another question
Ren Allen
~I prefer to be a little more "in your face" about unschooling~
I can't let this pass...
This is what email lists and the conference do for people y'all!!!:)
My sister wouldn't read at the lists for YEARS, in spite of my pushing
a wee bit every now and then. I just KNEW she'd get it deep down if
she had people to refine and strengthen her views with.
She WASN'T very bold or "in your face" for a long time. This year,
that all changed.;)
So I guess what I'm trying to say is; keep posting, keep reading, keep
thinking if you DO want to get bold about unschooling. It works.
Oh, and come to the Live and Learn conference next year!!
Ren
I can't let this pass...
This is what email lists and the conference do for people y'all!!!:)
My sister wouldn't read at the lists for YEARS, in spite of my pushing
a wee bit every now and then. I just KNEW she'd get it deep down if
she had people to refine and strengthen her views with.
She WASN'T very bold or "in your face" for a long time. This year,
that all changed.;)
So I guess what I'm trying to say is; keep posting, keep reading, keep
thinking if you DO want to get bold about unschooling. It works.
Oh, and come to the Live and Learn conference next year!!
Ren
frozenandcold
*I have an unschooling friend whose children just always go along.
In fact,
she can get away with doing some math worksheets and teachy things
because
her children are quite happy to do nearly anything she asks. It
isn't that she
never considers her children, it is just that she rarely *has* to.*
Does she ever ask her kids "Would you like to do these math
worksheets?" The problem I see with this is that just because kids
are "compliant" doesn't mean they aren't seething with resentment
inside. My little sister was extremely compliant and seemingly had
the least amount of resentments during our childhood, but now she
has found her voice and she is ANGRY at many things. She complied
but she was not happy about complying; she just couldn't find her
voice to express that.
I would never tell my kids "Let's do these worksheets", to me that
is SO not unschooling! Now, if my kids came to me and said, "These
math worksheets are really interesting, I would really like to do
them, would you help me?", that is unchooling, although, the
worksheet thing is so schooly. When children are willing to do
anything the parent asks it worries me that they don't know how to
think for themselves or that they don't really have a voice in their
house, it makes me wonder if they are really unschooled. I want my
kids to have a voice so I ask them quite frequently "Is this what
you want to do or are you doing it because that is what everyone
else wants to do?"
*It isn't that she never considers her childern, it is just that she
rarely *has* to.........*
To me unschooling is ALWAYS considering your children! I would
never tolerate my husband to tell me "We are going to this football
game today" without asking me first if that is what I want to do.
At the same time, I wouldn't want to do that to my children. They
deserve the same respect that we give any human being. That is
actually something that really helped me transit to radical
unschooling also, I would constantly ask myself "Would I do this to
my husband?, or my dad, or my friend........." If the answer was no
I would have to reconsider what I was doing. It is also good to go
back and time and remember how we felt when our parents did certain
things arbitrarily.
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. From The Kite Runner
In fact,
she can get away with doing some math worksheets and teachy things
because
her children are quite happy to do nearly anything she asks. It
isn't that she
never considers her children, it is just that she rarely *has* to.*
Does she ever ask her kids "Would you like to do these math
worksheets?" The problem I see with this is that just because kids
are "compliant" doesn't mean they aren't seething with resentment
inside. My little sister was extremely compliant and seemingly had
the least amount of resentments during our childhood, but now she
has found her voice and she is ANGRY at many things. She complied
but she was not happy about complying; she just couldn't find her
voice to express that.
I would never tell my kids "Let's do these worksheets", to me that
is SO not unschooling! Now, if my kids came to me and said, "These
math worksheets are really interesting, I would really like to do
them, would you help me?", that is unchooling, although, the
worksheet thing is so schooly. When children are willing to do
anything the parent asks it worries me that they don't know how to
think for themselves or that they don't really have a voice in their
house, it makes me wonder if they are really unschooled. I want my
kids to have a voice so I ask them quite frequently "Is this what
you want to do or are you doing it because that is what everyone
else wants to do?"
*It isn't that she never considers her childern, it is just that she
rarely *has* to.........*
To me unschooling is ALWAYS considering your children! I would
never tolerate my husband to tell me "We are going to this football
game today" without asking me first if that is what I want to do.
