Anyone seen this article?
Daniel MacIntyre
From The Seattle
Times:<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html>
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html
Home-schooling in the modern world: Worries about the long-term impact on
public education
By Diane Glass
Syndicated Columnist
Here's the problem with looking at short-term studies on home-schooling.
Positive scholastic outcome of a sample of home-schooled children isn't the
only issue.
You have to think about the long-term effects of what this trend means for
the future of education and the segregation of our school system over
ideology.
A paper presented at the American Educational Research Association in 1991
reported that there were generally two kinds of parents who choose
home-schooling for their children: the extremely religious and the "New
Age." Both choose home-schooling for ideological reasons. Home-schooling is
not about how public schools teach so much as what they teach. Parents who
choose home-schooling want to instill in their children their own deeply
held beliefs.
Most of these parents are willing to take on traditional roles of male
breadwinner and female caretaker to accomplish this end. It makes you wonder
if the intensity of this commitment isn't so much about a good education as
it is about political inculcation. One benefit of a secular education is its
exposure to diverse views. This is something home-schooling may not offer if
a parent considers secular exposure a detriment.
Then there's the question of a parent's aptitude. Parents may have the right
to control their child's education, but do they have the right to practice
an occupation without any skill? If parents, or the recent trend of the
home-school neighborhood group, lack the range to leap from studying
geometry to English literature, a child will miss out on a topic that could
have proved valuable to her future. I know from experience that a teacher's
passion for a topic is just as important as the topic itself. That passion
is more often found in teachers who pursue this as a career.
We also have to consider what this means for the future of public education.
University of Illinois professor Chris Lubienski contends that
home-schooling is not only a response to deteriorating public schools, but a
cause of its decline. Schools should be given the chance to respond to
public needs, he argues. Home-schooling doesn't help the public good, just
the individual. And our future is about all children, not just our own.
--
Daniel
( Blogging at http://key-words.blogspot.com/ )
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Times:<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html>
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html
Home-schooling in the modern world: Worries about the long-term impact on
public education
By Diane Glass
Syndicated Columnist
Here's the problem with looking at short-term studies on home-schooling.
Positive scholastic outcome of a sample of home-schooled children isn't the
only issue.
You have to think about the long-term effects of what this trend means for
the future of education and the segregation of our school system over
ideology.
A paper presented at the American Educational Research Association in 1991
reported that there were generally two kinds of parents who choose
home-schooling for their children: the extremely religious and the "New
Age." Both choose home-schooling for ideological reasons. Home-schooling is
not about how public schools teach so much as what they teach. Parents who
choose home-schooling want to instill in their children their own deeply
held beliefs.
Most of these parents are willing to take on traditional roles of male
breadwinner and female caretaker to accomplish this end. It makes you wonder
if the intensity of this commitment isn't so much about a good education as
it is about political inculcation. One benefit of a secular education is its
exposure to diverse views. This is something home-schooling may not offer if
a parent considers secular exposure a detriment.
Then there's the question of a parent's aptitude. Parents may have the right
to control their child's education, but do they have the right to practice
an occupation without any skill? If parents, or the recent trend of the
home-school neighborhood group, lack the range to leap from studying
geometry to English literature, a child will miss out on a topic that could
have proved valuable to her future. I know from experience that a teacher's
passion for a topic is just as important as the topic itself. That passion
is more often found in teachers who pursue this as a career.
We also have to consider what this means for the future of public education.
University of Illinois professor Chris Lubienski contends that
home-schooling is not only a response to deteriorating public schools, but a
cause of its decline. Schools should be given the chance to respond to
public needs, he argues. Home-schooling doesn't help the public good, just
the individual. And our future is about all children, not just our own.
--
Daniel
( Blogging at http://key-words.blogspot.com/ )
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Anastasia Hall
All I can say is I'm ROFL. So my 10 yo kid who's making banana bread right now (and doubling the
recipe) won't be skilled enough to own her own bakery someday if she chooses? I'd better go
consult my Bible or some tarot cards just to be sure. LOL!
Anastasia
--- Daniel MacIntyre <daniel.macintyre@...> wrote:
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From The Seattle
Times:<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html>
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html
Home-schooling in the modern world: Worries about the long-term impact on
public education
By Diane Glass
Syndicated Columnist
Here's the problem with looking at short-term studies on home-schooling.
