question about x box and turn taking
mari teaches
Hello, first I want to say I am bad at english, my written english is better
than voice english, which i am extremely happy you guys can't hear. if i say
something please don't assume, please ask. I know what i mean and want to
say but how it comes out is different. i write here because i have had a 3
day break of headaches and migraines and dont want to post to regular hs
groups and get stressed and argue about why its horrible to limit what
children want. because i do not limit my boys game play. so here goes.
So we are new x-boxers we have had ps3 well 2 of them for many years since
they came out. and we ust got back our taxes and we decided that we would
buy a whole new system and even though we dont need a new tv because we have
many in back home we were not going to buy another tv. but ok so here is the
thing, this weekend we went and got the x box and a new tv and a surround
system for it, thats just how we do things lol. and a few games, anyways we
spent wow alot.
my question is I seen others i think here whom that have the xbox and since
this is my first x box system and last time when i worked at circuit city I
have known them for the ring of death when over heated? so anyways when we
came home with the surprise for the boys who thought we went food shopping
after the initial shocked and awwed, I explained that the x box needs times
of off time because they over heat and its a $400 unit, though with warrenty
and boughten warrenty i dont want the unit to die. of course they said ok
and we have way too many other things to entertain us and we will share and
give it off times too.
ok here is the thing, we have had the unit 3 days, 3 boys trying to share
it which is very hard for them. my 14 year old is starting to fight with the
youngers and manipulate them and takes up all the time and then the system
is getting really hot, needs to be turned off and then after an hour or two
the next child can go on, but with my 14 year old hovering over their back
and trying to force them off or deliberately makes them loose.
i try to continue to do as always getting my 14 year old to engage in other
things with me or the ps3 or his air soft guns or the dog, he wants no part
of it. i know the x box is very new to them as they have not had the x box,
but they are certainly not new to video games, we have 2 ps3's 1 psp, had
the wii(until it was stolen), and had the game cube.
the video games have never ever been limited, so i still do not understand
why is my 14 y/o acting this way, he is the only one acting that way. also i
am very worried about the system being on for so long, especially between
the 3 boys and then when dad is on on sundays as thats his only time to play
for a few hours. last night the system already froze. after spending a
hefty $1200 for the whole system and games and such i dont want the unit to
break. its not like the ps3 where as that thing in our house the boys plays
it all the time, it maybe is off for 2-5 hours per 24 hours.
i don't know what to do because i asked them nicely today before i went to
my physical therapy to please turn off the x box and use the ps3 and other
game systems and other entertainments and let the x box rest it was on for 5
hours straight already. they turned it off right before i left, when i came
back lol, they had the ac on high blast freezing house poor baby bearded
dragons were cold even with their lights, fan on the x box and were playing
it. i asked them when it was turned on, they said as soon as the garage
doors closed behind me. i said well, please turn off the ac and help me get
the dragons warm, they were so cold they were hudled on top of eachother.
i do not want to limit the x box because i have never limited any games,
what message would that send to them? but at the same time i want to protect
our very costly investment and not have to depend on having to deal with the
over heating issues and such. its just hard because i dont limit anything of
my boys so i dont feel comfortable already but how can i also protect the
unit and our money.
dad is flying back home sunday, to finish getting the rest of our stuff to
hopefully finish this crazy move, so that we can finally hook back up the
2nd ps3, that way there will be again the 2 ps3's usable and now the xbox
too all on different tv's, but it still seems they argue over who gets to
play when and for how long. mainly my 14 y/o argues, and if i am not there
to make sure he isnt physically hurting his brothers and he will do anything
at all cost to them to get what he wants no matter what, even if he has
freely access to 100 things 24/7. so it becomes an issue, now today he is
telling me im stupid and i dont know anything about game system because i
dont "play" them. i do, lol if i got the chance, but they are just on the
systems so much and i cerainly am not the energizer bunny to wait out my
turn, so i gave up video games and stick with the computer. he said this
because i said the x box needs a break, there is the ps3 to use until the x
box cools down inside, even after the blasting ac iced house and the fan in
it this morning, it was still warm and not cooling down. though im worried
for the baby dragons? i will have to see how to increase their heat i guess?
