Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion]Unschooling Vs Homeschooling
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In a message dated 11/17/2004 11:35:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
AJTreetop@... writes:
I think it is important for all who object to the public school or private
school
education, however, to strive for unity. Not in beliefs but in purpose.
Without the great numbers of homeschoolers and the political watchdog of
Homeschool Legal Defense, I believe that our liberty to be able to provide
the kind of
education that we want for our children would be in jeopardy.<<<<
It's NO mystery why homeschooling has the stigmas of far-right, submissive,
unsociable creationists. It's BECAUSE of the high profile of H$LDA and its
followers.
These people DO keep their children sequestered from the mainstream----on
purpose! And are happy to be quoted in similar articles whenever possible. They
are recreating their own version of school at home----and beating the
schools at their own game! They revel in testing and proudly show off high test
scores. The mainstream reads about their lack of socialization every few weeks
in the paper, sees tv specials about them sitting around the kitchen table,
and watches the news of these people killing their children.
We are ALL painted with the same brush if we align ourselves with them. The
mainstream is already scared and spooked by them. Their views on evolution and
Halloween and Harry Potter become OUR views. We and our unschooling become
targets for ridicule and more laws restricting our liberties. Our children are
seen as oppressed and lacking in social skills. People post here every few
months about the socialization question BECAUSE of them!
I think it's extremely important for us to distance ourselves from these
people as much as possible. They are endangering our legal rights to unschool
with all their pushing of accountability and testing. They don't want us
representing them any more than we want them representing us----and their numbers
are larger----and they're louder.
Unity will only send us further into their black hole.
~Kelly
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AJTreetop@... writes:
I think it is important for all who object to the public school or private
school
education, however, to strive for unity. Not in beliefs but in purpose.
Without the great numbers of homeschoolers and the political watchdog of
Homeschool Legal Defense, I believe that our liberty to be able to provide
the kind of
education that we want for our children would be in jeopardy.<<<<
It's NO mystery why homeschooling has the stigmas of far-right, submissive,
unsociable creationists. It's BECAUSE of the high profile of H$LDA and its
followers.
These people DO keep their children sequestered from the mainstream----on
purpose! And are happy to be quoted in similar articles whenever possible. They
are recreating their own version of school at home----and beating the
schools at their own game! They revel in testing and proudly show off high test
scores. The mainstream reads about their lack of socialization every few weeks
in the paper, sees tv specials about them sitting around the kitchen table,
and watches the news of these people killing their children.
We are ALL painted with the same brush if we align ourselves with them. The
mainstream is already scared and spooked by them. Their views on evolution and
Halloween and Harry Potter become OUR views. We and our unschooling become
targets for ridicule and more laws restricting our liberties. Our children are
seen as oppressed and lacking in social skills. People post here every few
months about the socialization question BECAUSE of them!
I think it's extremely important for us to distance ourselves from these
people as much as possible. They are endangering our legal rights to unschool
with all their pushing of accountability and testing. They don't want us
representing them any more than we want them representing us----and their numbers
are larger----and they're louder.
Unity will only send us further into their black hole.
~Kelly
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Vicki A. Dennis
"Unity will only send us further into their black hole."
AMEN!!
Harks back to 60s and 70s when so many groups wanted to hide their own beliefs and needs in the guise of "unity". Just meant that they swapped one oppressor for another.
These HSLDA folk are NOT our friends or protectors and they do NOT believe in freedom for anyone.
vicki
AMEN!!
Harks back to 60s and 70s when so many groups wanted to hide their own beliefs and needs in the guise of "unity". Just meant that they swapped one oppressor for another.
These HSLDA folk are NOT our friends or protectors and they do NOT believe in freedom for anyone.
vicki
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From: kbcdlovejo@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion]Unschooling Vs Homeschooling
I think it's extremely important for us to distance ourselves from these
people as much as possible. They are endangering our legal rights to unschool
with all their pushing of accountability and testing. They don't want us
representing them any more than we want them representing us----and their numbers
are larger----and they're louder.
Unity will only send us further into their black hole.
~Kelly
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In a message dated 11/17/2004 11:58:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
is very unfortunate because whether we agree with someone or not that is no
reason to reject them as a person. Often Christians forget that.
I
As for the HSLDA, I was recently introduced to them and I speak from my own
experience. When I thought that I might need an attorney to fight for my
rights to homeschool, they were ready to help and no one questioned me about my
faith. It didn't come up in the discussion at all.
You ask me to ask myself questions like am I an unschooler before I encourage
unity. Forgive me, but I don't understand why. I am learning to unschool my
children. But what has that to do with the fact that whether I homeschool or
unschool, I face opposition to doing things differently from the status quo.
