testing the waters...
leavingemeraldcity
Hello out there;
This is a call out into the wilderness from one who is making the
first tentative steps from Home Schooling into Unschooling. I have
been home schooling my children from the start (ages 9, 7 1/2, 5, 2
1/2). My oldest has always bucked "pencil-and-paper" learning, and
because he and I are both strong-willed, this has led to some battles
of will, which I would love to have done with! I have done some
reading on unschooling over the years and always been attracted to it,
but have found it hard to make that leap into the unknown,
particularly as I know I will have no support around me for such an
approach. I am also a recovering public school teacher (my years in
the system led to my decision to home school), which makes it
difficult for me to get away from the notion of "basic skills,"
especially as I always feel anxious about the prospect of them
possibly going to school someday (not that I "plan" to send them, but
they do talk about going to high school some day) and being miles
behind everybody in math skills, spelling, writing etc. If this is a
place where gentle advice, encouragement and support are offered, I
would like to join your circle. I have been on other unschooling
websites where I have encountered thinking as dogmatic and rigid as in
any school board office. I am looking for an atmosphere of mutual
acceptance, respectful discussion and openness to various points of
view. I would love to hear from those of you wise, experienced
unschoolers who have made a similar transition (or just put to rest
the anxiety of "having children whose skills measure up").
Just putting my big toe into the water,
Tamara
This is a call out into the wilderness from one who is making the
first tentative steps from Home Schooling into Unschooling. I have
been home schooling my children from the start (ages 9, 7 1/2, 5, 2
1/2). My oldest has always bucked "pencil-and-paper" learning, and
because he and I are both strong-willed, this has led to some battles
of will, which I would love to have done with! I have done some
reading on unschooling over the years and always been attracted to it,
but have found it hard to make that leap into the unknown,
particularly as I know I will have no support around me for such an
approach. I am also a recovering public school teacher (my years in
the system led to my decision to home school), which makes it
difficult for me to get away from the notion of "basic skills,"
especially as I always feel anxious about the prospect of them
possibly going to school someday (not that I "plan" to send them, but
they do talk about going to high school some day) and being miles
behind everybody in math skills, spelling, writing etc. If this is a
place where gentle advice, encouragement and support are offered, I
would like to join your circle. I have been on other unschooling
websites where I have encountered thinking as dogmatic and rigid as in
any school board office. I am looking for an atmosphere of mutual
acceptance, respectful discussion and openness to various points of
view. I would love to hear from those of you wise, experienced
unschoolers who have made a similar transition (or just put to rest
the anxiety of "having children whose skills measure up").
Just putting my big toe into the water,
Tamara
Donald and Sandra Winn
I am also a recovering public school
newby myself as far as totally unschooling school, may
I offer this great website
http://home.earthlink.net/~fetteroll/rejoycing/ It is
so awesome. I couldn't keep away from that site, I
absolutely loved it and still do.
Best of luck,
Sandy
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> teacher (my years inHi Tamara, since I'm not "experienced" but still a
> the system led to my decision to home school), which
> makes it
> difficult for me to get away from the notion of
> "basic skills,"
> especially as I always feel anxious about the
> prospect of them
> possibly going to school someday (not that I "plan"
> to send them, but
> they do talk about going to high school some day)
> and being miles
> behind everybody in math skills, spelling, writing
> etc.
newby myself as far as totally unschooling school, may
I offer this great website
http://home.earthlink.net/~fetteroll/rejoycing/ It is
so awesome. I couldn't keep away from that site, I
absolutely loved it and still do.
Best of luck,
Sandy
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Ren Allen
"This is a call out into the wilderness from one who is making the
first tentative steps from Home Schooling into Unschooling."
Welcome to the journey Tamara, and the list.
If you look under our "links" section, you'll find many helpful
websites and recommendations. There are plenty of former teachers that
managed to get enough school out of their heads that their children
could learn in peace and joy.:)
Your first job is to try and recognize the learning happening all the
time,every day,whenever they are happily pursuing something. Once you
see that, it gets pretty easy.
Ren
first tentative steps from Home Schooling into Unschooling."
Welcome to the journey Tamara, and the list.
If you look under our "links" section, you'll find many helpful
websites and recommendations. There are plenty of former teachers that
managed to get enough school out of their heads that their children
could learn in peace and joy.:)
Your first job is to try and recognize the learning happening all the
time,every day,whenever they are happily pursuing something. Once you
see that, it gets pretty easy.
Ren
Rebecca DeLong
Hi, I'm wondering if this happens to anyone eles and how you get out of it.