any help i can do nicely for them, tomorrow is supposed to be park day,
which the boys really look forward to and ask for, i doubt my 14 y/o will
want to go. which is fine, but i just dont know about the x box and how all
this game constant play may make it break because its not getting enough
cool down time? i wish it was like the ps3 lol, then i would not have to
deal with that issue, just the taking turns ordeal. i am not sure if we will
be getting another x box anytime soon. we only had 2 ps3's because my boys
dad helped someone sell his car and he got a brand new $600 ps3 out of it
with a few games lol, and the other we bought. if we do, it will not be
until x mas, we certainly are not rocker feller.
early this afternoon he almost yanked my 10 y/o out of the room, just about
hitting his head off the door, off the x box while he was playing the kinect
part saying he wants to play and he didnt want to wait any longer. he was on
it right before my 10 y/o got on . he actually gets the longest play time
than the other boys do, because of his constant nagging at them, argueing at
them, and disruppting them, they get tired of it and just get off. i dont
want that to happen either how can they all have their wanted time on the x
box? i just dont understand, seriously i do not limit games at all, and they
have free access to them when they want. yet my oldest acts like he has
never seen one, getts aggresive, and i want them to be respectful or at
mindful or eachtohers wants and needs. sorry this is extremely long
any help from other people with x boxes about the heating issue and please
inform me of them? and how can i make peace between the brothers with the
game systems issue, and alfredo's aggression towrds his his brothers over
the games systems, when theres plenty for him to do?
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than voice english, which i am extremely happy you guys can't hear. if i say
something please don't assume, please ask. I know what i mean and want to
say but how it comes out is different. i write here because i have had a 3
day break of headaches and migraines and dont want to post to regular hs
groups and get stressed and argue about why its horrible to limit what
children want. because i do not limit my boys game play. so here goes.
So we are new x-boxers we have had ps3 well 2 of them for many years since
they came out. and we ust got back our taxes and we decided that we would
buy a whole new system and even though we dont need a new tv because we have
many in back home we were not going to buy another tv. but ok so here is the
thing, this weekend we went and got the x box and a new tv and a surround
system for it, thats just how we do things lol. and a few games, anyways we
spent wow alot.
my question is I seen others i think here whom that have the xbox and since
this is my first x box system and last time when i worked at circuit city I
have known them for the ring of death when over heated? so anyways when we
came home with the surprise for the boys who thought we went food shopping
after the initial shocked and awwed, I explained that the x box needs times
of off time because they over heat and its a $400 unit, though with warrenty
and boughten warrenty i dont want the unit to die. of course they said ok
and we have way too many other things to entertain us and we will share and
give it off times too.
ok here is the thing, we have had the unit 3 days, 3 boys trying to share
it which is very hard for them. my 14 year old is starting to fight with the
youngers and manipulate them and takes up all the time and then the system
is getting really hot, needs to be turned off and then after an hour or two
the next child can go on, but with my 14 year old hovering over their back
and trying to force them off or deliberately makes them loose.
i try to continue to do as always getting my 14 year old to engage in other
things with me or the ps3 or his air soft guns or the dog, he wants no part
of it. i know the x box is very new to them as they have not had the x box,
but they are certainly not new to video games, we have 2 ps3's 1 psp, had
the wii(until it was stolen), and had the game cube.
the video games have never ever been limited, so i still do not understand
why is my 14 y/o acting this way, he is the only one acting that way. also i
am very worried about the system being on for so long, especially between
the 3 boys and then when dad is on on sundays as thats his only time to play
for a few hours. last night the system already froze. after spending a
hefty $1200 for the whole system and games and such i dont want the unit to
break. its not like the ps3 where as that thing in our house the boys plays
it all the time, it maybe is off for 2-5 hours per 24 hours.
i don't know what to do because i asked them nicely today before i went to
my physical therapy to please turn off the x box and use the ps3 and other
game systems and other entertainments and let the x box rest it was on for 5
hours straight already. they turned it off right before i left, when i came
back lol, they had the ac on high blast freezing house poor baby bearded
dragons were cold even with their lights, fan on the x box and were playing
it. i asked them when it was turned on, they said as soon as the garage
doors closed behind me. i said well, please turn off the ac and help me get
the dragons warm, they were so cold they were hudled on top of eachother.
