Another introduction
Ren Allen
Welcome Chuck.
"So you can see I am not totally an unschooler as I believe that
each parent has gifts and talents to bring the picture that
definately make a
positive difference."
I think you'll find that unschoolers believe we all have gifts and
talents that make a difference in the lives of all family members,
but it doesn't equal coercion or forced learning.
" We expect him to eat healthy and excercise each day. We
don't impose any learning situations"
I hope you don't mind me pointing out the contradiction here....if
you make him eat a certain way and exercise, that is an imposition
on his learning in my book! You can still be an unschooler, and hang
onto those kind of parenting styles...I'm certainly not arguing
definition here. But at this list, you will find lots and lots of
advice about trusting children in all areas, not just "educational"
topics.
It's up to all individuals to take what they want from any list of
course, but the advice is geared towards applying unschooling
philosophies to all areas.
Your sons D&D group sounds great..my boys are missing that part of
their life right now since we moved recently.
Ren
"So you can see I am not totally an unschooler as I believe that
each parent has gifts and talents to bring the picture that
definately make a
positive difference."
I think you'll find that unschoolers believe we all have gifts and
talents that make a difference in the lives of all family members,
but it doesn't equal coercion or forced learning.
" We expect him to eat healthy and excercise each day. We
don't impose any learning situations"
I hope you don't mind me pointing out the contradiction here....if
you make him eat a certain way and exercise, that is an imposition
on his learning in my book! You can still be an unschooler, and hang
onto those kind of parenting styles...I'm certainly not arguing
definition here. But at this list, you will find lots and lots of
advice about trusting children in all areas, not just "educational"
topics.
It's up to all individuals to take what they want from any list of
course, but the advice is geared towards applying unschooling
philosophies to all areas.
Your sons D&D group sounds great..my boys are missing that part of
their life right now since we moved recently.
Ren
Chuck Learned
Ren wrote:
I think you'll find that unschoolers believe we all have gifts and
talents that make a difference in the lives of all family members,
but it doesn't equal coercion or forced learning.
The point you are making is certainly the issue worth many conversations and I imagine many great ones have already happened on this list. In most cases, Graham and I sit down and discuss our mutual interest and see if we want to collaborate together. I offer opportunities and he decides. Sometimes his interest lags halfway into the project or when it gets to a point where his skills and abilities are stretched. At this point there can be more gentle nudging onward on my part as I have worked with oodles of kids and I have learned that many have needed that extra external structure and support to get through difficult spots. Its later then upon the projects completion that the children have great pride in accomplishing those difficult tasks, they see it as their victory not mine. I am all for a child to be self internalised in all that they do, however we may disagree on the methods for getting there. For example I have spent endless hours working with kids and adults in challenge adventure education. When a person decides they want to say rapel off a cliff and we have taught them everything they need to know and they really want to do it and now they are at the edge of cliff and fear has frozen them up(as it is not a natural feeling to lean backward into space over a cliff) we don't force them over the edge but we incorporate our knowledge of this child and then utilize what support we can. We try to work them through their fear to a place of trust and safety, sometimes they go over terrified and sometimes crying. It can be the scariest most difficult thing they have ever done and when they are done they are on cloud nine...watch out world here I come. I don't know if that is a good illustration or not however knowing a child and their thinking process and beliefs allows a caring adult to taylor their learning opportunities and sometimes I have found an external structure to be exactly what is needed. I really respect many things about unschooling which is why I am here though honestly I am more of a hybrid unschooler/experiential/challenge educator.
" We expect him to eat healthy and excercise each day. We
don't impose any learning situations"
I hope you don't mind me pointing out the contradiction here....if
you make him eat a certain way and exercise, that is an imposition
on his learning in my book! You can still be an unschooler, and hang
onto those kind of parenting styles...
***I am certainly comfortable with how we are proceeding with our approach to health and fitness. We don't force him to eat anything though we do expect him to eat for example two vegatables with each meal. He can decide what those veggies are. We expect him to exercise each day. Currently we are offering a whole body workout which represents some of the most current research on fitness and health. We do it together as a family, he takes pride in his gaining strength and flexibility. He is not always gun hoe in starting it each day, however by the end of the session he is alert, more fit, and happy and proud to have accomplished it. I have seen plenty of unfit homeschoolers and frankly I believe we have a responsibility to raise our children to be fit and healthy as well as self directed and confident in their abilities. My son gets about one cold per year and it doesn't hang around long. He doesn't get cavities. He has come to enjoy eating healthy, the only time we get flack is when one of his friends are over for dinner and this friend doesn't value eating healthy, then that unhealthy peer dynamic can play out, but its mostly noise.
It's up to all individuals to take what they want from any list of
course, but the advice is geared towards applying unschooling
philosophies to all areas.
You know Ren in my marriage we longer give advice as we have found that neither of us want it. We have come to see that its more interesting and respectful to inspire each other. Believe me this has been a journey to get here and we slip(mostly me) once in awhile. We might share ideas that we are excited about for example when I shared about the plants in my previous posts. However if I determine this to be an advice list I won't be around long.
blessings,
Chuck
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I think you'll find that unschoolers believe we all have gifts and
talents that make a difference in the lives of all family members,
but it doesn't equal coercion or forced learning.
The point you are making is certainly the issue worth many conversations and I imagine many great ones have already happened on this list. In most cases, Graham and I sit down and discuss our mutual interest and see if we want to collaborate together. I offer opportunities and he decides. Sometimes his interest lags halfway into the project or when it gets to a point where his skills and abilities are stretched. At this point there can be more gentle nudging onward on my part as I have worked with oodles of kids and I have learned that many have needed that extra external structure and support to get through difficult spots. Its later then upon the projects completion that the children have great pride in accomplishing those difficult tasks, they see it as their victory not mine. I am all for a child to be self internalised in all that they do, however we may disagree on the methods for getting there. For example I have spent endless hours working with kids and adults in challenge adventure education. When a person decides they want to say rapel off a cliff and we have taught them everything they need to know and they really want to do it and now they are at the edge of cliff and fear has frozen them up(as it is not a natural feeling to lean backward into space over a cliff) we don't force them over the edge but we incorporate our knowledge of this child and then utilize what support we can. We try to work them through their fear to a place of trust and safety, sometimes they go over terrified and sometimes crying. It can be the scariest most difficult thing they have ever done and when they are done they are on cloud nine...watch out world here I come. I don't know if that is a good illustration or not however knowing a child and their thinking process and beliefs allows a caring adult to taylor their learning opportunities and sometimes I have found an external structure to be exactly what is needed. I really respect many things about unschooling which is why I am here though honestly I am more of a hybrid unschooler/experiential/challenge educator.
" We expect him to eat healthy and excercise each day. We
don't impose any learning situations"
I hope you don't mind me pointing out the contradiction here....if
you make him eat a certain way and exercise, that is an imposition
on his learning in my book! You can still be an unschooler, and hang
onto those kind of parenting styles...