At the same time, I wouldn't want to do that to my children. They
deserve the same respect that we give any human being. That is
actually something that really helped me transit to radical
unschooling also, I would constantly ask myself "Would I do this to
my husband?, or my dad, or my friend........." If the answer was no
I would have to reconsider what I was doing. It is also good to go
back and time and remember how we felt when our parents did certain
things arbitrarily.
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. From The Kite Runner
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:08:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
fivefreebirds@... writes:
*It isn't that she never considers her childern, it is just that she
rarely *has* to.........*
To me unschooling is ALWAYS considering your children!
***********
I agree with you Heidi! She is not interested in becoming a radical
unschooler, her life works just fine for her. I hope her children will not become
angry older kids/adults because they don't always have much say in their lives.
That's why I said that in a way I'm glad my children are so opinionated!
They probably would be in school. Almost everyone I know that's not a radical
unschooler has never read a parenting book or had to challenge their way of
parenting. I had to nearly from the moment my son was born. I have always
wondered if I would have ever found unschooling if my kids were just like
everyone else's. No one else I know thinks there is anything "wrong" with their
lives, because everyone has the same issues (bedtime struggles, tv time,
school trouble). They don't know the freedom is out there, I doubt I would have
either.
My friend is a somewhat unschooler because she believes in this form of
education, but she has never wanted to set her children free nor has she found
herself in a difficult enough situation to question herself.
Leslie in SC
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fivefreebirds@... writes:
*It isn't that she never considers her childern, it is just that she
rarely *has* to.........*
To me unschooling is ALWAYS considering your children!
***********
I agree with you Heidi! She is not interested in becoming a radical
unschooler, her life works just fine for her. I hope her children will not become
angry older kids/adults because they don't always have much say in their lives.
That's why I said that in a way I'm glad my children are so opinionated!
They probably would be in school. Almost everyone I know that's not a radical
unschooler has never read a parenting book or had to challenge their way of
parenting. I had to nearly from the moment my son was born. I have always
wondered if I would have ever found unschooling if my kids were just like
everyone else's. No one else I know thinks there is anything "wrong" with their
lives, because everyone has the same issues (bedtime struggles, tv time,
school trouble). They don't know the freedom is out there, I doubt I would have
either.
My friend is a somewhat unschooler because she believes in this form of
education, but she has never wanted to set her children free nor has she found
herself in a difficult enough situation to question herself.
Leslie in SC
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frozenandcold
*I agree with you Heidi! She is not interested in becoming a radical
unschooler, her life works just fine for her. I hope her children
will not
become
angry older kids/adults because they don't always have much say in
their lives.
That's why I said that in a way I'm glad my children are so
opinionated!*
Gotcha Leslie! I am forgetting that this is unschooling basics not
unschooling discussions! My mind thinks in terms of "radical
unschooling" so I guess I need to step back here.
Don't you think that some of the reason your kids share their
opinions is that they are allowed to? So many kids are squashed
when they try to express, not only their opinions, but any kind of
emotion that the adult deems uncomfortable.
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. From The Kite Runner
unschooler, her life works just fine for her. I hope her children
will not
become
angry older kids/adults because they don't always have much say in
their lives.
That's why I said that in a way I'm glad my children are so
opinionated!*
Gotcha Leslie! I am forgetting that this is unschooling basics not
unschooling discussions! My mind thinks in terms of "radical
unschooling" so I guess I need to step back here.
Don't you think that some of the reason your kids share their
opinions is that they are allowed to? So many kids are squashed
when they try to express, not only their opinions, but any kind of
emotion that the adult deems uncomfortable.
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. From The Kite Runner
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/30/2005 6:44:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
fivefreebirds@... writes:
Don't you think that some of the reason your kids share their
opinions is that they are allowed to? So many kids are squashed
when they try to express, not only their opinions, but any kind of
emotion that the adult deems uncomfortable.
*************
LOL! Maybe just a little. My son, now nine, is like Ren's Jalen (is that
right, my brain hasn't been good with names lately). No squashing could ever
be accomplished, even if you tried.
When Nick was little, I was tired and complaining about some mess he was
always making. My friend said nastily "haven't you ever thought about saying
'no'?". I realized then that I was going to have to be a very smart, involved
parent..... her child actually quit doing something when she said 'no'????
My mom said the other day about my daughter, "I suppose we would have all
been free like that had we been raised without so many rules."
And by the way, I'm not a new unschooler, just a poor conveyor of ideas! :)
Feel free to call my attention to non-unschooling statements I make.
