. You see, I was one who had "fallen between the cracks".
Ironically, it was inside one of the most regulated institutions in
the country and, still, there I was, between the cracks.

During high school I regularly failed my classes only to pass by
acing the exams. I hardly even went to school. I missed 42 days in
one semester. Then I failed my senior year, took two classes in
summer school, failed one of them and had to return to earn my
diploma.

When I registered for my summer school classes after my senior year,
my guidance counselor asked me if I "did drugs". I didn't. Nor did
I drink, smoke, swear or hang out. I had no police record. He was
baffled as to why I had failed and so was I. Now I know that I was
just "between the cracks" where they couldn't reach.

I knew lots of others from school who had also fallen there. Some of
them got into trouble, some dropped out and others just drifted from
view. We were all there between the cracks for many reasons. Some,
like me, were just bored and didn't care about school. Others lived
the horrors of abuse and had no room left in their lives for school.
Many just found other outlets for their time and energy; drugs,
music, employment, motherhood, travel.

I'd have a difficult time trying to figure out what to say to anyone
who would actually recognize me if I went back. You see, I am
still "between the cracks". My life has not been a success in their
terms. I have no college degree, no career and precious little
money. I don't own my own house or even a car.

I do, however, have a marriage of over 20 years, four beautiful
unschooled children (who have been raised right here, between the
cracks). I've spent countless hours volunteering, founded several
organizations and owned three successful businesses. I've grown my
own food including raising and slaughtering poultry. I can spin
wool, weave and sew my own clothes.

I've learned how to play the piano, interpret for the Deaf, and train
dogs. I have been interviewed for radio, television and print. I
was the subject of a cover story for a large urban weekly. I have
directed Shakespeare and developed a love for the opera. I performed
in my first professional theatre production at the age of 38 and
regularly work as a volunteer costumer.

People I don't know contact me for advice and information on a daily
basis. I'm asked to speak to groups that range from political to
educational to religious. I've sat on the boards of charitable
organizations and was a member of the American Library Association.

My writings have been published in small specialty magazines and
large international publications. I developed an innovative foreign
language curriculum for children and was once teaching (very
effectively) over 100 students foreign languages I don't even speak.
I was the January 1997 Daily Didactic Diversion winner at cartalk.com
but never made it to Politically Incorrect.

I've hosted award winning, internationally renowned authors and
recently dined with the mayor of Houston, Texas and a U.S.
Representative. I served a Congressional internship before
congressional internships were considered risky (or is that risqué?)
and I have won two local elections; one as a Democrat and one as a
Republican but I belong to neither party now.

I'm not bragging, mind you. Anybody could do the same and more- that
is as long as they're not caught in the 9-5/carpooling/keeping-up-
with-the-Joneses rut- the world outside the crack. I just wanted to
bring out the point that it's not so bad between the cracks which is
a good thing since no government can prevent anyone from falling
there. It can't prevent it in the institutions it runs and it
definitely can't prevent it in private homes. Indeed, it shouldn't.

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In a message dated 11/23/04 10:50:54 AM, daniela_daniela@... writes:

<< Of course, Deb, this is quite possible, however the implication that

jobs not requiring college are "more desirable" than jobs requiring

college education is for sure not as simplistic as it could be inferred

from the post >>

A simple statement of fact is just that.
If you inferred more, that's your own mind doing a dance, and that's fine too.

There was not an implication that non-college jobs were more desireable.

No one is trying to be simplistic. Brainstorming sessions (such as people
throwing out ideas about what jobs don't need college) are supposed to be just
that--brainstorm. No one is writing a essay with any summary or conclusion or
recommendation. Just ideas and factoids.

-=-I am sure the original poster did not mean to oversimplify. . .-=-

Simply put, her husband changed jobs and the new one pays less.


-=-. . . but let's not forget that we have a young woman making

decisions on the basis of our posts.-=-

"Let's" not assume anyone is making decisions based on ANY one thing.
If someone uses information from this forum as more fodder for her own
decision mill, good.

Decisions to go to college or not are frequently made on the basis of MUCH
less information than this, and rarely with as much balance as the ideas
presented here in just the past day or two.

-=-Check out, for example, the story of the

19yr old serbian student that went to NY institute of Technology with

some Yugoslav fellowship, and after a week was already a doctor....

Google "Marko Tasic". Stories like that are not uncommon. -=-

Yes, they are very UNcommon.

-=-Academic titles are given all

the time to people that haven't followed classes. . ."

"All the time" is quite an overstatement for this.

Sandra

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In a message dated 11/23/04 11:02:42 AM, unschooler@... writes:

<< Here's an essay I wrote >>

Well okay, some people ARE contributing essays to the discussion. <bwg>
I do that too, but a list of jobs isn't an essay, and a simple statement of
experience isn't an essay.

Sandra

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If your daughter is a bookish sort (like me <g>) she might enjoy working
through Herbert Kohl's "The Question is College". It includes a series of
exercises to help figure out what kinds of things a young person might find worth
doing and exploring ways to get into those fields. Very eye opening.

