Food Controls?
mamacari78
I am new to the unschooling way, so can you guys please give me an
overview of what the goals are of losing food controls?
My six year old would eat nothing but sugar if I allowed. Would only
buying healthy options be considered "controlling?" I guess I am just
not clear on this point. I don't want my kiddos to develop destructive
eating habits, so I am looking for all the info. possible.
If this subject has already been adequately addressed somewhere else on
this site, please direct me to the place!
Thanks,
Cari
overview of what the goals are of losing food controls?
My six year old would eat nothing but sugar if I allowed. Would only
buying healthy options be considered "controlling?" I guess I am just
not clear on this point. I don't want my kiddos to develop destructive
eating habits, so I am looking for all the info. possible.
If this subject has already been adequately addressed somewhere else on
this site, please direct me to the place!
Thanks,
Cari
Deb
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<mamacari78@y...> wrote:
situation, minus controls? Start slowly, if he asks for a cookie, say
Yes. When he asks for another, say Sure. Want some milk with that?
Don't just say "you can eat whatever you want" that can be disturbing,
confusing and will probably spin out in a way that would have you
saying "see I told you he'd go crazy eating nothing but sugar" and
you'd rein things back into your control again. Which wouldn't solve
anything, you'd be back beyond square one. Kids by their nature do not
want to be in pain, do not want to have stomach aches, do not want to
feel yucky. Right now, you are setting the limits to what his body
gets. He doesn't know how 3 cookies feels because you haven't ever
gotten beyond 2. If he keeps hearing 'eating 3 cookies will make you
sick' and one day he eats 3 cookies and feels fine, then what?
Everything else is in question. Rather, slowly remove the 'special'
status of sugar until it is simply one of many options. I have a 7 yr
old DS who has never had food controls (so it's a slightly different
scenario). I made 4 dozen cookies last night. He at 4 over the course
of about 2 hours and stopped without my saying a word. They were just
sitting there at the table, freely available. Another example from my
DS: he discovered "Swiss Cake Rolls" a couple years ago. He just loved
them. So, I'd buy a box each time I went grocery shopping and he'd
finish them off in a few days. Then they were on sale one week - 5
boxes $5. So I picked up 5 (actually, he was with me so I told him to
grab 5 boxes - he was grinning ear to ear as he stocked our cart with
them). The first box disappeared in a couple days as usual. The next
box a little slower until *I* was taking them in my lunch because he
was done with them, he was satisfied and knew he could have them if he
wanted them in the future.
Yes, definitely keep tasty nutritious stuff on handy and be proactive
about it - often sugary snack foods are a quick easy thing to grab
when hungry. So, rather than let it get to that, bring some cut up
fruit chunks, cheese, 'trail mix', whatever into his range while he's
playing or watching a movie or whatever. But 'healthy' is a somewhat
ambiguous target 'healthy' based on a vegan outlook or an omnivorous
one? for example - rather, maybe try for 'balance' in all things, some
sweets among all the other choices. Make cookies at home rather than
buying them to have more say over the ingredients (like no
hydrogenateds or HFCS or dyes). And, of course, if there are allergies
or food sensitivities, obviously those need to be watched. BUT not
unilaterally. Provide information to your child "let's get this juice
box because that one has ascorbozylifructiholamine and that often
gives you an upset stomach" My DS, having been provided information,
conversationally, not as something to scare or rebuke him ("NO you
can't have that it has additive MNOPQR in it") but rather "I think
you'll feel more comfortable inside you if we get some protein before
you have more cake. How about I get a PBJ?" By discussing, naturally,
not didactically, what various nutrients do, he has a very balanced
idea of what things help him feel good, have energy, etc and what
stuff he might want to go easy on sometimes - he's very particular
especially about sodium (DH is hypertensive)and potassium balances and
about cholesterol and fat levels in foods. We still buy ice cream and
tortilla chips and salsa and I make cookies on a pretty regular basis
and DS, of all of us, has the most balanced attitude of all because no
one food or type of food has been elevated or made forbidden.
Okay, lots of rambling thoughts, hope something makes sense. I think I
should stop now - it's getting toward my bedtime
--Deb
<mamacari78@y...> wrote:
>How do you know this, if the option has never been available in a real
> I am new to the unschooling way, so can you guys please give me an
> overview of what the goals are of losing food controls?
> My six year old would eat nothing but sugar if I allowed. Would only
> buying healthy options be considered "controlling?" I guess I am
>just
> not clear on this point. I don't want my kiddos to develop
>destructive
> eating habits, so I am looking for all the info. possible.
> If this subject has already been adequately addressed somewhere else
>on
> this site, please direct me to the place!
> Thanks,
> Cari
>
situation, minus controls? Start slowly, if he asks for a cookie, say
Yes. When he asks for another, say Sure. Want some milk with that?
Don't just say "you can eat whatever you want" that can be disturbing,
confusing and will probably spin out in a way that would have you
saying "see I told you he'd go crazy eating nothing but sugar" and
you'd rein things back into your control again. Which wouldn't solve
anything, you'd be back beyond square one. Kids by their nature do not
want to be in pain, do not want to have stomach aches, do not want to
feel yucky. Right now, you are setting the limits to what his body
gets. He doesn't know how 3 cookies feels because you haven't ever
gotten beyond 2. If he keeps hearing 'eating 3 cookies will make you
sick' and one day he eats 3 cookies and feels fine, then what?