I feel as if we/I are in a major slump. We moved back home(from Michigan back to San Diego) 8 months ago and it feels as we just can't get going. I don't know what to do.
The kids are going stir crazy I'm sure but the mere thought of taking them anywere is sooo overwhelming to me, that we just stay home. They are reacting to my apathy by getting louder, crazier, and angry which makes it harder for me to pull myself up and get out with them. - They being my boys, Jaiden (7), Avery(4), and Garett(14months).
I want to burst out of this way of thinking and feeling, I want to have fun and experience life but, I don't know how to start. This all started in MI, we ended up housebound for a year and a half and everyone (kids and dh and I) were all depressed and really didn't like being there, we hoped coming back to SoCal would be enough of a jolt to wake us all up and it seems to have worked for all but me, I still fell so stuck....
Has anything like this happened for anyone? How did you jumpstart your life?
Thanx
~Rebecca
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help."
-Calvin
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I feel as if we/I are in a major slump. We moved back home(from Michigan back to San Diego) 8 months ago and it feels as we just can't get going. I don't know what to do.
The kids are going stir crazy I'm sure but the mere thought of taking them anywere is sooo overwhelming to me, that we just stay home. They are reacting to my apathy by getting louder, crazier, and angry which makes it harder for me to pull myself up and get out with them. - They being my boys, Jaiden (7), Avery(4), and Garett(14months).
I want to burst out of this way of thinking and feeling, I want to have fun and experience life but, I don't know how to start. This all started in MI, we ended up housebound for a year and a half and everyone (kids and dh and I) were all depressed and really didn't like being there, we hoped coming back to SoCal would be enough of a jolt to wake us all up and it seems to have worked for all but me, I still fell so stuck....
Has anything like this happened for anyone? How did you jumpstart your life?
Thanx
~Rebecca
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help."
-Calvin
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Joanne
Hi Rebecca...
I'm going to throw out some ideas off the top of my head. I hope
some of them can help you.
Maybe start with some projects around the house with your
kids...make something, cook something, build something, etc.
Go outside in your back or front yard and play catch, frisbee,
garden, watch birds, etc.
Start venturing out on a small scale. Pick a place close by and go
for an hour.
You said this happened before. It's good that your seeing the
warning signs so it doesn't happen again.
Good luck!
~ Joanne ~
Mom to Jacqueline (7), Shawna (10) & Cimion (13)
Adopted into our hearts October 30, 2003
Homeschooling in Ocala, Florida
I'm going to throw out some ideas off the top of my head. I hope
some of them can help you.
Maybe start with some projects around the house with your
kids...make something, cook something, build something, etc.
Go outside in your back or front yard and play catch, frisbee,
garden, watch birds, etc.
Start venturing out on a small scale. Pick a place close by and go
for an hour.
You said this happened before. It's good that your seeing the
warning signs so it doesn't happen again.
Good luck!
~ Joanne ~
Mom to Jacqueline (7), Shawna (10) & Cimion (13)
Adopted into our hearts October 30, 2003
Homeschooling in Ocala, Florida
Ren Allen
"Has anything like this happened for anyone? How did you jumpstart
your life?"
I usually have the opposite problem, too much I want to do and not
enough time!!
But, we've been through periods where things were dark and depressing
for one reason or another...death, break-up etc...
I keep things simple, we try to spend time connecting by reading
together, watching movies, cooking good food..comfort things.
It sounds like a different thing than depression maybe...just in a rut
and not feeling creative perhaps?
What are your interests? What makes your soul sing? What makes you
want to jump up and down with excitement? If there isn't anything,
it's time to look to your past for clues.
What got you excited as a child? What kind of things were you strongly
drawn to? Use that as a jumping off point.
I really think if parents are excited about LIFE, it will be easy for
the kids to find things they're interested in also.
Go rent some new movies, rent a bunch every week and see what kind of
interesting connections happen. Use those movies to spark some new ideas..
our latest has been the new "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" with
Johnny Depp. We had a big discussion about the older "Willie Wonka's
Chocolate Factory" and whether we liked the new or old Oompa-Loompas.
Well, we had to get that one also of course! So we watched that, had
more discussions about the pros and cons of each version, pulled out
the book and read all the Oompa-Loompa poems.
The kids are now planning a model (edible ) of Willie Wonka's
chocolate river room.
Cool.
Movies are great jumping off points for interests, discussions and new
ideas.
Get out! Go to the park, just for some fresh air. Go for walks. Go for
drives and see what you can find. You can drive around and just stop
wherever it looks interesting. Maybe you'll find a construction
site...those are great for observation and discussion. Cranes still
fascinate me!
