Dyslexia
Cheyenne Cain
I have posted before about the concern I had about my dd age 10 not wanting to have anythin to do with reading. Well you'll be glad to know I have backed way off. I'll read to her from time to time if she wants and strew interesting books, usually with lots of pictures around. I don't know if she ever picks them up or not. I don't ask I figure she'll tell me if it was interesting enough.
She still for the most part despises books. She'll whine anytime I go to the library eventhough the purpose is so I can check out books for me. (now I go when she isn't with me.)
Well, the other day we were visiting a friend. She was telling me about this book; The Gift of Dsylexia. As Jennifer was talking about what a struggle it was to read my dd started to chime in about how words do the same thing to her: words changed sizes, switched around and even changed colors. I borrowed the book and found how dyslexia effects other things such as hearing, sequencing, even throwing off balance. About a year ago I had dd's hearing checked because of her constant mispronuncation of words. Her hearing was perfect! She has excellent coordination and really enjoys sports and xbox. (I set no limits)
Do any of you have any experince with this? Is this something she'll grow out of? My friend Jennifer, is adament that it won't go away. Of course she was in public school and was never given the oppurtunity for it to go away.
Curious
Cheyenne
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She still for the most part despises books. She'll whine anytime I go to the library eventhough the purpose is so I can check out books for me. (now I go when she isn't with me.)
Well, the other day we were visiting a friend. She was telling me about this book; The Gift of Dsylexia. As Jennifer was talking about what a struggle it was to read my dd started to chime in about how words do the same thing to her: words changed sizes, switched around and even changed colors. I borrowed the book and found how dyslexia effects other things such as hearing, sequencing, even throwing off balance. About a year ago I had dd's hearing checked because of her constant mispronuncation of words. Her hearing was perfect! She has excellent coordination and really enjoys sports and xbox. (I set no limits)
Do any of you have any experince with this? Is this something she'll grow out of? My friend Jennifer, is adament that it won't go away. Of course she was in public school and was never given the oppurtunity for it to go away.
Curious
Cheyenne
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Elizabeth Roberts
My oldest is dyslexic. We don't know yet about the
younger children. My husband is also dyslexic. Sarah
just turned 9, and is just now really wanting to read
much. She started reading in the early part of first
grade, but not without me pushing her to do so because
we were doing "school at home" stuff. I've backed off,
and she's done well on her own.
I read to her when she wants me to still. Mostly I've
just made books available, and accepted that she isn't
a reader. She discovered the original Nancy Drew
series at my mother's this past Thanksgiving, and has
read two or three of them, and is reading an American
Girls mystery book.
Just read to her, keep books available, and encourage
her. She may never enjoy reading much, but as long as
she is functionally literate, I don't think it
matters.
My husband had all sorts of therapies for his
dyslexia, and he says it didn't really help him much.
It's still there, especially when he is tired.
Elizabeth
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younger children. My husband is also dyslexic. Sarah
just turned 9, and is just now really wanting to read
much. She started reading in the early part of first
grade, but not without me pushing her to do so because
we were doing "school at home" stuff. I've backed off,
and she's done well on her own.
I read to her when she wants me to still. Mostly I've
just made books available, and accepted that she isn't
a reader. She discovered the original Nancy Drew
series at my mother's this past Thanksgiving, and has
read two or three of them, and is reading an American
Girls mystery book.
Just read to her, keep books available, and encourage
her. She may never enjoy reading much, but as long as
she is functionally literate, I don't think it
matters.
My husband had all sorts of therapies for his
dyslexia, and he says it didn't really help him much.
It's still there, especially when he is tired.
Elizabeth
--- Cheyenne Cain <cherokeecain@...> wrote:
> I have posted before about the concern I had aboutElizabeth
> my dd age 10 not wanting to have anythin to do with
> reading. Well you'll be glad to know I have backed
> way off. I'll read to her from time to time if she
> wants and strew interesting books, usually with lots
> of pictures around. I don't know if she ever picks
> them up or not. I don't ask I figure she'll tell me
> if it was interesting enough.
>
> She still for the most part despises books. She'll
> whine anytime I go to the library eventhough the
> purpose is so I can check out books for me. (now I
> go when she isn't with me.)
>
> Well, the other day we were visiting a friend. She
> was telling me about this book; The Gift of
> Dsylexia. As Jennifer was talking about what a
> struggle it was to read my dd started to chime in
> about how words do the same thing to her: words
> changed sizes, switched around and even changed
> colors. I borrowed the book and found how dyslexia
> effects other things such as hearing, sequencing,
> even throwing off balance. About a year ago I had
> dd's hearing checked because of her constant
> mispronuncation of words. Her hearing was perfect!