Positive scholastic outcome of a sample of home-schooled children isn't the
only issue.
You have to think about the long-term effects of what this trend means for
the future of education and the segregation of our school system over
ideology.
A paper presented at the American Educational Research Association in 1991
reported that there were generally two kinds of parents who choose
home-schooling for their children: the extremely religious and the "New
Age." Both choose home-schooling for ideological reasons. Home-schooling is
not about how public schools teach so much as what they teach. Parents who
choose home-schooling want to instill in their children their own deeply
held beliefs.
Most of these parents are willing to take on traditional roles of male
breadwinner and female caretaker to accomplish this end. It makes you wonder
if the intensity of this commitment isn't so much about a good education as
it is about political inculcation. One benefit of a secular education is its
exposure to diverse views. This is something home-schooling may not offer if
a parent considers secular exposure a detriment.
Then there's the question of a parent's aptitude. Parents may have the right
to control their child's education, but do they have the right to practice
an occupation without any skill? If parents, or the recent trend of the
home-school neighborhood group, lack the range to leap from studying
geometry to English literature, a child will miss out on a topic that could
have proved valuable to her future. I know from experience that a teacher's
passion for a topic is just as important as the topic itself. That passion
is more often found in teachers who pursue this as a career.
We also have to consider what this means for the future of public education.
University of Illinois professor Chris Lubienski contends that
home-schooling is not only a response to deteriorating public schools, but a
cause of its decline. Schools should be given the chance to respond to
public needs, he argues. Home-schooling doesn't help the public good, just
the individual. And our future is about all children, not just our own.
--
Daniel
( Blogging at http://key-words.blogspot.com/ )
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recipe) won't be skilled enough to own her own bakery someday if she chooses? I'd better go
consult my Bible or some tarot cards just to be sure. LOL!
Anastasia
--- Daniel MacIntyre <daniel.macintyre@...> wrote:
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From The Seattle
Times:<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html>
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html
Home-schooling in the modern world: Worries about the long-term impact on
public education
By Diane Glass
Syndicated Columnist
Here's the problem with looking at short-term studies on home-schooling.
Positive scholastic outcome of a sample of home-schooled children isn't the
only issue.
You have to think about the long-term effects of what this trend means for
the future of education and the segregation of our school system over
ideology.
A paper presented at the American Educational Research Association in 1991
reported that there were generally two kinds of parents who choose
home-schooling for their children: the extremely religious and the "New
Age." Both choose home-schooling for ideological reasons. Home-schooling is
not about how public schools teach so much as what they teach. Parents who
choose home-schooling want to instill in their children their own deeply
held beliefs.
Most of these parents are willing to take on traditional roles of male
breadwinner and female caretaker to accomplish this end. It makes you wonder
if the intensity of this commitment isn't so much about a good education as
it is about political inculcation. One benefit of a secular education is its
exposure to diverse views. This is something home-schooling may not offer if
a parent considers secular exposure a detriment.
Then there's the question of a parent's aptitude. Parents may have the right
to control their child's education, but do they have the right to practice
an occupation without any skill? If parents, or the recent trend of the
home-school neighborhood group, lack the range to leap from studying
geometry to English literature, a child will miss out on a topic that could
have proved valuable to her future. I know from experience that a teacher's
passion for a topic is just as important as the topic itself. That passion
is more often found in teachers who pursue this as a career.
We also have to consider what this means for the future of public education.
University of Illinois professor Chris Lubienski contends that
home-schooling is not only a response to deteriorating public schools, but a
cause of its decline. Schools should be given the chance to respond to
public needs, he argues. Home-schooling doesn't help the public good, just
the individual. And our future is about all children, not just our own.
--
Daniel
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Deb
--- In [email protected], Daniel MacIntyre
<daniel.macintyre@g...> wrote:
spent yesterday boiling down the turkey carcass to make soup) while
I'm at work, would get a kick out of this. We often joke about how
he'd look in a denim jumper lol. I think a truer statement might be
that homeschooling parents (of any philosophy) are willing to make
what sacrifices might be necessary to live on one income so that one
parent can be available to care for the child(ren). Although that
leaves out those who have two careers and put a lot of effort into
juggling their time so that someone is with the kids (working shifts,
job sharing, work from home, etc).