Leslie in SC
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fivefreebirds@... writes:
Don't you think that some of the reason your kids share their
opinions is that they are allowed to? So many kids are squashed
when they try to express, not only their opinions, but any kind of
emotion that the adult deems uncomfortable.
*************
LOL! Maybe just a little. My son, now nine, is like Ren's Jalen (is that
right, my brain hasn't been good with names lately). No squashing could ever
be accomplished, even if you tried.
When Nick was little, I was tired and complaining about some mess he was
always making. My friend said nastily "haven't you ever thought about saying
'no'?". I realized then that I was going to have to be a very smart, involved
parent..... her child actually quit doing something when she said 'no'????
My mom said the other day about my daughter, "I suppose we would have all
been free like that had we been raised without so many rules."
And by the way, I'm not a new unschooler, just a poor conveyor of ideas! :)
Feel free to call my attention to non-unschooling statements I make.
Leslie in SC
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
frozenandcold
*My mom said the other day about my daughter, "I suppose we would
have all
been free like that had we been raised without so many rules."*
And what is wrong with being free? Did she say that in a good way
or a bad way? I just always get frustrated with people when they
say things like that, as if it is a bad thing to be free! Some
people though, and maybe that is the case, mean that they wish we
could have all been that free! I hope that is the case!
Some people feel that if you don't have "rules" that they will be
criminals or something. It is funny how when they grow up with
principles that they are much more sensitive about "right"
and "wrong" and other peoples feelings, being courteous, sharing,
the list goes on and on!
And, yes, it is Jalen, my wonderful nephew!!!! He is a
hooooooooot!!! And you know what is so great about him, and other
kids like him? He is VERY good at articulating what he needs, I
love that! There were times at the conference when he would come to
Ren and say, "Mom, I haven't seen you in a while and I NEEEEED you."
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. From The Kite Runner
have all
been free like that had we been raised without so many rules."*
And what is wrong with being free? Did she say that in a good way
or a bad way? I just always get frustrated with people when they
say things like that, as if it is a bad thing to be free! Some
people though, and maybe that is the case, mean that they wish we
could have all been that free! I hope that is the case!
Some people feel that if you don't have "rules" that they will be
criminals or something. It is funny how when they grow up with
principles that they are much more sensitive about "right"
and "wrong" and other peoples feelings, being courteous, sharing,
the list goes on and on!
And, yes, it is Jalen, my wonderful nephew!!!! He is a
hooooooooot!!! And you know what is so great about him, and other
kids like him? He is VERY good at articulating what he needs, I
love that! There were times at the conference when he would come to
Ren and say, "Mom, I haven't seen you in a while and I NEEEEED you."
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. From The Kite Runner
[email protected]
<<and what would be wrong with being free>>
Last month, my daughters and I were at a women's spirituality retreat for several days. There was a talent show and the girls sang some songs. There were about 15 girls in age from 2 to 14 up on stage in varying stages of "nekkid" (it was a female only retreat and temps were over 100). The girls had been in the pool for days so their hair was wild. They were painted like natives and some wore fairy wings.
They sang a song, chins thrust out, about:
I am my mother's savage daughter
the one who runs barefoot cursing sharp stones
I am my mother's savage daughter
I'll not cut my hair, I'll not lower my voice.
I cried it was so beautiful to me. An older woman turned to me and said "My, how my life might have been different if I had been singing that song at that age."
Julie S.
Last month, my daughters and I were at a women's spirituality retreat for several days. There was a talent show and the girls sang some songs. There were about 15 girls in age from 2 to 14 up on stage in varying stages of "nekkid" (it was a female only retreat and temps were over 100). The girls had been in the pool for days so their hair was wild. They were painted like natives and some wore fairy wings.
They sang a song, chins thrust out, about:
I am my mother's savage daughter
the one who runs barefoot cursing sharp stones
I am my mother's savage daughter
I'll not cut my hair, I'll not lower my voice.
I cried it was so beautiful to me. An older woman turned to me and said "My, how my life might have been different if I had been singing that song at that age."
Julie S.
----- Original Message -----
From: frozenandcold <fivefreebirds@...>
Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:17 pm
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] re:another question
> *My mom said the other day about my daughter, "I suppose we would
> have all
> been free like that had we been raised without so many rules."*
>
> And what is wrong with being free? Did she say that in a good way
> or a bad way? I just always get frustrated with people when they
> say things like that, as if it is a bad thing to be free! Some
> people though, and maybe that is the case, mean that they wish we
> could have all been that free! I hope that is the case!