If I don't have my children in school, I am looked at as "different" and
therefore "suspect" and so are you. So there is our common ground. With mutual
respect for each other's rights to be different and who we are we can stand
united when our rights are challenged by those who want us to enroll our children
in school.
Andrea
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Most of the homeschoolers in the U.S. don't want to unite with the likes ofI am sorry that Christian people made you feel so unloved and rejected. That
>
> me.
>
is very unfortunate because whether we agree with someone or not that is no
reason to reject them as a person. Often Christians forget that.
I
As for the HSLDA, I was recently introduced to them and I speak from my own
experience. When I thought that I might need an attorney to fight for my
rights to homeschool, they were ready to help and no one questioned me about my
faith. It didn't come up in the discussion at all.
You ask me to ask myself questions like am I an unschooler before I encourage
unity. Forgive me, but I don't understand why. I am learning to unschool my
children. But what has that to do with the fact that whether I homeschool or
unschool, I face opposition to doing things differently from the status quo.
If I don't have my children in school, I am looked at as "different" and
therefore "suspect" and so are you. So there is our common ground. With mutual
respect for each other's rights to be different and who we are we can stand
united when our rights are challenged by those who want us to enroll our children
in school.
Andrea
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In a message dated 11/19/2004 2:26:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
But, anyway, people here go to CHEA's convention because it is so big -
of the hundreds of speakers, people can avoid the extremists and often
there are those who are offering great information mixed up with the
others. They even have "Christian unschooling" talks - it isn't all
Abeka and so on.<<<<
But if they have 8,000 people show up (Christian or NOT), then they can say,
"See? Our numbers are HUGE!"
It makes it *look* as if "they" outnumber the rest of us! True or not---it's
the *appearance* of large religious homeschooling base.
~Kelly
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
But, anyway, people here go to CHEA's convention because it is so big -
of the hundreds of speakers, people can avoid the extremists and often
there are those who are offering great information mixed up with the
others. They even have "Christian unschooling" talks - it isn't all
Abeka and so on.<<<<
But if they have 8,000 people show up (Christian or NOT), then they can say,
"See? Our numbers are HUGE!"
It makes it *look* as if "they" outnumber the rest of us! True or not---it's
the *appearance* of large religious homeschooling base.
~Kelly
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pam sorooshian
On Nov 19, 2004, at 11:58 AM, kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
AND - even those who are Christian are very very often not in agreement
with HSLDA's political stances (or theology).
Also - many of the people who join HSLDA do not agree with either their
theology or politics, but think they are buying legal insurance or
supporting provision of legal help to other homeschoolers who need it.
Many people who are not at ALL the kind of uber-Christians who give
homeschooling a bad name do join HSLDA. Often that is because their
local or state group IS headed up by people who support HSLDA and they
make membership mandatory.
I really honestly think that these extremists are a small percentage of
the total homeschooling population. They're loud and demanding and
pushy and vocal and agitators and they garner 'followers' who do their
bidding without really thinking things through for themselves and THAT,
to me, is the real problem.
I think those types exist on the other end of the homeschooling
spectrum, too, though. And they gather followers, too, who stop
thinking for themselves.
We all have to be vigilant that we check out facts for ourselves and
don't just repeat stuff we've heard from others.
-pam
> But if they have 8,000 people show up (Christian or NOT), then theyRight.
> can say,
> "See? Our numbers are HUGE!"
>
> It makes it *look* as if "they" outnumber the rest of us! True or
> not---it's
> the *appearance* of large religious homeschooling base.
AND - even those who are Christian are very very often not in agreement
with HSLDA's political stances (or theology).
Also - many of the people who join HSLDA do not agree with either their
theology or politics, but think they are buying legal insurance or
supporting provision of legal help to other homeschoolers who need it.
Many people who are not at ALL the kind of uber-Christians who give
homeschooling a bad name do join HSLDA. Often that is because their
local or state group IS headed up by people who support HSLDA and they
make membership mandatory.
I really honestly think that these extremists are a small percentage of
the total homeschooling population. They're loud and demanding and
pushy and vocal and agitators and they garner 'followers' who do their
bidding without really thinking things through for themselves and THAT,
to me, is the real problem.
I think those types exist on the other end of the homeschooling
spectrum, too, though. And they gather followers, too, who stop
thinking for themselves.
We all have to be vigilant that we check out facts for ourselves and
don't just repeat stuff we've heard from others.
-pam
mamaaj2000
--- In [email protected], pam sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@m...> wrote:
--aj
<pamsoroosh@m...> wrote:
> We all have to be vigilant that we check out facts for ourselvesand
> don't just repeat stuff we've heard from others.Very important. Gee, should we regulate THAT?
--aj