***I am certainly comfortable with how we are proceeding with our approach to health and fitness. We don't force him to eat anything though we do expect him to eat for example two vegatables with each meal. He can decide what those veggies are. We expect him to exercise each day. Currently we are offering a whole body workout which represents some of the most current research on fitness and health. We do it together as a family, he takes pride in his gaining strength and flexibility. He is not always gun hoe in starting it each day, however by the end of the session he is alert, more fit, and happy and proud to have accomplished it. I have seen plenty of unfit homeschoolers and frankly I believe we have a responsibility to raise our children to be fit and healthy as well as self directed and confident in their abilities. My son gets about one cold per year and it doesn't hang around long. He doesn't get cavities. He has come to enjoy eating healthy, the only time we get flack is when one of his friends are over for dinner and this friend doesn't value eating healthy, then that unhealthy peer dynamic can play out, but its mostly noise.
It's up to all individuals to take what they want from any list of
course, but the advice is geared towards applying unschooling
philosophies to all areas.
You know Ren in my marriage we longer give advice as we have found that neither of us want it. We have come to see that its more interesting and respectful to inspire each other. Believe me this has been a journey to get here and we slip(mostly me) once in awhile. We might share ideas that we are excited about for example when I shared about the plants in my previous posts. However if I determine this to be an advice list I won't be around long.
blessings,
Chuck
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Ren Allen
"However if I determine this to be an advice list I won't be around
long."
Did you read the guidelines and the introduction?
Here's the list description, right on the front page:
"A list designed for those new to the philosophy of unschooling. Ask
experienced unschoolers all those niggling questions, and find out
how unschooling works in real families.
If you're familiar with John Holt's work, but unsure of how to begin
or what an unschooling day really looks like, this is a place for
you to discuss,question, ponder and become deeply familiar with
natural learning and how it affects our entire lives. From parenting
issues to learning from the whole wide world and beyond, come
explore the issues that unschooling families have dealt with in the
past and how to get beyond "school-think" to a joyful unschooling
lifestyle!"
It's a list designed to help people understand UNschooling.
So yes, it's advice/discussion/ideas etc...designed to help people
understand a specific philosophy.
It's not a support-for-whatever-kind-of-homeschooling-you-do list.
I thought that was pretty clear.
I hope you stick around and read for a while, just to see how other
families have dealt with the same parenting issues and have healthy,
well-rounded, intelligent children without arbitrary limits.
Ren
long."
Did you read the guidelines and the introduction?
Here's the list description, right on the front page:
"A list designed for those new to the philosophy of unschooling. Ask
experienced unschoolers all those niggling questions, and find out
how unschooling works in real families.
If you're familiar with John Holt's work, but unsure of how to begin
or what an unschooling day really looks like, this is a place for
you to discuss,question, ponder and become deeply familiar with
natural learning and how it affects our entire lives. From parenting
issues to learning from the whole wide world and beyond, come
explore the issues that unschooling families have dealt with in the
past and how to get beyond "school-think" to a joyful unschooling
lifestyle!"
It's a list designed to help people understand UNschooling.
So yes, it's advice/discussion/ideas etc...designed to help people
understand a specific philosophy.
It's not a support-for-whatever-kind-of-homeschooling-you-do list.
I thought that was pretty clear.
I hope you stick around and read for a while, just to see how other
families have dealt with the same parenting issues and have healthy,
well-rounded, intelligent children without arbitrary limits.
Ren
Chuck Learned
Ren wrote:
"A list designed for those new to the philosophy of unschooling. Ask
experienced unschoolers all those niggling questions, and find out
how unschooling works in real families.
Ren I would like to stick around. I should have been more clear in my end statement. The notation you put in above gets at what I am trying to say which is yes advice is always welcome when someone "ask for the advice" however when its not asked for then there should be no reason to critique what they are talking about. I say this as a recovering advice giver. Hello my name is Chuck Learned, I am a recovering advice giver, spewing out advice when it wasn't asked for. I have been in recovery for about one year now. I have caused many much grief including myself.
A many a people I have offended and isolated by my zealot passionate opinions when they were not asked for.
So I bring up this topic with much humility, it is so easy to do. Would anyone else like to introduce themselves to the newly formed AGA (Advice Givers Anomymous).
Chuck
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"A list designed for those new to the philosophy of unschooling. Ask
experienced unschoolers all those niggling questions, and find out
how unschooling works in real families.
Ren I would like to stick around. I should have been more clear in my end statement. The notation you put in above gets at what I am trying to say which is yes advice is always welcome when someone "ask for the advice" however when its not asked for then there should be no reason to critique what they are talking about. I say this as a recovering advice giver. Hello my name is Chuck Learned, I am a recovering advice giver, spewing out advice when it wasn't asked for. I have been in recovery for about one year now. I have caused many much grief including myself.
A many a people I have offended and isolated by my zealot passionate opinions when they were not asked for.
So I bring up this topic with much humility, it is so easy to do. Would anyone else like to introduce themselves to the newly formed AGA (Advice Givers Anomymous).
Chuck
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Ren Allen
"I should have been more clear in my end statement. The notation you
put in above gets at what I am trying to say which is yes advice is
always welcome when someone "ask for the advice" however when its
not asked for then there should be no reason to critique what they
are talking about."
I understand what you're saying. This list is very different from
real life though, in the fact that it IS a discussion list, designed
to help people move towards unschooling.
In the guidelines, we state very clearly that unless you're willing
to discuss it, don't post something...because once you post it, it's
open to discussion.
I originally wrote that, from being on lists for years and seeing
where things got off track in the past. People will post something
and another person will comment and upset the first poster because
they weren't "asking for advice".
But at a list, we don't have a choice about what other people choose
to post about, only what WE put out there....so I ask everyone to be
aware that when you post, it's open to discussion.
It's less about advice, than it is about discussion I suppose.
And you will find most anything in opposition to unschooling
philosophy, getting questioned here.:)
On another topic, I googled your name (yeah, I'm snoopy sometimes)
and found that you and your partner are into earth buildings. I
would love for you to post a couple good links on that topic if you
feel so inclined. Some of us are really interested in that sort of
thing.
Ren
put in above gets at what I am trying to say which is yes advice is
always welcome when someone "ask for the advice" however when its
not asked for then there should be no reason to critique what they
are talking about."
I understand what you're saying. This list is very different from
real life though, in the fact that it IS a discussion list, designed
to help people move towards unschooling.
In the guidelines, we state very clearly that unless you're willing
to discuss it, don't post something...because once you post it, it's
open to discussion.
I originally wrote that, from being on lists for years and seeing
where things got off track in the past. People will post something
and another person will comment and upset the first poster because
they weren't "asking for advice".
But at a list, we don't have a choice about what other people choose
to post about, only what WE put out there....so I ask everyone to be
aware that when you post, it's open to discussion.
It's less about advice, than it is about discussion I suppose.