> She has excellent coordination and really enjoys
> sports and xbox. (I set no limits)
>
> Do any of you have any experince with this? Is this
> something she'll grow out of? My friend Jennifer, is
> adament that it won't go away. Of course she was in
> public school and was never given the oppurtunity
> for it to go away.
>
>
> Curious
> Cheyenne
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On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:34 PM, Elizabeth Roberts wrote:
she was young and I didn't see any therapy that helped her. BUT - what
they did do which was really helpful to her was to get very very deeply
involved in listening to books on tape. These days, that would be books
on "mp3" -- that's the way to listen. (Even if you buy them on cd, copy
them to your computer and then to your MP3 player - it is bulky and
troublesome to carry around enough cd's to listen to a whole book - but
an MP3 player can hold multiple books.
So - that's my suggestion - listen to good entertaining books - in the
car, while hiking, while washing dishes, and while playing video games,
etc.
There is an adjustment time to learning to listen to books - it wasn't
easy for me, first two or three books, but now I love it.
-pam
> My husband had all sorts of therapies for hisI don't know about therapies - my niece was diagnosed as dyslexic when
> dyslexia, and he says it didn't really help him much.
> It's still there, especially when he is tired.
she was young and I didn't see any therapy that helped her. BUT - what
they did do which was really helpful to her was to get very very deeply
involved in listening to books on tape. These days, that would be books
on "mp3" -- that's the way to listen. (Even if you buy them on cd, copy
them to your computer and then to your MP3 player - it is bulky and
troublesome to carry around enough cd's to listen to a whole book - but
an MP3 player can hold multiple books.
So - that's my suggestion - listen to good entertaining books - in the
car, while hiking, while washing dishes, and while playing video games,
etc.
There is an adjustment time to learning to listen to books - it wasn't
easy for me, first two or three books, but now I love it.
-pam
Daniel MacIntyre
Dyslexia is more my wife's area of expertise, but I'll give this a crack:
As I understand it, Dyslexia is more a the way your brain processes
information than anything else. You don't grow out of it, you develop
skills that allow you to deal with information your brain doesn't
process in the same way other people's brains do. Basically it is the
same as with anything else you learn. Some things may be easier or
harder than others, but with practice and using methods that play to
your strengths, you still learn it.
As I understand it, Dyslexia is more a the way your brain processes
information than anything else. You don't grow out of it, you develop
skills that allow you to deal with information your brain doesn't
process in the same way other people's brains do. Basically it is the
same as with anything else you learn. Some things may be easier or
harder than others, but with practice and using methods that play to
your strengths, you still learn it.
On 4/25/05, Cheyenne Cain <cherokeecain@...> wrote:
>
> I have posted before about the concern I had about my dd age 10 not wanting to have anythin to do with reading. Well you'll be glad to know I have backed way off. I'll read to her from time to time if she wants and strew interesting books, usually with lots of pictures around. I don't know if she ever picks them up or not. I don't ask I figure she'll tell me if it was interesting enough.
>
> She still for the most part despises books. She'll whine anytime I go to the library eventhough the purpose is so I can check out books for me. (now I go when she isn't with me.)
>
> Well, the other day we were visiting a friend. She was telling me about this book; The Gift of Dsylexia. As Jennifer was talking about what a struggle it was to read my dd started to chime in about how words do the same thing to her: words changed sizes, switched around and even changed colors. I borrowed the book and found how dyslexia effects other things such as hearing, sequencing, even throwing off balance. About a year ago I had dd's hearing checked because of her constant mispronuncation of words. Her hearing was perfect! She has excellent coordination and really enjoys sports and xbox. (I set no limits)
>
> Do any of you have any experince with this? Is this something she'll grow out of? My friend Jennifer, is adament that it won't go away. Of course she was in public school and was never given the oppurtunity for it to go away.
>
> Curious
> Cheyenne
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Have you tried doing the orientation procedure in the book The Gift of
Dyslexia? It seems pretty easy and surely it can't hurt to try it. It's not
presented as a fix for a defect or anything like that.
This page is the experience of an old online friend of mine, with having the
orientation done herself, and for her son.
http://besthomeschooling.org/articles/lillian_jones2.html
Deborah in IL
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Dyslexia? It seems pretty easy and surely it can't hurt to try it. It's not
presented as a fix for a defect or anything like that.