>
> Some people feel that if you don't have "rules" that they will be
> criminals or something. It is funny how when they grow up with
> principles that they are much more sensitive about "right"
> and "wrong" and other peoples feelings, being courteous, sharing,
> the list goes on and on!
>
> And, yes, it is Jalen, my wonderful nephew!!!! He is a
> hooooooooot!!! And you know what is so great about him, and other
> kids like him? He is VERY good at articulating what he needs, I
> love that! There were times at the conference when he would come
> to
> Ren and say, "Mom, I haven't seen you in a while and I NEEEEED you."
>
> Heidi
> Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
> favorite colors. From The Kite Runner
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Ren Allen
Rebecca,
You mentioned "overthinking"...is that really possible?:) Thinking is
such good mental gymnastics. I'm not suggesting parents question their
every move, but sometimes in the beginning of the radical unschooling
transition, that's exactly what helps.
That's what this list is for. Thinking, examining and questioning
deeply what we believed as truth in the past. Through this questioning
and thinking, many,many lives have been changed.
People on this very list can tell you, myself included, how this
"overthinking" has completely changed how we view children, the world,
learning and parenting on every level. We can tell you that we've
reached deeper and more meaningful relationship levels, watched
learning blossom in joy and peace and developed trust that is unshakeable.
Healing happens here. And thinking, examining and re-examining is part
of that healing process.
If you were loading up your van to go run errands, and a child
expressed unhappiness, you'd just keep moving forward, with no regards
to their feelings? That isn't healthy for any relationship.
Yes, there are times you really NEED to go do something...maybe the
power is going to get shut off if you don't go pay a bill, maybe
everyone is really, really hungry and you're out of food.....but how
often is an errand THAT important?
Even if it is, the child's feelings can be honored. "I am really sorry
we have to go do x,y,z, when you'd rather stay home, I need to do this
because___________ and we can bring ___________along to make it more fun"
When we don't see life as "have to's" and "shoulds" it opens the door
for CREATIVITY! We can creatively meet everyone's needs...maybe not at
the same time, but honoring those feelings is SO important.
I always ask myself what I would do if Markus (my dh) said he didn't
want to go....I certainly wouldn't ignore his feelings, yk?
BUT, children can't always just be left home at younger ages, and
there isn't always a solution that's readily available, that's when
creativity shines!
You'll read here about parents that forego errands to honor their
child's feelings, you'll read about people that DO involve their
children in day to day decisions, you'll read about parents that trust
in their children so completely they don't use any kind of punishment
or coercion to navigate each day.
You'll also read about teens that ADORE their parents, love to hang
out with them and don't have any symptoms of teen rebellion.:) I wish
you could have met all the older kids at the Live and Learn
conference...they're amazing.
I was up until 1am in the lobby with a group of them one night and
said something about getting tired. They all chimed in "You CAN'T go
to sleep, we're having too much fun!!"
Go figure.
They WANTED an adult to hang out with them...you don't get that kind
of attitude unless you trust and treat children with the same respect
you'd give any other human being. It works.
That's why you'll hear about it over and over and over again here. It
works better for unschooling if the parenting issues are examined. To
me, the crux of unschooling is mindful, respectful
parenting....learning is a secondary and natural side effect in a
household where the children are totally respected.
Ren
You mentioned "overthinking"...is that really possible?:) Thinking is
such good mental gymnastics. I'm not suggesting parents question their
every move, but sometimes in the beginning of the radical unschooling
transition, that's exactly what helps.
That's what this list is for. Thinking, examining and questioning
deeply what we believed as truth in the past. Through this questioning
and thinking, many,many lives have been changed.
People on this very list can tell you, myself included, how this
"overthinking" has completely changed how we view children, the world,
learning and parenting on every level. We can tell you that we've
reached deeper and more meaningful relationship levels, watched
learning blossom in joy and peace and developed trust that is unshakeable.
Healing happens here. And thinking, examining and re-examining is part
of that healing process.
If you were loading up your van to go run errands, and a child
expressed unhappiness, you'd just keep moving forward, with no regards
to their feelings? That isn't healthy for any relationship.
