Why is unschooling better?
rosesgrow1
I am new to all of this and I am wondering why unschooling is
better? I think that is what freezes me in my steps is that you can
teach and not be teaching from a book. My son is in 6th grade and if
things continue how they are, he is going to fail. I am pulling him
out as soon as possible as he has fallen through the cracks since he
is so quiet and wont ask for help. If you unschool dont they still
need to take the FCAT? How do you get around that?
Thanks,
Liz
better? I think that is what freezes me in my steps is that you can
teach and not be teaching from a book. My son is in 6th grade and if
things continue how they are, he is going to fail. I am pulling him
out as soon as possible as he has fallen through the cracks since he
is so quiet and wont ask for help. If you unschool dont they still
need to take the FCAT? How do you get around that?
Thanks,
Liz
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In a message dated 1/26/2005 1:08:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, "rosesgrow1" <rosesgrow1@...> writes:
There are a million reasons unschooling is better than school. Can you think of ONE reason school is better?
I guess they don't *have* to! <g> In SC we have PAC tests. These are ONLY for public schooled children. Private schools may choose a different kind of standardized test. Homeschoolers are not required to test at all here.
What state are you in?
Some unschoolers choose to take the SAT & ACT. They study for it: there are books and websites. They certainly don't need 12 years of school to learn to take a test!
~Kelly
>I am new to all of this and I am wondering why unschooling isBetter than what? School? Because they're free to learn what they want when they want. They can delve into passions and be excited about learning.
>better? <<<<
There are a million reasons unschooling is better than school. Can you think of ONE reason school is better?
>>>>>>>>I think that is what freezes me in my steps is that you canYou can *learn* and *not be learning* from a book. And from anything else as well if you are/aren't interested in it.
>teach and not be teaching from a book.<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>My son is in 6th grade and if things continue how they are, he is going to fail.<<<<<Fail sixth grade school or fail life?
>>>>>>I am pulling him out as soon as possible as he has fallen through the cracks since he is so quiet and wont ask for help.<<<<<<Cool! He probably doesn't ask for help because he'd be ridiculed or shamed. Plus----seeking "help" in school can sometimes be construed as cheating. In the real world, it's what we do when we....um....need help.
>>>>>>If you unschool dont they still need to take the FCAT?<<<<<<What's an FCAT? Seriously. What's an FCAT?
I guess they don't *have* to! <g> In SC we have PAC tests. These are ONLY for public schooled children. Private schools may choose a different kind of standardized test. Homeschoolers are not required to test at all here.
>>>>>>>>How do you get around that? <<<<<<<There are many ways to get around testing. Unschoolers only test if it is required by the state, and *still* there are ways to invalidate the tests.
What state are you in?
Some unschoolers choose to take the SAT & ACT. They study for it: there are books and websites. They certainly don't need 12 years of school to learn to take a test!
~Kelly
Mary
I am so intrigued by this idea. My kids are so bright and awesome. I've just pulled them out of ps to blossom into what they were intended to be. They are 14 & 13 year old young men. The question that is on my mind is: Why can't I just order the Preparation to CAT software and book? I could have them do one page a day and be ready for that "test". Right now they're so busy doing homeschool work they don't have time to "fun" read, or play a boardgame.
I work full time and they do their lessons during the day. We communicate by webcam and Nextel while I'm away. When I get home, we run to the "Y", or the library, or the movies, or basketball practice, or church, or.... you get the picture. Then I'm up at 9 PM helping them finish the alloted pages we've been told to complete per day (prepackaged curriculum).
Any positive feedback is appreciated. I'm not as far along on my "journey" as some of you, but I'm open to suggestions.
Thanks, MaryW
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In a message dated 1/26/2005 1:08:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, "rosesgrow1" <rosesgrow1@...> writes:
There are a million reasons unschooling is better than school. Can you think of ONE reason school is better?
I guess they don't *have* to! <g> In SC we have PAC tests. These are ONLY for public schooled children. Private schools may choose a different kind of standardized test. Homeschoolers are not required to test at all here.
What state are you in?
Some unschoolers choose to take the SAT & ACT. They study for it: there are books and websites. They certainly don't need 12 years of school to learn to take a test!