I'm thinking "DAMN, they've got San Diego and they're having trouble
finding something to do??!!!"
You've got a GREAT place to get yourself jump started. I'd just go
down to the beach and hang out. Anything to break out of the rut and
be somewhere besides home.
It might feel counter-intuitive right now, to GO and DO...but that's
the only way out. You've just got to make a choice and go somewhere
besides home...even if it's just to the movie store.:)
Ren
your life?"
I usually have the opposite problem, too much I want to do and not
enough time!!
But, we've been through periods where things were dark and depressing
for one reason or another...death, break-up etc...
I keep things simple, we try to spend time connecting by reading
together, watching movies, cooking good food..comfort things.
It sounds like a different thing than depression maybe...just in a rut
and not feeling creative perhaps?
What are your interests? What makes your soul sing? What makes you
want to jump up and down with excitement? If there isn't anything,
it's time to look to your past for clues.
What got you excited as a child? What kind of things were you strongly
drawn to? Use that as a jumping off point.
I really think if parents are excited about LIFE, it will be easy for
the kids to find things they're interested in also.
Go rent some new movies, rent a bunch every week and see what kind of
interesting connections happen. Use those movies to spark some new ideas..
our latest has been the new "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" with
Johnny Depp. We had a big discussion about the older "Willie Wonka's
Chocolate Factory" and whether we liked the new or old Oompa-Loompas.
Well, we had to get that one also of course! So we watched that, had
more discussions about the pros and cons of each version, pulled out
the book and read all the Oompa-Loompa poems.
The kids are now planning a model (edible ) of Willie Wonka's
chocolate river room.
Cool.
Movies are great jumping off points for interests, discussions and new
ideas.
Get out! Go to the park, just for some fresh air. Go for walks. Go for
drives and see what you can find. You can drive around and just stop
wherever it looks interesting. Maybe you'll find a construction
site...those are great for observation and discussion. Cranes still
fascinate me!
I'm thinking "DAMN, they've got San Diego and they're having trouble
finding something to do??!!!"
You've got a GREAT place to get yourself jump started. I'd just go
down to the beach and hang out. Anything to break out of the rut and
be somewhere besides home.
It might feel counter-intuitive right now, to GO and DO...but that's
the only way out. You've just got to make a choice and go somewhere
besides home...even if it's just to the movie store.:)
Ren
Pamela Sorooshian
On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:55 PM, Ren Allen wrote:
there again - one of the very few places I'd ever move to, from where
I live now (only 80 miles away <G>).
There is a really cool activity center run by the Salvation Army -
there is an ice skating rink and LOTS of activities offered. Here is
some info:
Ray & Joan Kroc Community Corps Center65057
Parent rating: 
• Location: 6845 University Avenue, San Diego, CA 92115
• Neighborhood: Rolando/Kensington
• Phone: 619.287.5762
• Hours: Hours vary by venue
• Web: http://www.kroccenter.org
The Salvation Army Kroc Center is a 12-acre family support,
education, recreation, and cultural arts facility. Made possible by a
generous gift from philanthropist Mrs. Joan Kroc, the Center provides
a variety of programs for all ages.
The community center is available to members and the general public
and includes aquatics programs (three pools), ice arena, gymnasium,
indoor skate park, rock climbing, recreation field, and internet-
based library. General public can purchase single venue access passes
(does not include classes).
Traditional and specialty summer camps are offered in weekly sessions
and include extended care hours for those needed. Listing of camp
schedules and forms are available on the Center's website.
Getting There: From the 8 freeway, exit 70th Street/Lake Murray Blvd,
towards 70th street. Turn right onto University Avenue.
Upcoming Events:
Computer Club for Young People Ongoing each Thu
Family Skate Night Ongoing Wed, Sat
Free Arts and Crafts Lab Ongoing each Thu
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>I LOVE San Diego. Lived there for one year, in college. I'd live
> You've got a GREAT place to get yourself jump started. I'd just go
> down to the beach and hang out. Anything to break out of the rut and
> be somewhere besides home.
there again - one of the very few places I'd ever move to, from where
I live now (only 80 miles away <G>).
There is a really cool activity center run by the Salvation Army -
there is an ice skating rink and LOTS of activities offered. Here is
some info:
Ray & Joan Kroc Community Corps Center65057
Parent rating: 
• Location: 6845 University Avenue, San Diego, CA 92115
• Neighborhood: Rolando/Kensington
• Phone: 619.287.5762
• Hours: Hours vary by venue
• Web: http://www.kroccenter.org
The Salvation Army Kroc Center is a 12-acre family support,
education, recreation, and cultural arts facility. Made possible by a
generous gift from philanthropist Mrs. Joan Kroc, the Center provides
a variety of programs for all ages.