And you will find most anything in opposition to unschooling
philosophy, getting questioned here.:)
On another topic, I googled your name (yeah, I'm snoopy sometimes)
and found that you and your partner are into earth buildings. I
would love for you to post a couple good links on that topic if you
feel so inclined. Some of us are really interested in that sort of
thing.
Ren
Pamela Sorooshian
On Dec 27, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Chuck Learned wrote:
and some of those responses are very likely to be in the form of advice.
In that spirit, I'd advise you to feel free to give advice here,
based on your own personal experience, knowledge, and understanding
of unschooling and to expect to receive advice on whatever you might
choose to bring up for discussion.
-pam
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>I think if you post something here, then you ARE asking for responses
> Ren I would like to stick around. I should have been more clear
> in my end statement. The notation you put in above gets at what I
> am trying to say which is yes advice is always welcome when someone
> "ask for the advice" however when its not asked for then there
> should be no reason to critique what they are talking about.
and some of those responses are very likely to be in the form of advice.
In that spirit, I'd advise you to feel free to give advice here,
based on your own personal experience, knowledge, and understanding
of unschooling and to expect to receive advice on whatever you might
choose to bring up for discussion.
-pam
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helpinghander
> I understand what you're saying. This list is very different fromdesigned to help people move towards unschooling.
> real life though, in the fact that it IS a discussion list,
Maybe this policy should be questioned too as whenever you have an
agenda of convincing people then you are risk of disrespecting them.
The lists I find most satisfying and helpful are ones where they are
set up for people to support each other, share ideas, resources,
hard facts, inspiration and there are no overly aggressive agendas
too convince people. I wonder if the several hundred people on this
list think that this is different than real life.
>willing
> In the guidelines, we state very clearly that unless you're
> to discuss it, don't post something...because once you post it,it's
> open to discussion.something
> I originally wrote that, from being on lists for years and seeing
> where things got off track in the past. People will post
> and another person will comment and upset the first poster becauseWell all I can say is this dynamic you speak of has never been much
> they weren't "asking for advice".
of a problem in my experience, certainly not enough to warrant a
policy such as this.
>This reminds of the approach the fundamental Christians take. They
>> And you will find most anything in opposition to unschooling
> philosophy, getting questioned here.:)
feel impelled to save you and give testimony and there is no room
for wiggle or discension in their view of the world. This usually
makes most of us who don't view things the way they do to move away
from them. I don't agree with you or Pam on this matter, however I
realize I have now taken on the role of discenter which is not very
fun so I have created a poll for the group to respond to. So I will
let it rest and wait for the poll to finish out in January when I
return from a family trip.
>you
> On another topic, I googled your name (yeah, I'm snoopy sometimes)
> and found that you and your partner are into earth buildings. I
> would love for you to post a couple good links on that topic if
> feel so inclined. Some of us are really interested in that sort ofYes I spend much of my time wallowing in mud which gives me lots of
> thing.
time to think about peoples emails. :)
>Chuck
>
Ren Allen
"The lists I find most satisfying and helpful are ones where they
are
set up for people to support each other, share ideas, resources,
hard facts, inspiration and there are no overly aggressive agendas
too convince people. I wonder if the several hundred people on this
list think that this is different than real life."
Then you are free to join those kind of lists, or not. Just like the
620 plus people here are free to be here or not. Apparently what we
are offering is wanted by certain people, or they wouldn't join and
stay for month after month.:)
This list is exactly FOR the purpose of giving advice to people that
WANT to understand unschooling. It is not a support list, it is not
a general discussion list, it has a very specific purpose and the
members that joined expect us to stay true to that purpose. We can't
help people that join for the purpose of recieving information if
we don't keep the list on track.
I don't appreciate the list I've nurtured along, being likened to
fundamental Christians either, since we aren't out trying to convert
anybody. It's just a list. It sits here quiet if nobody is getting
anything useful out of it. Apparently it's helpful for a few hundred
people (and growing).
Fundi Christians are out to beat people over the head whether they
want the info. or not. I started a list, with a very clear purpose
and intent, people are welcome to join or not. I have nothing to
peddle or sell like salvation, I gain nothing from showing people
how unschooling works, other than the satisfaction of hearing about
how their families are more joyful, more peaceful and learning
naturally.
Ren
are
set up for people to support each other, share ideas, resources,
hard facts, inspiration and there are no overly aggressive agendas
too convince people. I wonder if the several hundred people on this
list think that this is different than real life."
Then you are free to join those kind of lists, or not. Just like the
620 plus people here are free to be here or not. Apparently what we
are offering is wanted by certain people, or they wouldn't join and
stay for month after month.:)
This list is exactly FOR the purpose of giving advice to people that
WANT to understand unschooling. It is not a support list, it is not
a general discussion list, it has a very specific purpose and the
members that joined expect us to stay true to that purpose. We can't
help people that join for the purpose of recieving information if
we don't keep the list on track.
I don't appreciate the list I've nurtured along, being likened to
fundamental Christians either, since we aren't out trying to convert
anybody. It's just a list. It sits here quiet if nobody is getting
anything useful out of it. Apparently it's helpful for a few hundred
people (and growing).
Fundi Christians are out to beat people over the head whether they
want the info. or not. I started a list, with a very clear purpose
and intent, people are welcome to join or not. I have nothing to
peddle or sell like salvation, I gain nothing from showing people
how unschooling works, other than the satisfaction of hearing about
how their families are more joyful, more peaceful and learning
naturally.
Ren
[email protected]
>>I don't agree with you or Pam on this matter, however Irealize I have now taken on the role of discenter which is not very
fun so I have created a poll for the group to respond to.>>
How very odd. Why not just unsub and look for another list that better suits your needs?
>> This reminds of the approach the fundamental Christians take. Theyfeel impelled to save you and give testimony and there is no room
for wiggle or discension in their view of the world.>>
Well there's lots of room for discussion here, but you have to be willing to actually discuss things. :o)
If I signed on to a fundamental Christian email list I would expect that they would respond to my emails from a fundamentalist perspective. If the list's objectives were to bring people closer to an understanding of their Christian beliefs, I would expect those beliefs to shine through at every opportunity. If I stated my own personal approach to spirituality, I'd expect question, advice, concern and all sorts of other discussion. That's what their list would be for. For those reasons I would not join such a list or stay on one I stumbled into mistakenly. I'm not a Christian and more importantly I don't want to be one or know anything further about that particular religious lifestyle. I'm not stopping them, I'm just not joining up either.
We're not knocking on people's doors preaching about radical unschooling. We're not standing on streetcorners telling people their kids are going to school hell each day. We're here offering our advice to people who willingly seek out information on unschooling.
>>The lists I find most satisfying and helpful are ones where they areset up for people to support each other, share ideas, resources,
hard facts, inspiration and there are no overly aggressive agendas
too convince people.>>
Then that's what you should have. Seriously and with no malice intended. You could start your own list. It's easy to do on Yahoo. Pam, Ren and others started and maintain this list and you could do the same with the above statment right in the list description. You'd probably get lots of takers and would be happily discussing, sharing and supporting without telling us why this list doesn't suit your needs.