~Kelly
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I work full time and they do their lessons during the day. We communicate by webcam and Nextel while I'm away. When I get home, we run to the "Y", or the library, or the movies, or basketball practice, or church, or.... you get the picture. Then I'm up at 9 PM helping them finish the alloted pages we've been told to complete per day (prepackaged curriculum).
Any positive feedback is appreciated. I'm not as far along on my "journey" as some of you, but I'm open to suggestions.
Thanks, MaryW
kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/26/2005 1:08:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, "rosesgrow1" <rosesgrow1@...> writes:
>I am new to all of this and I am wondering why unschooling isBetter than what? School? Because they're free to learn what they want when they want. They can delve into passions and be excited about learning.
>better? <<<<
There are a million reasons unschooling is better than school. Can you think of ONE reason school is better?
>>>>>>>>I think that is what freezes me in my steps is that you canYou can *learn* and *not be learning* from a book. And from anything else as well if you are/aren't interested in it.
>teach and not be teaching from a book.<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>My son is in 6th grade and if things continue how they are, he is going to fail.<<<<<Fail sixth grade school or fail life?
>>>>>>I am pulling him out as soon as possible as he has fallen through the cracks since he is so quiet and wont ask for help.<<<<<<Cool! He probably doesn't ask for help because he'd be ridiculed or shamed. Plus----seeking "help" in school can sometimes be construed as cheating. In the real world, it's what we do when we....um....need help.
>>>>>>If you unschool dont they still need to take the FCAT?<<<<<<What's an FCAT? Seriously. What's an FCAT?
I guess they don't *have* to! <g> In SC we have PAC tests. These are ONLY for public schooled children. Private schools may choose a different kind of standardized test. Homeschoolers are not required to test at all here.
>>>>>>>>How do you get around that? <<<<<<<There are many ways to get around testing. Unschoolers only test if it is required by the state, and *still* there are ways to invalidate the tests.
What state are you in?
Some unschoolers choose to take the SAT & ACT. They study for it: there are books and websites. They certainly don't need 12 years of school to learn to take a test!
~Kelly
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<<<<<Right now they're so busy doing homeschool work they don't have time to
"fun" read, or play a boardgame. >>>>>
This is why Unschooling is better.
This is an Unschooling list. It is about getting to Unschooling with joy and
not separating or compartmentalizing life into "learning/work" versus "fun".
The suggestions you are likely receive are going to focus on that, *not* on
how to make the choice of using a prepackaged curriculum work more easily.
My question for you is this: did your sons choose to use this curriculum, or
is it something you imposed? This is a valid question because you use the
words "have them do" in reference to the exam preparation.
It sounds like you have assigned the curriculum because you want to keep
them busy during the day. Most of us find that our kids are perfectly
capable of finding enough in their own interests to keep them occupied.
<<<<Then I'm up at 9 PM helping them finish the alloted pages we've been
told to complete per day (prepackaged curriculum).>>>>
This sounds like a passive way of abrogating responsibility for your choices
by putting it off onto the curriculum, as if it were a sentient entity.
Guess what? You do not *have to* complete any work in the order or time
schedule that the curriculum vendors have designed. Your sons can be in
charge of their own learning schedules.
A curriculum can be treated like a vague overview of the ideas that will be
presented to school students of the same age, a smorgasbord from which
Unschoolers may pick and choose at will based on their interests, and use as
a jumping off point for more investigations.
Please go to www.sandradodd.com/unschooling and read all you can. The parts
about deschooling and the Certificate of Empowerment are two sections you
may find particularly relevant.
Robyn L. Coburn
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"fun" read, or play a boardgame. >>>>>
This is why Unschooling is better.
This is an Unschooling list. It is about getting to Unschooling with joy and
not separating or compartmentalizing life into "learning/work" versus "fun".
The suggestions you are likely receive are going to focus on that, *not* on
how to make the choice of using a prepackaged curriculum work more easily.
My question for you is this: did your sons choose to use this curriculum, or
is it something you imposed? This is a valid question because you use the
words "have them do" in reference to the exam preparation.
It sounds like you have assigned the curriculum because you want to keep
them busy during the day. Most of us find that our kids are perfectly
capable of finding enough in their own interests to keep them occupied.