The community center is available to members and the general public
and includes aquatics programs (three pools), ice arena, gymnasium,
indoor skate park, rock climbing, recreation field, and internet-
based library. General public can purchase single venue access passes
(does not include classes).
Traditional and specialty summer camps are offered in weekly sessions
and include extended care hours for those needed. Listing of camp
schedules and forms are available on the Center's website.
Getting There: From the 8 freeway, exit 70th Street/Lake Murray Blvd,
towards 70th street. Turn right onto University Avenue.
Upcoming Events:
Computer Club for Young People Ongoing each Thu
Family Skate Night Ongoing Wed, Sat
Free Arts and Crafts Lab Ongoing each Thu
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You stated you guys got horribly depressed in Michigan...perhaps some of that is lingering for you. Problem with depression (clinical or otherwise) is that it can be self-feeding (the more depressed, the more you feel like withdrawing, the more you withdraw, the more depressed).
I would suggest just "fake it until you make it". So you don't FEEL like taking the kids out, you know you guys will feel better afterwards. Just do it anyway. Start with something relatively easy, like a trip to the beach to explore. See what happens. It isn't a life time committment, just a few hours.
julie S.
I would suggest just "fake it until you make it". So you don't FEEL like taking the kids out, you know you guys will feel better afterwards. Just do it anyway. Start with something relatively easy, like a trip to the beach to explore. See what happens. It isn't a life time committment, just a few hours.
julie S.
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From: Joanne <billyandjoanne@...>
Date: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:31 pm
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: a slump
> Hi Rebecca...
> I'm going to throw out some ideas off the top of my head. I hope
> some of them can help you.
> Maybe start with some projects around the house with your
> kids...make something, cook something, build something, etc.
> Go outside in your back or front yard and play catch, frisbee,
> garden, watch birds, etc.
> Start venturing out on a small scale. Pick a place close by and go
> for an hour.
> You said this happened before. It's good that your seeing the
> warning signs so it doesn't happen again.
>
> Good luck!
> ~ Joanne ~
> Mom to Jacqueline (7), Shawna (10) & Cimion (13)
> Adopted into our hearts October 30, 2003
> Homeschooling in Ocala, Florida
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Rebecca DeLong
Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
It sounds like a different thing than depression maybe...just in a rut
and not feeling creative perhaps?
****I'm pretty sure I'm past the depression. I want to do things, the kids want to do things it's just hard. We don't have a car, and thank god San Diego has a GREAT public transport system, but taking the boys someplace is always an adventure in and of its self. And thats one of the things that seems sooo daunting right now.
They are working through a lot of anger issues right now, things were pretty bleak for a few years, but are finally starting to get better, and they boys are dealing with the aftermath of alot of things and they're angry and frusterated. I've been trying to give them as much freedom and space to be were they are, but it has been getting to me more than normal, so my reactions haven't been good and that is contributing to alot of whats going on.
Hmmm, at least I can recognize whats going on, I just seem unable to change anything. :/
~Rebecca
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help."
-Calvin
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It sounds like a different thing than depression maybe...just in a rut
and not feeling creative perhaps?
****I'm pretty sure I'm past the depression. I want to do things, the kids want to do things it's just hard. We don't have a car, and thank god San Diego has a GREAT public transport system, but taking the boys someplace is always an adventure in and of its self. And thats one of the things that seems sooo daunting right now.
They are working through a lot of anger issues right now, things were pretty bleak for a few years, but are finally starting to get better, and they boys are dealing with the aftermath of alot of things and they're angry and frusterated. I've been trying to give them as much freedom and space to be were they are, but it has been getting to me more than normal, so my reactions haven't been good and that is contributing to alot of whats going on.
Hmmm, at least I can recognize whats going on, I just seem unable to change anything. :/
~Rebecca
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help."
-Calvin
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Rebecca DeLong
Jaiden and Avery asked if would help them go through all their stuff and organize it with them and then redo the setup of their room so that they have more rom to play. We're gonna get started on that today and then try to hit the mall tomorrow after I get off work and get them some things to decorate with.
I'm hopping this will help kick me out of myu rut. I'm excited, they've been drawing up room plans and I'm looking forward to see their creations.
Thanx
~Rebecca
Joanne <billyandjoanne@...> wrote:
Hi Rebecca...
I'm going to throw out some ideas off the top of my head. I hope
some of them can help you.
Maybe start with some projects around the house with your
kids...make something, cook something, build something, etc.
Go outside in your back or front yard and play catch, frisbee,
garden, watch birds, etc.
