flyingtwinsmom

My girls came to me when they woke up and told me that they dropped the digital camera into the tub water last night while they were washing the cat. It's a $225 camera. They tried to take care of it last night because dad was home and they didn't want him to find out. I checked the camera and can't even get it to come on. I've put it in a bag of rice hoping that will help, but I don't have much hope. I told her (the daughter that actually dropped it) I wish she had come to me last night because I might have been able to save it or at least taken the batteries out and dry the camera. Anyway, she has offered her Christmas money and to work for the difference. I know she feels bad, but I am very upset also. We don't have the money to replace it and they know better!! I've always let them use it but taught them that they need to keep the strap around them so it doesn't fall. I am struggling to get myself calm and not act like I would have prior to unschooling. I'm just so upset that on top of other expenses that I can't pay, I now have to either charge a new camera or go without.Ugh- Will someone please help me to see a way to be calm? To see solutions that I'm too upset to see right now?
Thanks
Bonni

Kelly Lovejoy

What would happen/how would you and your husband react if one of YOU had accidently done the same thing?


Cameron has lost or broken *several* cameras---including a very, very nice one (as well as iPods, iPhones, and...well...almost anything with an "i" in it) . It's become a joke around here that he *will* ruin/damage/lose an electronic gadget. He's gotten to where he just doesn't carry one any more.


I was upset about the first camera---not at *him*---just in general because it was such a fine camera (it was stolen at knifepoint in Mexico).


It helped to put it (all of the mishaps) in perspective: if Ben or *I* had lost/ruined something, we'd just have to wait until we could afford to replace it. We'd be sad---and maybe upset---but we'd know that it wasn't done on purpose. It was an accident or something unavoidable---AT THE TIME. Maybe we just lost our *minds* for a moment. Sometimes that's all it takes.


If *I* knew that one or both of you would be so mad/upset, I might not be forthcoming when it first happened either. Knowing that a parent will assume the BEST, not the WORST, in the child will help the child "come clean" about what happens in a more timely manner. If she knew that you'd be sad, but understanding, she might have come to you immediately to see whether it was fixable.


Fear often prohibits honesty.


I'd brainstorm ways to fund a new one, but I'd realize we have to wait until we can afford it. Consider Craigslist, Freecycle, friends. Look for sales (remember: you're in no hurry!) and coupons and such. Be patient and understanding. She feels bad enough already.




~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
"There is no single effort more radical in its potential for saving the world than a transformation of the way we raise our children." Marianne Williamson



-----Original Message-----
From: flyingtwinsmom <flyingtwinsmom@...>
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] help me with my response please


My girls came to me when they woke up and told me that they dropped the digital
camera into the tub water last night while they were washing the cat. It's a
$225 camera. They tried to take care of it last night because dad was home and
they didn't want him to find out. I checked the camera and can't even get it to
come on. I've put it in a bag of rice hoping that will help, but I don't have
much hope. I told her (the daughter that actually dropped it) I wish she had
come to me last night because I might have been able to save it or at least
taken the batteries out and dry the camera. Anyway, she has offered her
Christmas money and to work for the difference. I know she feels bad, but I am
very upset also. We don't have the money to replace it and they know better!!
I've always let them use it but taught them that they need to keep the strap
around them so it doesn't fall. I am struggling to get myself calm and not act
like I would have prior to unschooling. I'm just so upset
that on top of other expenses that I can't pay, I now have to either charge a
new camera or go without.Ugh- Will someone please help me to see a way to be
calm? To see solutions that I'm too upset to see right now?
Thanks
Bonni





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Schuyler

Linnaea broke a window once. She and a friend were throwing rocks and they
managed to throw a rock that broke one of our windows. Her friend told her not
to tell me. She told me. I breathed and we moved forward.


Your daughters told you. That's really cool. That's really, really cool. They
knew that they'd done something destructive and wrong and they told you and
looked for ways to make it right. That's really, really cool.


It helps to know that accidents happen. I broke a bread bowl that was my
grandmother's. Irreplaceable. Can't do anything about it. Can't get another bowl
from her, she died when I was 18. David glued it back together, but it won't
hold dough. So, you move forward knowing that accidents happen and that it's
just a part of life.


Schuyler

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Faith Void

I understand that ideally it would have been better for them to tell you
immediately. That didn't happen but they now know that is what to do next
time. If you act in a way that they can trust telling you the truth.