<<<<Then I'm up at 9 PM helping them finish the alloted pages we've been
told to complete per day (prepackaged curriculum).>>>>
This sounds like a passive way of abrogating responsibility for your choices
by putting it off onto the curriculum, as if it were a sentient entity.
Guess what? You do not *have to* complete any work in the order or time
schedule that the curriculum vendors have designed. Your sons can be in
charge of their own learning schedules.
A curriculum can be treated like a vague overview of the ideas that will be
presented to school students of the same age, a smorgasbord from which
Unschoolers may pick and choose at will based on their interests, and use as
a jumping off point for more investigations.
Please go to www.sandradodd.com/unschooling and read all you can. The parts
about deschooling and the Certificate of Empowerment are two sections you
may find particularly relevant.
Robyn L. Coburn
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Sounds like you live in Florida. We live and unschool in Florida and we
don't take the FCAT or any other test. We are enrolled if a private school for
unschoolers and we only have to report attendance (and it's free :-)
Unschooling allows a family to learn together. It also brings a family
closer together.
Cheryl in FL
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don't take the FCAT or any other test. We are enrolled if a private school for
unschoolers and we only have to report attendance (and it's free :-)
Unschooling allows a family to learn together. It also brings a family
closer together.
Cheryl in FL
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Mary
<<<<"fun" read, or play a boardgame. >>>>>
This is why Unschooling is better.
This is an Unschooling list. It is about getting to Unschooling with joy and
not separating or compartmentalizing life into "learning/work" versus "fun".
The suggestions you are likely receive are going to focus on that, *not* on
how to make the choice of using a prepackaged curriculum work more easily.
Good, because I wasn't looking for suggestions on how "to make the choice of using a prepackaged curriculum work more easily". I am trying to find other avenues. That's why I'm here.
My question for you is this: did your sons choose to use this curriculum, or
is it something you imposed? This is a valid question because you use the
words "have them do" in reference to the exam preparation.
This curriculum was chosen by me because I had just pulled both of my boys out of public school. I was fearful that if I didn't have some awesome totally accredited curriculum in place, the school system would give me a hard time.
It sounds like you have assigned the curriculum because you want to keep
them busy during the day. Most of us find that our kids are perfectly
capable of finding enough in their own interests to keep them occupied.
I don't know where you got that. I don't think that at all. I am here to get other ideas and encouragement. I know my sons are perfectly capable of filling the day w/o any ideas from me or paperwork. My parents live next door and my sisters family next to her. We have horses, dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, skates, etc.
<<<told to complete per day (prepackaged curriculum).>>>>
This sounds like a passive way of abrogating responsibility for your choices
by putting it off onto the curriculum, as if it were a sentient entity.
Guess what? You do not *have to* complete any work in the order or time
schedule that the curriculum vendors have designed. Your sons can be in
charge of their own learning schedules.
Again, out of ignorance of and fear of our homeschool laws. I am here seeking help. Yes, I am aware of my awesome sons.
A curriculum can be treated like a vague overview of the ideas that will be
presented to school students of the same age, a smorgasbord from which
Unschoolers may pick and choose at will based on their interests, and use as
a jumping off point for more investigations.
I will check out the site below. Thank you.
Please go to www.sandradodd.com/unschooling and read all you can. The parts
about deschooling and the Certificate of Empowerment are two sections you
may find particularly relevant.
Robyn L. Coburn
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This is why Unschooling is better.
This is an Unschooling list. It is about getting to Unschooling with joy and
not separating or compartmentalizing life into "learning/work" versus "fun".
The suggestions you are likely receive are going to focus on that, *not* on
how to make the choice of using a prepackaged curriculum work more easily.
Good, because I wasn't looking for suggestions on how "to make the choice of using a prepackaged curriculum work more easily". I am trying to find other avenues. That's why I'm here.
My question for you is this: did your sons choose to use this curriculum, or
is it something you imposed? This is a valid question because you use the
words "have them do" in reference to the exam preparation.
This curriculum was chosen by me because I had just pulled both of my boys out of public school. I was fearful that if I didn't have some awesome totally accredited curriculum in place, the school system would give me a hard time.
It sounds like you have assigned the curriculum because you want to keep
them busy during the day. Most of us find that our kids are perfectly
capable of finding enough in their own interests to keep them occupied.
