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From: umsouhaib keelingcar@...

>How will an unschooled highschool student apply to University? I
have son who is 13. I was thinking of online highschool just to get
the certificate to go to univ. Are there other options? I would
really be interested thanks!
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I received this off-list, but I brought it back on to avoid having to write it twice! <g>

The average high school student's college application looks like this:

SAT
possible ACT
maybe CLEPs
three references from teachers
grades/GPA/rank in class
the actual application
an essay
possibly an interview---more likely at a small school, less likely at a large state university


If Cameron were to apply to college, he would submit a portfolio of what he's been up these last few years (recorded music, art pieces, written work, films). We would meet with the Dean of the college he was applying to. We would request an interview---or three. We would have reference letters from other artists he's worked with---either musically or magically or visually (and some of those are some mighty BIG names in their fields (Skip Pearson, Jeff McBride, Alan Nu, Christian Thee). We would have letters from band members, employers, and professors whose classes he's sat in on. He's travelled extensively: we'd include all that. We'd list his volunteer work in the community. Ben would help him with more of a resume-style application, showing what's he's accomplished.

We would NOT submit a diploma or grades or GPA. He *might* be talked into taking the SAT. but I bet he would talk them OUT of it! <g>

If you're looking at 500 regular schooled applications and ONE unusual one, which one sticks out???

We *could* chose to have his application look like every other one, but that wouldn't get him noticed. BE different! Unlike highschools, colleges LOVE diversity! Make him stand out!

Colleges are recruiting unschoolers now. Unschoolers are overwhelmingly admired by professors who are damned tired of looking at bored, disinterested faces of kids who are in college because that's the next step or because that's just what's expected of them or because they have nothing else to do and have no direction in their lives. UNSCHOOLERS, on the other hand are there by choice---because there's something to pursue. They're bright and energetic students whose love of learning has not been lost. In fact, they've become so wrapped up in what their passions are, they've chosen college to further that knowledge. That makes them great students, whom professors LOVE!

I would just let your 13 year old pursue passions to the nth degree. His portfolio will speak for itself!


~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org


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Ann

kbcdlovejo@... wrote: ----Original Message-----
From: umsouhaib keelingcar@...

>How will an unschooled highschool student apply to University? I
have son who is 13. I was thinking of online highschool just to get
the certificate to go to univ. Are there other options? I would
really be interested thanks!
-=-=-=

I received this off-list, but I brought it back on to avoid having to write it twice! <g>

The average high school student's college application looks like this:

SAT
possible ACT
maybe CLEPs
three references from teachers
grades/GPA/rank in class
the actual application
an essay
possibly an interview---more likely at a small school, less likely at a large state university


*******
My daughter just turned 18 and plans to attend our state's university this fall. In this state it is pretty much about her ACT score. We bought a computer disc and she took an intial practice test so we could just see where we were with it. Her score is already high enough to get into college. She wants to do some of the lessons on the disc to get it up a bit more and we need to go over some math symbols. Her composite score was really good, but her math on its on was kindof low. ONce we do that and I show her a few calculator trick she'll be fine. She has been unschooled since about 6th grade, we were relaxed home schoolers since 4th grade.
We went to a lot of trouble to prepare a port folio with my older daughter, they didn't give it a glance, just looked at the test score and admitted her. I'm sure it varies with different schools in different states. Basically my kids just 'learn that test', take it and go on with their plans.
18 year old is going so she can get involved with the theater department. I think she will have a great time with it. Even if she doesn't bring up the partcular math score, they will still admit her, she will just take an easier math class and work her way up until she fullfills their requirement. She is thinking she may do that anyway, just so it's easier.
Ann




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In a message dated 1/12/2006 5:23:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ann_mv05@... writes:

My daughter just turned 18 and plans to attend our state's university this
fall. In this state it is pretty much about her ACT score. We bought a
computer disc and she took an intial practice test so we could just see where we
were with it. Her score is already high enough to get into college. She
wants to do some of the lessons on the disc to get it up a bit more and we need
to go over some math symbols. Her composite score was really good, but her
math on its on was kindof low. ONce we do that and I show her a few
calculator trick she'll be fine. She has been unschooled since about 6th grade, we
were relaxed home schoolers since 4th grade.
We went to a lot of trouble to prepare a port folio with my older daughter,
they didn't give it a glance, just looked at the test score and admitted her.
I'm sure it varies with different schools in different states. Basically
my kids just 'learn that test', take it and go on with their plans.
18 year old is going so she can get involved with the theater department. I
think she will have a great time with it. Even if she doesn't bring up the
partcular math score, they will still admit her, she will just take an easier
math class and work her way up until she fullfills their requirement. She
is thinking she may do that anyway, just so it's easier.
Ann

From someone who has only unschooled a few years now, this was SO very
encouraging to read! thanks for posting it!
syndi






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but it is well to remember from time to time
that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught."
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jlh44music

> Colleges are recruiting unschoolers now. Unschoolers are
overwhelmingly admired by professors who are damned tired of looking
at bored, disinterested faces of kids who are in college because
that's the next step or because that's just what's expected of them or
because they have nothing else to do and have no direction in their
lives. UNSCHOOLERS, on the other hand are there by choice---because
there's something to pursue. They're bright and energetic students
whose love of learning has not been lost. In fact, they've become so
wrapped up in what their passions are, they've chosen college to
further that knowledge. That makes them great students, whom
professors LOVE!>>>