Everything else is in question. Rather, slowly remove the 'special'
status of sugar until it is simply one of many options. I have a 7 yr
old DS who has never had food controls (so it's a slightly different
scenario). I made 4 dozen cookies last night. He at 4 over the course
of about 2 hours and stopped without my saying a word. They were just
sitting there at the table, freely available. Another example from my
DS: he discovered "Swiss Cake Rolls" a couple years ago. He just loved
them. So, I'd buy a box each time I went grocery shopping and he'd
finish them off in a few days. Then they were on sale one week - 5
boxes $5. So I picked up 5 (actually, he was with me so I told him to
grab 5 boxes - he was grinning ear to ear as he stocked our cart with
them). The first box disappeared in a couple days as usual. The next
box a little slower until *I* was taking them in my lunch because he
was done with them, he was satisfied and knew he could have them if he
wanted them in the future.
Yes, definitely keep tasty nutritious stuff on handy and be proactive
about it - often sugary snack foods are a quick easy thing to grab
when hungry. So, rather than let it get to that, bring some cut up
fruit chunks, cheese, 'trail mix', whatever into his range while he's
playing or watching a movie or whatever. But 'healthy' is a somewhat
ambiguous target 'healthy' based on a vegan outlook or an omnivorous
one? for example - rather, maybe try for 'balance' in all things, some
sweets among all the other choices. Make cookies at home rather than
buying them to have more say over the ingredients (like no
hydrogenateds or HFCS or dyes). And, of course, if there are allergies
or food sensitivities, obviously those need to be watched. BUT not
unilaterally. Provide information to your child "let's get this juice
box because that one has ascorbozylifructiholamine and that often
gives you an upset stomach" My DS, having been provided information,
conversationally, not as something to scare or rebuke him ("NO you
can't have that it has additive MNOPQR in it") but rather "I think
you'll feel more comfortable inside you if we get some protein before
you have more cake. How about I get a PBJ?" By discussing, naturally,
not didactically, what various nutrients do, he has a very balanced
idea of what things help him feel good, have energy, etc and what
stuff he might want to go easy on sometimes - he's very particular
especially about sodium (DH is hypertensive)and potassium balances and
about cholesterol and fat levels in foods. We still buy ice cream and
tortilla chips and salsa and I make cookies on a pretty regular basis
and DS, of all of us, has the most balanced attitude of all because no
one food or type of food has been elevated or made forbidden.
Okay, lots of rambling thoughts, hope something makes sense. I think I
should stop now - it's getting toward my bedtime
--Deb
Lisa H
"The goals of losing food controls"
The goal of not controlling. The goal of not judging choices - when another person has control over their own lives. The goal of our being available to give information on nutrition and knowing that they will learn what works best for their own body and learn to trust their own voices and choices. The goal of our trusting their experimentation and that the outcome exceeds expectations.
I'll tell you a story. My dd had a full day of ice cream. This was following an evening where she fell asleep before getting her icecream dessert as planned. When she woke up in the morning and realized she missed her icecream she was angry. I told her she could have ice cream for breakfast. Her eyes lit up and she said, "really?" - "Sure" was my response. "For breakfast, lunch and dinner and in between, if you want." It was one of those really great joyful unschooling days. From morning till night. Breakfast, lunch, dinner and in between. By the time she got to dinner she declared she wanted "real food" - her words not mine. This was two years ago at age 5. She has asked if she could do this again. The answer is of course yes. She hasn't done this again. I think just knowing she can is enough.
My older dd did go through a period where she asked me to assist her in her food choices. She asked me to say no or yes to her. So i did, based on my own understandings of healthy eating. Her need for me to guide her on this was short lived. She doesn't struggle with food and along with some food that is not nutritious she chooses for herself a very healthy balanced day.
Lisa
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The goal of not controlling. The goal of not judging choices - when another person has control over their own lives. The goal of our being available to give information on nutrition and knowing that they will learn what works best for their own body and learn to trust their own voices and choices. The goal of our trusting their experimentation and that the outcome exceeds expectations.
I'll tell you a story. My dd had a full day of ice cream. This was following an evening where she fell asleep before getting her icecream dessert as planned. When she woke up in the morning and realized she missed her icecream she was angry. I told her she could have ice cream for breakfast. Her eyes lit up and she said, "really?" - "Sure" was my response. "For breakfast, lunch and dinner and in between, if you want." It was one of those really great joyful unschooling days. From morning till night. Breakfast, lunch, dinner and in between. By the time she got to dinner she declared she wanted "real food" - her words not mine. This was two years ago at age 5. She has asked if she could do this again. The answer is of course yes. She hasn't done this again. I think just knowing she can is enough.
My older dd did go through a period where she asked me to assist her in her food choices. She asked me to say no or yes to her. So i did, based on my own understandings of healthy eating. Her need for me to guide her on this was short lived. She doesn't struggle with food and along with some food that is not nutritious she chooses for herself a very healthy balanced day.