This page is the experience of an old online friend of mine, with having the
orientation done herself, and for her son.
http://besthomeschooling.org/articles/lillian_jones2.html
Deborah in IL
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April M
Here's my own take on dyslexia....just my opinion...for what it's worth. I
have a husband and a daughter with dyslexia. My husband learned to read in
spite of it...he loves to read...his approach is just different than mine
and a bit slower. He was never 'diagnosed' as a child, he just had 'reading
problems'. My daughter struggled with reading....had I moved to unschooling
sooner I would have not pushed her nearly as much. She learned to read when
she was ready...it did take her longer. My daughter also has short-term
memory issues for a long time. Her brain just didn't get all the processing
down for a while. From the many families I hear from...all the special
classes and techniques in the world don't make it happen any sooner. You
can't undo dyslexia, it isn't a disability or a bad thing...it's just a
different way of looking at the printed word. I think it needs to be
compensated for, it needs to be acknowledged that they see and approach
reading differently....but given time and given no stress and labels...those
with dyslexia can will learn to read just fine. We have always done a lot
of reading aloud and books on tape. Oddly enough, she has always and to this
day, preferred non-fiction to fiction. If she is going to read, it will be
about a topic not just for fun....very different from me and from my oldest
but very much like her Dad. I might read more books...but they read more
depth (if that makes any sense).
~April
Mom to Kate-18, Lisa-16, Karl-13, & Ben-9.
*REACH Homeschool Group, an inclusive group meeting throughout Oakland
County http://www.homeschoolingonashoestring.com/REACH_home.html
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Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:03 PM
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Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Dyslexia
I have posted before about the concern I had about my dd age 10 not
wanting to have anythin to do with reading. Well you'll be glad to know I
have backed way off. I'll read to her from time to time if she wants and
strew interesting books, usually with lots of pictures around. I don't know
if she ever picks them up or not. I don't ask I figure she'll tell me if it
was interesting enough.
She still for the most part despises books. She'll whine anytime I go to
the library eventhough the purpose is so I can check out books for me. (now
I go when she isn't with me.)
Well, the other day we were visiting a friend. She was telling me about
this book; The Gift of Dsylexia. As Jennifer was talking about what a
struggle it was to read my dd started to chime in about how words do the
same thing to her: words changed sizes, switched around and even changed
colors. I borrowed the book and found how dyslexia effects other things such
as hearing, sequencing, even throwing off balance. About a year ago I had
dd's hearing checked because of her constant mispronuncation of words. Her
hearing was perfect! She has excellent coordination and really enjoys sports
and xbox. (I set no limits)
Do any of you have any experince with this? Is this something she'll grow
out of? My friend Jennifer, is adament that it won't go away. Of course she
was in public school and was never given the oppurtunity for it to go away.
Curious
Cheyenne
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have a husband and a daughter with dyslexia. My husband learned to read in
spite of it...he loves to read...his approach is just different than mine
and a bit slower. He was never 'diagnosed' as a child, he just had 'reading
problems'. My daughter struggled with reading....had I moved to unschooling
sooner I would have not pushed her nearly as much. She learned to read when
she was ready...it did take her longer. My daughter also has short-term
memory issues for a long time. Her brain just didn't get all the processing
down for a while. From the many families I hear from...all the special
classes and techniques in the world don't make it happen any sooner. You
can't undo dyslexia, it isn't a disability or a bad thing...it's just a
different way of looking at the printed word. I think it needs to be
compensated for, it needs to be acknowledged that they see and approach
reading differently....but given time and given no stress and labels...those
with dyslexia can will learn to read just fine. We have always done a lot
of reading aloud and books on tape. Oddly enough, she has always and to this
day, preferred non-fiction to fiction. If she is going to read, it will be
about a topic not just for fun....very different from me and from my oldest
but very much like her Dad. I might read more books...but they read more
depth (if that makes any sense).
~April
Mom to Kate-18, Lisa-16, Karl-13, & Ben-9.
*REACH Homeschool Group, an inclusive group meeting throughout Oakland
County http://www.homeschoolingonashoestring.com/REACH_home.html
* Michigan Unschoolers...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michigan_unschoolers/
*Michigan Youth Theater...Acting On Our Dreams...
http://www.michiganyouththeater.org/
"What one knows is, in youth, of little moment; they know enough who know
how to learn."
