Article on ADHD...from "Shine" list
Ren Allen
Deb R....who is also a regular here, posted this at the
shinewithunschooling list and I thought you'd all like it.
Lex (new member here) just posted about her ds, and the labels being
put on him by so called "experts".
I really hope you can find your answers Lex, and then release the
labels and let him just BE who he is.
Here's the post from "Shine":
I know we're not focusing on this label or that label but when I was
reading this article, this paragraph jumped out at me:
"Typical modes of assessment in the academic world involve being able
to repeat small details of abstract processes. This is the most
difficult way of learning for children with ADHD. There are few
courses of study in the educational system that reward the startling
gifts your child has to offer. The good news is that if your child can
emerge unscathed from his education, he can find his niche in the real
world that will reward him highly for his ardent curiosity,
creativity, and ability to solve problems in innovative ways."
Did you catch that in there? "...IF your child can emerge unscathed
from his education,..." IF?? IF!! Only reinforces the damage the
traditional 'academic world' can do to kids, especially our shiny
kids. It's one of those times when my whole self yelled out "Then just
get them out of there already!" That way they can be "...in the real
world that will reward him..." Life in the real world free of
that 'academic world' can be so rich yet that same 'academic world'
says it is "essential" so that kids can learn to get along in the real
world. BAH!
Rest of the article here:
http://articles.health.msn.com/id/100110773
--Deb
shinewithunschooling list and I thought you'd all like it.
Lex (new member here) just posted about her ds, and the labels being
put on him by so called "experts".
I really hope you can find your answers Lex, and then release the
labels and let him just BE who he is.
Here's the post from "Shine":
I know we're not focusing on this label or that label but when I was
reading this article, this paragraph jumped out at me:
"Typical modes of assessment in the academic world involve being able
to repeat small details of abstract processes. This is the most
difficult way of learning for children with ADHD. There are few
courses of study in the educational system that reward the startling
gifts your child has to offer. The good news is that if your child can
emerge unscathed from his education, he can find his niche in the real
world that will reward him highly for his ardent curiosity,
creativity, and ability to solve problems in innovative ways."
Did you catch that in there? "...IF your child can emerge unscathed
from his education,..." IF?? IF!! Only reinforces the damage the
traditional 'academic world' can do to kids, especially our shiny
kids. It's one of those times when my whole self yelled out "Then just
get them out of there already!" That way they can be "...in the real
world that will reward him..." Life in the real world free of
that 'academic world' can be so rich yet that same 'academic world'
says it is "essential" so that kids can learn to get along in the real
world. BAH!
Rest of the article here:
http://articles.health.msn.com/id/100110773
--Deb
Su Penn
On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Ren Allen wrote:
friend's daughter's preschool teacher told her, "Your daughter is
gifted, and you need to deal with that!" I expect that my older son, 4,
would fit that label as well, and I thought, "Deal with it? What does
that mean? Is there something I should be doing?" So I got all these
books on gifted children and gifted preschoolers out of the library,
and without exception the bulk of each book was about dealing with the
schools: documenting your young child's giftedness early so you can
advocate for services; teaching your child coping mechanisms like how
to deal with boredom; talking to teachers about how to effectively
handle the kid in class. Yet not one of the books suggested that the
best solution might be to keep the kid out of school, though that was
certainly what I took away from the books!
Su
> Did you catch that in there? "...IF your child can emerge unscathedThis reminds me of when I was reading some books about gifted kids. A
> from his education,..." IF?? IF!! Only reinforces the damage the
> traditional 'academic world' can do to kids, especially our shiny
> kids. It's one of those times when my whole self yelled out "Then just
> get them out of there already!" That way they can be "...in the real
> world that will reward him..."
friend's daughter's preschool teacher told her, "Your daughter is
gifted, and you need to deal with that!" I expect that my older son, 4,
would fit that label as well, and I thought, "Deal with it? What does
that mean? Is there something I should be doing?" So I got all these
books on gifted children and gifted preschoolers out of the library,
and without exception the bulk of each book was about dealing with the
schools: documenting your young child's giftedness early so you can
advocate for services; teaching your child coping mechanisms like how
to deal with boredom; talking to teachers about how to effectively
handle the kid in class. Yet not one of the books suggested that the
best solution might be to keep the kid out of school, though that was
certainly what I took away from the books!
Su
Aubrey Lane
Two great books about homeschooling gifted children are Creative
Homeschooling for Gifted Children and Gifted Education Comes Home: A Case
For Self-Directed Homeschooling. Both are by Lisa Rivero. They helped me a
great deal and advocate unschooling.
Aubrey
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Su Penn
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Article on ADHD...from "Shine" list
Homeschooling for Gifted Children and Gifted Education Comes Home: A Case
For Self-Directed Homeschooling. Both are by Lisa Rivero. They helped me a
great deal and advocate unschooling.