Lisa
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From: mamacari78 <mamacari78@...>
I am new to the unschooling way, so can you guys please give me an
overview of what the goals are of losing food controls?
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The "goal" of giving up food controls is a child who knows when he is hungry and what food he
needs right now to keep him healthy and running. The "goal" of giving up bedtime controls is a child who
knows when he is tired and sleeps because he needs rest and wakes when he is rested.
Many of us radical unschoolers have made this HUGE leap and have found that it DOES, in fact, work (in a
healthy child! Disclaimer: some people have problems regulating food and cannot wind down due to some
chemical or genetic imbalance or diosorder.)!
Many (most?) of us had our lives proscribed *for* us---school determined when we would eat, when we would
sleep, when we would wake. When we allow our children to learn to listen to their bodies, they learn how
to tell when they need protien or water or a nap. They learn to "read" their bodies.
Great goal.
-=-=-=-
My six year old would eat nothing but sugar if I allowed.
-=-=-
I'll bet you $20 this wouldn't happen---starting ....NOW!
-=-=-=
Would only
buying healthy options be considered "controlling?" I guess I am just
not clear on this point. I don't want my kiddos to develop destructive
eating habits, so I am looking for all the info. possible.
-=-=-=-
Yes. Because how will they learn to make those choices? They're already made FOR them.
Offer everything as equal. Make a "monkey platter" of sliced meat, cheese chunks, crackers, grapes,
carrots with ranch dip, apple slices, peanut butter on vanilla wafers, chips with guacamole, some
steamed edamame, and little unwrapped Hershey kisses. Big platter with all those things---equally available.
They will probably eat the kisses first. <g> But chances are they will eat everything else too.
-=-=-=-
If this subject has already been adequately addressed somewhere else on
this site, please direct me to the place!
-=-=-=-
www.SandraDodd.com/unschooling Just poke around!
~Kelly
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From: mamacari78 <mamacari78@...>
I am new to the unschooling way, so can you guys please give me an
overview of what the goals are of losing food controls?
-=-=--=
The "goal" of giving up food controls is a child who knows when he is hungry and what food he
needs right now to keep him healthy and running. The "goal" of giving up bedtime controls is a child who
knows when he is tired and sleeps because he needs rest and wakes when he is rested.
Many of us radical unschoolers have made this HUGE leap and have found that it DOES, in fact, work (in a
healthy child! Disclaimer: some people have problems regulating food and cannot wind down due to some
chemical or genetic imbalance or diosorder.)!
Many (most?) of us had our lives proscribed *for* us---school determined when we would eat, when we would
sleep, when we would wake. When we allow our children to learn to listen to their bodies, they learn how
to tell when they need protien or water or a nap. They learn to "read" their bodies.
Great goal.
-=-=-=-
My six year old would eat nothing but sugar if I allowed.
-=-=-
I'll bet you $20 this wouldn't happen---starting ....NOW!
-=-=-=
Would only
buying healthy options be considered "controlling?" I guess I am just
not clear on this point. I don't want my kiddos to develop destructive
eating habits, so I am looking for all the info. possible.
-=-=-=-
Yes. Because how will they learn to make those choices? They're already made FOR them.
Offer everything as equal. Make a "monkey platter" of sliced meat, cheese chunks, crackers, grapes,
carrots with ranch dip, apple slices, peanut butter on vanilla wafers, chips with guacamole, some
steamed edamame, and little unwrapped Hershey kisses. Big platter with all those things---equally available.
They will probably eat the kisses first. <g> But chances are they will eat everything else too.
-=-=-=-
If this subject has already been adequately addressed somewhere else on
this site, please direct me to the place!
-=-=-=-
www.SandraDodd.com/unschooling Just poke around!
~Kelly
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dorothy smith
My daughter enjoys learning by watching videos. We're fortunate that we have a large library that has a good amount of various videos (entertainment, educational, etc.) but we've pretty much seen most of what she is interested in and have waded through the rest.
Does anyone have any good resources to share where we could get (on loan or otherwise) videos such as National Geographic, nonfiction, biographies? We can't afford to join a club to own these.
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>>Does anyone have any good resources to share where we could get (on loan or otherwise) videos such as National Geographic, nonfiction, biographies?>>Have you checked out all the regular fiction videos at the library? National Geographic and biographies are not the only ways to learn.
Does your library do inter library loan? Then you could request more of what you're looking for.
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green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly
alive."
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Netflix has EVERYTHING and you can join for 20 bucks a month and less.
I don't know if it is in your budget - but I would try to find it. We
love it!
Amy
I don't know if it is in your budget - but I would try to find it. We
love it!
Amy
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>>I am new to the unschooling way, so can you guys please give me anoverview of what the goals are of losing food controls?>>
For me the goal is about framing my children's lives so that their decisions are not based on external controls. Whether it's about food or TV or sleep or later on sex or drugs, I want my kids to be comfortable making their own choices. I want them used to listening to their own body, mind, inner voice and intuition. I want them to recognize me and their father as allies who are working in their best interests. I want them to learn to recognize when someone does not have their best interests at heart also.