Henry Brooks Adams (1838-1918)
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[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Cheyenne Cain
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Dyslexia
I have posted before about the concern I had about my dd age 10 not
wanting to have anythin to do with reading. Well you'll be glad to know I
have backed way off. I'll read to her from time to time if she wants and
strew interesting books, usually with lots of pictures around. I don't know
if she ever picks them up or not. I don't ask I figure she'll tell me if it
was interesting enough.
She still for the most part despises books. She'll whine anytime I go to
the library eventhough the purpose is so I can check out books for me. (now
I go when she isn't with me.)
Well, the other day we were visiting a friend. She was telling me about
this book; The Gift of Dsylexia. As Jennifer was talking about what a
struggle it was to read my dd started to chime in about how words do the
same thing to her: words changed sizes, switched around and even changed
colors. I borrowed the book and found how dyslexia effects other things such
as hearing, sequencing, even throwing off balance. About a year ago I had
dd's hearing checked because of her constant mispronuncation of words. Her
hearing was perfect! She has excellent coordination and really enjoys sports
and xbox. (I set no limits)
Do any of you have any experince with this? Is this something she'll grow
out of? My friend Jennifer, is adament that it won't go away. Of course she
was in public school and was never given the oppurtunity for it to go away.
Curious
Cheyenne
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At almost eight years old my son still can not "read" and can not
recite the ABC's. He can write his full name and any thing else we
ask him to (coping). We have been told by his team at Dartmouth
Hospital that is does have quite significant dyslexia. His dyslexia
is classic as it is to do more with HEARING the actual sounds and
CONNECTING them to symbols. We are currently doing our testing for
this year and my son can not read but he CAN answer the question,
pick the work, then find the work through sounding it out (all of
this is done with me reading the question, then the answers, then he
picks the word he choose)- To realize that these symbols make sounds
is huge! Last year my son couldn't read and was a self proclaimed
stupid idiot. That is what being trained got him. He was made to
realize he was not like everyone else and that it was bad not to be
like everyone else. One year late we have made HUGE progress but not
by being able "read" or pass a spelling test or really any
traditional means. He went completely through the Hooked on Phonics
Game and beat all of them but still can't resite his ABC's. He will
get caught by a word and I can hear him in the other room, for at
least twenty minutes - playing with the sounds - breaking the word
apart - p_p_p_p_p ... - aaaakkkk - PPPaakkkkkkkkkk - This doesn't
do it justice but he can sit for an hour on a couple of words just
sound/mouth playin - I can't imagine this being considered "training"
or "productive" BUT this IS how his brain is working this PUZZLE
out.
Also do some research on when the brain is actually prepared to start
that learning. I found a lot of great info through the Waldorf
sites.
This woman sounds just like my Step Mother :)
Elizabeth
recite the ABC's. He can write his full name and any thing else we
ask him to (coping). We have been told by his team at Dartmouth
Hospital that is does have quite significant dyslexia. His dyslexia
is classic as it is to do more with HEARING the actual sounds and
CONNECTING them to symbols. We are currently doing our testing for
this year and my son can not read but he CAN answer the question,
pick the work, then find the work through sounding it out (all of
this is done with me reading the question, then the answers, then he
picks the word he choose)- To realize that these symbols make sounds
is huge! Last year my son couldn't read and was a self proclaimed
stupid idiot. That is what being trained got him. He was made to
realize he was not like everyone else and that it was bad not to be
like everyone else. One year late we have made HUGE progress but not
by being able "read" or pass a spelling test or really any
traditional means. He went completely through the Hooked on Phonics
Game and beat all of them but still can't resite his ABC's. He will
get caught by a word and I can hear him in the other room, for at
least twenty minutes - playing with the sounds - breaking the word
apart - p_p_p_p_p ... - aaaakkkk - PPPaakkkkkkkkkk - This doesn't
do it justice but he can sit for an hour on a couple of words just
sound/mouth playin - I can't imagine this being considered "training"
or "productive" BUT this IS how his brain is working this PUZZLE
out.
Also do some research on when the brain is actually prepared to start
that learning. I found a lot of great info through the Waldorf
sites.
This woman sounds just like my Step Mother :)
Elizabeth
Tammy Brock
Does anyone have a child that that has dyslexia? If so, how have you handled
that with unschooling?
Tammy
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Tammy
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k
I just posted something about this on another list. Google Ron Davis. He
is dyslexic and has some good ideas in a book he wrote using tactile/visual
approaches for figuring out written material.
~Katherine
is dyslexic and has some good ideas in a book he wrote using tactile/visual
approaches for figuring out written material.