Start venturing out on a small scale. Pick a place close by and go
for an hour.
You said this happened before. It's good that your seeing the
warning signs so it doesn't happen again.
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help."
-Calvin
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I'm hopping this will help kick me out of myu rut. I'm excited, they've been drawing up room plans and I'm looking forward to see their creations.
Thanx
~Rebecca
Joanne <billyandjoanne@...> wrote:
Hi Rebecca...
I'm going to throw out some ideas off the top of my head. I hope
some of them can help you.
Maybe start with some projects around the house with your
kids...make something, cook something, build something, etc.
Go outside in your back or front yard and play catch, frisbee,
garden, watch birds, etc.
Start venturing out on a small scale. Pick a place close by and go
for an hour.
You said this happened before. It's good that your seeing the
warning signs so it doesn't happen again.
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help."
-Calvin
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Rebecca DeLong
Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:55 PM, Ren Allen wrote:
>
> You've got a GREAT place to get yourself jump started. I'd just go
> down to the beach and hang out. Anything to break out of the rut and
> be somewhere besides home.
I LOVE San Diego. Lived there for one year, in college. I'd live
there again - one of the very few places I'd ever move to, from where
I live now (only 80 miles away <G>).
There is a really cool activity center run by the Salvation Army -
****I forgot all about the Croc center! It's not to far from me either...
I do think a huge part of our/my problem is boredom. We got so into the habit of not doing anything in MI that it's hard to start back up. It's easier to just sit here and complain...not a very good outlook huh?
We do have plans for this weekend, redecorating the kids room...and Jason(dh) told me that a new bead store opened in my favorite part of town, right next to the kids fave thrift store...:^)
~Rebecca
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help."
-Calvin
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Rebecca DeLong
jnjstau@... wrote: You stated you guys got horribly depressed in Michigan...perhaps some of that is lingering for you. Problem with depression (clinical or otherwise) is that it can be self-feeding (the more depressed, the more you feel like withdrawing, the more you withdraw, the more depressed).
I would suggest just "fake it until you make it". So you don't FEEL like taking the kids out, you know you guys will feel better afterwards. Just do it anyway. Start with something relatively easy, like a trip to the beach to explore. See what happens. It isn't a life time committment, just a few hours.
julie S.
***Thanx for this, you're right, it isn't a life commitment it's just a day.
I have been stuck in my own negitive thinking and I truely want to do better by my boys, they've been through sooo much and they deserve more than I've been giving them.
~Rebecca
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help."
-Calvin
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I would suggest just "fake it until you make it". So you don't FEEL like taking the kids out, you know you guys will feel better afterwards. Just do it anyway. Start with something relatively easy, like a trip to the beach to explore. See what happens. It isn't a life time committment, just a few hours.
julie S.
***Thanx for this, you're right, it isn't a life commitment it's just a day.
I have been stuck in my own negitive thinking and I truely want to do better by my boys, they've been through sooo much and they deserve more than I've been giving them.
~Rebecca
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help."
-Calvin
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nrskay
Rebecca:
I really understand how you feel, but as the others have said, take it
one day at a time. Make it a commitment to find something interesting
each day, a movie, a walk at the beach or as Pam said check out the
center.
My dd had a horrible thing happen to her this past April, I will not
go into it but it was extremely emotionally devasting. After wards it
was such a trial getting her to do anything, all she wanted to do was
sleep or play on the computer. For various reason related to the
incident she wouldn't leave the house at all.
Try and find the positive in everything and place new a exciting
things in front of your children. At one point during the summer my
dd and I made a commitment to go out at least once a week. Now we are
doing stuff together almost 2 to 3 times per week.
We have met a great group of people at the park weekly. She still is
adjusting to being around strangers, but we are taking baby steps
toward a healthy child once again.
I hope this helps.
Kay
I really understand how you feel, but as the others have said, take it
one day at a time. Make it a commitment to find something interesting
each day, a movie, a walk at the beach or as Pam said check out the
center.
My dd had a horrible thing happen to her this past April, I will not
go into it but it was extremely emotionally devasting. After wards it
was such a trial getting her to do anything, all she wanted to do was
sleep or play on the computer. For various reason related to the
incident she wouldn't leave the house at all.
Try and find the positive in everything and place new a exciting
things in front of your children. At one point during the summer my
dd and I made a commitment to go out at least once a week. Now we are
doing stuff together almost 2 to 3 times per week.
We have met a great group of people at the park weekly. She still is
adjusting to being around strangers, but we are taking baby steps
toward a healthy child once again.
I hope this helps.
Kay