i do not want to limit the x box because i have never limited any games,
what message would that send to them? but at the same time i want to protect
our very costly investment and not have to depend on having to deal with the
over heating issues and such. its just hard because i dont limit anything of
my boys so i dont feel comfortable already but how can i also protect the
unit and our money.
dad is flying back home sunday, to finish getting the rest of our stuff to
hopefully finish this crazy move, so that we can finally hook back up the
2nd ps3, that way there will be again the 2 ps3's usable and now the xbox
too all on different tv's, but it still seems they argue over who gets to
play when and for how long. mainly my 14 y/o argues, and if i am not there
to make sure he isnt physically hurting his brothers and he will do anything
at all cost to them to get what he wants no matter what, even if he has
freely access to 100 things 24/7. so it becomes an issue, now today he is
telling me im stupid and i dont know anything about game system because i
dont "play" them. i do, lol if i got the chance, but they are just on the
systems so much and i cerainly am not the energizer bunny to wait out my
turn, so i gave up video games and stick with the computer. he said this
because i said the x box needs a break, there is the ps3 to use until the x
box cools down inside, even after the blasting ac iced house and the fan in
it this morning, it was still warm and not cooling down. though im worried
for the baby dragons? i will have to see how to increase their heat i guess?
any help i can do nicely for them, tomorrow is supposed to be park day,
which the boys really look forward to and ask for, i doubt my 14 y/o will
want to go. which is fine, but i just dont know about the x box and how all
this game constant play may make it break because its not getting enough
cool down time? i wish it was like the ps3 lol, then i would not have to
deal with that issue, just the taking turns ordeal. i am not sure if we will
be getting another x box anytime soon. we only had 2 ps3's because my boys
dad helped someone sell his car and he got a brand new $600 ps3 out of it
with a few games lol, and the other we bought. if we do, it will not be
until x mas, we certainly are not rocker feller.
early this afternoon he almost yanked my 10 y/o out of the room, just about
hitting his head off the door, off the x box while he was playing the kinect
part saying he wants to play and he didnt want to wait any longer. he was on
it right before my 10 y/o got on . he actually gets the longest play time
than the other boys do, because of his constant nagging at them, argueing at
them, and disruppting them, they get tired of it and just get off. i dont
want that to happen either how can they all have their wanted time on the x
box? i just dont understand, seriously i do not limit games at all, and they
have free access to them when they want. yet my oldest acts like he has
never seen one, getts aggresive, and i want them to be respectful or at
mindful or eachtohers wants and needs. sorry this is extremely long
any help from other people with x boxes about the heating issue and please
inform me of them? and how can i make peace between the brothers with the
game systems issue, and alfredo's aggression towrds his his brothers over
the games systems, when theres plenty for him to do?
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aldq75
The newer Xbox units are supposed to shut themselves off when they start to get too hot. We have had a Kinect system since the end of November. Some days, it is on for 18 hours and we haven't had any overheating issues.
Could there be something else bothering your 14 yo?
Andrea Q
Could there be something else bothering your 14 yo?
Andrea Q
--- In [email protected], mari teaches <mari.teaches@...> wrote:
> and how can i make peace between the brothers with the
> game systems issue, and alfredo's aggression towrds his his brothers over
> the games systems, when theres plenty for him to do?
>
>
Tina Tarbutton
I can't help with the sharing issue, because I only have 1 child, however I
do not believe the overheating issue is as much of an issue anymore, at
least not in my house. Draven turns it on when he wakes up, and falls
asleep to it (on netflix) at night. It turns itself off 3 hours after he
stops using the controller which is the only reason it's not on 24 hours a
day.
It was originally my mothers system, and didn't get played often, however
he's had it since mid December and with the exception of a few days it's
been on for 18+ hours a day every day. We've never had a problem.
Considering that you have not only the warranty that came with the system,
but also it sounds like you bought the extended warranty, I would just let
that issue go. If it does overheat (which I doubt) then they'll be without
it for a few days while it's repaired/replaced. Possibly warn them of that
once up front, then let that issue go.
Hope someone else can help you with the sharing issue.