~Katherine
On 7/7/08, Tammy Brock <tammy@...> wrote:
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Does anyone have a child that that has dyslexia? If so, how have you
handled
that with unschooling?
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Duncan's probably dyslexic. My teacher-friend, Gillian, freaks out that
Dunc still writes all his numbers backwards. Occasionally he writes
backwards too---mirror image letters.
But I haven't worried at all. He reads a LOT---but writes less
frequently. Seems to write everything backwards or everything
forwards---as if there's a switch he flips to write correctly or not.
He *used* to write everything backwards; now it's every other time or
so. It's weird. I asked him the other day about his numbers. He asked
why it mattered. <g> Everyone seems to be able to figure it out. <G>
But since we haven't worried about his reading ---and more importantly,
we haven't worried *in front of him* about it, he's clueless that it's
a problem, so it's not.
He's 12 now. He reads really well. My guess is that at 16 you won't be
able to tell he ever struggled at all. And he never *has*
struggled---but if he had been in school, he *may* have.
There are many "tricks" you can use to help a child with reading,
including "pink" glasses or pink "film" over the words as well a
bookmark with a hole cut out to focus on one word at a time.
But unless the *child* wants help, I wouldn't worry about it. Just make
a print-rich environment and read to/for him a lot.
Obviously, I'm in the minority about this. And many people make BIG
bucks trying to get "dyslexics" to read. I just think that given time
and support and cool things to read, children will read. In their own
time, in their own way. It's the *rushing* that's the problem.
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
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From: Tammy Brock <tammy@...>
Does anyone have a child that that has dyslexia? If so, how have you
handled
that with unschooling?
-=-=-=-=-
Duncan's probably dyslexic. My teacher-friend, Gillian, freaks out that
Dunc still writes all his numbers backwards. Occasionally he writes
backwards too---mirror image letters.
But I haven't worried at all. He reads a LOT---but writes less
frequently. Seems to write everything backwards or everything
forwards---as if there's a switch he flips to write correctly or not.
He *used* to write everything backwards; now it's every other time or
so. It's weird. I asked him the other day about his numbers. He asked
why it mattered. <g> Everyone seems to be able to figure it out. <G>
But since we haven't worried about his reading ---and more importantly,
we haven't worried *in front of him* about it, he's clueless that it's
a problem, so it's not.
He's 12 now. He reads really well. My guess is that at 16 you won't be
able to tell he ever struggled at all. And he never *has*
struggled---but if he had been in school, he *may* have.
There are many "tricks" you can use to help a child with reading,
including "pink" glasses or pink "film" over the words as well a
bookmark with a hole cut out to focus on one word at a time.
But unless the *child* wants help, I wouldn't worry about it. Just make
a print-rich environment and read to/for him a lot.
Obviously, I'm in the minority about this. And many people make BIG
bucks trying to get "dyslexics" to read. I just think that given time
and support and cool things to read, children will read. In their own
time, in their own way. It's the *rushing* that's the problem.
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
Kathleen Gehrke
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severe dyslexia. Then we took him home. Then we unschooled.
He is fifteen and he reads and writes fine. BUT it took a long time
to heal from someone telling him something was wrong with him. His
brain just grabbed it all in his time. No one was very helpful to him
including me, who his first several years home tried to fix him..
prior to unschooling. I finally decided it was more important for him
to be happy then for him to spell, read and write well. However he
now does all of those thing just fine.
About two years ago he wanted to communicate on instant messenger. He
started asking me how do you spell ---------- and again how do you
spell------. He asked everything and eventually asked less and less.
Now if he asks me it is generally something I do not know how to
spell. lol. It clicked for him, because he had desire.
Dh graduated high school. He still does not read more than necessary,
write if he does not have to and spells.. Well creatively. He was
told he was not very smart in school. He is a smart man. It makes me
sad that we give permission to someone to label us or our loved ones.
Kathleen
>you
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tammy Brock <tammy@...>
>
> Does anyone have a child that that has dyslexia? If so, how have
> handledRobby was in public school and was diagnosed in second grade with
> that with unschooling?
>
>
severe dyslexia. Then we took him home. Then we unschooled.
He is fifteen and he reads and writes fine. BUT it took a long time
to heal from someone telling him something was wrong with him. His
brain just grabbed it all in his time. No one was very helpful to him
including me, who his first several years home tried to fix him..
prior to unschooling. I finally decided it was more important for him
to be happy then for him to spell, read and write well. However he
now does all of those thing just fine.
