Ren
~Michelle - who watched her children make crowns today and go through
a very lawyeresque argument over queens, kings, princesses and
successions and kept wanting to quote "And so the time has come my
dears to speak of many things. Of ships and shoes and sealing wax
and cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot and whether
pigs have wings." ~
I can picture this quite clearly somehow!!:) lol
I have the privilege of hanging out with Michelle's family regularly and I simply can NOT imagine her inventive, curious children suffering through school.
This list (ok yeah, I'm probably giving too much credit to just one list, but work with me here) has sufficiently altered her thinking to the point of having yet another supporter of radical unschooling in Pensacola!! Wooohooooo.
I think she was already pretty radical though, we just had to work on the unschooling thing a teensy bit.
Ren, unschooling ringleader in P'cola (some choose to call it a big mouth...I prefer ringleader) :)
a very lawyeresque argument over queens, kings, princesses and
successions and kept wanting to quote "And so the time has come my
dears to speak of many things. Of ships and shoes and sealing wax
and cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot and whether
pigs have wings." ~
I can picture this quite clearly somehow!!:) lol
I have the privilege of hanging out with Michelle's family regularly and I simply can NOT imagine her inventive, curious children suffering through school.
This list (ok yeah, I'm probably giving too much credit to just one list, but work with me here) has sufficiently altered her thinking to the point of having yet another supporter of radical unschooling in Pensacola!! Wooohooooo.
I think she was already pretty radical though, we just had to work on the unschooling thing a teensy bit.
Ren, unschooling ringleader in P'cola (some choose to call it a big mouth...I prefer ringleader) :)
Daniel MacIntyre
- not my favorite quote - however, I'm not a big shellfish eater either.
On Apr 5, 2005 2:08 PM, Ren <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
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> ~Michelle - who watched her children make crowns today and go through
> a very lawyeresque argument over queens, kings, princesses and
> successions and kept wanting to quote "And so the time has come my
> dears to speak of many things. Of ships and shoes and sealing wax
> and cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot and whether
> pigs have wings." ~
>
> I can picture this quite clearly somehow!!:) lol
> I have the privilege of hanging out with Michelle's family regularly and I simply can NOT imagine her inventive, curious children suffering through school.
>
> This list (ok yeah, I'm probably giving too much credit to just one list, but work with me here) has sufficiently altered her thinking to the point of having yet another supporter of radical unschooling in Pensacola!! Wooohooooo.
> I think she was already pretty radical though, we just had to work on the unschooling thing a teensy bit.
>
> Ren, unschooling ringleader in P'cola (some choose to call it a big mouth...I prefer ringleader) :)
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Daniel
(Amy is doing a half marathon for Team in Training
Anyone who wants to help can do so by going to:
http://www.active.com/donate/fundraise/tntgmoAMacint )
scrapgal
--- In [email protected], "Ren" <starsuncloud@n...>
wrote:
children suffering through school.
thinking to the point of having yet another supporter of radical
unschooling in Pensacola!! Wooohooooo.
Aw, thanks, Ren. Yes; I am fairly radical, especially for this part
of the country. Lactating for 9 straight years, having more than 2
children, being ultra liberal, gay, a feminist, sahm because I
*want* to, living with my ex, vegetarian, and a Disney lover on top
of that LOL!! Today though I'm having one of those "I want to tie
my 6yo up with duct tape" days.
Food is a big issue with Keon. He has very little ability to "self-
regulate" this includes sleeping and eating. We've tried to let him
learn to self-regulate, but he just doesn't have the ability to.
It's part of his "autistic spectrum." He truly is a child that
needs a bedtime because he doesn't have the ability to recognize
that he is tired and go to sleep. He's up with the sun whether he
goes to bed at 8 pm or 1 am. He is tired and I can recognize that
around 8 pm each night. And he is usually asleep within 5 minutes
of going to bed. Sleeping isn't a problem for him, it is allowing
himself to go to sleep. He literally needs someone to tell
him "it's ok to go to bed now." Food has been the struggle lately.