--
~Mary
"The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the
green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly
alive."
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From: "helpinghander" <clearned@...>
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Ren Allen
"I don't agree with you or Pam on this matter, however I
realize I have now taken on the role of discenter which is not very
fun so I have created a poll for the group to respond to. So I will
let it rest and wait for the poll to finish out in January when I
return from a family trip."
The poll has been deleted, anyone that doesn't like the list is free
to stay or leave as they choose. We don't need a poll about how the
list is run, there won't be any members if people don't like it.
Now let's talk about unschooling, shall we?
What has everyone been doing to celebrate the holidays?
We spent all day at the "Hands-On" museum today, then to a pet store.
We came home with a lovely turquoise beta, whose name is "scaly"
according to Sierra.:)
Ren
realize I have now taken on the role of discenter which is not very
fun so I have created a poll for the group to respond to. So I will
let it rest and wait for the poll to finish out in January when I
return from a family trip."
The poll has been deleted, anyone that doesn't like the list is free
to stay or leave as they choose. We don't need a poll about how the
list is run, there won't be any members if people don't like it.
Now let's talk about unschooling, shall we?
What has everyone been doing to celebrate the holidays?
We spent all day at the "Hands-On" museum today, then to a pet store.
We came home with a lovely turquoise beta, whose name is "scaly"
according to Sierra.:)
Ren
April
Christmas Eve and Day were delightfully relaxed and easy going. Yesterday
was spent watching new movies and playing new games. Karl discovered Kate's
collection of Manga (Get Backers series) and has been reading through the
series. I looked high and low for a copy of a computer game we used to have
called Droidworks that Ben vaguely remembered and really wanted for
Christmas, so he's been playing that a lot yesterday and today. Today, I
took everything out of my kitchen cupboards and totally reorganized them.
They've been driving me crazy for weeks and this week I have time to tackle
these kinds of projects. At the moment, the older three have a bunch of
friends over (at last count there are about 14 teens here). Some are playing
Imaginiff and the rest are upstairs watching a movie. Lisa fixed lots of
good food for everyone and everyone is having a good time. Well, everyone
except Larry, our iguana. He climbed on the kitchen table and tried to eat
off the veggie tray. Now, he eats lots of veggies and I'm not particularly
fussy about animals eating off the tray, but he needs them chopped smaller
than the ones on the tray. Poor think just about bit his tongue off trying
to eat a cucumber slice. I finally managed to extract it (without getting
bit, I might add. No easy feat!) and chopped some for him. Then he wanted
to taste the chips so I had to get Kate in here to get him off the table. I
was busy holding plates and bowls to keep him from eating them. He can be
quite determined! He was not very happy with me. So all in all, a very nice
week so far. We are so involved in 4-H and Odyssey of the mind and other
activities that I really enjoy the break. But by next week we'll all be
itching to be busy again!
~April
Mom to Kate-19, Lisa-16, Karl-14, & Ben-10.
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Gandalf the Grey
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ren Allen
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Another introduction
"I don't agree with you or Pam on this matter, however I
realize I have now taken on the role of discenter which is not very
fun so I have created a poll for the group to respond to. So I will
let it rest and wait for the poll to finish out in January when I
return from a family trip."
The poll has been deleted, anyone that doesn't like the list is free
to stay or leave as they choose. We don't need a poll about how the
list is run, there won't be any members if people don't like it.
Now let's talk about unschooling, shall we?
What has everyone been doing to celebrate the holidays?
We spent all day at the "Hands-On" museum today, then to a pet store.
We came home with a lovely turquoise beta, whose name is "scaly"
according to Sierra.:)
Ren
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was spent watching new movies and playing new games. Karl discovered Kate's
collection of Manga (Get Backers series) and has been reading through the
series. I looked high and low for a copy of a computer game we used to have
called Droidworks that Ben vaguely remembered and really wanted for
Christmas, so he's been playing that a lot yesterday and today. Today, I
took everything out of my kitchen cupboards and totally reorganized them.
They've been driving me crazy for weeks and this week I have time to tackle
these kinds of projects. At the moment, the older three have a bunch of
friends over (at last count there are about 14 teens here). Some are playing
Imaginiff and the rest are upstairs watching a movie. Lisa fixed lots of
good food for everyone and everyone is having a good time. Well, everyone
except Larry, our iguana. He climbed on the kitchen table and tried to eat
off the veggie tray. Now, he eats lots of veggies and I'm not particularly
fussy about animals eating off the tray, but he needs them chopped smaller
than the ones on the tray. Poor think just about bit his tongue off trying
to eat a cucumber slice. I finally managed to extract it (without getting
bit, I might add. No easy feat!) and chopped some for him. Then he wanted
to taste the chips so I had to get Kate in here to get him off the table. I
was busy holding plates and bowls to keep him from eating them. He can be
quite determined! He was not very happy with me. So all in all, a very nice
week so far. We are so involved in 4-H and Odyssey of the mind and other
activities that I really enjoy the break. But by next week we'll all be
itching to be busy again!
~April
Mom to Kate-19, Lisa-16, Karl-14, & Ben-10.
*REACH Homeschool Grp, an inclusive group in Oakland County
<http://www.reachhomeschool.com> www.reachhomeschool.com
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michigan_unschoolers/
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"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."
Gandalf the Grey
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ren Allen
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Another introduction
"I don't agree with you or Pam on this matter, however I
realize I have now taken on the role of discenter which is not very
fun so I have created a poll for the group to respond to. So I will
let it rest and wait for the poll to finish out in January when I
return from a family trip."
The poll has been deleted, anyone that doesn't like the list is free
to stay or leave as they choose. We don't need a poll about how the
list is run, there won't be any members if people don't like it.
Now let's talk about unschooling, shall we?
What has everyone been doing to celebrate the holidays?
We spent all day at the "Hands-On" museum today, then to a pet store.
We came home with a lovely turquoise beta, whose name is "scaly"
according to Sierra.:)
Ren
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Joanne
>>>>"Ren Allen" <starsuncloud@c...> wrote:What has everyone been doing to celebrate the holidays?>>>>>
This is our best holiday season yet! It's our third as a family and
this is the most stress-free, relaxed and peaceful one, so far.
We've been staying close to home, just chillin' out. We'll start going
out later in the week for some weekly activites that we haven't been
to since before Christmas. We also have plans to go ice skating.
~ Joanne ~
Mom to Jacqueline (7), Shawna (10) & Cimion (13)
Adopted into our hearts October 30, 2003
http://anunschoolinglife.blogspot.com/
Pamela Sorooshian
On Dec 27, 2005, at 5:52 PM, Ren Allen wrote:
with Mandy Patinkin and Bernadette Peters. Aaaaahhhh - so BEAUTIFUL -
right up your alley, Ren, because it is all about color and light and
connections!!