It seems clear that she is regretful and that it was an accident with no
malice. Everyone makes mistakes. Mistakes are a large part of how we learn.
Once when I was angry that my phone was not functioning properly, I threw it
(yes very mature of me). It didn't break but I got the message that it would
if I chose to do that again. My husband did not need to punish me in any
way. I didn't even need anyone to talk about it with me. I bought a new case
and I have never thrown it again. And it has frustrated me.

Perhaps you could ask that the camera not be placed so close to water. Or
better yet brainstorm with your kids about how you can work together to try
not to let that same thing happen again.

I wouldn't take her Christmas money. The thought it genuine. Or perhaps when
you can replace your camera get one for your children. We gave each of our
older children a camera (with underwater housing). They really enjoyed
it thoroughly. It wasn't expensive, $100. We researched them to be sure they
were sturdy and could handle a 5 & 11 year olds treatment.

Faith

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:09 AM, flyingtwinsmom
<flyingtwinsmom@...>wrote:

>
>
> My girls came to me when they woke up and told me that they dropped the
> digital camera into the tub water last night while they were washing the
> cat. It's a $225 camera. They tried to take care of it last night because
> dad was home and they didn't want him to find out. I checked the camera and
> can't even get it to come on. I've put it in a bag of rice hoping that will
> help, but I don't have much hope. I told her (the daughter that actually
> dropped it) I wish she had come to me last night because I might have been
> able to save it or at least taken the batteries out and dry the camera.
> Anyway, she has offered her Christmas money and to work for the difference.
> I know she feels bad, but I am very upset also. We don't have the money to
> replace it and they know better!! I've always let them use it but taught
> them that they need to keep the strap around them so it doesn't fall. I am
> struggling to get myself calm and not act like I would have prior to
> unschooling. I'm just so upset that on top of other expenses that I can't
> pay, I now have to either charge a new camera or go without.Ugh- Will
> someone please help me to see a way to be calm? To see solutions that I'm
> too upset to see right now?
> Thanks
> Bonni
>
>
>



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www.bearthmama.com


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lylaw

I agree with kelly. last year I stepped on my brand new laptop in the dark and broke the screen. it cost 250- to repair. I felt so stupid and angry with myself for leaving it in stepping range, but if my husband had been mad at me, instead of understanding, that would have definitely made things worse and might have inspired me to not share such mistakes with him in the future. I *knew* better than to leave it on the floor in the dark – but we all make mistakes about which we know better! I waded into a swimming pool 5 years ago, with my cell phone in my pocket. I am sure I could think of many other examples.

lyla
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Kelly Lovejoy

I've jumped in the pool with non-waterproof watches, cell phones, iPods, cameras---all sorts of expensive items on me/ in my pockets. Ruined.


I remember when I was 13, I was walking down the beach with a camera---with the little handle *safely* on my wrist. I reached down to pick up a shell, and the camera fell into a small pool of saltwater. By morning it was rusted through.


That was way back (1973) when cameras were never given to children to use because they were so expensive---and the film was so precious!


Digital cameras can be had for a song now! Maybe buying 3-4 low price ones would be smarter than buying one expensive one as a replacement.


~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
"There is no single effort more radical in its potential for saving the world than a transformation of the way we raise our children." Marianne Williamson



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From: lylaw <lylaw@...>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] help me with my response please


I waded into a swimming pool 5 years ago, with my cell phone in my pocket. I am sure I could think of many other
examples.





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JJ

I washed my own cellphone, in a pants pocket. Dead! Expensive! We got a good laugh and a sheepish story out of it.

JJ

--- In [email protected], "lylaw" <lylaw@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with kelly. last year I stepped on my brand new laptop in the dark and broke the screen. it cost 250- to repair. I felt so stupid and angry with myself for leaving it in stepping range, but if my husband had been mad at me, instead of understanding, that would have definitely made things worse and might have inspired me to not share such mistakes with him in the future. I *knew* better than to leave it on the floor in the dark â€" but we all make mistakes about which we know better! I waded into a swimming pool 5 years ago, with my cell phone in my pocket. I am sure I could think of many other examples.
>

Heather B.

I dropped mine into a toilet. Twice. :/ I've also dropped it into a puddle, a full sink, on the pavement etc. etc. etc.

The kids dropped my camera on the basement concrete and destroyed it. The joy they received from making short videos with my camera far outweighs any anger I might have had when it broke.

Accidents happen. Things break. It's part of life. I try not to hold anything as sacred except my relationships with my children.