--Deb
<daniel.macintyre@g...> wrote:
>LOL I'm sure my husband, who is at home with DS right now (and who
> Most of these parents are willing to take on traditional roles of
>male
> breadwinner and female caretaker to accomplish this end.
spent yesterday boiling down the turkey carcass to make soup) while
I'm at work, would get a kick out of this. We often joke about how
he'd look in a denim jumper lol. I think a truer statement might be
that homeschooling parents (of any philosophy) are willing to make
what sacrifices might be necessary to live on one income so that one
parent can be available to care for the child(ren). Although that
leaves out those who have two careers and put a lot of effort into
juggling their time so that someone is with the kids (working shifts,
job sharing, work from home, etc).
--Deb
Sylvia Toyama
You have to think about the long-term effects of what this trend means for the future of education and the segregation of our school system over ideology.
*****
Ah, so it's not about the individual and his/her right to an individual idealogy -- it's about forcing integration of all individuals into the prevailing ideology of society, and of course how it can further the huge business generated by compulsive schooling.
*****
A paper presented at the American Educational Research Association in 1991 reported that there were generally two kinds of parents who choose home-schooling for their children: the extremely religious and the "New Age." Both choose home-schooling for ideological reasons.
****
She couldn't find a more recent study to bolster her case -- or maybe a newer study would indicate that it's not just fundies and new-agers who homeschool.
*****
Home-schooling is not about how public schools teach so much as what they teach. Parents who choose home-schooling want to instill in their children their own deeply
held beliefs.
******
Again, a newer study might have indicated that it is about how schools accomplish their 'goals' as well as how worthy those goals are.
******
Most of these parents are willing to take on traditional roles of male breadwinner and female caretaker to accomplish this end. It makes you wonder if the intensity of this commitment isn't so much about a good education as
it is about political inculcation.
******
Huh? Is she implying that all parents in traditional roles hold the same political beliefs?
******
One benefit of a secular education is its exposure to diverse views. This is something home-schooling may not offer if a parent considers secular exposure a detriment.
*******
First, this assumes that a home education is not secular. Second, one of the things public (I'm guessing this is what she meant by secular) does best is to crush all hope for true diversity.
******
I know from experience that a teacher's passion for a topic is just as important as the topic itself. That passion is more often found in teachers who pursue this as a career.
*****
In 13 years of public school, I remember only two teachers whose passion passion for a topic encouraged in me a lifelong love of something. I remember many more teachers who managed to suck all the joy out of not only the topic they taught, but any room they occupied.
Since finishing school, I've met many more people in real life who did/do more for my passions than I found in school. I lost years to pursue interests because my school experiences had left me feeling inadequate to some topics.
*****
We also have to consider what this means for the future of public education. University of Illinois professor Chris Lubienski contends that home-schooling is not only a response to deteriorating public schools, but a
cause of its decline. Schools should be given the chance to respond to public needs, he argues.
*******
Ah, now we get to the real point of her argument -- protecting the public school system, even if it means holding children hostage to failing practices.
******
Home-schooling doesn't help the public good, just
the individual. And our future is about all children, not just our own.
*****
Yeah, well I don't have the resources to save all children. Neither am I willing to sacrifice my children to further someone else's interpretation of the public good.
Sylvia
Mom to Will (20) Andy (9) and Dan (4.5)
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*****
Ah, so it's not about the individual and his/her right to an individual idealogy -- it's about forcing integration of all individuals into the prevailing ideology of society, and of course how it can further the huge business generated by compulsive schooling.
*****
A paper presented at the American Educational Research Association in 1991 reported that there were generally two kinds of parents who choose home-schooling for their children: the extremely religious and the "New Age." Both choose home-schooling for ideological reasons.
****
She couldn't find a more recent study to bolster her case -- or maybe a newer study would indicate that it's not just fundies and new-agers who homeschool.
*****
Home-schooling is not about how public schools teach so much as what they teach. Parents who choose home-schooling want to instill in their children their own deeply
held beliefs.
******
Again, a newer study might have indicated that it is about how schools accomplish their 'goals' as well as how worthy those goals are.
******
Most of these parents are willing to take on traditional roles of male breadwinner and female caretaker to accomplish this end. It makes you wonder if the intensity of this commitment isn't so much about a good education as
it is about political inculcation.