Yes, there are times you really NEED to go do something...maybe the
power is going to get shut off if you don't go pay a bill, maybe
everyone is really, really hungry and you're out of food.....but how
often is an errand THAT important?
Even if it is, the child's feelings can be honored. "I am really sorry
we have to go do x,y,z, when you'd rather stay home, I need to do this
because___________ and we can bring ___________along to make it more fun"
When we don't see life as "have to's" and "shoulds" it opens the door
for CREATIVITY! We can creatively meet everyone's needs...maybe not at
the same time, but honoring those feelings is SO important.
I always ask myself what I would do if Markus (my dh) said he didn't
want to go....I certainly wouldn't ignore his feelings, yk?
BUT, children can't always just be left home at younger ages, and
there isn't always a solution that's readily available, that's when
creativity shines!
You'll read here about parents that forego errands to honor their
child's feelings, you'll read about people that DO involve their
children in day to day decisions, you'll read about parents that trust
in their children so completely they don't use any kind of punishment
or coercion to navigate each day.
You'll also read about teens that ADORE their parents, love to hang
out with them and don't have any symptoms of teen rebellion.:) I wish
you could have met all the older kids at the Live and Learn
conference...they're amazing.
I was up until 1am in the lobby with a group of them one night and
said something about getting tired. They all chimed in "You CAN'T go
to sleep, we're having too much fun!!"
Go figure.
They WANTED an adult to hang out with them...you don't get that kind
of attitude unless you trust and treat children with the same respect
you'd give any other human being. It works.
That's why you'll hear about it over and over and over again here. It
works better for unschooling if the parenting issues are examined. To
me, the crux of unschooling is mindful, respectful
parenting....learning is a secondary and natural side effect in a
household where the children are totally respected.
Ren
frozenandcold
*I had one woman
who uses the classical approach tell me she unschools in the afternoons
after her boys finish their work for the day. I just let that one
go ;).*
When my sister, Ren, was visiting Alaska, a couple years ago, I
brought her and the kids along to a Halloween party for a bunch of
relaxed homeschoolers and a few unschoolers. One of the ladies there
asked us a few questions about the fact that we unschool, she said "We
do both relaxed homeschool and unschooling." Both Ren and I, in
unison, start laughing and say, "YOU CAN'T DO BOTH!". I think we
shocked her! I ran into her here a few months ago and she asked me
if I still unschooled and then went on to say that she tried it, she
would try and write down everything that she thought her daughter,
Carlie, was learning and ,apparently, it didn't look like she was
learning enough so she went back to relaxed homeschooling. People
just don't get it!! Not only that, but a few days later I ran into
Carlie, in the hall of the dance studio (her mom teaches gymnastics),
and asked her why she wasn't participating that day, she says "Oh, I
didn't get my school work done, you know how it goes, privileges,
privileges, privileges." I wanted to puke!!! I don't even call that
relaxed homeschooling!
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. From The Kite Runner
who uses the classical approach tell me she unschools in the afternoons
after her boys finish their work for the day. I just let that one
go ;).*
When my sister, Ren, was visiting Alaska, a couple years ago, I
brought her and the kids along to a Halloween party for a bunch of
relaxed homeschoolers and a few unschoolers. One of the ladies there
asked us a few questions about the fact that we unschool, she said "We
do both relaxed homeschool and unschooling." Both Ren and I, in
unison, start laughing and say, "YOU CAN'T DO BOTH!". I think we
shocked her! I ran into her here a few months ago and she asked me
if I still unschooled and then went on to say that she tried it, she
would try and write down everything that she thought her daughter,
Carlie, was learning and ,apparently, it didn't look like she was
learning enough so she went back to relaxed homeschooling. People
just don't get it!! Not only that, but a few days later I ran into
Carlie, in the hall of the dance studio (her mom teaches gymnastics),
and asked her why she wasn't participating that day, she says "Oh, I
didn't get my school work done, you know how it goes, privileges,
privileges, privileges." I wanted to puke!!! I don't even call that
relaxed homeschooling!
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. From The Kite Runner
[email protected]
I love the sound of this retreat. Where was it and is it an annual thing?
I would love more info.
Gayle
Last month, my daughters and I were at a women's spirituality retreat for
several days. There was a talent show and the girls sang some songs.
There were about 15 girls in age from 2 to 14 up on stage in varying
stages of "nekkid" (it was a female only retreat and temps were over 100).