About two years ago he wanted to communicate on instant messenger. He
started asking me how do you spell ---------- and again how do you
spell------. He asked everything and eventually asked less and less.
Now if he asks me it is generally something I do not know how to
spell. lol. It clicked for him, because he had desire.
Dh graduated high school. He still does not read more than necessary,
write if he does not have to and spells.. Well creatively. He was
told he was not very smart in school. He is a smart man. It makes me
sad that we give permission to someone to label us or our loved ones.
Kathleen
Kimberlee
I once interviewed a professor of education who had what I thought
were interesting thoughts on dyslexia. She told me she thought many
children who are thought of as dyslexic are actually reacting normally
to a new situation. For example, she held up a ball point pen which
she then held in various positions, pointing up, pointing down,
pointing to the left and the right. Then she said we've told them all
their lives that "this is a pen, this is a pen, this is a pen and this
is a pen". When it comes to letters we say "this is a "b", flip it to
the left and "this is a d", flip it down and "this is a "q", flip it
over again and "this is a p". Some people just take a little longer
to accept that the same thing in different positions is indeed
something different. For what it's worth I thought she had a point.
Kimberlee:)
were interesting thoughts on dyslexia. She told me she thought many
children who are thought of as dyslexic are actually reacting normally
to a new situation. For example, she held up a ball point pen which
she then held in various positions, pointing up, pointing down,
pointing to the left and the right. Then she said we've told them all
their lives that "this is a pen, this is a pen, this is a pen and this
is a pen". When it comes to letters we say "this is a "b", flip it to
the left and "this is a d", flip it down and "this is a "q", flip it
over again and "this is a p". Some people just take a little longer
to accept that the same thing in different positions is indeed
something different. For what it's worth I thought she had a point.
Kimberlee:)
On 7-Jul-08, at 6:22 PM, kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tammy Brock <tammy@...>
>
> Does anyone have a child that that has dyslexia? If so, how have you
> handled
> that with unschooling?
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> Duncan's probably dyslexic. My teacher-friend, Gillian, freaks out
> that
> Dunc still writes all his numbers backwards. Occasionally he writes
> backwards too---mirror image letters.
>
> But I haven't worried at all. He reads a LOT---but writes less
> frequently. Seems to write everything backwards or everything
> forwards---as if there's a switch he flips to write correctly or not.
> He *used* to write everything backwards; now it's every other time or
> so. It's weird. I asked him the other day about his numbers. He asked
> why it mattered. <g> Everyone seems to be able to figure it out. <G>
>
> But since we haven't worried about his reading ---and more
> importantly,
> we haven't worried *in front of him* about it, he's clueless that it's
> a problem, so it's not.
>
> He's 12 now. He reads really well. My guess is that at 16 you won't be
> able to tell he ever struggled at all. And he never *has*
> struggled---but if he had been in school, he *may* have.
>
> There are many "tricks" you can use to help a child with reading,
> including "pink" glasses or pink "film" over the words as well a
> bookmark with a hole cut out to focus on one word at a time.
>
> But unless the *child* wants help, I wouldn't worry about it. Just
> make
> a print-rich environment and read to/for him a lot.
>
> Obviously, I'm in the minority about this. And many people make BIG
> bucks trying to get "dyslexics" to read. I just think that given time
> and support and cool things to read, children will read. In their own
> time, in their own way. It's the *rushing* that's the problem.
>
> ~Kelly
>
> Kelly Lovejoy
> Conference Coordinator
> Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
>
>
>
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Ren Allen
~~Does anyone have a child that that has dyslexia? If so, how have you
handled that with unschooling?~~
The same way we handle anything else...by supporting the person (child
in this case) with what they need and want. Most "dyslexia" resolves
itself just fine if adults just chill out and trust that the child
will learn in their own way and time. Same with math, same with
everything.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
handled that with unschooling?~~
The same way we handle anything else...by supporting the person (child
in this case) with what they need and want. Most "dyslexia" resolves
itself just fine if adults just chill out and trust that the child
will learn in their own way and time. Same with math, same with
everything.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Ren Allen
~~
Obviously, I'm in the minority about this. And many people make BIG
bucks trying to get "dyslexics" to read. I just think that given time
and support and cool things to read, children will read. In their own
time, in their own way. It's the *rushing* that's the problem.~~
I agree.
I've talked to many adults who are truly dyslexic and they said the
best thing for them was time. Most of them figured out their own tools
and methods for decoding....each seems to have a unique way that works
best for them.