******
Huh? Is she implying that all parents in traditional roles hold the same political beliefs?
******
One benefit of a secular education is its exposure to diverse views. This is something home-schooling may not offer if a parent considers secular exposure a detriment.
*******
First, this assumes that a home education is not secular. Second, one of the things public (I'm guessing this is what she meant by secular) does best is to crush all hope for true diversity.
******
I know from experience that a teacher's passion for a topic is just as important as the topic itself. That passion is more often found in teachers who pursue this as a career.
*****
In 13 years of public school, I remember only two teachers whose passion passion for a topic encouraged in me a lifelong love of something. I remember many more teachers who managed to suck all the joy out of not only the topic they taught, but any room they occupied.
Since finishing school, I've met many more people in real life who did/do more for my passions than I found in school. I lost years to pursue interests because my school experiences had left me feeling inadequate to some topics.
*****
We also have to consider what this means for the future of public education. University of Illinois professor Chris Lubienski contends that home-schooling is not only a response to deteriorating public schools, but a
cause of its decline. Schools should be given the chance to respond to public needs, he argues.
*******
Ah, now we get to the real point of her argument -- protecting the public school system, even if it means holding children hostage to failing practices.
******
Home-schooling doesn't help the public good, just
the individual. And our future is about all children, not just our own.
*****
Yeah, well I don't have the resources to save all children. Neither am I willing to sacrifice my children to further someone else's interpretation of the public good.
Sylvia
Mom to Will (20) Andy (9) and Dan (4.5)
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emily dreyer
for such a well educated person i'm a little disappointed in ms. glass' argument. perhaps all that schooling hasn't done her justice after all......
emily
Anastasia Hall <hall.anastasia@...> wrote:
All I can say is I'm ROFL. So my 10 yo kid who's making banana bread right now (and doubling the
recipe) won't be skilled enough to own her own bakery someday if she chooses? I'd better go
consult my Bible or some tarot cards just to be sure. LOL!
Anastasia
--- Daniel MacIntyre <daniel.macintyre@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
From The Seattle
Times:<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html>
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html
Home-schooling in the modern world: Worries about the long-term impact on
public education
By Diane Glass
Syndicated Columnist
Here's the problem with looking at short-term studies on home-schooling.
Positive scholastic outcome of a sample of home-schooled children isn't the
only issue.
You have to think about the long-term effects of what this trend means for
the future of education and the segregation of our school system over
ideology.
A paper presented at the American Educational Research Association in 1991
reported that there were generally two kinds of parents who choose
home-schooling for their children: the extremely religious and the "New
Age." Both choose home-schooling for ideological reasons. Home-schooling is
not about how public schools teach so much as what they teach. Parents who
choose home-schooling want to instill in their children their own deeply
held beliefs.
Most of these parents are willing to take on traditional roles of male
breadwinner and female caretaker to accomplish this end. It makes you wonder
if the intensity of this commitment isn't so much about a good education as
it is about political inculcation. One benefit of a secular education is its
exposure to diverse views. This is something home-schooling may not offer if
a parent considers secular exposure a detriment.
Then there's the question of a parent's aptitude. Parents may have the right
to control their child's education, but do they have the right to practice
an occupation without any skill? If parents, or the recent trend of the
home-school neighborhood group, lack the range to leap from studying
geometry to English literature, a child will miss out on a topic that could
have proved valuable to her future. I know from experience that a teacher's
passion for a topic is just as important as the topic itself. That passion
is more often found in teachers who pursue this as a career.
We also have to consider what this means for the future of public education.
University of Illinois professor Chris Lubienski contends that
home-schooling is not only a response to deteriorating public schools, but a
cause of its decline. Schools should be given the chance to respond to
public needs, he argues. Home-schooling doesn't help the public good, just
the individual. And our future is about all children, not just our own.
--
Daniel
( Blogging at http://key-words.blogspot.com/ )
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Anastasia Hall <hall.anastasia@...> wrote:
All I can say is I'm ROFL. So my 10 yo kid who's making banana bread right now (and doubling the
recipe) won't be skilled enough to own her own bakery someday if she chooses? I'd better go
consult my Bible or some tarot cards just to be sure. LOL!