I have one child who is a teen and one who is almost there. All those horror stories about teen rebellion have just not happened in our house. Sure someone will get moody or balk at the occasional request, but more often than not they're really nice to be with. We don't have big fights in our home. I really *like* them both. They've had practice at making their own *real* choices for years. They've been able to choose what and when to eat, when and where to sleep, what to buy, what and how much to read or watch on TV, etc. As such they're ready to tackle the big issues now with some reasoning tools in their emotional toolbox. They also know they can honestly come talk to me without getting shutdown by what I think of the choices they're struggling with.
That's the goal. The open ended, trusting relationship we have now. I think that's a direct result of my NOT controlling them all these years.
--
~Mary, unschooling mom to Conor (16) and Casey (11)
"Just today I'm going to be utterly present for my children, I'm going to be in their world (not just doing my own thing while they do theirs), I'm going to really hear them, I'm going to prepare myself to be present starting right now."
~Ren Allen
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Deb Lewis
***Does anyone have any good resources to share where we could get (on
loan or otherwise) videos such as National Geographic, nonfiction,
biographies? ***
She could do a Google search for the kind of videos that interest her.
She can read the little blurbs about the videos and if they sound
appealing, copy the info. - title, director, producer, whatever and take
her list to your librarian. She can get them through interlibrary loan.
Also you can search the library database on-line and your daughter could
do a media search and request the videos herself.
Dylan has been watching every movie ever made based on (and some very
loosely based on...shamefully, loosely based on<bwg>) Edgar Allen Poe
stories and poems and H.P. Lovecraft stories. And every movie directed
by Dario Argento (expanding now to movies produced and co produced and
based on stories by) Dario Argento. Scores of movies. I had NO idea.
AND because Dario Argento also worked with Sergio Leone Dylan has also
discovered Spaghetti Westerns. Who knows where that will lead? Clint
Eastwood movies? Charles Bronson? Jason Robards? Jack Elam? Endless
possibilities! <G>
Deb Lewis
loan or otherwise) videos such as National Geographic, nonfiction,
biographies? ***
She could do a Google search for the kind of videos that interest her.
She can read the little blurbs about the videos and if they sound
appealing, copy the info. - title, director, producer, whatever and take
her list to your librarian. She can get them through interlibrary loan.
Also you can search the library database on-line and your daughter could
do a media search and request the videos herself.
Dylan has been watching every movie ever made based on (and some very
loosely based on...shamefully, loosely based on<bwg>) Edgar Allen Poe
stories and poems and H.P. Lovecraft stories. And every movie directed
by Dario Argento (expanding now to movies produced and co produced and
based on stories by) Dario Argento. Scores of movies. I had NO idea.
AND because Dario Argento also worked with Sergio Leone Dylan has also
discovered Spaghetti Westerns. Who knows where that will lead? Clint
Eastwood movies? Charles Bronson? Jason Robards? Jack Elam? Endless
possibilities! <G>
Deb Lewis
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>>Dylan has been watching every movie ever made based on (and some veryloosely based on...shamefully, loosely based on<bwg>) Edgar Allen Poe
stories and poems and H.P. Lovecraft stories.>>
Ooh! Conor is currently reading lots of H.P. Lovecraft. I forget how he learned about them. I think it was through a character named Cthulu in an anime or manga series. Jon made the connection to Cthulu in H.P. Lovecraft. We also saw stuff by Lovecraft when we went to the Science Fiction museum in Seattle. Connections, connections...
So what movies did Dylan find?
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~Mary, unschooling mom to Conor (16) and Casey (11)
"Just today I'm going to be utterly present for my children, I'm going to be in their world (not just doing my own thing while they do theirs), I'm going to really hear them, I'm going to prepare myself to be present starting right now."
~Ren Allen
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O. Kay Mardesich
Mary: I totally agree. My almost 12 yo dd is wonderful to be with. We have had a couple of days here and there of moodness, but she is fun to be around. I'm looking forward to the teen years, shopping, playing video games and just sitting down and chatting. I hope we will continue to grow as great friends and always talk no matter what the subject.
zenmomma@... wrote:
For me the goal is about framing my children's lives so that their decisions are not based on external controls. Whether it's about food or TV or sleep or later on sex or drugs, I want my kids to be comfortable making their own choices. I want them used to listening to their own body, mind, inner voice and intuition. I want them to recognize me and their father as allies who are working in their best interests. I want them to learn to recognize when someone does not have their best interests at heart also.
I have one child who is a teen and one who is almost there. All those horror stories about teen rebellion have just not happened in our house. Sure someone will get moody or balk at the occasional request, but more often than not they're really nice to be with. We don't have big fights in our home. I really *like* them both. They've had practice at making their own *real* choices for years. They've been able to choose what and when to eat, when and where to sleep, what to buy, what and how much to read or watch on TV, etc. As such they're ready to tackle the big issues now with some reasoning tools in their emotional toolbox. They also know they can honestly come talk to me without getting shutdown by what I think of the choices they're struggling with.
That's the goal. The open ended, trusting relationship we have now. I think that's a direct result of my NOT controlling them all these years.