I don't know where you got that. I don't think that at all. I am here to get other ideas and encouragement. I know my sons are perfectly capable of filling the day w/o any ideas from me or paperwork. My parents live next door and my sisters family next to her. We have horses, dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, skates, etc.
<<<told to complete per day (prepackaged curriculum).>>>>
This sounds like a passive way of abrogating responsibility for your choices
by putting it off onto the curriculum, as if it were a sentient entity.
Guess what? You do not *have to* complete any work in the order or time
schedule that the curriculum vendors have designed. Your sons can be in
charge of their own learning schedules.
Again, out of ignorance of and fear of our homeschool laws. I am here seeking help. Yes, I am aware of my awesome sons.
A curriculum can be treated like a vague overview of the ideas that will be
presented to school students of the same age, a smorgasbord from which
Unschoolers may pick and choose at will based on their interests, and use as
a jumping off point for more investigations.
I will check out the site below. Thank you.
Please go to www.sandradodd.com/unschooling and read all you can. The parts
about deschooling and the Certificate of Empowerment are two sections you
may find particularly relevant.
Robyn L. Coburn
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Ren Allen
"I am new to all of this and I am wondering why unschooling is
better?"
It's not just better, it's the ONLY way to truly honor your child's
interests and intelligence.
Let's just put it in personal terms. What if your dh assigned
you "lessons" to complete each day? What if he either rewarded you
or punished you according to how well you did on those lessons? What
if those lessons were really boring to you, but that butterfly on
the flower outside was very interesting, or that book you really
wanted to read, or that game you couldn't wait to play?
Can you even imagine how damaging his behavior would be to your
relationship?
Can you imagine the resentment you'd feel? And how you'd hate being
told what to do all the time when you really wanted to do other
things?
That's how most children live every day. It sucks.
Unschooling is valuing the child enough to TRUST that they are
intelligent and capable.
That trust says you don't need to coerce them, you don't need
to "teach" anything, you simply need to provide a rich, interesting
environment and they will flourish.
People always ask about "gaps" in learning. Don't we all have them?
Do you know any two adults that have the same knowledge, even in the
same workplace? If certain knowledge is "basic" (or needed
information to survive in a certain society), then isn't it pretty
BASIC to learn it? YES.
Children naturally pick up what they are surrounded by.
My children know a lot of things I don't know, so they really, truly
learn from their interests, whether you are aware of it or not!!:)
Anytime you think you want to try something on your children, or
treat them a certain way, just pretend another adult is doing it to
you and suddenly it changes the way you parent and approach
education.
It changes your entire life. Unschooling is HEALING...it has the
power to heal your old wounds about learning and school. It has the
power to focus your family on relationships, rather than what you
should try and cram into an unwilling childs head. It has the power
to change not only your life, but those around you, as you all
pursue your passions with joy.
Unschooling IS joy!
Unschooling is freedom, it is trusting, it is learning together and
it is the ONLY life for me.:)
Ren
better?"
It's not just better, it's the ONLY way to truly honor your child's
interests and intelligence.
Let's just put it in personal terms. What if your dh assigned
you "lessons" to complete each day? What if he either rewarded you
or punished you according to how well you did on those lessons? What
if those lessons were really boring to you, but that butterfly on
the flower outside was very interesting, or that book you really
wanted to read, or that game you couldn't wait to play?
Can you even imagine how damaging his behavior would be to your
relationship?
Can you imagine the resentment you'd feel? And how you'd hate being
told what to do all the time when you really wanted to do other
things?
That's how most children live every day. It sucks.
Unschooling is valuing the child enough to TRUST that they are
intelligent and capable.
That trust says you don't need to coerce them, you don't need
to "teach" anything, you simply need to provide a rich, interesting
environment and they will flourish.
People always ask about "gaps" in learning. Don't we all have them?
Do you know any two adults that have the same knowledge, even in the
same workplace? If certain knowledge is "basic" (or needed
information to survive in a certain society), then isn't it pretty
BASIC to learn it? YES.
Children naturally pick up what they are surrounded by.