Anastasia
--- Daniel MacIntyre <daniel.macintyre@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
From The Seattle
Times:<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html>
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002652184_womanrebut29.html
Home-schooling in the modern world: Worries about the long-term impact on
public education
By Diane Glass
Syndicated Columnist
Here's the problem with looking at short-term studies on home-schooling.
Positive scholastic outcome of a sample of home-schooled children isn't the
only issue.
You have to think about the long-term effects of what this trend means for
the future of education and the segregation of our school system over
ideology.
A paper presented at the American Educational Research Association in 1991
reported that there were generally two kinds of parents who choose
home-schooling for their children: the extremely religious and the "New
Age." Both choose home-schooling for ideological reasons. Home-schooling is
not about how public schools teach so much as what they teach. Parents who
choose home-schooling want to instill in their children their own deeply
held beliefs.
Most of these parents are willing to take on traditional roles of male
breadwinner and female caretaker to accomplish this end. It makes you wonder
if the intensity of this commitment isn't so much about a good education as
it is about political inculcation. One benefit of a secular education is its
exposure to diverse views. This is something home-schooling may not offer if
a parent considers secular exposure a detriment.
Then there's the question of a parent's aptitude. Parents may have the right
to control their child's education, but do they have the right to practice
an occupation without any skill? If parents, or the recent trend of the
home-school neighborhood group, lack the range to leap from studying
geometry to English literature, a child will miss out on a topic that could
have proved valuable to her future. I know from experience that a teacher's
passion for a topic is just as important as the topic itself. That passion
is more often found in teachers who pursue this as a career.
We also have to consider what this means for the future of public education.
University of Illinois professor Chris Lubienski contends that
home-schooling is not only a response to deteriorating public schools, but a
cause of its decline. Schools should be given the chance to respond to
public needs, he argues. Home-schooling doesn't help the public good, just
the individual. And our future is about all children, not just our own.
--
Daniel
( Blogging at http://key-words.blogspot.com/ )
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Daniel MacIntyre
I went ahead and posted my thoughts on that article
here.<http://key-words.blogspot.com/2005/11/dianne-glass-has-issues-with.html>
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emily dreyer
your last 2 lines sum things up nicely for me, thanks.
Sylvia Toyama <sylgt04@...> wrote: You have to think about the long-term effects of what this trend means for the future of education and the segregation of our school system over ideology.
*****
Ah, so it's not about the individual and his/her right to an individual idealogy -- it's about forcing integration of all individuals into the prevailing ideology of society, and of course how it can further the huge business generated by compulsive schooling.
*****
A paper presented at the American Educational Research Association in 1991 reported that there were generally two kinds of parents who choose home-schooling for their children: the extremely religious and the "New Age." Both choose home-schooling for ideological reasons.
****
She couldn't find a more recent study to bolster her case -- or maybe a newer study would indicate that it's not just fundies and new-agers who homeschool.
*****
Home-schooling is not about how public schools teach so much as what they teach. Parents who choose home-schooling want to instill in their children their own deeply
held beliefs.
******
Again, a newer study might have indicated that it is about how schools accomplish their 'goals' as well as how worthy those goals are.
******
Most of these parents are willing to take on traditional roles of male breadwinner and female caretaker to accomplish this end. It makes you wonder if the intensity of this commitment isn't so much about a good education as
it is about political inculcation.
******
Huh? Is she implying that all parents in traditional roles hold the same political beliefs?
******
One benefit of a secular education is its exposure to diverse views. This is something home-schooling may not offer if a parent considers secular exposure a detriment.
*******
First, this assumes that a home education is not secular. Second, one of the things public (I'm guessing this is what she meant by secular) does best is to crush all hope for true diversity.
******
I know from experience that a teacher's passion for a topic is just as important as the topic itself. That passion is more often found in teachers who pursue this as a career.
*****
In 13 years of public school, I remember only two teachers whose passion passion for a topic encouraged in me a lifelong love of something. I remember many more teachers who managed to suck all the joy out of not only the topic they taught, but any room they occupied.
Since finishing school, I've met many more people in real life who did/do more for my passions than I found in school. I lost years to pursue interests because my school experiences had left me feeling inadequate to some topics.
