Deschooling self
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Dear all,
Can one can deschool and unschol before having children? I mean, for ourselves?
And, do we unschool with children from birth to six or that is something that starts at "schoil age"?
Thanks
Cm
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Can one can deschool and unschol before having children? I mean, for ourselves?
And, do we unschool with children from birth to six or that is something that starts at "schoil age"?
Thanks
Cm
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mitrisue
--- In [email protected], "catiamaciel@..." <catiamaciel@...> wrote:
Julie
> Can one can deschool and unschol before having children? I mean, forI did. I found out about unschooling, immersed myself in it by joining online groups, reading anything I could find, and soaking it in, and then I quit my teaching job. Three years later I had my first child. Jumping into unschooling wasn't anything I did on purpose. It was more of an irresistible drive.
> ourselves?
Julie
Joyce Fetteroll
On Nov 25, 2011, at 8:44 AM, catiamaciel@... wrote:
I don't think it will be fully effective, though, until the learning
is done instead of school. People have always learned things outside
of school. Pretty much everything people do that isn't a subject in
school, they learn on their own. Where the idea of unschooling makes
sense is when people assume school is necessary for a chunk of
learning but someone chooses instead to learn by living and doing and
exploring.
have much meaning.
An unschooling parent might be living with their kids exactly the same
before school age as they do after school age, but until the "learning
by exploring what interests them" is being done *instead* of school,
then it's living a rich life.
Looked at one way, it doesn't make sense to live the same way with a
child who is 4 and then 5 but call it something different.
Looked at another way, that unschooling is the choice to reject the
idea that school is necessary and instead learn by exploring, then it
does make sense.
Joyce
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> Can one can deschool and unschol before having children? I mean, forSure, why not?
> ourselves?
I don't think it will be fully effective, though, until the learning
is done instead of school. People have always learned things outside
of school. Pretty much everything people do that isn't a subject in
school, they learn on their own. Where the idea of unschooling makes
sense is when people assume school is necessary for a chunk of
learning but someone chooses instead to learn by living and doing and
exploring.
> And, do we unschool with children from birth to six or that is"Not schooling" kids when they wouldn't be in school anyway doesn't
> something that starts at "schoil age"?
have much meaning.
An unschooling parent might be living with their kids exactly the same
before school age as they do after school age, but until the "learning
by exploring what interests them" is being done *instead* of school,
then it's living a rich life.
Looked at one way, it doesn't make sense to live the same way with a
child who is 4 and then 5 but call it something different.
Looked at another way, that unschooling is the choice to reject the
idea that school is necessary and instead learn by exploring, then it
does make sense.
Joyce
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mitrisue
--- In [email protected], "catiamaciel@..." <catiamaciel@...> wrote:
Lots of baby/young kid discussions here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysUnschooled/
Julie
> And, do we unschool with children from birth to six or that is.I found all things unschooling very helpful to contemplate from before the birth of my kids. I do consider myself (with kids ages 3 and 6) to be unschooling, although I could find a different word if I needed it. What I say we're unschooling, I mean that we've diverged from the adult-child pattern of interaction demonstrated clearly in schools but enacted everywhere with kids of all ages.
> something that starts at "schoil age"?
Lots of baby/young kid discussions here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysUnschooled/
Julie
Meredith
"catiamaciel@..." <catiamaciel@...> wrote:
You can start deschooling the moment you leave school - high school anyway. Some college kids do a certain amount of deschooling while living at college - the get to "deschool" some of the "non academic" stuff at least and you can see it in the all night pizza parties and wild drunken escapades ;)
Some people don't ever quite deschool but carry school with them into their adult lives. That's part of why school has become the standard of childcare - because too many parents haven't done enough deschooling.
I've been on unschooling lists for close to a decade, now, and "school age" matters. It's a big, big, big stumbling block for many, many parents who would Like to unschool. There's a Lot of social pressure to put kids in school - from spouses and friends and extended family, from television and books and music and random strangers in the grocery store. "Unschooling" babies and toddlers is no guarantee a family will unschool past school age.
That being said, depending on where you live there's also a Lot of pressure to get kids in "the right pre-school" which is just as hard to manage as the "school age" pressure. So to an extent, it depends on your environment.
It is also the case that deschooling isn't something you ever really stop doing, if you've been through school, yourself. Even seasoned unschoolers will have pangs of "omg, she's 12, she should know..." now and again, as personal issues come up in relation to our kids. If Your history is school, then to an extent that's going to be your means of comparison to your kids. Ray didn't drive at 16 - still isn't driving at 18 - and that brings up schoolish worries for me, worries about keeping up with the norm and doing what the other kids do. Mo's 10, and sometimes I worry that she's not as savvy about this or that as her age-peers. But those are My issues, not things I dump on my kids - that's one thing I have learned from unschooling, how to keep my own just mostly to myself. Mostly ;)
---Meredith
> Can one can deschool and unschol before having children? I mean, for ourselves?*******************
You can start deschooling the moment you leave school - high school anyway. Some college kids do a certain amount of deschooling while living at college - the get to "deschool" some of the "non academic" stuff at least and you can see it in the all night pizza parties and wild drunken escapades ;)
Some people don't ever quite deschool but carry school with them into their adult lives. That's part of why school has become the standard of childcare - because too many parents haven't done enough deschooling.
> And, do we unschool with children from birth to six or that is something that starts at "school age"?**************
I've been on unschooling lists for close to a decade, now, and "school age" matters. It's a big, big, big stumbling block for many, many parents who would Like to unschool. There's a Lot of social pressure to put kids in school - from spouses and friends and extended family, from television and books and music and random strangers in the grocery store. "Unschooling" babies and toddlers is no guarantee a family will unschool past school age.
That being said, depending on where you live there's also a Lot of pressure to get kids in "the right pre-school" which is just as hard to manage as the "school age" pressure. So to an extent, it depends on your environment.
It is also the case that deschooling isn't something you ever really stop doing, if you've been through school, yourself. Even seasoned unschoolers will have pangs of "omg, she's 12, she should know..." now and again, as personal issues come up in relation to our kids. If Your history is school, then to an extent that's going to be your means of comparison to your kids. Ray didn't drive at 16 - still isn't driving at 18 - and that brings up schoolish worries for me, worries about keeping up with the norm and doing what the other kids do. Mo's 10, and sometimes I worry that she's not as savvy about this or that as her age-peers. But those are My issues, not things I dump on my kids - that's one thing I have learned from unschooling, how to keep my own just mostly to myself. Mostly ;)
---Meredith