The girls had been in the pool for days so their hair was wild. They
were painted like natives and some wore fairy wings.
They sang a song, chins thrust out, about:
I am my mother's savage daughter
the one who runs barefoot cursing sharp stones
I am my mother's savage daughter
I'll not cut my hair, I'll not lower my voice.
I cried it was so beautiful to me. An older woman turned to me and said
"My, how my life might have been different if I had been singing that song
at that age."
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I would love more info.
Gayle
Last month, my daughters and I were at a women's spirituality retreat for
several days. There was a talent show and the girls sang some songs.
There were about 15 girls in age from 2 to 14 up on stage in varying
stages of "nekkid" (it was a female only retreat and temps were over 100).
The girls had been in the pool for days so their hair was wild. They
were painted like natives and some wore fairy wings.
They sang a song, chins thrust out, about:
I am my mother's savage daughter
the one who runs barefoot cursing sharp stones
I am my mother's savage daughter
I'll not cut my hair, I'll not lower my voice.
I cried it was so beautiful to me. An older woman turned to me and said
"My, how my life might have been different if I had been singing that song
at that age."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
>>You'll also read about teens that ADORE their parents, love to hangout with them and don't have any symptoms of teen rebellion.:)>>
I have a teen like this. It's pretty cool.
Life is good.
--
~Mary, unschooling mom to Conor (16) and Casey (11)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CorvallisTLC/
"The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the
green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly
alive."--
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frozenandcold
You go Kelly!! I love it!! Ren says that I finally found my voice!
Since I have started speaking out about unschooling really cool things
have happened in other peoples lives, I almost feel like it is my
lifes calling to put unschooling in the spotlight!
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. The Kite Runner
Since I have started speaking out about unschooling really cool things
have happened in other peoples lives, I almost feel like it is my
lifes calling to put unschooling in the spotlight!
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. The Kite Runner
Ren Allen
"I almost feel like it's my life's calling to put unschooling in the
spotlight"
Uh-oh.....I can feel an Alaskan conference coming on....oh,
nevermind..they're leaving Alaska.
Well, wherever these folks settle down, I bet a mini-conference will
be happening. You all better stay posted, I think Kelly's got another
recruit. Damn she's good!
Ren
spotlight"
Uh-oh.....I can feel an Alaskan conference coming on....oh,
nevermind..they're leaving Alaska.
Well, wherever these folks settle down, I bet a mini-conference will
be happening. You all better stay posted, I think Kelly's got another
recruit. Damn she's good!
Ren
frozenandcold
Ren- It is thanks to you dear!!! You helped me to examine myself and
my thinking. Thinking, thinking, thinking, it is what unschool is all
about!! Don't know what I would do without you!!
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. From The Kite Runner
my thinking. Thinking, thinking, thinking, it is what unschool is all
about!! Don't know what I would do without you!!
Heidi
Children aren't coloring books. You can't fill them with your
favorite colors. From The Kite Runner
Ren Allen
"Spirituality, like learning, can't be coerced or goaded. Spirituality
is a
question of grace."
I really love this Robyn....perfect.
Ren
is a
question of grace."
I really love this Robyn....perfect.
Ren
k
i agree. now that i'm an adult by years anyway, i have found my voice
and, like many compliant, shy types, am ticked off! at 41 i'm finlly
beginning to find some level of confidence that allows the calmer side
of me to shine without losing my voice.
kathe
ps: keyboard still screwed up. pardon my punctuation.
frozenandcold wrote:
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and, like many compliant, shy types, am ticked off! at 41 i'm finlly
beginning to find some level of confidence that allows the calmer side
of me to shine without losing my voice.
kathe
ps: keyboard still screwed up. pardon my punctuation.
frozenandcold wrote:
> *I have an unschooling friend whose children just always go along.__________________________________
> In fact,
> she can get away with doing some math worksheets and teachy things
> because
> her children are quite happy to do nearly anything she asks. It
> isn't that she
>
> never considers her children, it is just that she rarely *has* to.*
>
>
> Does she ever ask her kids "Would you like to do these math
> worksheets?" The problem I see with this is that just because kids
> are "compliant" doesn't mean they aren't seething with resentment
> inside. My little sister was extremely compliant and seemingly had
> the least amount of resentments during our childhood, but now she
> has found her voice and she is ANGRY at many things. She complied
> but she was not happy about complying; she just couldn't find her
> voice to express that.
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