Tina
do not believe the overheating issue is as much of an issue anymore, at
least not in my house. Draven turns it on when he wakes up, and falls
asleep to it (on netflix) at night. It turns itself off 3 hours after he
stops using the controller which is the only reason it's not on 24 hours a
day.
It was originally my mothers system, and didn't get played often, however
he's had it since mid December and with the exception of a few days it's
been on for 18+ hours a day every day. We've never had a problem.
Considering that you have not only the warranty that came with the system,
but also it sounds like you bought the extended warranty, I would just let
that issue go. If it does overheat (which I doubt) then they'll be without
it for a few days while it's repaired/replaced. Possibly warn them of that
once up front, then let that issue go.
Hope someone else can help you with the sharing issue.
Tina
Schuyler
The newer xboxes have a better cooling system. We've not had a problem with
either of the two that we have no matter how long they are left on. We don't
have the newest xbox, the kinect system, but our two older models seem to be
fine with high use.I would relax about it. Here's an article about xboxes
freezing that might help you to figure out the problem:
http://www.gxpblog.com/technical-support/does-your-xbox-360-keep-freezing/. I
would absolutely not have that be part of your worry. Step back from that aspect
of the xbox and just work to deal with how they can all play together or
alternately without coming to blows.
Its a new thing, its a new and very, very cool thing. Come up with ways so that
your oldest son gets to play as much as he wants to. Talk to him about times
when he can play without being pushed off by the younger two. Sit in the room
with them, if you can, and be the calmer, the distracter, the one who can help
to smooth over rougher moments. Be very, very present. It is this really, really
desirable new thing. Everybody wants time on it, everybody wants to explore the
xbox. Negotiating that will be a difficult process.
We have two xboxes and two children. It was 2 years before Simon and Linnaea
decided that they really wanted a second one. They'd discussed it before, but it
took 2 years for them to decide that they wanted a second one enough for it to
happen. With your three, maybe a second xbox is a more pressing need. Maybe as
part of your move you can see if you can come up with the $300.00 dollars it
would take to get a second xbox--without kinect or with a smaller hard
drive--and set it up on one of the televisions with a ps3 on it. That way there
are more options then waiting for a turn that never feels long enough.
Having a park day where your eldest gets to stay home and play without
interruption is fabulous. When you come home it will help a lot if rather than
having the younger two quickly come bouncing in asking for a turn, if you all do
something else and let your eldest disengage from what he's doing at a much
slower pace. It may also help if you call him and tell him when you are on your
way home so that he can at least be kind of braced for the intrusion into his
absorption.
Are there games for the PS3 that any one of your guys have been wanting to get?
If you got that could it pull away at least one person's interest in the xbox?
Are there special things that one of them likes to do with you? Can you offer to
do that while someone else is having a go on the xbox? Protect each persons
engagement with the xbox by offering other engagements with you or with other
cool things. Swooping in and taking the two younger boys out so that the older
boy can have time on the xbox is a really good thing to do. Go out and get ice
cream somewhere, or go for a walk or a play with someone else. And work it so
that the younger two can have time on the xbox each as well. Talk to the eldest
about a game he'd like to play on the PS3 or about doing something else for
little while so that his brothers also get time to explore the new and cool
thing without being nudged.
Schuyler
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either of the two that we have no matter how long they are left on. We don't
have the newest xbox, the kinect system, but our two older models seem to be
fine with high use.I would relax about it. Here's an article about xboxes
freezing that might help you to figure out the problem:
http://www.gxpblog.com/technical-support/does-your-xbox-360-keep-freezing/. I
would absolutely not have that be part of your worry. Step back from that aspect
of the xbox and just work to deal with how they can all play together or
alternately without coming to blows.
Its a new thing, its a new and very, very cool thing. Come up with ways so that
your oldest son gets to play as much as he wants to. Talk to him about times
when he can play without being pushed off by the younger two. Sit in the room
with them, if you can, and be the calmer, the distracter, the one who can help
to smooth over rougher moments. Be very, very present. It is this really, really
desirable new thing. Everybody wants time on it, everybody wants to explore the
xbox. Negotiating that will be a difficult process.