Unless a child wants some new tools, I wouldn't worry about it.
Plus, a lot of what LOOKS like "dyslexia" is just a normal
developmental stage. All of my children wrote backwards at some point.
Entire words. None of the reading/writing kids do it now (don't know
about 7y.o. yet as he has zero interest at this point).
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Obviously, I'm in the minority about this. And many people make BIG
bucks trying to get "dyslexics" to read. I just think that given time
and support and cool things to read, children will read. In their own
time, in their own way. It's the *rushing* that's the problem.~~
I agree.
I've talked to many adults who are truly dyslexic and they said the
best thing for them was time. Most of them figured out their own tools
and methods for decoding....each seems to have a unique way that works
best for them.
Unless a child wants some new tools, I wouldn't worry about it.
Plus, a lot of what LOOKS like "dyslexia" is just a normal
developmental stage. All of my children wrote backwards at some point.
Entire words. None of the reading/writing kids do it now (don't know
about 7y.o. yet as he has zero interest at this point).
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
k
That's pretty much the thought in Ron Davis' book too. Makes perfect sense
to me.
~Katherine
to me.
~Katherine
On 7/7/08, Kimberlee <kimmybird@...> wrote:
>
> I once interviewed a professor of education who had what I thought
> were interesting thoughts on dyslexia. She told me she thought many
> children who are thought of as dyslexic are actually reacting normally
> to a new situation. For example, she held up a ball point pen which
> she then held in various positions, pointing up, pointing down,
> pointing to the left and the right. Then she said we've told them all
> their lives that "this is a pen, this is a pen, this is a pen and this
> is a pen". When it comes to letters we say "this is a "b", flip it to
> the left and "this is a d", flip it down and "this is a "q", flip it
> over again and "this is a p". Some people just take a little longer
> to accept that the same thing in different positions is indeed
> something different. For what it's worth I thought she had a point.
>
> Kimberlee:)
>
>
> On 7-Jul-08, at 6:22 PM, kbcdlovejo@... <kbcdlovejo%40aol.com> wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tammy Brock <tammy@...<tammy%40sterlingsoftwaresys.com>
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have a child that that has dyslexia? If so, how have you
> > handled
> > that with unschooling?
> >
> > -=-=-=-=-
> >
> > Duncan's probably dyslexic. My teacher-friend, Gillian, freaks out
> > that
> > Dunc still writes all his numbers backwards. Occasionally he writes
> > backwards too---mirror image letters.
> >
> > But I haven't worried at all. He reads a LOT---but writes less
> > frequently. Seems to write everything backwards or everything
> > forwards---as if there's a switch he flips to write correctly or not.
> > He *used* to write everything backwards; now it's every other time or
> > so. It's weird. I asked him the other day about his numbers. He asked
> > why it mattered. <g> Everyone seems to be able to figure it out. <G>
> >
> > But since we haven't worried about his reading ---and more
> > importantly,
> > we haven't worried *in front of him* about it, he's clueless that it's
> > a problem, so it's not.
> >
> > He's 12 now. He reads really well. My guess is that at 16 you won't be
> > able to tell he ever struggled at all. And he never *has*
> > struggled---but if he had been in school, he *may* have.
> >
> > There are many "tricks" you can use to help a child with reading,
> > including "pink" glasses or pink "film" over the words as well a
> > bookmark with a hole cut out to focus on one word at a time.
> >
> > But unless the *child* wants help, I wouldn't worry about it. Just
> > make
> > a print-rich environment and read to/for him a lot.
> >
> > Obviously, I'm in the minority about this. And many people make BIG
> > bucks trying to get "dyslexics" to read. I just think that given time
> > and support and cool things to read, children will read. In their own
> > time, in their own way. It's the *rushing* that's the problem.
> >
> > ~Kelly
> >
> > Kelly Lovejoy
> > Conference Coordinator
> > Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> > http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Robin
The Ron Davis book is _The Gift of Dyslexia_ his premise is that what
gets diagnosed is really a talent that has the side effect of making it
harder to learn to read. He believes that those diagnosed with dyslexia
are really good at "flipping things in their heads" to see all sides of
it (like the example of moving the pen around, but this would be the
talent of "looking at all sides of the pen" when presented with a
stationary pen). He says that he learned to do this as a toddler when
stressed--in most instances it helped him cope (gave him more accurate
information and mastery of his world). But when he went to read the
stress of "not knowing" what the letter was engaged this otherwise
helpful response and made the letter spin/reorient. (He seems remarkably
aware of his own processes and responses.) This made it more difficult
to understand what the letter was, which led to more stress, which led
to more reorientations, etc.