And that gave me the urge to watch an Iranian movie called, "Gabbeh,"
which is also about color - and about family and aging and life and
love and is truly probably THE most beautiful movie I've ever seen.
So I'm hoping to talk my family into watching that, later tonight.
Here is a little summary, from <imdb.com>:
"Early one morning, an old couple emerge from a hut, she carrying a
gabbeh, a small carpet, that she wove many years ago while waiting
for her husband-to-be to carry her on horseback away from her family
clan. As they wash the gabbeh, it comes to life, telling the old
woman's story of waiting for marriage. We join the clan with its
sheep, the shearing and spinning and dyeing of wool, and the making
of gabbehs. "All life is color," says her poetic, whimsical uncle;
"all life is color," chant the women as one of them gives birth. With
deep focus and landscapes, the film also tells the story of nomadic
life."
-pam
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> Now let's talk about unschooling, shall we?I just finished watching a video of "Sunday in the Park with George"
>
> What has everyone been doing to celebrate the holidays?
with Mandy Patinkin and Bernadette Peters. Aaaaahhhh - so BEAUTIFUL -
right up your alley, Ren, because it is all about color and light and
connections!!
And that gave me the urge to watch an Iranian movie called, "Gabbeh,"
which is also about color - and about family and aging and life and
love and is truly probably THE most beautiful movie I've ever seen.
So I'm hoping to talk my family into watching that, later tonight.
Here is a little summary, from <imdb.com>:
"Early one morning, an old couple emerge from a hut, she carrying a
gabbeh, a small carpet, that she wove many years ago while waiting
for her husband-to-be to carry her on horseback away from her family
clan. As they wash the gabbeh, it comes to life, telling the old
woman's story of waiting for marriage. We join the clan with its
sheep, the shearing and spinning and dyeing of wool, and the making
of gabbehs. "All life is color," says her poetic, whimsical uncle;
"all life is color," chant the women as one of them gives birth. With
deep focus and landscapes, the film also tells the story of nomadic
life."
-pam
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Joanne
--- In [email protected], "April" <abmorris23@c...>
wrote:
<<<everyone except Larry, our iguana. He climbed on the kitchen
table and tried to eat off the veggie tray. Now, he eats lots of
veggies and I'm not particularly fussy about animals eating off the
tray, but he needs them chopped smaller than the ones on the tray.
Poor think just about bit his tongue off trying to eat a cucumber
slice. I finally managed to extract it (without getting bit, I might
add. No easy feat!) and chopped some for him. Then he wanted to
taste the chips so I had to get Kate in here to get him off the
table. I was busy holding plates and bowls to keep him from eating
them. He can be quite determined! He was not very happy with me.>>>>>
How cool! I have an iguana also. Her name is Buddie, she's 8 years
old, about 4' long and about 6 pounds. She's also free roaming, like
yours. Ours is very adventurous....she once climbed down the outside
of a two story building and more recently, she was missing for a
week. Someone found her and called us (we posted flyers everywhere)
about a mile from our house.
Igunana...gotta love 'em!
~ Joanne ~
Mom to Jacqueline (7), Shawna (10) & Cimion (13)
Adopted into our hearts October 30, 2003
http://anunschoolinglife.blogspot.com/
wrote:
<<<everyone except Larry, our iguana. He climbed on the kitchen
table and tried to eat off the veggie tray. Now, he eats lots of
veggies and I'm not particularly fussy about animals eating off the
tray, but he needs them chopped smaller than the ones on the tray.
Poor think just about bit his tongue off trying to eat a cucumber
slice. I finally managed to extract it (without getting bit, I might
add. No easy feat!) and chopped some for him. Then he wanted to
taste the chips so I had to get Kate in here to get him off the
table. I was busy holding plates and bowls to keep him from eating
them. He can be quite determined! He was not very happy with me.>>>>>
How cool! I have an iguana also. Her name is Buddie, she's 8 years
old, about 4' long and about 6 pounds. She's also free roaming, like
yours. Ours is very adventurous....she once climbed down the outside
of a two story building and more recently, she was missing for a
week. Someone found her and called us (we posted flyers everywhere)
about a mile from our house.
Igunana...gotta love 'em!
~ Joanne ~
Mom to Jacqueline (7), Shawna (10) & Cimion (13)
Adopted into our hearts October 30, 2003
http://anunschoolinglife.blogspot.com/
Brandie
>I have created a poll for the group to respondNah...no thanks. No one forced me to join this list. I joined (of my own free will) to learn more about unschooling. I read the info on the list and it sounded like a place that I would enjoy. I understood how the list worked and if I had a problem with it, I was free to leave.
Brandie
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein
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Pamela Sorooshian
On Dec 27, 2005, at 2:44 PM, helpinghander wrote:
irony!
Interesting that you view "giving advice" as synonymous with
"convincing people."
I may "offer" advice - but I never ever try to talk anybody into
TAKING my advice.
Hey Chuck, maybe your problem was never in the giving, but in the
insisting?
-pam
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> Maybe this policy should be questioned too as whenever you have anI think Chuck is advising us against giving advice, right? Oh, the
> agenda of convincing people then you are risk of disrespecting them.
> The lists I find most satisfying and helpful are ones where they are
> set up for people to support each other, share ideas, resources,
> hard facts, inspiration and there are no overly aggressive agendas
> too convince people. I wonder if the several hundred people on this
> list think that this is different than real life.
irony!
Interesting that you view "giving advice" as synonymous with
"convincing people."
I may "offer" advice - but I never ever try to talk anybody into
TAKING my advice.
Hey Chuck, maybe your problem was never in the giving, but in the
insisting?
-pam
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Daniel MacIntyre
My problem is that I would MUCH rather lecture than be lectured. When I
post there is this small spot in my head that envisions the community I post
to enraptured and bedazzled by my brilliance. My would be critics, when
confronted by my insights and impeccable logic, are rendered mute and the
only responses are the accolades of the thousands of people whose lives have
been rendered complete by the power of my virtual presence. My fans vie
with each other to find favor with me. I have to turn down all the gifts and
money sent because I have nowhere to put it all.
Then of course, I find that everyone else actually DOES have an opinion and
it does NOT necessarily match mine - and they are NOT necessarily wrong
either. Usually I realize this about the same time I realize that I am
completely wrong on my premises, have misspelled four words including my
name and have accidentally posted my treatise on higher mathematics to a
group that exists solely to discuss the merits of medicinal earwax who are
now sure I am a spammer or a troll. Threats of banishment and discussions
of my various personal and professional shortcomings follow shortly
thereafter and I am brought back to reality - until I post again :)
post there is this small spot in my head that envisions the community I post
to enraptured and bedazzled by my brilliance. My would be critics, when
confronted by my insights and impeccable logic, are rendered mute and the
only responses are the accolades of the thousands of people whose lives have
been rendered complete by the power of my virtual presence. My fans vie
with each other to find favor with me. I have to turn down all the gifts and
money sent because I have nowhere to put it all.