He's overweight and I know it. To the point where finding clothes
to fit him is nearly impossible. (he has this odd toddler-shaped
body - big belly, little butt with wide hips). Clothes tend to be
either snug or very baggy (he also is this mysterious size that
doesn't exist). We've even tried "husky" sizes to no avail. The
clothes are really a minor issue, it is the eating that concerns
me. He will just eat and eat and eat. He doesn't recognize when he
is full. It isn't that the food will be taken away or limited, it's
that he just doesn't know how to regulate. There has been a huge
argument in our house about food. Keon tends to eat everything
almost indiscrimenantly. He will just start eating. He's almost
like a little PacMan gobbling up everything in sight. It doesn't
matter what it is (except frozen peas) he will eat it. And he
doesn't stop eating even when he has made himself sick from eating.
It just doesn't click. The girls have been screaming at him this
morning because in a matter of 3 days (since I went shopping) he has
eaten all the chips, all the cheese, all the apples, all the nutty
bars, all the cereal, and an entire can of olives. We essentially
are down to 2 eggs, bread, milk, and peanut butter aside from
dinnery foods. So of course the girls are angry because, while they
can self-regulate and decide to or not to eat something, Keon
can't. I'm just at my wits' ends to try to figure out a way to come
to a resolution here and help Keon have some control over his food.
He does tend to be better when he is busy. He doesn't eat as much
when he is around friends, but food is still this huge issue when it
is around (Ren, remember the popcorn incident when we went
bowling). Aside from locking the kitchen cabinets and hiding food
(which was what was done to me) I can't figure out a way to help
him.
Michelle - pulling her hair out today
wrote:
>regularly and I simply can NOT imagine her inventive, curious
>
> I can picture this quite clearly somehow!!:) lol
> I have the privilege of hanging out with Michelle's family
children suffering through school.
>one list, but work with me here) has sufficiently altered her
> This list (ok yeah, I'm probably giving too much credit to just
thinking to the point of having yet another supporter of radical
unschooling in Pensacola!! Wooohooooo.
Aw, thanks, Ren. Yes; I am fairly radical, especially for this part
of the country. Lactating for 9 straight years, having more than 2
children, being ultra liberal, gay, a feminist, sahm because I
*want* to, living with my ex, vegetarian, and a Disney lover on top
of that LOL!! Today though I'm having one of those "I want to tie
my 6yo up with duct tape" days.
Food is a big issue with Keon. He has very little ability to "self-
regulate" this includes sleeping and eating. We've tried to let him
learn to self-regulate, but he just doesn't have the ability to.
It's part of his "autistic spectrum." He truly is a child that
needs a bedtime because he doesn't have the ability to recognize
that he is tired and go to sleep. He's up with the sun whether he
goes to bed at 8 pm or 1 am. He is tired and I can recognize that
around 8 pm each night. And he is usually asleep within 5 minutes
of going to bed. Sleeping isn't a problem for him, it is allowing
himself to go to sleep. He literally needs someone to tell
him "it's ok to go to bed now." Food has been the struggle lately.
He's overweight and I know it. To the point where finding clothes
to fit him is nearly impossible. (he has this odd toddler-shaped
body - big belly, little butt with wide hips). Clothes tend to be
either snug or very baggy (he also is this mysterious size that
doesn't exist). We've even tried "husky" sizes to no avail. The
clothes are really a minor issue, it is the eating that concerns
me. He will just eat and eat and eat. He doesn't recognize when he
is full. It isn't that the food will be taken away or limited, it's
that he just doesn't know how to regulate. There has been a huge
argument in our house about food. Keon tends to eat everything
almost indiscrimenantly. He will just start eating. He's almost
like a little PacMan gobbling up everything in sight. It doesn't
matter what it is (except frozen peas) he will eat it. And he
doesn't stop eating even when he has made himself sick from eating.