*****
We also have to consider what this means for the future of public education. University of Illinois professor Chris Lubienski contends that home-schooling is not only a response to deteriorating public schools, but a
cause of its decline. Schools should be given the chance to respond to public needs, he argues.
*******
Ah, now we get to the real point of her argument -- protecting the public school system, even if it means holding children hostage to failing practices.
******
Home-schooling doesn't help the public good, just
the individual. And our future is about all children, not just our own.
*****
Yeah, well I don't have the resources to save all children. Neither am I willing to sacrifice my children to further someone else's interpretation of the public good.
Sylvia
Mom to Will (20) Andy (9) and Dan (4.5)
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Sylvia Toyama <sylgt04@...> wrote: You have to think about the long-term effects of what this trend means for the future of education and the segregation of our school system over ideology.
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Ah, so it's not about the individual and his/her right to an individual idealogy -- it's about forcing integration of all individuals into the prevailing ideology of society, and of course how it can further the huge business generated by compulsive schooling.
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A paper presented at the American Educational Research Association in 1991 reported that there were generally two kinds of parents who choose home-schooling for their children: the extremely religious and the "New Age." Both choose home-schooling for ideological reasons.
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She couldn't find a more recent study to bolster her case -- or maybe a newer study would indicate that it's not just fundies and new-agers who homeschool.
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Home-schooling is not about how public schools teach so much as what they teach. Parents who choose home-schooling want to instill in their children their own deeply
held beliefs.
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Again, a newer study might have indicated that it is about how schools accomplish their 'goals' as well as how worthy those goals are.
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Most of these parents are willing to take on traditional roles of male breadwinner and female caretaker to accomplish this end. It makes you wonder if the intensity of this commitment isn't so much about a good education as
it is about political inculcation.
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Huh? Is she implying that all parents in traditional roles hold the same political beliefs?
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One benefit of a secular education is its exposure to diverse views. This is something home-schooling may not offer if a parent considers secular exposure a detriment.
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First, this assumes that a home education is not secular. Second, one of the things public (I'm guessing this is what she meant by secular) does best is to crush all hope for true diversity.
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I know from experience that a teacher's passion for a topic is just as important as the topic itself. That passion is more often found in teachers who pursue this as a career.
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In 13 years of public school, I remember only two teachers whose passion passion for a topic encouraged in me a lifelong love of something. I remember many more teachers who managed to suck all the joy out of not only the topic they taught, but any room they occupied.
Since finishing school, I've met many more people in real life who did/do more for my passions than I found in school. I lost years to pursue interests because my school experiences had left me feeling inadequate to some topics.
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We also have to consider what this means for the future of public education. University of Illinois professor Chris Lubienski contends that home-schooling is not only a response to deteriorating public schools, but a
cause of its decline. Schools should be given the chance to respond to public needs, he argues.
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Ah, now we get to the real point of her argument -- protecting the public school system, even if it means holding children hostage to failing practices.
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Home-schooling doesn't help the public good, just
the individual. And our future is about all children, not just our own.
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Yeah, well I don't have the resources to save all children. Neither am I willing to sacrifice my children to further someone else's interpretation of the public good.
Sylvia
Mom to Will (20) Andy (9) and Dan (4.5)
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Heather
<perhaps all that schooling hasn't done her justice after all......>
LOL! This is what I've wanted to point out to my mom - about me! She went
on a rant last week on the phone, for about 20 minutes, about how I'm
ruining my son (he's 10) by not 'schooling' him & how he's not going to be
able to cope in real life. Ha! I guess she just thinks I'm stupid. And I
went to school for about 18 years. And look how I turned out - wanting
nothing good for my son. <sarcasm intended>
Heather
In Tucson
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LOL! This is what I've wanted to point out to my mom - about me! She went
on a rant last week on the phone, for about 20 minutes, about how I'm
ruining my son (he's 10) by not 'schooling' him & how he's not going to be
able to cope in real life. Ha! I guess she just thinks I'm stupid. And I
went to school for about 18 years. And look how I turned out - wanting
nothing good for my son. <sarcasm intended>
Heather
In Tucson
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In a message dated 11/29/2005 9:27:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
daniel.macintyre@... writes:
Home-schooling in the modern world: Worries about the long-term impact on
public education
By Diane Glass
Syndicated Columnist
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UGH... she should take Ren's test... LOL... Geesh, I wonder what "category"
I would "fit" into? I'm not extremely religious, nor am I "New Age"... LOL
Jenny
Unschooling in Greenfield, MA
Danny (12-1-99), Kelsey (11-1-01) and Evelyn (5-19-04)
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The important thing is not so much that every child should be taught, as
that every child should be given the wish to learn. ~John Lubbock
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daniel.macintyre@... writes:
Home-schooling in the modern world: Worries about the long-term impact on
public education
By Diane Glass
Syndicated Columnist
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UGH... she should take Ren's test... LOL... Geesh, I wonder what "category"
I would "fit" into? I'm not extremely religious, nor am I "New Age"... LOL
Jenny
Unschooling in Greenfield, MA
Danny (12-1-99), Kelsey (11-1-01) and Evelyn (5-19-04)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
The important thing is not so much that every child should be taught, as
that every child should be given the wish to learn. ~John Lubbock
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From: Anastasia Hall <hall.anastasia@...>
All I can say is I'm ROFL. So my 10 yo kid who's making banana bread right now
(and doubling the
recipe) won't be skilled enough to own her own bakery someday if she chooses?