His book has suggestions for helping those with this talent to anchor
the visual reorientations at will. Slowing down and relaxing is a major
help, I think! I feel like I could have been diagnosed as at least
slightly dyslexic, but I developed my own coping mechanisms. To this day
I have to read a column of numbers very slowly or I wont see the numbers
that are written there (I'll actually see different numbers!)
I also think "ADD" (Attention Distribution Distinction) is a talent that
just gets in the way when a kid is expected to sit still and wait for
the class to catch up. <g>
Robin
Ren Allen wrote:
gets diagnosed is really a talent that has the side effect of making it
harder to learn to read. He believes that those diagnosed with dyslexia
are really good at "flipping things in their heads" to see all sides of
it (like the example of moving the pen around, but this would be the
talent of "looking at all sides of the pen" when presented with a
stationary pen). He says that he learned to do this as a toddler when
stressed--in most instances it helped him cope (gave him more accurate
information and mastery of his world). But when he went to read the
stress of "not knowing" what the letter was engaged this otherwise
helpful response and made the letter spin/reorient. (He seems remarkably
aware of his own processes and responses.) This made it more difficult
to understand what the letter was, which led to more stress, which led
to more reorientations, etc.
His book has suggestions for helping those with this talent to anchor
the visual reorientations at will. Slowing down and relaxing is a major
help, I think! I feel like I could have been diagnosed as at least
slightly dyslexic, but I developed my own coping mechanisms. To this day
I have to read a column of numbers very slowly or I wont see the numbers
that are written there (I'll actually see different numbers!)
I also think "ADD" (Attention Distribution Distinction) is a talent that
just gets in the way when a kid is expected to sit still and wait for
the class to catch up. <g>
Robin
Ren Allen wrote:
> ~~
> Obviously, I'm in the minority about this. And many people make BIG
> bucks trying to get "dyslexics" to read. I just think that given time
> and support and cool things to read, children will read. In their own
> time, in their own way. It's the *rushing* that's the problem.~~
>
> I agree.
> I've talked to many adults who are truly dyslexic and they said the
> best thing for them was time. Most of them figured out their own tools
> and methods for decoding....each seems to have a unique way that works
> best for them.
> Unless a child wants some new tools, I wouldn't worry about it.
>
> Plus, a lot of what LOOKS like "dyslexia" is just a normal
> developmental stage. All of my children wrote backwards at some point.
> Entire words. None of the reading/writing kids do it now (don't know
> about 7y.o. yet as he has zero interest at this point).
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Tammy Brock
Thank you everyone for the replies. My MIL mentioned dyslexia recently
regarding my oldest son so I started looking up info about it on the
internet. I then started to second guess myself and needed reassurance on
the matter from others who felt similarly to me. I have never labeled him
this nor has someone else said anything about this to him. He, however, has
talked with me a couple of times about reading and how he can't do it and
been upset about it. I have reassured him that he will be able to read. With
this in mind, if there is something I can give him or show him to help with
the process then I want to do that or provide it.
Tammy
_____
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of k
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Dyslexia
I just posted something about this on another list. Google Ron Davis. He
is dyslexic and has some good ideas in a book he wrote using tactile/visual
approaches for figuring out written material.
~Katherine
On 7/7/08, Tammy Brock <tammy@sterlingsoftw
<mailto:tammy%40sterlingsoftwaresys.com> aresys.com> wrote:
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
regarding my oldest son so I started looking up info about it on the
internet. I then started to second guess myself and needed reassurance on
the matter from others who felt similarly to me. I have never labeled him
this nor has someone else said anything about this to him. He, however, has
talked with me a couple of times about reading and how he can't do it and
been upset about it. I have reassured him that he will be able to read. With
this in mind, if there is something I can give him or show him to help with
the process then I want to do that or provide it.
Tammy
_____
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of k
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Dyslexia
I just posted something about this on another list. Google Ron Davis. He
is dyslexic and has some good ideas in a book he wrote using tactile/visual
approaches for figuring out written material.
~Katherine
On 7/7/08, Tammy Brock <tammy@sterlingsoftw
<mailto:tammy%40sterlingsoftwaresys.com> aresys.com> wrote:
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>
>
> Does anyone have a child that that has dyslexia? If so, how have you
> handled
> that with unschooling?
>
> Tammy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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