My children know a lot of things I don't know, so they really, truly
learn from their interests, whether you are aware of it or not!!:)
Anytime you think you want to try something on your children, or
treat them a certain way, just pretend another adult is doing it to
you and suddenly it changes the way you parent and approach
education.
It changes your entire life. Unschooling is HEALING...it has the
power to heal your old wounds about learning and school. It has the
power to focus your family on relationships, rather than what you
should try and cram into an unwilling childs head. It has the power
to change not only your life, but those around you, as you all
pursue your passions with joy.
Unschooling IS joy!
Unschooling is freedom, it is trusting, it is learning together and
it is the ONLY life for me.:)
Ren
Ren Allen
"If you unschool dont they still
need to take the FCAT? How do you get around that?"
Liz,
We are answering all of this at pensacolaunschoolers list, which is
a much better place to get Florida information. Unschoolingbasics
has people from all over the country (and other countries), so they
can't possibly know what the FCAT is unless they live in Florida.
We've been talking about the umbrella schools, which is one option
for not doing tests in Florida. You really need to stick with local
people for this stuff.
Ren
need to take the FCAT? How do you get around that?"
Liz,
We are answering all of this at pensacolaunschoolers list, which is
a much better place to get Florida information. Unschoolingbasics
has people from all over the country (and other countries), so they
can't possibly know what the FCAT is unless they live in Florida.
We've been talking about the umbrella schools, which is one option
for not doing tests in Florida. You really need to stick with local
people for this stuff.
Ren
Liz Stevens
**We've been talking about the umbrella schools, which is one option
for not doing tests in Florida. You really need to stick with local
people for this stuff.
**
AH I thought that was where I posted it! LOL
Liz
for not doing tests in Florida. You really need to stick with local
people for this stuff.
**
AH I thought that was where I posted it! LOL
Liz
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Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Why is unschooling better?
"If you unschool dont they still
need to take the FCAT? How do you get around that?"
Liz,
We are answering all of this at pensacolaunschoolers list, which is
a much better place to get Florida information. Unschoolingbasics
has people from all over the country (and other countries), so they
can't possibly know what the FCAT is unless they live in Florida.
We've been talking about the umbrella schools, which is one option
for not doing tests in Florida. You really need to stick with local
people for this stuff.
Ren
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rosesgrow1
No I meant why is unschooling better than conventional
homeschooling. Why do my posts not come to my mail box? LOL I am so
confused about these boards. Can you only post on the actual website?
homeschooling. Why do my posts not come to my mail box? LOL I am so
confused about these boards. Can you only post on the actual website?
Lisette Abbott
Ren, thank you SOOO much for this beautifully
articulated answer!!! BTW, I've been here a bit, just
reading and trying to formulate answers to my own
problem, but this email nicely points me the way.
My problem is my wonderful dh who's so
institutionalized in school that he's having a hard
time with unschooling. Our son and I have gradually
been moving towards unschooling, but dh is
simultaneously resistant and supportive. I think the
problem he has with it is that our son is a lot like
him in that they both love to play video games, design
cool things on the computer, and they both love movies
and music. So, when John (ds) chooses to play games,
or watch Monty Python, or listen to The Corsairs, or
practice his drums for hours on end, dh doesn't think
John's learning anything. He asks ds what he's done
for "school" and I see it in ds's eyes the clamming
up. I also see in dh's eyes the bewilderment wrestling
with frustration. I simply didn't know how to approach
this growing path of unschooling we're now on without
getting defensive when dh makes comments like, "But he
*needs* to know X,Y, or Z" or "We're the parents;
we're supposed to *tell* him X, Y, or Z."
If you don't mind, Ren, I'd like to forward dh your
unschooling philosophy--it so closely correlates with
what's in my heart but that's having a hard time
getting past my tongue.
Many MANY thanks!!!
Sincerely,
Lisette
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articulated answer!!! BTW, I've been here a bit, just
reading and trying to formulate answers to my own
problem, but this email nicely points me the way.