I'd better go
consult my Bible or some tarot cards just to be sure. LOL!
-=-=-=-=-
You just DON'T *understand*!!!!!
It's NOT about *your* child! It's about ALL the children!
~KellyKelly LovejoyConference CoordinatorLive and Learn Unschooling Conferencehttp://liveandlearnconference.org
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From: Anastasia Hall <hall.anastasia@...>
All I can say is I'm ROFL. So my 10 yo kid who's making banana bread right now
(and doubling the
recipe) won't be skilled enough to own her own bakery someday if she chooses?
I'd better go
consult my Bible or some tarot cards just to be sure. LOL!
-=-=-=-=-
You just DON'T *understand*!!!!!
It's NOT about *your* child! It's about ALL the children!
~KellyKelly LovejoyConference CoordinatorLive and Learn Unschooling Conferencehttp://liveandlearnconference.org
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In a message dated 11/30/2005 9:50:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
All I can say is I'm ROFL. So my 10 yo kid who's making banana bread right
now
(and doubling the
recipe) won't be skilled enough to own her own bakery someday if she
chooses?
I'd better go
consult my Bible or some tarot cards just to be sure. LOL!
-=-=-=-=-
You just DON'T *understand*!!!!!
It's NOT about *your* child! It's about ALL the children!
~Kelly
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Silly me, I thought this was a Democracy (or at least a reasonable
facsimilie). :)
Leslie in SC, who is ready to declare the Republic of True Freedom....who is
with me??? But no guns or operating heavy machinery under the influence,
OK? <g>
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
All I can say is I'm ROFL. So my 10 yo kid who's making banana bread right
now
(and doubling the
recipe) won't be skilled enough to own her own bakery someday if she
chooses?
I'd better go
consult my Bible or some tarot cards just to be sure. LOL!
-=-=-=-=-
You just DON'T *understand*!!!!!
It's NOT about *your* child! It's about ALL the children!
~Kelly
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Silly me, I thought this was a Democracy (or at least a reasonable
facsimilie). :)
Leslie in SC, who is ready to declare the Republic of True Freedom....who is
with me??? But no guns or operating heavy machinery under the influence,
OK? <g>
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Pamela Sorooshian
I presented at the American Educational Research Association meetings
a couple of years ago and MY presentation was all about the diversity
of homeschoolers.
Guess the writer missed my presentation, huh?
-pam
a couple of years ago and MY presentation was all about the diversity
of homeschoolers.
Guess the writer missed my presentation, huh?
-pam
On Nov 29, 2005, at 7:28 AM, Sylvia Toyama wrote:
> A paper presented at the American Educational Research Association
> in 1991 reported that there were generally two kinds of parents
> who choose home-schooling for their children: the extremely
> religious and the "New Age." Both choose home-schooling for
> ideological reasons.
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k
LOLOLOLOL!!!! Wahhaahaha.
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> All I can say is I'm ROFL. So my 10 yo kid who's making banana breadright now (and doubling the
> recipe) won't be skilled enough to own her own bakery someday if shechooses? I'd better go
> consult my Bible or some tarot cards just to be sure. LOL!__________________________________________________
>
> Anastasia
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