It just doesn't click. The girls have been screaming at him this
morning because in a matter of 3 days (since I went shopping) he has
eaten all the chips, all the cheese, all the apples, all the nutty
bars, all the cereal, and an entire can of olives. We essentially
are down to 2 eggs, bread, milk, and peanut butter aside from
dinnery foods. So of course the girls are angry because, while they
can self-regulate and decide to or not to eat something, Keon
can't. I'm just at my wits' ends to try to figure out a way to come
to a resolution here and help Keon have some control over his food.
He does tend to be better when he is busy. He doesn't eat as much
when he is around friends, but food is still this huge issue when it
is around (Ren, remember the popcorn incident when we went
bowling). Aside from locking the kitchen cabinets and hiding food
(which was what was done to me) I can't figure out a way to help
him.
Michelle - pulling her hair out today
soggyboysmom
--- In [email protected], "scrapgal"
<pamperedmichelle@g...> wrote:
syndrome do not get the signal that they are full and need to stop
eating. Their bodies signal "hungry" no matter what to the point of
being physically ill - and then going right back to eating.
<pamperedmichelle@g...> wrote:
>You might want to look into Prader-Willie Syndrome - those with the
> Food is a big issue with Keon. He has very little ability to "self-
> regulate" this includes sleeping and eating. The
> clothes are really a minor issue, it is the eating that concerns
> me. He will just eat and eat and eat. He doesn't recognize when he
> is full. It isn't that the food will be taken away or limited, it's
> that he just doesn't know how to regulate. There has been a huge
> argument in our house about food. Keon tends to eat everything
> almost indiscrimenantly. He will just start eating. He's almost
> like a little PacMan gobbling up everything in sight. It doesn't
> matter what it is (except frozen peas) he will eat it. And he
> doesn't stop eating even when he has made himself sick from eating.
> It just doesn't click.
syndrome do not get the signal that they are full and need to stop
eating. Their bodies signal "hungry" no matter what to the point of
being physically ill - and then going right back to eating.
[email protected]
Michelle, are you (or are you interested?) on being on the Shine with
Unschooling List where we discuss unschooling life with non-typical kids ? We
discuss these types of issues and share our "shining" moments of how are kids are
excelling at being themselves!
When I had a similar problem with my kids eating ALL the cookies or ALL the
candy, I went through a time of putting an appropriate amount in a ziplock bag
and having that available instead of the whole bag. It helped my kids
adjust to a "serving size". Now, it isn't a problem. But it sounds like that
wouldn't work in your case, but maybe some sort of way to portion and
distribute some of his food during the day to help his eyes "see" how much to eat.
Would he object to you keeping boxes of his food in a special place, like one
for each time to eat? the box could contain a ziplock of chips, some cereal
and a nutty bar. If he is still hungry, you could discuss how hungry feels
while you are helping him with more food. Maybe if you divided up all the
snack foods for all the children, he wouldn't feel singled out.
Just some thoughts. I feel like there is a way to do this without being
controlling.
Leslie in SC, whose son also needs to hear "it's bedtime"
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Unschooling List where we discuss unschooling life with non-typical kids ? We
discuss these types of issues and share our "shining" moments of how are kids are
excelling at being themselves!
When I had a similar problem with my kids eating ALL the cookies or ALL the
candy, I went through a time of putting an appropriate amount in a ziplock bag
and having that available instead of the whole bag. It helped my kids
adjust to a "serving size". Now, it isn't a problem. But it sounds like that
wouldn't work in your case, but maybe some sort of way to portion and
distribute some of his food during the day to help his eyes "see" how much to eat.
Would he object to you keeping boxes of his food in a special place, like one
for each time to eat? the box could contain a ziplock of chips, some cereal
and a nutty bar. If he is still hungry, you could discuss how hungry feels
while you are helping him with more food. Maybe if you divided up all the
snack foods for all the children, he wouldn't feel singled out.
Just some thoughts. I feel like there is a way to do this without being
controlling.