Heather

--- In [email protected], "JJ" <jrossedd@...> wrote:
>
> I washed my own cellphone, in a pants pocket. Dead! Expensive! We got a good laugh and a sheepish story out of it.
>
> JJ
>
> --- In [email protected], "lylaw" <lylaw@> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with kelly. last year I stepped on my brand new laptop in the dark and broke the screen. it cost 250- to repair. I felt so stupid and angry with myself for leaving it in stepping range, but if my husband had been mad at me, instead of understanding, that would have definitely made things worse and might have inspired me to not share such mistakes with him in the future. I *knew* better than to leave it on the floor in the dark â€" but we all make mistakes about which we know better! I waded into a swimming pool 5 years ago, with my cell phone in my pocket. I am sure I could think of many other examples.
> >
>

Kelly Lovejoy

I did too once. All that talking dirty I'd been doing---I guess I thought it needed washing. <g>


~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
"There is no single effort more radical in its potential for saving the world than a transformation of the way we raise our children." Marianne Williamson



-----Original Message-----
From: JJ <jrossedd@...>
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: help me with my response please


I washed my own cellphone, in a pants pocket. Dead! Expensive! We got a good
laugh and a sheepish story out of it.





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Deb Lewis

Anyone might have dropped the camera. If you had seen your girls washing the cat (Poor Cat!) you might have been the one to decide you wanted a picture, you might have been the one to drop the camera.

The general assumption about children seems to be that if a child breaks or loses something it's because he or she didn't care about the value of the item and was being irresponsible. If an adult breaks or loses something it's an unfortunate accident.

Let your response be the same as it would be if you had been the one to drop the camera in water. Don't take anybody's christmas money. Broken cameras happen. (I'm sorry about your camera, though. Poopy. )

Deb Lewis





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flyingtwinsmom

Thank you all! I needed a lot of time to breath. In fact, I set down and worked on coloring a very detailed picture to relax and breath. Then I needed to get something to eat so we all went to DQ. Helped me feel better. :)

I know it was an accident, and yes, I probably would have wanted a picture too. I haven't told dh which is my next worry. He gives them a very hard time and a big lecture every time they don't take care of something. I'm going to work now on softening things where he's concerned. I just needed someone to tell me to get over it. Accidents happen. Thanks again.

Faith Void

Is it possible to tell him in a way that no one is blamed?

Faith

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:43 PM, flyingtwinsmom
<flyingtwinsmom@...>wrote:

> I haven't told dh which is my next worry. He gives them a very hard time
> and a big lecture every time they don't take care of something. I'm going to
> work now on softening things where he's concerned. I just needed someone to
> tell me to get over it. Accidents happen. Thanks again.
>
>
> __
>
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Monica Van Stelton

Hello
I know how frustrating it is....My son broke 2 cellphones in the past couple of months...A blackberry and a iphone....So this is the 3rd phone I buy....He threw my hair brush in the toilet....And one of his brand new shoe in the recycling! Luckily I grabbed it from the big container outside few minutes before the trash truck came...I know he is little but all it is part of learning...and hard to avoid... My computer crashed and lost all the baby videos and pictures from my son's birth and up to he was 9 months....plus other pictures taken years ago...but what can I do...
I guess your daughters will learn that things don't come easy...And that it is better to tell right away than hide it...I think the key is when they do come to tell not to get upset but rather thanking them for telling you and figure out a way to get a new camera...Maybe you could have a garage sale and they can find things to sell...Sell cookies and other things...
When my son broke the second phone, this time it was was an accident, I got really mad...The worst part wasn't that he broke it but the time it took to get a straight answer and help from att...and of course the money I had to spend...plus getting upset...I wish I didn't. Now I have a phone...but can't erase the bad time we had.
Anyway, I am sorry that that happened to you! 
Best wishes,
Monica

--- On Wed, 2/23/11, flyingtwinsmom <flyingtwinsmom@...> wrote:

From: flyingtwinsmom <flyingtwinsmom@...>
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] help me with my response please
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:09 AM
















 









My girls came to me when they woke up and told me that they dropped the digital camera into the tub water last night while they were washing the cat. It's a $225 camera. They tried to take care of it last night because dad was home and they didn't want him to find out. I checked the camera and can't even get it to come on. I've put it in a bag of rice hoping that will help, but I don't have much hope. I told her (the daughter that actually dropped it) I wish she had come to me last night because I might have been able to save it or at least taken the batteries out and dry the camera. Anyway, she has offered her Christmas money and to work for the difference. I know she feels bad, but I am very upset also. We don't have the money to replace it and they know better!! I've always let them use it but taught them that they need to keep the strap around them so it doesn't fall. I am struggling to get myself calm and not act like I would have prior to
unschooling. I'm just so upset that on top of other expenses that I can't pay, I now have to either charge a new camera or go without.Ugh- Will someone please help me to see a way to be calm? To see solutions that I'm too upset to see right now?