My problem is my wonderful dh who's so
institutionalized in school that he's having a hard
time with unschooling. Our son and I have gradually
been moving towards unschooling, but dh is
simultaneously resistant and supportive. I think the
problem he has with it is that our son is a lot like
him in that they both love to play video games, design
cool things on the computer, and they both love movies
and music. So, when John (ds) chooses to play games,
or watch Monty Python, or listen to The Corsairs, or
practice his drums for hours on end, dh doesn't think
John's learning anything. He asks ds what he's done
for "school" and I see it in ds's eyes the clamming
up. I also see in dh's eyes the bewilderment wrestling
with frustration. I simply didn't know how to approach
this growing path of unschooling we're now on without
getting defensive when dh makes comments like, "But he
*needs* to know X,Y, or Z" or "We're the parents;
we're supposed to *tell* him X, Y, or Z."
If you don't mind, Ren, I'd like to forward dh your
unschooling philosophy--it so closely correlates with
what's in my heart but that's having a hard time
getting past my tongue.
Many MANY thanks!!!
Sincerely,
Lisette
--- Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>=====
> "I am new to all of this and I am wondering why
> unschooling is
> better?"
>
> It's not just better, it's the ONLY way to truly
> honor your child's
> interests and intelligence.
>
> Let's just put it in personal terms. What if your dh
> assigned
> you "lessons" to complete each day? What if he
> either rewarded you
> or punished you according to how well you did on
> those lessons? What
> if those lessons were really boring to you, but that
> butterfly on
> the flower outside was very interesting, or that
> book you really
> wanted to read, or that game you couldn't wait to
> play?
> Can you even imagine how damaging his behavior would
> be to your
> relationship?
> Can you imagine the resentment you'd feel? And how
> you'd hate being
> told what to do all the time when you really wanted
> to do other
> things?
> That's how most children live every day. It sucks.
> Unschooling is valuing the child enough to TRUST
> that they are
> intelligent and capable.
> That trust says you don't need to coerce them, you
> don't need
> to "teach" anything, you simply need to provide a
> rich, interesting
> environment and they will flourish.
>
> People always ask about "gaps" in learning. Don't we
> all have them?
> Do you know any two adults that have the same
> knowledge, even in the
> same workplace? If certain knowledge is "basic" (or
> needed
> information to survive in a certain society), then
> isn't it pretty
> BASIC to learn it? YES.
> Children naturally pick up what they are surrounded
> by.
> My children know a lot of things I don't know, so
> they really, truly
> learn from their interests, whether you are aware of
> it or not!!:)
>
> Anytime you think you want to try something on your
> children, or
> treat them a certain way, just pretend another adult
> is doing it to
> you and suddenly it changes the way you parent and
> approach
> education.
> It changes your entire life. Unschooling is
> HEALING...it has the
> power to heal your old wounds about learning and
> school. It has the
> power to focus your family on relationships, rather
> than what you
> should try and cram into an unwilling childs head.
> It has the power
> to change not only your life, but those around you,
> as you all
> pursue your passions with joy.
> Unschooling IS joy!
> Unschooling is freedom, it is trusting, it is
> learning together and
> it is the ONLY life for me.:)
>
> Ren
>
>
>
>
"You cannot teach a person anything; you can only help him find it within himself." Galileo
Ren Allen
"No I meant why is unschooling better than conventional
homeschooling. "
Same reasons.
School at home is baffling to me now...even though I sorta tried
it.:)
You're saying the school is damaging, that school is not an
effective method of learning, but you're trying to keep parts of it.
Why?
If the school model is not a good one, then let's get a whole new
model.
Unschooling, again, is the ONLY way to truly honor the child's
interests and intelligence.
Ren
homeschooling. "
Same reasons.
School at home is baffling to me now...even though I sorta tried
it.:)
You're saying the school is damaging, that school is not an
effective method of learning, but you're trying to keep parts of it.
Why?
If the school model is not a good one, then let's get a whole new
model.
Unschooling, again, is the ONLY way to truly honor the child's
interests and intelligence.
Ren
Ren Allen
"Ren, thank you SOOO much for this beautifully
articulated answer!!! "
Why thank you Lisette!:)
Can you get your dh up to the unschooling conference? I've seen some
pretty drastic "conversions" by Dads at past conferences. Your
family NEEDS to go!!
Ren
articulated answer!!! "
Why thank you Lisette!:)
Can you get your dh up to the unschooling conference? I've seen some
pretty drastic "conversions" by Dads at past conferences. Your
family NEEDS to go!!