Then of course, I find that everyone else actually DOES have an opinion and
it does NOT necessarily match mine - and they are NOT necessarily wrong
either. Usually I realize this about the same time I realize that I am
completely wrong on my premises, have misspelled four words including my
name and have accidentally posted my treatise on higher mathematics to a
group that exists solely to discuss the merits of medicinal earwax who are
now sure I am a spammer or a troll. Threats of banishment and discussions
of my various personal and professional shortcomings follow shortly
thereafter and I am brought back to reality - until I post again :)
On 12/27/05, Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
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> On Dec 27, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Chuck Learned wrote:
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> > Ren I would like to stick around. I should have been more clear
> > in my end statement. The notation you put in above gets at what I
> > am trying to say which is yes advice is always welcome when someone
> > "ask for the advice" however when its not asked for then there
> > should be no reason to critique what they are talking about.
>
> I think if you post something here, then you ARE asking for responses
> and some of those responses are very likely to be in the form of advice.
>
> In that spirit, I'd advise you to feel free to give advice here,
> based on your own personal experience, knowledge, and understanding
> of unschooling and to expect to receive advice on whatever you might
> choose to bring up for discussion.
>
> -pam
>
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Daniel
( Blogging at http://key-words.blogspot.com/ )
"When the solution is simple, God is answering."
Albert Einstein
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Daniel MacIntyre
I have no bias against people who discuss the benefits of medicinal earwax -
I'm sure they are many and profound and it will surely replace many of the
bottles that currently take up space in my medicine cabinet.
I also understand that people who discuss the benefits of medicinal earwax
CAN appreciate higher mathematics as well. No slurs on the intelligence or
sanity on anyone who discusses the benefits of medicinal earwax was
intended.
I'm sure they are many and profound and it will surely replace many of the
bottles that currently take up space in my medicine cabinet.
I also understand that people who discuss the benefits of medicinal earwax
CAN appreciate higher mathematics as well. No slurs on the intelligence or
sanity on anyone who discusses the benefits of medicinal earwax was
intended.
On 12/28/05, Daniel MacIntyre <daniel.macintyre@...> wrote:
>
> My problem is that I would MUCH rather lecture than be lectured. When I
> post there is this small spot in my head that envisions the community I post
> to enraptured and bedazzled by my brilliance. My would be critics, when
> confronted by my insights and impeccable logic, are rendered mute and the
> only responses are the accolades of the thousands of people whose lives have
> been rendered complete by the power of my virtual presence. My fans vie
> with each other to find favor with me. I have to turn down all the gifts and
> money sent because I have nowhere to put it all.
>
> Then of course, I find that everyone else actually DOES have an opinion
> and it does NOT necessarily match mine - and they are NOT necessarily wrong
> either. Usually I realize this about the same time I realize that I am
> completely wrong on my premises, have misspelled four words including my
> name and have accidentally posted my treatise on higher mathematics to a
> group that exists solely to discuss the merits of medicinal earwax who are
> now sure I am a spammer or a troll. Threats of banishment and discussions
> of my various personal and professional shortcomings follow shortly
> thereafter and I am brought back to reality - until I post again :)
>
>
>
> On 12/27/05, Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Chuck Learned wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Ren I would like to stick around. I should have been more clear
> > > in my end statement. The notation you put in above gets at what I
> > > am trying to say which is yes advice is always welcome when someone
> > > "ask for the advice" however when its not asked for then there
> > > should be no reason to critique what they are talking about.
> >
> > I think if you post something here, then you ARE asking for responses
> > and some of those responses are very likely to be in the form of advice.
> >
> > In that spirit, I'd advise you to feel free to give advice here,
> > based on your own personal experience, knowledge, and understanding
> > of unschooling and to expect to receive advice on whatever you might
> > choose to bring up for discussion.
> >
> > -pam
> >
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> Daniel
> ( Blogging at http://key-words.blogspot.com/ )
>
> "When the solution is simple, God is answering."
> Albert Einstein
>
--
Daniel
( Blogging at http://key-words.blogspot.com/ )
"When the solution is simple, God is answering."
Albert Einstein
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Daniel MacIntyre
that should have been "of anyone" - not "on anyone"
On 12/28/05, Daniel MacIntyre <daniel.macintyre@...> wrote:
>
> I have no bias against people who discuss the benefits of medicinal earwax
> - I'm sure they are many and profound and it will surely replace many of the
> bottles that currently take up space in my medicine cabinet.
>
> I also understand that people who discuss the benefits of medicinal earwax
> CAN appreciate higher mathematics as well. No slurs on the intelligence or
> sanity on anyone who discusses the benefits of medicinal earwax was
> intended.
>
> On 12/28/05, Daniel MacIntyre <daniel.macintyre@...> wrote:
> >
> > My problem is that I would MUCH rather lecture than be lectured. When I
> > post there is this small spot in my head that envisions the community I post
> > to enraptured and bedazzled by my brilliance. My would be critics, when
> > confronted by my insights and impeccable logic, are rendered mute and the
> > only responses are the accolades of the thousands of people whose lives have
> > been rendered complete by the power of my virtual presence. My fans vie
> > with each other to find favor with me. I have to turn down all the gifts and
> > money sent because I have nowhere to put it all.
> >
> > Then of course, I find that everyone else actually DOES have an opinion
> > and it does NOT necessarily match mine - and they are NOT necessarily wrong
> > either. Usually I realize this about the same time I realize that I am
> > completely wrong on my premises, have misspelled four words including my
> > name and have accidentally posted my treatise on higher mathematics to a
> > group that exists solely to discuss the merits of medicinal earwax who are
> > now sure I am a spammer or a troll. Threats of banishment and discussions
> > of my various personal and professional shortcomings follow shortly
> > thereafter and I am brought back to reality - until I post again :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/27/05, Pamela Sorooshian < pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 27, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Chuck Learned wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Ren I would like to stick around. I should have been more clear
> > > > in my end statement. The notation you put in above gets at what I
> > > > am trying to say which is yes advice is always welcome when someone
> > > > "ask for the advice" however when its not asked for then there
> > > > should be no reason to critique what they are talking about.
> > >
> > > I think if you post something here, then you ARE asking for responses
> > > and some of those responses are very likely to be in the form of
> > > advice.
> > >
> > > In that spirit, I'd advise you to feel free to give advice here,
> > > based on your own personal experience, knowledge, and understanding
> > > of unschooling and to expect to receive advice on whatever you might
> > > choose to bring up for discussion.
> > >
> > > -pam
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> Daniel
> ( Blogging at http://key-words.blogspot.com/ )
>
> "When the solution is simple, God is answering."
> Albert Einstein
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Daniel
( Blogging at http://key-words.blogspot.com/ )
"When the solution is simple, God is answering."