--
~Mary, unschooling mom to Conor (16) and Casey (11)
"Just today I'm going to be utterly present for my children, I'm going to be in their world (not just doing my own thing while they do theirs), I'm going to really hear them, I'm going to prepare myself to be present starting right now."
~Ren Allen
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zenmomma@... wrote:
>>I am new to the unschooling way, so can you guys please give me anoverview of what the goals are of losing food controls?>>
For me the goal is about framing my children's lives so that their decisions are not based on external controls. Whether it's about food or TV or sleep or later on sex or drugs, I want my kids to be comfortable making their own choices. I want them used to listening to their own body, mind, inner voice and intuition. I want them to recognize me and their father as allies who are working in their best interests. I want them to learn to recognize when someone does not have their best interests at heart also.
I have one child who is a teen and one who is almost there. All those horror stories about teen rebellion have just not happened in our house. Sure someone will get moody or balk at the occasional request, but more often than not they're really nice to be with. We don't have big fights in our home. I really *like* them both. They've had practice at making their own *real* choices for years. They've been able to choose what and when to eat, when and where to sleep, what to buy, what and how much to read or watch on TV, etc. As such they're ready to tackle the big issues now with some reasoning tools in their emotional toolbox. They also know they can honestly come talk to me without getting shutdown by what I think of the choices they're struggling with.
That's the goal. The open ended, trusting relationship we have now. I think that's a direct result of my NOT controlling them all these years.
--
~Mary, unschooling mom to Conor (16) and Casey (11)
"Just today I'm going to be utterly present for my children, I'm going to be in their world (not just doing my own thing while they do theirs), I'm going to really hear them, I'm going to prepare myself to be present starting right now."
~Ren Allen
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Deb Lewis
***So what movies did Dylan find?***
Oh, Mary! <beg>
Some of these are so bad (but SO fun.) These are the Lovecraft movies
we've watched so far.
There is a list of Lovecraft movies at
http://www.yankeeclassic.com/miskatonic/dcommunications/films/thefilms00.
htm
And there's a Lovecraft Film Festival in Portland that we hope to attend
this fall. Not too far from you!
"Die, Monster Die" Directed by Daniel Helter (?) (Staring Boris Karlof!)
Based on "The Color Out of Space."
"The Dunwich Horror" Directed by Daniel Helter, Staring Dean Stockewll
and Sandra Dee. Based on "The Dunwich Horror."
"The Haunted Palace" aka "Edgar Allen Poe's The Haunted Palace" Directed
by Roger Corman, Staring Vincent Price, based on "The Case of Charles
Dexter Ward" (Very loosely based on the Poe poem "The Haunted Palace." )
"Re-Animator" Directed by Stuart Gordon, based on "Herbert West -
Reanimator."
"Bride of Re-Animator" based on "Herbert West - Reanimator."
"Beyond Re-Animator" Directed by Brian Yuzna, based on "Herbert West -
Reanimator."
"Imperfect Solution" aka "Cry of the Cadaver: A Tale of the Re-Animator"
Directed by Christian Matzke based on "Herbert West - Reanimator."
"From Beyond" Directed by Stuart Gordon, based on "From Beyond"
"Castle Freak" Directed by Stuart Gordon, based on "The Outsider."
"The Crimson Cult" Directed by Vernon Sewell (Starring Boris Karlof !)
and Christopher Lee (also know by many other titles) based on
"The Evil Dead," "The Evil Dead 2," "Army of Darkness" Directed by Sam
Raimi, not based on any particular story but with Lovecraftian ideas, ie.
the Necronomicon.
"Caltiki, the Immortal Monster" Directed by Mario Bava loose Lovecrafty
connections
"The Curse" Directed by David Keith based on "The Color Out of Space"
(really awful)
"The Unnamable" Directed by Jean-Paul Ouellette, based on "The Unnamable"
(not as bad as The Curse but not good, either. <g>)
"The Unnamable II, Directed by Brian Yuzna , based on "The Statement of
Randolf Carter"
"The Reserrected" Directed by Dan O'Bannon, based on "The Case of Charles
Dexter Ward."
"The Necronomicon" Directed by Brian Yuzna, anthology based on "Cool Air"
"The Rats in the Walls" and "Whisperer in the Darkness" (really awful<g>)
"Lurking Fear" Directed by C. Courtney Joyner, based on "The Lurking
Fear."
"In the Mouth of Madness" Directed by John Carpenter, the title suggests
it's based on "At the Mountains of Madness" but it's not really based on
any particular story. More based on the weird idea cult followers of
Lovecraft have that he wasn't writing fiction but writng
truth/future/past events. (kinda crazy, not a good movie, but stars Sam
Neil who's very cute.)
"Bleeders" aka "Descendant" Directed by Peter Svatek, not based on the
Lovecraft story "The Descendant" but more based on "The Lurking Fear."
"Dagon" Directed by Stuart Gordon, based on "Dagon" and partly based on
"The Shadow over Insmouth."
"The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath" animated, Directed by Edward Martin
III, based on story by same title.
"The Trollenberg Terror" aka "The Crawling Eye" Directed by Quentin
Lawrence not sure what story this one's based on...