Thanks for sharing this Kelly. I've been dealing with (MY OWN)
insecurities as we're so new to unschooling, never mind that this is
my dd's first year not in school (also age 13). She's pretty much
done nothing but World of Warcraft since last June, although she HAS
lately said she wants to get out more, SHE feels she's on the computer
too much. Right now I don't see her "impressing" any college with
her independent work ethic (as there isn't one), but I'm forever
hopeful that she will find her niche, be it college or something
else. The love of learning is the thing that I MOST want her to
retain by not being in public school. She's healing still.
Jann

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From: jlh44music <jlh44music@...>


Thanks for sharing this Kelly. I've been dealing with (MY OWN)
insecurities as we're so new to unschooling, never mind that this is
my dd's first year not in school (also age 13). She's pretty much
done nothing but World of Warcraft since last June, although she HAS
lately said she wants to get out more, SHE feels she's on the computer
too much. Right now I don't see her "impressing" any college with
her independent work ethic (as there isn't one), but I'm forever
hopeful that she will find her niche, be it college or something
else. The love of learning is the thing that I MOST want her to
retain by not being in public school. She's healing still.


-=-=-

You're welcome.

But don't worry. Cameron had 18 months of doing nothing but eat, sleep, watch tv, talk on the phone,
and IM with friends before he even started showing the least bit of interest in anything else. It
started slowly until now he just doesn't have enough hours in the day or days in the week to get
everything he wants to do done. Reminder---he came out of school at 12 too.

But he didn't jump out of the box like that! It was ssss---llll---oooo---wwwww going! I was as patient as I
could be (struggling the whole while!). I listened to the experienced unschoolers and kept my mouth shut
as much as I could----my tongue was a mass of teeth marks! <g> I offered and accepted no as an answer to
most (almost ALL!) of my suggestions. But he came out of that murky darkness and gradually did more and
more every month.

He's a radical unschooler now! <g> He even read Rue's book! <bwg> First one EVER cover to cover all by
himself! WooHOO!

Be patient. It's tough. But you can do it!

~KellyKelly LovejoyConference CoordinatorLive and Learn Unschooling Conferencehttp://liveandlearnconference.org


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nrskay

Kelly: you are so encouraging. We have deschooling since April, my
dd is 11. She doesn't want to do anything that remotely looks
like "school". I mean reading, going to the library or writing. She
loves her computer, PS2 games and TV.

She hated school by the time I pulled her out in the middle of 4th
grade. But I did buy some puzzle books from Mindware and she started
getting into them last night while I was asleep. I put them on the
coffee table and she must have found them because they all over the
table and open.

Taking it one day at a time.

Kay

jlh44music

> But don't worry. Cameron had 18 months of doing nothing but eat,
sleep, watch tv, talk on the phone, and IM with friends before he
even started showing the least bit of interest in anything else. It
started slowly until now he just doesn't have enough hours in the
day or days in the week to get everything he wants to do done.
Reminder---he came out of school at 12 too.>>>>

It helps so much to hear of kids who came out of school like my dd.
While I wish we had lived this way from the beginning, we can't
change that and I'm grateful to have found unschooling. (Let me
add: Sleeping until 1PM, eating, listening to the radio while on
the computer, talking with her one good friend (not an
unschooler/homeschooler, lives 25 mins away), watching TV, movies,
IMing friends (and most lately ME, she likes to be able to "talk" to
me about things she's too uncomfortable to say in person on AIM).

> I was as patient as I could be (struggling the whole while!). I
listened to the experienced unschoolers and kept my mouth shut
as much as I could----my tongue was a mass of teeth marks! <g>

I've got my own teeth marks for sure! I check in here regularly
for a dose of "medicine" that keeps me on the right track.

> I offered and accepted no as an answer to most (almost ALL!) of my
suggestions. But he came out of that murky darkness and gradually
did more and more every month.>>>

I hold on to these images and try to have faith that she will find
her way (and I DO believe she will, most of the time, like it said,
it's MY OWN insecurity, which is why I have you guys!)

> He's a radical unschooler now! <g> He even read Rue's book! <bwg>
First one EVER cover to cover all by himself! WooHOO!>>>

Awesome, and a good choice for a first book cover to cover!

> Be patient. It's tough. But you can do it!>>>

Thanks again, I know I can!
Jann (back to lurking)

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>>She doesn't want to do anything that remotely looks
like "school". I mean reading, going to the library or writing. She
loves her computer, PS2 games and TV.>>

What's she doing on the computer? My daughter Casey is 11 and has spent the last 5 months playing Neopets. There's soooooo much going on with that game (and games in general of course). The learning possibilities are amazing. Does your daughter do any games like that?

--
~Mary

"The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the
green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly
alive."

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nrskay

--- In [email protected], zenmomma@c... wrote:
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> >>She doesn't want to do anything that remotely looks
> like "school". I mean reading, going to the library or writing. She
> loves her computer, PS2 games and TV.>>
>
> What's she doing on the computer? My daughter Casey is 11 and has
spent the last 5 months playing Neopets. There's soooooo much going on
with that game (and games in general of course). The learning
possibilities are amazing. Does your daughter do any games like that?
>
> --
> ~Mary
>

Yes, both my dd and I are on neopets. Her neopet name is :
ipodapple13
She always loves meeting new people on line.

Kay

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>>Yes, both my dd and I are on neopets. Her neopet name is :
ipodapple13
She always loves meeting new people on line.>>

Casey is bobo11teen and starshadow112. I'll give her your daughter's info. :o)

--
~Mary

"The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the
green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly
alive."

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nrskay

Cool, maybe they will hookup in the neopets world. I play too but
just the games for points and then I trade them with my dd for some
neopet. Kay



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> --
> ~Mary
>
> "The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the
> green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling
truly
> alive."
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