Albert Einstein
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Daniel MacIntyre
We celebrated christmas three times this year. Once at home for US, once
upstate for Amy's Father, stepmother and a few others and once for the
grandparents (who had to celebrate christmas with the *other* side of the
family :) ). The kids think it's great and can't wait to get up the next
day to celebrate christmas again!
upstate for Amy's Father, stepmother and a few others and once for the
grandparents (who had to celebrate christmas with the *other* side of the
family :) ). The kids think it's great and can't wait to get up the next
day to celebrate christmas again!
On 12/27/05, Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>
> "I don't agree with you or Pam on this matter, however I
> realize I have now taken on the role of discenter which is not very
> fun so I have created a poll for the group to respond to. So I will
> let it rest and wait for the poll to finish out in January when I
> return from a family trip."
>
> The poll has been deleted, anyone that doesn't like the list is free
> to stay or leave as they choose. We don't need a poll about how the
> list is run, there won't be any members if people don't like it.
>
> Now let's talk about unschooling, shall we?
>
> What has everyone been doing to celebrate the holidays?
>
> We spent all day at the "Hands-On" museum today, then to a pet store.
> We came home with a lovely turquoise beta, whose name is "scaly"
> according to Sierra.:)
>
> Ren
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Daniel
( Blogging at http://key-words.blogspot.com/ )
"When the solution is simple, God is answering."
Albert Einstein
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/28/2005 7:19:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
daniel.macintyre@... writes:
My problem is that I would MUCH rather lecture than be lectured. When I
post there is this small spot in my head that envisions the community I post
to enraptured and bedazzled by my brilliance. My would be critics, when
confronted by my insights and impeccable logic, are rendered mute and the
only responses are the accolades of the thousands of people whose lives have
been rendered complete by the power of my virtual presence*************
Well, in this post, Daniel, you have at least totally cracked me up! Thanks!
And didn't John Holt say that the main problem is that everyone wants to
teach, but no one wants to be taught???
****************
**Then of course, I find that everyone else actually DOES have an opinion and
it does NOT necessarily match mine - and they are NOT necessarily wrong
either**
One of the successes of unschooling, I believe, is that it does not dwell on
right and wrong, black and white. The world is a fabulous in-between and
swirly sort of place, only egos to make determined lines in the sand. The
unschooler constructs theories about the world and holds them as true until they
are proven no longer useful. Then he builds upon that theory and refines it
until it does become useful and right, at least for right now. Opinions
come and go, math and logic stick around a bit longer (one pretzel plus another
pretzel is two pretzels, until one is eaten, of course).
I told this once to a friend of mine that perhaps has an unschooling spark,
but is married to a very rigid man. She thought I was an absolute nutcase!
How absolutely irresponsible to not tell my children every right and wrong,
correct every mistake, every "i" dotted and every "t" crossed! I feel so sad
that this is the world most children live in.
Daniel, I eagerly await my gifts and money!
Leslie in SC
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daniel.macintyre@... writes:
My problem is that I would MUCH rather lecture than be lectured. When I
post there is this small spot in my head that envisions the community I post
to enraptured and bedazzled by my brilliance. My would be critics, when
confronted by my insights and impeccable logic, are rendered mute and the
only responses are the accolades of the thousands of people whose lives have
been rendered complete by the power of my virtual presence*************
Well, in this post, Daniel, you have at least totally cracked me up! Thanks!
And didn't John Holt say that the main problem is that everyone wants to
teach, but no one wants to be taught???
****************
**Then of course, I find that everyone else actually DOES have an opinion and
it does NOT necessarily match mine - and they are NOT necessarily wrong
either**
One of the successes of unschooling, I believe, is that it does not dwell on
right and wrong, black and white. The world is a fabulous in-between and
swirly sort of place, only egos to make determined lines in the sand. The
unschooler constructs theories about the world and holds them as true until they
are proven no longer useful. Then he builds upon that theory and refines it
until it does become useful and right, at least for right now. Opinions
come and go, math and logic stick around a bit longer (one pretzel plus another
pretzel is two pretzels, until one is eaten, of course).
I told this once to a friend of mine that perhaps has an unschooling spark,
but is married to a very rigid man. She thought I was an absolute nutcase!
How absolutely irresponsible to not tell my children every right and wrong,
correct every mistake, every "i" dotted and every "t" crossed! I feel so sad
that this is the world most children live in.
Daniel, I eagerly await my gifts and money!
Leslie in SC
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camden
>>>>>"Ren Allen" <starsuncloud@c...> wrote:We have had the most relaxed holidays yet !!! The kids have spent time
> What has everyone been doing to celebrate the holidays?>>>>>
moving from video games, to computer games, to crafts, to cars, to a HUGE
Thomas the Tank engine set up & back again. We are sticking close to home &
trying to stay warm.
All of our kids (8) got together with some other people christmas eve and we
had a full house. It was great !! A little crazy & busy but great !!
Hope you all had a great holiday !
Carol (who is in the freezing cold state of Maine :)
Ren Allen
"When I
post there is this small spot in my head that envisions the community
I post
to enraptured and bedazzled by my brilliance. "
I am completely enraptured and bedazzled by your brilliance many times
Daniel!!! But this last one took the cake...I don't laugh out loud at
my computer very often, good thing I hadn't made my tea yet this
morning!!
Ren
post there is this small spot in my head that envisions the community
I post
to enraptured and bedazzled by my brilliance. "
I am completely enraptured and bedazzled by your brilliance many times
Daniel!!! But this last one took the cake...I don't laugh out loud at
my computer very often, good thing I hadn't made my tea yet this
morning!!
Ren
Ren Allen
"Aaaaahhhh - so BEAUTIFUL -
right up your alley, Ren, because it is all about color and light and
connections!!"
It sounds lovely. The other movie description (Gabbeh) actually caused
me to tear up...it sounds absolutlely beautiful. I adore movies about
other cultures too...historical or cultural films are among my faves.
I will look those up. Maybe netflix? We have a really lame video store
out here in Jonesborough.
Maybe it's time to drive a bit further for Blockbuster.:)
Ren
right up your alley, Ren, because it is all about color and light and
connections!!"
It sounds lovely. The other movie description (Gabbeh) actually caused
me to tear up...it sounds absolutlely beautiful. I adore movies about
other cultures too...historical or cultural films are among my faves.
I will look those up. Maybe netflix? We have a really lame video store
out here in Jonesborough.
Maybe it's time to drive a bit further for Blockbuster.:)
Ren
Ren Allen
"All of our kids (8) got together with some other people christmas eve
and we
had a full house. It was great !! A little crazy & busy but great !!"
That sounds great Carol! That's what we're missing here, the big get
togethers with many friends. At least we have Brandie's family (waving
at Brandie) who are really fun and wonderful, radical unschoolers.:)
My boys would love to get a D&D group going again, and maybe a weekly
hangout/play day. We'll get there....
Your crazy holiday celebration sounds fabulous!!:)
and we
had a full house. It was great !! A little crazy & busy but great !!"
That sounds great Carol! That's what we're missing here, the big get
togethers with many friends. At least we have Brandie's family (waving
at Brandie) who are really fun and wonderful, radical unschoolers.:)
My boys would love to get a D&D group going again, and maybe a weekly
hangout/play day. We'll get there....