"The Dark Intruder" Directed by Harvey Hart , not based on a particular
story but Lovecrafty-ish. <g>
"The Shuttered Room" aka "Blood Island" Directed by David Greene, loosely
based on an unfinished story by Lovecraft/August Derleth---can't
remember the name..sorry. : /
"The Alien Terror" aka "The Incredible Invasion" Directed by Jos� Luis
Gonz�lez de Le�n, Staring Boris Karlof! Possibly loosely based on "The
Whisperer In the Darkness" Really weird. Sort of reminded me of the
"Shade the Changing Man" idea, Alien inhabits the body of a serial
killer. Hmmm.
"Equinox" aka "The Beast" Directed by Jack Woods, not based on any
particular story, just Lovecrafty.
"Berkeley Square" Directed by Frank Lloyd, based loosely on "The Case of
Charles Dexter Ward."
Deb Lewis
Oh, Mary! <beg>
Some of these are so bad (but SO fun.) These are the Lovecraft movies
we've watched so far.
There is a list of Lovecraft movies at
http://www.yankeeclassic.com/miskatonic/dcommunications/films/thefilms00.
htm
And there's a Lovecraft Film Festival in Portland that we hope to attend
this fall. Not too far from you!
"Die, Monster Die" Directed by Daniel Helter (?) (Staring Boris Karlof!)
Based on "The Color Out of Space."
"The Dunwich Horror" Directed by Daniel Helter, Staring Dean Stockewll
and Sandra Dee. Based on "The Dunwich Horror."
"The Haunted Palace" aka "Edgar Allen Poe's The Haunted Palace" Directed
by Roger Corman, Staring Vincent Price, based on "The Case of Charles
Dexter Ward" (Very loosely based on the Poe poem "The Haunted Palace." )
"Re-Animator" Directed by Stuart Gordon, based on "Herbert West -
Reanimator."
"Bride of Re-Animator" based on "Herbert West - Reanimator."
"Beyond Re-Animator" Directed by Brian Yuzna, based on "Herbert West -
Reanimator."
"Imperfect Solution" aka "Cry of the Cadaver: A Tale of the Re-Animator"
Directed by Christian Matzke based on "Herbert West - Reanimator."
"From Beyond" Directed by Stuart Gordon, based on "From Beyond"
"Castle Freak" Directed by Stuart Gordon, based on "The Outsider."
"The Crimson Cult" Directed by Vernon Sewell (Starring Boris Karlof !)
and Christopher Lee (also know by many other titles) based on
"The Evil Dead," "The Evil Dead 2," "Army of Darkness" Directed by Sam
Raimi, not based on any particular story but with Lovecraftian ideas, ie.
the Necronomicon.
"Caltiki, the Immortal Monster" Directed by Mario Bava loose Lovecrafty
connections
"The Curse" Directed by David Keith based on "The Color Out of Space"
(really awful)
"The Unnamable" Directed by Jean-Paul Ouellette, based on "The Unnamable"
(not as bad as The Curse but not good, either. <g>)
"The Unnamable II, Directed by Brian Yuzna , based on "The Statement of
Randolf Carter"
"The Reserrected" Directed by Dan O'Bannon, based on "The Case of Charles
Dexter Ward."
"The Necronomicon" Directed by Brian Yuzna, anthology based on "Cool Air"
"The Rats in the Walls" and "Whisperer in the Darkness" (really awful<g>)
"Lurking Fear" Directed by C. Courtney Joyner, based on "The Lurking
Fear."
"In the Mouth of Madness" Directed by John Carpenter, the title suggests
it's based on "At the Mountains of Madness" but it's not really based on
any particular story. More based on the weird idea cult followers of
Lovecraft have that he wasn't writing fiction but writng
truth/future/past events. (kinda crazy, not a good movie, but stars Sam
Neil who's very cute.)
"Bleeders" aka "Descendant" Directed by Peter Svatek, not based on the
Lovecraft story "The Descendant" but more based on "The Lurking Fear."
"Dagon" Directed by Stuart Gordon, based on "Dagon" and partly based on
"The Shadow over Insmouth."
"The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath" animated, Directed by Edward Martin
III, based on story by same title.
"The Trollenberg Terror" aka "The Crawling Eye" Directed by Quentin
Lawrence not sure what story this one's based on...
"The Dark Intruder" Directed by Harvey Hart , not based on a particular
story but Lovecrafty-ish. <g>
"The Shuttered Room" aka "Blood Island" Directed by David Greene, loosely
based on an unfinished story by Lovecraft/August Derleth---can't
remember the name..sorry. : /
"The Alien Terror" aka "The Incredible Invasion" Directed by Jos� Luis
Gonz�lez de Le�n, Staring Boris Karlof! Possibly loosely based on "The
Whisperer In the Darkness" Really weird. Sort of reminded me of the
"Shade the Changing Man" idea, Alien inhabits the body of a serial
killer. Hmmm.
"Equinox" aka "The Beast" Directed by Jack Woods, not based on any
particular story, just Lovecrafty.
"Berkeley Square" Directed by Frank Lloyd, based loosely on "The Case of
Charles Dexter Ward."
Deb Lewis
[email protected]
Hello,
I'm new here, haven't introduced myself yet but will soon! (I'm on the run
right now.)