Deborah in IL


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Daniela

I contributed my 2c to the question, which may be discarded of course.
For the original poster, in case the young woman is interested in
theoretical physics, not only she can contact me, but I can name a
number of well-known physics professors that received a ph. d. diploma
in their mailbox. Of course they'd already been hired by universities or
something.... you know, bright people are highly attractive to work
with. I would imagine that unschooled people are brighter than average
and so this will be relevant for them: since, as I said, it happens to a
non-negligible fraction of bright and successful graduates. (Of course
there's plenty of people that finish their ph. d. program only because
they invest a lot of money and aren't very bright or independed-minded,
but we are not talking about that). IMHO, if someone wants to be a
carpenter, fine, if someone wants to be a lawyer, fine as well... she'll
learn everything by herself, pass the bar exam with flying colors, and
be a smart lawyer that has many ideas that other lawyers, that followed
class and books without too much independence of mind, will never have.
IMHO one should not ask oneself "which careers I can do without going to
college?", but feel confident that any topic can be studied (in college,
or out of college; whatever fits best) and if there's legal requirement
for a title, obtaining it is a trivial task for those that have the
abilities. IMHO. I may be wrong.

Daniela

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In a message dated 11/23/04 12:19:56 PM, daniela_daniela@... writes:

<< I can name a
number of well-known physics professors that received a ph. d. diploma
in their mailbox. >>

Well anyone with cash can do that.

I thought you were talking honorary degrees, which tend to be conferred in
ceremonies, not sent in the mail.

-=-IMHO one should not ask oneself "which careers I can do without going to
college?"-=-

Really?
Well someone DID ask, and that's fine.

-=-one should not ask oneself "which careers I can do without going to
college?", but feel confident that any topic can be studied (in college,
or out of college; whatever fits best) and if there's legal requirement
for a title, obtaining it is a trivial task for those that have the
abilities. -=-

I can't tell if you're talking about learning or about getting a piece of
paper.


To suggest to unschoolers that we should encourage confidence that any topic
can be LEARNED (not necessarily just studied) seems to suggest that you
haven't read much about or by unschoolers.

Sandra

Robyn Coburn

<<<<<IMHO one should not ask oneself "which careers I can do without going
to college?", but feel confident that any topic can be studied (in college,
or out of college; whatever fits best) and if there's legal requirement for
a title, obtaining it is a trivial task for those that have the abilities.
IMHO.>>>>>

I'm not convinced that avoiding college altogether was the primary goal of
the original questioner. I got "reducing pressure from others to go to
college right now, by having alternative information" as the intent. Here's
the quote:
<<<< I'd like to give my daughter some information about careers that do not
require a college degree so she can understand that she has options other
than college, and I was hoping some members on this list could suggest a few
resources.>>>>

The point is to have the information and confidence to choose or reject
college mindfully. The mainstream path is that college is essential for
prosperity, and possibly even a guarantee of same. We have examples to show
that neither proposition is always true. The mainstream thinking is that
merely completing any college degree is an indicator of certain personal and
ethical qualities in a person such as perseverance, application, and
seriousness regarding work. Well I guess we have examples to show that is
also sometimes balderdash, and that there are other ways of demonstrating
these attributes.

OTOH going to college for a vocational or personal interest reason that is
important to the student, can make it a wonderful experience. Sometimes
there are facilities and tools that are available to the student that would
be harder to find elsewhere. Sometimes the peer group of like minded and
passionate individuals in the field makes the experience brilliant. I found
both of these facets of college when I went into an area I was passionate
about at the "mature age" (the official designation) of 26, with a very
clear idea of my interests and my educational goals for the course of study
I chose.

I returned to college because I felt a lack of knowledge and skills in
myself, that was holding me back in my career. I found the pace of learning
on the job to be too slow for my own advancement. I had a great time
socially also, but that was not the motivation behind attendance.

Here's what I wrote about my own college history a while ago:

<<<<<I do remember feeling a strong need for education in my mid twenties. I
felt I needed more skills if I wanted to advance as a set/costume designer.
So I went to Technical College specifically for that. First I studied some
Architectural Drafting (in the olden days before CAD)at one place; then I
did some Fashion Illustration and also Pattern Drafting at two others – just
enough for practical purposes. Finally after working for a while, both in
and out of the theater, I returned to University and actually attained a
degree in Theatre Design, discovering both Lighting Design (which I truly
adore) and Film. The feeling of going to college for my own genuine purposes
and really loving it, was so immensely different from going when I first
finished High School, and enrolling in an unfinished Bachelor of Science,
because I felt so pressured by everyone as top of the class to “do something
with my brain”, when all I really wanted was Show Business. (I should add
everyone except my mother, ironically, who much preferred that I go into the
“family business”- musical theater.) Now I am very excited to be writing
feature film scripts.>>>>>

Fact is, I could have continued to work in the theater without the degree,
in different positions, but I was ambitious and wanted to be in charge of my
department(s) sooner. Being motivated and somewhat talented did not make it
a "trivial" enterprise, either. It was actually wonderfully challenging.

I think we can add to the list many positions in all the Performing Arts as
places for employment without a college degree. I don't think I have ever
asked a single person for their college qualifications when interviewing
them for either a theater or film job. You don't need a degree to write
either, although sometimes access to the helpful criticism of the Professors
can be useful.

Robyn L. Coburn


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kayb85

I came across this site today: http://www.whywork.org/ .

They talk about unschooling and college alternatives there too.

Sheila

pam sorooshian

The UnCollege Alternative: Your Guide to Incredible Careers and Amazing
Adventures Outside College
by Danielle Kwatinetz Wood

Not sure if the above has been mentioned - it is really wonderful and
inspiring.

-pam
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