Ren
Lisette Abbott
There's the upcoming Rethinking Education conference
in Irving TX in May. We're definitely going as we'll
be in Texas by then.
Again, thanks so much! :)
Best,
Lisette
--- Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
"You cannot teach a person anything; you can only help him find it within himself." Galileo
in Irving TX in May. We're definitely going as we'll
be in Texas by then.
Again, thanks so much! :)
Best,
Lisette
--- Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>=====
> "Ren, thank you SOOO much for this beautifully
> articulated answer!!! "
>
>
> Why thank you Lisette!:)
>
> Can you get your dh up to the unschooling
> conference? I've seen some
> pretty drastic "conversions" by Dads at past
> conferences. Your
> family NEEDS to go!!
>
> Ren
>
>
>
>
>
"You cannot teach a person anything; you can only help him find it within himself." Galileo
mamaaj2000
--- In [email protected], "rosesgrow1"
<rosesgrow1@b...> wrote:
schoolers. I ran screaming away when a discussion came up about how
to get the kids to do the work--which I was thinking was fun
activites! Most of the people used rewards and punishment CONSTANTLY
in order to get the kids to do what they wanted. They had to keep
coming up with new ways to "motivate" the kids. It seemed like such a
huge waste to go from being an AP parent and respecting a child's
needs and wants to manipulating them hourly to stay on task. Beside
which, it didn't seem to work too well.
There are so many resources available on the internet that you can
let your children follow their interests and they will learn amazing
amounts without a curriculm that boxes them into learning certain
facts in a certain way.
Just a couple of many reasons!
--aj
<rosesgrow1@b...> wrote:
>I was on a couple different lists for people homeschooling their pre-
> No I meant why is unschooling better than conventional
> homeschooling.
schoolers. I ran screaming away when a discussion came up about how
to get the kids to do the work--which I was thinking was fun
activites! Most of the people used rewards and punishment CONSTANTLY
in order to get the kids to do what they wanted. They had to keep
coming up with new ways to "motivate" the kids. It seemed like such a
huge waste to go from being an AP parent and respecting a child's
needs and wants to manipulating them hourly to stay on task. Beside
which, it didn't seem to work too well.
There are so many resources available on the internet that you can
let your children follow their interests and they will learn amazing
amounts without a curriculm that boxes them into learning certain
facts in a certain way.
Just a couple of many reasons!
--aj
Nichole Fausey-Khosraviani
That is not in May this year. It is in September.
Nichole
Nichole
----- Original Message -----
From: Lisette Abbott
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Why is unschooling better?
There's the upcoming Rethinking Education conference
in Irving TX in May. We're definitely going as we'll
be in Texas by then.
Again, thanks so much! :)
Best,
Lisette
--- Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>
> "Ren, thank you SOOO much for this beautifully
> articulated answer!!! "
>
>
> Why thank you Lisette!:)
>
> Can you get your dh up to the unschooling
> conference? I've seen some
> pretty drastic "conversions" by Dads at past
> conferences. Your
> family NEEDS to go!!
>
> Ren
>
>
>
>
>
=====
"You cannot teach a person anything; you can only help him find it within himself." Galileo
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I checked the website *after* I posted the email and
realized it's in September this year. Last year was in
May, and I was working off the flier from last year.
Thanks!
~Lisette
--- Nichole Fausey-Khosraviani <ms_fausey@...>
wrote:
"You cannot teach a person anything; you can only help him find it within himself." Galileo
realized it's in September this year. Last year was in
May, and I was working off the flier from last year.
Thanks!
~Lisette
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> Nichole
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lisette Abbott
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Why is
> unschooling better?
>
>
> There's the upcoming Rethinking Education
> conference
> in Irving TX in May. We're definitely going as
> we'll
> be in Texas by then.
>
> Again, thanks so much! :)
>
> Best,
> Lisette
>
> --- Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Ren, thank you SOOO much for this beautifully
> > articulated answer!!! "
> >
> >
> > Why thank you Lisette!:)
> >
> > Can you get your dh up to the unschooling
> > conference? I've seen some
> > pretty drastic "conversions" by Dads at past
> > conferences. Your
> > family NEEDS to go!!
> >
> > Ren
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> =====
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> help him find it within himself." Galileo
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