Aubrey
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Su Penn
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Article on ADHD...from "Shine" list
On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Ren Allen wrote:
> Did you catch that in there? "...IF your child can emerge unscathed
> from his education,..." IF?? IF!! Only reinforces the damage the
> traditional 'academic world' can do to kids, especially our shiny
> kids. It's one of those times when my whole self yelled out "Then just
> get them out of there already!" That way they can be "...in the real
> world that will reward him..."
This reminds me of when I was reading some books about gifted kids. A
friend's daughter's preschool teacher told her, "Your daughter is
gifted, and you need to deal with that!" I expect that my older son, 4,
would fit that label as well, and I thought, "Deal with it? What does
that mean? Is there something I should be doing?" So I got all these
books on gifted children and gifted preschoolers out of the library,
and without exception the bulk of each book was about dealing with the
schools: documenting your young child's giftedness early so you can
advocate for services; teaching your child coping mechanisms like how
to deal with boredom; talking to teachers about how to effectively
handle the kid in class. Yet not one of the books suggested that the
best solution might be to keep the kid out of school, though that was
certainly what I took away from the books!
Su
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--- In [email protected], Su Penn <pennsu@m...> wrote:
known we planned to "homeschool" - we weren't reticent about telling
people that right from the get-go), said "he's so smart, you should
get him tested, I know he would do great in a G&T program" I just
grinned and said "Why? He's in a class of his own!" and walked away.
Now, her teenaged DD (who I've known since she was 5 months old) is in
a high pressure private high $chool and wishes she could be
homeschooled (we've discussed it at times when it was just me, her,
and DS and we got to talking about stuff DS gets to do because he has
the time and freedom to do it). No way her mom would go for it though -
being able to moan and complain about all her DD's homework and
activities is her reverse form of bragging.
--Deb
>Back when DS was about 3, a friend of ours (who knew or should have
> On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Ren Allen wrote:
>
>So I got all these
> books on gifted children and gifted preschoolers out of the library,
> and without exception the bulk of each book was about dealing with
>the
> schools: documenting your young child's giftedness early so you can
> advocate for services
known we planned to "homeschool" - we weren't reticent about telling
people that right from the get-go), said "he's so smart, you should
get him tested, I know he would do great in a G&T program" I just
grinned and said "Why? He's in a class of his own!" and walked away.
Now, her teenaged DD (who I've known since she was 5 months old) is in
a high pressure private high $chool and wishes she could be
homeschooled (we've discussed it at times when it was just me, her,
and DS and we got to talking about stuff DS gets to do because he has
the time and freedom to do it). No way her mom would go for it though -
being able to moan and complain about all her DD's homework and
activities is her reverse form of bragging.
--Deb
Pamela Sorooshian
This is just a tidbit from a lengthy article intended to help
teachers handle gifted kids in their regular classrooms.
includes a wide variety of materials, provides some physical
movement, is generally complex, and connects the school experience
with the greater world. Although all students might appreciate such
an environment, for students who are gifted it is essential that the
teacher establish a climate that encourages them to question,
exercise independence, and use their creativity in order to be all
that they can be.<<<
I can make a good definition of unschooling out of that:
****Unschooling is creating a receptive, nonjudgmental, family-
centered environment that encourages inquiry and independence,
includes a wide variety of materials, provides freedom of physical
movement, is generally complex, and all learning takes place in and
connects to the real world. Unschooling parents encourage their
children to question, exercise independence, and use their creativity
to be all that they can be. ****
Rough - but the point is -- that's a description of the idea learning
situation for gifted kids (for ALL kids, it admits). They can't DO it
in schools - they can only give lip service to it and throw a bone to
the "gifted" kids for whom regular schooling so VERY obviously
inappropriate.
-pam
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teachers handle gifted kids in their regular classrooms.
>>>Gifted students learn best in a receptive, nonjudgmental, student-centered environment that encourages inquiry and independence,
includes a wide variety of materials, provides some physical
movement, is generally complex, and connects the school experience
with the greater world. Although all students might appreciate such
an environment, for students who are gifted it is essential that the
teacher establish a climate that encourages them to question,
exercise independence, and use their creativity in order to be all
that they can be.<<<
I can make a good definition of unschooling out of that:
****Unschooling is creating a receptive, nonjudgmental, family-
centered environment that encourages inquiry and independence,
includes a wide variety of materials, provides freedom of physical
movement, is generally complex, and all learning takes place in and
connects to the real world. Unschooling parents encourage their
children to question, exercise independence, and use their creativity
to be all that they can be. ****
Rough - but the point is -- that's a description of the idea learning
situation for gifted kids (for ALL kids, it admits). They can't DO it
in schools - they can only give lip service to it and throw a bone to
the "gifted" kids for whom regular schooling so VERY obviously
inappropriate.
-pam
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