Thanks

Bonni






























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aldq75

Kodak makes an "easy share" camera that costs less than $100. Around (U.S) Thanksgiving, you can usually get them for about $50; Amazon has the silver version for $61 right now. The model number is c182. We bought one for our 6yo and were pleasantly surprised with the quality.

Andrea Q

--- In [email protected], "flyingtwinsmom" <flyingtwinsmom@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you all! I needed a lot of time to breath. In fact, I set down and worked on coloring a very detailed picture to relax and breath. Then I needed to get something to eat so we all went to DQ. Helped me feel better. :)
>
> I know it was an accident, and yes, I probably would have wanted a picture too. I haven't told dh which is my next worry. He gives them a very hard time and a big lecture every time they don't take care of something. I'm going to work now on softening things where he's concerned. I just needed someone to tell me to get over it. Accidents happen. Thanks again.
>

Stephanie Lavan

This post reminds me of a website I visit when my little ones have not so
small accidents. It reminds me that accidents happen and it is not "just my
kid" that creates chaos. Here is the website so commiserate.

http://www.shitmykidsruined.com/

Stephanie

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Deb Lewis <d.lewis@...> wrote:

>
>
> Anyone might have dropped the camera. If you had seen your girls washing
> the cat (Poor Cat!) you might have been the one to decide you wanted a
> picture, you might have been the one to drop the camera.
>
> The general assumption about children seems to be that if a child breaks or
> loses something it's because he or she didn't care about the value of the
> item and was being irresponsible. If an adult breaks or loses something it's
> an unfortunate accident.
>
> Let your response be the same as it would be if you had been the one to
> drop the camera in water. Don't take anybody's christmas money. Broken
> cameras happen. (I'm sorry about your camera, though. Poopy. )
>
> Deb Lewis
>
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>
>
>



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Stephanie


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Nicole Willoughby

Accidents happen. Things break. It's part of life. I try not to hold
anything as sacred except my relationships with my children.>>>>

Thanks Heather :)

Not to long ago my son decided to swing my camera around by the strap...he is severly autistic with the mental capacity of a 2 year old . It wasn't done maliciously and neither was many things that my girls have done.

nearly 2 years ago my heart stopped beating and I was clinically dead for several minutes because of an unknown genetic heart condition. About 6 months ago it stopped again. This time luckily I had a defibrilator in place. It went off and all was well.
Another mom lost her daughter a few years back. I don't know this lady except from reading her blog in the past ...I think the girls name was Hannah.

When ever they do something that makes me want to scream what were you thinking? I remember that nothing no matter how expensive is more important than my relationship with them and how lucky I am to get continue experiencing all the happy momments and yes even the temporary moments of anger.

Nicole







--- On Wed, 2/23/11, Heather B. <heather@...> wrote:

From: Heather B. <heather@...>
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: help me with my response please
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 1:18 PM







 









I dropped mine into a toilet. Twice. :/ I've also dropped it into a puddle, a full sink, on the pavement etc. etc. etc.



The kids dropped my camera on the basement concrete and destroyed it. The joy they received from making short videos with my camera far outweighs any anger I might have had when it broke.



Accidents happen. Things break. It's part of life. I try not to hold anything as sacred except my relationships with my children.



Heather



--- In [email protected], "JJ" <jrossedd@...> wrote:

>

> I washed my own cellphone, in a pants pocket. Dead! Expensive! We got a good laugh and a sheepish story out of it.

>

> JJ

>

> --- In [email protected], "lylaw" <lylaw@> wrote:

> >

> > I agree with kelly. last year I stepped on my brand new laptop in the dark and broke the screen. it cost 250- to repair. I felt so stupid and angry with myself for leaving it in stepping range, but if my husband had been mad at me, instead of understanding, that would have definitely made things worse and might have inspired me to not share such mistakes with him in the future. I *knew* better than to leave it on the floor in the dark â€" but we all make mistakes about which we know better! I waded into a swimming pool 5 years ago, with my cell phone in my pocket. I am sure I could think of many other examples.

> >

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