Here is the website to a lending library. Not sure where you are from,
unfortunately, it is only available to individuals in Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky,
Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin. I thought I would throw it out there just the
same for those of you who are in these areas that might be interested.
It's free to join, free to order and free shipping too! They even send you
return packaging envelope, sometimes asking you to send the old one back for
recycling! Simple, easy and FREE. Warning, there are curriculums (eek)! with some
of the products but we just set those aside <G> and enjoy the film, software,
etc.
<A HREF="http://www.hepn.com/library/content/">Welcome to Freshwater Fred's Lending Library!</A>
Been enjoying this group and learning a ton! Thanks to all of you!
Nancy
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I'm new here, haven't introduced myself yet but will soon! (I'm on the run
right now.)
Here is the website to a lending library. Not sure where you are from,
unfortunately, it is only available to individuals in Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky,
Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin. I thought I would throw it out there just the
same for those of you who are in these areas that might be interested.
It's free to join, free to order and free shipping too! They even send you
return packaging envelope, sometimes asking you to send the old one back for
recycling! Simple, easy and FREE. Warning, there are curriculums (eek)! with some
of the products but we just set those aside <G> and enjoy the film, software,
etc.
<A HREF="http://www.hepn.com/library/content/">Welcome to Freshwater Fred's Lending Library!</A>
Been enjoying this group and learning a ton! Thanks to all of you!
Nancy
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Mother Earth (Tyra)
Hey Cari!
When I joined this list it is because I wanted to learn more about and receive support for my decision to help my children learn through unschooling. However, once I arrived I found out that many people in this group have extended unschooling to all areas of their lives. Of course we know that unschooling is all about allowing children learn in the way that is most comfortable to them with us as parents supporting them and connecting with them through their interests. Unschooling is really all about trust. So, why not trust the children in all areas of their lives to include what they eat? I had hang ups about TV and junk food when I first joined. What was told to me was to not control what your children eat and how much TV they watch. I thought, WHAT! All Khalfani, ds1, wants to eat is junk and all he wants to do is binge on TV. It was right around Halloween that I met this great group of people so I started with Halloween candy we started because Khalfani was asking every few minutes if he could have some. So, I allowed Khalfani and Kamau to eat candy whenever they wanted. I left the bag down and they came and went as they pleased. It was killing me but I figured that I had nothing to lose by trying out the suggestion of losing parental controls on TV and food. Khalfani ate so much candy that day that he got sick. I know it is because he has never had freedom to eat sugar however he wants. As a matter of fact, I have always been anti sugar because I struggle to not eat so much of it.
From that day on though Khalfani has self-regulated. I like the way I have heard others talk about sweets and junk, they place no value of it in comparison to other food. As a result, it does not stand out to the child. But by us controlling what they eat, it makes them hyperfocus on that particular food. I also don't like controlling what children eat because I feel that it turns off their ability to self-regulate. If they have to depend on us to decide what they eat for many years, then how can we expect them to know how to do so once we relinquish control back to them? Since extending the unschooling philosophy to eating and TV, it is a nonissue. Sometimes my children awaken and ask for ice cream. I give it to them and don't think twice about it because in the same vein, they will also eventually ask for something that does not fall into the sugar or junk categories. Some days they eat little junk and other days they eat a lot. I no longer focus on it and they do self-regulate.
For people who are particularly health conscious, it can make you crazy initially. I don't try to limit the amount of junk or sweets that we have in the house. It is almost impossible to do with Craig here, who by the way, does a great job of self-regulating. I am the one who has eating issues. But, I find that when we have junk and don't limit the children, the junk food stays around way longer and is now being thrown away because it spoils. I do offer all types of food throughout the day which satisfies the health nut in me but I always ask them what they want to eat, especially Khalfani, because he has the most sensitive palate in the house. Kamau is way more open to eating other foods.
I will say that it has taken time for me to see how it all balances out when we allow our children to follow their own inner knowing. The other benefit that I find is that is allows me more time to enjoy my children rather than trying to regulate areas of their lives that they are fully capable of handling now. These children were programmed with an infinite amount of wisdom and the only way we can fully see this wisdom is to allow them to be.
Much Love to you
Tyra
When I joined this list it is because I wanted to learn more about and receive support for my decision to help my children learn through unschooling. However, once I arrived I found out that many people in this group have extended unschooling to all areas of their lives. Of course we know that unschooling is all about allowing children learn in the way that is most comfortable to them with us as parents supporting them and connecting with them through their interests. Unschooling is really all about trust. So, why not trust the children in all areas of their lives to include what they eat? I had hang ups about TV and junk food when I first joined. What was told to me was to not control what your children eat and how much TV they watch. I thought, WHAT! All Khalfani, ds1, wants to eat is junk and all he wants to do is binge on TV. It was right around Halloween that I met this great group of people so I started with Halloween candy we started because Khalfani was asking every few minutes if he could have some. So, I allowed Khalfani and Kamau to eat candy whenever they wanted. I left the bag down and they came and went as they pleased. It was killing me but I figured that I had nothing to lose by trying out the suggestion of losing parental controls on TV and food. Khalfani ate so much candy that day that he got sick. I know it is because he has never had freedom to eat sugar however he wants. As a matter of fact, I have always been anti sugar because I struggle to not eat so much of it.