Leslie in SC, whose son also needs to hear "it's bedtime"
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scrapgal
--- In [email protected], Leslie530@a... wrote:
my home/unschooling, Disney, SCA and "other" lists. If it isn't too
busy I would definitely be interested.
of "what time it is." He can read clocks and is fairly particular
about "what time it is." I'm thinking of taking 3 or 4 boxes and
writing different times on them. Each night before I go to bed I
can "fill" his boxes with serving sizes. I'll just have to be aware
of when he is awake in the morning as he does like a cooked meal
(usually eggs). We talk about the need for more protein and
sometimes he will tell me that he needs protein. (Actually all my
kids tell me that from time to time.) I'm thinking he would
actually like having all these boxes and bags. Things he could see
as some sort of order. He could actually get fairly anal about it
LOL! And maybe it would help.
This past week we did put names on the everyone's nutty bars and
everyone's chips. But that didn't stop Keon from taking chips out
of his sisters' packages and put them in his own <rolling eyes>.
are going to be unlike the "normal" challenges of life, but I don't
want food to be one of those challenges. I had lots of food control
when I was growing up, to the point where I couldn't have fruit or
cheese without asking for it first. I want my kids to have control
over food instead of the other way around.
came up with that time, but he won't go to bed before then!)
Michelle - feeling less stressed now. I guess I'll go untape the
boy ;-)
> Michelle, are you (or are you interested?) on being on the Shinewith
> Unschooling List where we discuss unschooling life with non-typical kids ? We
> discuss these types of issues and share our "shining" moments ofhow are kids are
> excelling at being themselves!How busy is the list? I'm almost at a saturation point between all
my home/unschooling, Disney, SCA and "other" lists. If it isn't too
busy I would definitely be interested.
> Would he object to you keeping boxes of his food in a specialplace, like one
> for each time to eat? the box could contain a ziplock of chips,some cereal
> and a nutty bar. If he is still hungry, you could discuss howhungry feels
> while you are helping him with more food. Maybe if you dividedup all the
> snack foods for all the children, he wouldn't feel singled out.OK, you've given me an idea here. Keon understands the concept
of "what time it is." He can read clocks and is fairly particular
about "what time it is." I'm thinking of taking 3 or 4 boxes and
writing different times on them. Each night before I go to bed I
can "fill" his boxes with serving sizes. I'll just have to be aware
of when he is awake in the morning as he does like a cooked meal
(usually eggs). We talk about the need for more protein and
sometimes he will tell me that he needs protein. (Actually all my
kids tell me that from time to time.) I'm thinking he would
actually like having all these boxes and bags. Things he could see
as some sort of order. He could actually get fairly anal about it
LOL! And maybe it would help.
This past week we did put names on the everyone's nutty bars and
everyone's chips. But that didn't stop Keon from taking chips out
of his sisters' packages and put them in his own <rolling eyes>.
>without being
> Just some thoughts. I feel like there is a way to do this
> controlling.Exactly. I know Keon will have challenges throughout his life that
are going to be unlike the "normal" challenges of life, but I don't
want food to be one of those challenges. I had lots of food control
when I was growing up, to the point where I couldn't have fruit or
cheese without asking for it first. I want my kids to have control
over food instead of the other way around.
>Nice to hear. BTW, Keon's bedtime is 8:02 pm. (Don't ask me how he
> Leslie in SC, whose son also needs to hear "it's bedtime"
came up with that time, but he won't go to bed before then!)
Michelle - feeling less stressed now. I guess I'll go untape the
boy ;-)
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/6/2005 4:49:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pamperedmichelle@... writes:
How busy is the list? I'm almost at a saturation point between all
my home/unschooling, Disney, SCA and "other" lists. If it isn't too
busy I would definitely be interested.
Although it is pretty quiet right now, it is usually VERY busy! We are a
chatty group, but it is a really good group too.
Leslie in SC
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pamperedmichelle@... writes:
How busy is the list? I'm almost at a saturation point between all
my home/unschooling, Disney, SCA and "other" lists. If it isn't too
busy I would definitely be interested.
Although it is pretty quiet right now, it is usually VERY busy! We are a
chatty group, but it is a really good group too.
Leslie in SC
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