Your crazy holiday celebration sounds fabulous!!:)
Ren Allen
"And didn't John Holt say that the main problem is that everyone wants
to teach, but no one wants to be taught???"
Exactly! I especially don't like being taught about how to run a
successful and bubbly list...but I AM willing to learn.:)
Being taught sucks. The person decides you need information, and they
try to get it into you no matter the results. If you don't learn the
information they're "teaching", then you get labeled with some sort of
disability.:) School does it all the time.
People love to learn of course. And a willing learner has no trouble
finding someone to share knowledge with them.
So here we are, back to unschooling and why we're all here. Love those
John Holt quotes.
Ren
to teach, but no one wants to be taught???"
Exactly! I especially don't like being taught about how to run a
successful and bubbly list...but I AM willing to learn.:)
Being taught sucks. The person decides you need information, and they
try to get it into you no matter the results. If you don't learn the
information they're "teaching", then you get labeled with some sort of
disability.:) School does it all the time.
People love to learn of course. And a willing learner has no trouble
finding someone to share knowledge with them.
So here we are, back to unschooling and why we're all here. Love those
John Holt quotes.
Ren
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In a message dated 12/27/2005 8:54:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
What has everyone been doing to celebrate the holidays?
Trying to recupperate... lol... why is it that extended family can be so
stressful during the holidays????
My BIL tried telling my MIL that WE don't do "Santa" with the kids. I'm glad
she decided to call and ask first. I would've been really upset if that had
been ruined for my kids. Then my uncle claimed our puppy has fleas, because he
SAW them on her. Um, yeah... she's a double-dapple black, silver, brown and
a mini-Dach. I'm SURE he saw them. *sigh*
The kids had a great time. We're not doing much this week, since DH is
working. They are looking forward to this weekend, where they are going to MIL's
for New Years' Eve. My parents might take the baby, so Dh and I might be
spending New Years' alone.
Jenny
Unschooling in Greenfield, MA
Danny (12-1-99), Kelsey (11-1-01) and Evelyn (5-19-04)
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The important thing is not so much that every child should be taught, as
that every child should be given the wish to learn. ~John Lubbock
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starsuncloud@... writes:
What has everyone been doing to celebrate the holidays?
Trying to recupperate... lol... why is it that extended family can be so
stressful during the holidays????
My BIL tried telling my MIL that WE don't do "Santa" with the kids. I'm glad
she decided to call and ask first. I would've been really upset if that had
been ruined for my kids. Then my uncle claimed our puppy has fleas, because he
SAW them on her. Um, yeah... she's a double-dapple black, silver, brown and
a mini-Dach. I'm SURE he saw them. *sigh*
The kids had a great time. We're not doing much this week, since DH is
working. They are looking forward to this weekend, where they are going to MIL's
for New Years' Eve. My parents might take the baby, so Dh and I might be
spending New Years' alone.
Jenny
Unschooling in Greenfield, MA
Danny (12-1-99), Kelsey (11-1-01) and Evelyn (5-19-04)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
The important thing is not so much that every child should be taught, as
that every child should be given the wish to learn. ~John Lubbock
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Chuck Learned
I want to appologize if I have offended anyone on the list including Ren, please forgive my banter. I will be returning to lurk and sit back and appreciate all your wonderful postings.
Blessings,
Chuck
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Blessings,
Chuck
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In a message dated 12/28/2005 8:04:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
daniel.macintyre@... writes:
We celebrated christmas three times this year. Once at home for US, once
upstate for Amy's Father, stepmother and a few others and once for the
grandparents (who had to celebrate christmas with the *other* side of the
family :) ). The kids think it's great and can't wait to get up the next
day to celebrate christmas again!
lol... that sounds like our family. My side Christmas Eve, DH's side comes
to us Christmas Day (we've made the family "rule" that if anyone wants to see
us Christmas Day, they come to us. I'm not packing up 3 kids and pulling them
away from their "treasures" and drive all over the countryside), and then my
Gram and extended family the day after Christmas.
Jenny
Unschooling in Greenfield, MA
Danny (12-1-99), Kelsey (11-1-01) and Evelyn (5-19-04)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
The important thing is not so much that every child should be taught, as
that every child should be given the wish to learn. ~John Lubbock
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daniel.macintyre@... writes:
We celebrated christmas three times this year. Once at home for US, once
upstate for Amy's Father, stepmother and a few others and once for the
grandparents (who had to celebrate christmas with the *other* side of the
family :) ). The kids think it's great and can't wait to get up the next
day to celebrate christmas again!
lol... that sounds like our family. My side Christmas Eve, DH's side comes
to us Christmas Day (we've made the family "rule" that if anyone wants to see
us Christmas Day, they come to us. I'm not packing up 3 kids and pulling them
away from their "treasures" and drive all over the countryside), and then my
Gram and extended family the day after Christmas.
Jenny
Unschooling in Greenfield, MA
Danny (12-1-99), Kelsey (11-1-01) and Evelyn (5-19-04)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
The important thing is not so much that every child should be taught, as
that every child should be given the wish to learn. ~John Lubbock
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Ann
Now let's talk about unschooling, shall we?
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That sounds good! One of the things that has brought me so much joy this week is watching my children enjoy their gifts. I got them the things they asked for but I also added several items just to see if they would like them. My son, Jared usually doesn't like craft type stuff, but he got a wood burning kit and has been having a great time with it. He and my daughter have also been having a good time with their new air hockey table and have been 'inventing' new ways to play outside of the typical rules. I love that they do this!
We had fairly nice temps for this time of the year so we met our local unschooling group for an impromtu play at the park. Most of us shared that we are sick of holidays (or maybe sick of relatives would be more precise:0).
I find myself wishing I had the money to go out and get them several new toys like this each month so they would have a constant flow of new stuff to explore and enjoy. I really want to establish a monthly 'presents day', just need to finanace it somehow.
BTW I really like this list just the way it is...no let me restate that...I NEED this list to be just the way it is.
Thanks to the list owners for the hard work,
Ann
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That sounds good! One of the things that has brought me so much joy this week is watching my children enjoy their gifts. I got them the things they asked for but I also added several items just to see if they would like them. My son, Jared usually doesn't like craft type stuff, but he got a wood burning kit and has been having a great time with it. He and my daughter have also been having a good time with their new air hockey table and have been 'inventing' new ways to play outside of the typical rules. I love that they do this!
We had fairly nice temps for this time of the year so we met our local unschooling group for an impromtu play at the park. Most of us shared that we are sick of holidays (or maybe sick of relatives would be more precise:0).
I find myself wishing I had the money to go out and get them several new toys like this each month so they would have a constant flow of new stuff to explore and enjoy. I really want to establish a monthly 'presents day', just need to finanace it somehow.
BTW I really like this list just the way it is...no let me restate that...I NEED this list to be just the way it is.
Thanks to the list owners for the hard work,
Ann
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Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.
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