From that day on though Khalfani has self-regulated. I like the way I have heard others talk about sweets and junk, they place no value of it in comparison to other food. As a result, it does not stand out to the child. But by us controlling what they eat, it makes them hyperfocus on that particular food. I also don't like controlling what children eat because I feel that it turns off their ability to self-regulate. If they have to depend on us to decide what they eat for many years, then how can we expect them to know how to do so once we relinquish control back to them? Since extending the unschooling philosophy to eating and TV, it is a nonissue. Sometimes my children awaken and ask for ice cream. I give it to them and don't think twice about it because in the same vein, they will also eventually ask for something that does not fall into the sugar or junk categories. Some days they eat little junk and other days they eat a lot. I no longer focus on it and they do self-regulate.
For people who are particularly health conscious, it can make you crazy initially. I don't try to limit the amount of junk or sweets that we have in the house. It is almost impossible to do with Craig here, who by the way, does a great job of self-regulating. I am the one who has eating issues. But, I find that when we have junk and don't limit the children, the junk food stays around way longer and is now being thrown away because it spoils. I do offer all types of food throughout the day which satisfies the health nut in me but I always ask them what they want to eat, especially Khalfani, because he has the most sensitive palate in the house. Kamau is way more open to eating other foods.
I will say that it has taken time for me to see how it all balances out when we allow our children to follow their own inner knowing. The other benefit that I find is that is allows me more time to enjoy my children rather than trying to regulate areas of their lives that they are fully capable of handling now. These children were programmed with an infinite amount of wisdom and the only way we can fully see this wisdom is to allow them to be.
Much Love to you
Tyra
----- Original Message -----
From: mamacari78
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:28 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Food Controls?
I am new to the unschooling way, so can you guys please give me an
overview of what the goals are of losing food controls?
My six year old would eat nothing but sugar if I allowed. Would only
buying healthy options be considered "controlling?" I guess I am just
not clear on this point. I don't want my kiddos to develop destructive
eating habits, so I am looking for all the info. possible.
If this subject has already been adequately addressed somewhere else on
this site, please direct me to the place!
Thanks,
Cari
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S Drag-teine
There is Netflix which has a large collection of documentaries, biographies,
science programs and special interests. I have also seen a similar program
online that is all educational DVDs but I don't remember the name or link.
Shannon
~>|<~.~>|<~.~>|<~.~>|<~.~>|<~.~>|<~
I'm glad we switched!
We are now safer and healthier, using toxic-free products and saving money,
too.
Call (212) 990-6214 for a 10 minute prerecorded presentation or contact me
directly.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dorothy smith
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 4:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Videos
My daughter enjoys learning by watching videos. We're fortunate that we have
a large library that has a good amount of various videos (entertainment,
educational, etc.) but we've pretty much seen most of what she is interested
in and have waded through the rest.
Does anyone have any good resources to share where we could get (on loan
or otherwise) videos such as National Geographic, nonfiction, biographies?
We can't afford to join a club to own these.
Thanks
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Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover
Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!
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Yahoo! Groups Links
science programs and special interests. I have also seen a similar program
online that is all educational DVDs but I don't remember the name or link.
Shannon
~>|<~.~>|<~.~>|<~.~>|<~.~>|<~.~>|<~
I'm glad we switched!
We are now safer and healthier, using toxic-free products and saving money,
too.
Call (212) 990-6214 for a 10 minute prerecorded presentation or contact me
directly.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dorothy smith
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 4:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Videos
My daughter enjoys learning by watching videos. We're fortunate that we have
a large library that has a good amount of various videos (entertainment,
educational, etc.) but we've pretty much seen most of what she is interested
in and have waded through the rest.
Does anyone have any good resources to share where we could get (on loan
or otherwise) videos such as National Geographic, nonfiction, biographies?
We can't afford to join a club to own these.
Thanks
---------------------------------
Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover
Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it!
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Yahoo! Groups Links
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/21/2006 1:32:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dragteine@... writes:
There is Netflix which has a large collection of documentaries, biographies,
science programs and special interests. I have also seen a similar program
online that is all educational DVDs but I don't remember the name or link.
******
Mentura, which I guess is now _www.familypass.com_
(http://www.familypass.com) as I just checked the link.
we love Netflix around here!
Leslie in SC
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dragteine@... writes:
There is Netflix which has a large collection of documentaries, biographies,
science programs and special interests. I have also seen a similar program
online that is all educational DVDs but I don't remember the name or link.
******
Mentura, which I guess is now _www.familypass.com_
(http://www.familypass.com) as I just checked the link.
we love Netflix around here!
Leslie in SC
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[email protected]
Have you looked into Netflix? For less than 15 dollars a month, you have unlimited access to a tremendous number of DVDs.
Julie S.
Julie S.
----- Original Message -----
From: dorothy smith <dvf1802@...>
Date: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:06 pm
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Videos
> My daughter enjoys learning by watching videos. We're fortunate
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> rest.
> Does anyone have any good resources to share where we could get
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> nonfiction, biographies? We can't afford to join a club to own
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