We have two xboxes and two children. It was 2 years before Simon and Linnaea
decided that they really wanted a second one. They'd discussed it before, but it
took 2 years for them to decide that they wanted a second one enough for it to
happen. With your three, maybe a second xbox is a more pressing need. Maybe as
part of your move you can see if you can come up with the $300.00 dollars it
would take to get a second xbox--without kinect or with a smaller hard
drive--and set it up on one of the televisions with a ps3 on it. That way there
are more options then waiting for a turn that never feels long enough.
Having a park day where your eldest gets to stay home and play without
interruption is fabulous. When you come home it will help a lot if rather than
having the younger two quickly come bouncing in asking for a turn, if you all do
something else and let your eldest disengage from what he's doing at a much
slower pace. It may also help if you call him and tell him when you are on your
way home so that he can at least be kind of braced for the intrusion into his
absorption.
Are there games for the PS3 that any one of your guys have been wanting to get?
If you got that could it pull away at least one person's interest in the xbox?
Are there special things that one of them likes to do with you? Can you offer to
do that while someone else is having a go on the xbox? Protect each persons
engagement with the xbox by offering other engagements with you or with other
cool things. Swooping in and taking the two younger boys out so that the older
boy can have time on the xbox is a really good thing to do. Go out and get ice
cream somewhere, or go for a walk or a play with someone else. And work it so
that the younger two can have time on the xbox each as well. Talk to the eldest
about a game he'd like to play on the PS3 or about doing something else for
little while so that his brothers also get time to explore the new and cool
thing without being nudged.
Schuyler
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plaidpanties666
mari teaches <mari.teaches@...> wrote:
"Having to" share can have the same effect as limiting, though, which is why many unschoolers have multiple game systems ;) Since its probably not possible to get another xbox right away, brainstorm some ideas with your guys for right now. Given the situation, it might be helpful for the 14yo to have "turns" that last a whole day or even a whole week! That might sound like a lot, but it could be worth it to the other kids if you put lots of energy into helping them find other things to do in the interim.
If the overheating thing turns out not to be a problem (and I have No idea), see if the 14yo will switch to a different sleep/wake cycle than the rest of the family so that he can have big chuncks of time when everyone else is asleep. That was, esentially our solution when Ray was 14 - he took the vampire shift, as it were, and could play games as long as he wanted that way.
---Meredith
>> the video games have never ever been limited, so i still do not understand**************
> why is my 14 y/o acting this way, he is the only one acting that way.
"Having to" share can have the same effect as limiting, though, which is why many unschoolers have multiple game systems ;) Since its probably not possible to get another xbox right away, brainstorm some ideas with your guys for right now. Given the situation, it might be helpful for the 14yo to have "turns" that last a whole day or even a whole week! That might sound like a lot, but it could be worth it to the other kids if you put lots of energy into helping them find other things to do in the interim.
If the overheating thing turns out not to be a problem (and I have No idea), see if the 14yo will switch to a different sleep/wake cycle than the rest of the family so that he can have big chuncks of time when everyone else is asleep. That was, esentially our solution when Ray was 14 - he took the vampire shift, as it were, and could play games as long as he wanted that way.
---Meredith
Gwen Montoya
Can you brainstorm on games they can play together? Many games are two
player and some are up to four player. Maybe if two take their turn at the
same time, that would free up some more time for your 14 year old?
Gwen
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:40 AM, plaidpanties666 <plaidpanties666@...
player and some are up to four player. Maybe if two take their turn at the
same time, that would free up some more time for your 14 year old?
Gwen
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:40 AM, plaidpanties666 <plaidpanties666@...
> wrote:[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> mari teaches <mari.teaches@...> wrote:
> >> the video games have never ever been limited, so i still do not
> understand
> > why is my 14 y/o acting this way, he is the only one acting that way.
> **************
>
> "Having to" share can have the same effect as limiting, though, which is
> why many unschoolers have multiple game systems ;) Since its probably not
> possible to get another xbox right away, brainstorm some ideas with your
> guys for right now. Given the situation, it might be helpful for the 14yo to
> have "turns" that last a whole day or even a whole week! That might sound
> like a lot, but it could be worth it to the other kids if you put lots of
> energy into helping them find other things to do in the interim.
>
> If the overheating thing turns out not to be a problem (and I have No
> idea), see if the 14yo will switch to a different sleep/wake cycle than the
> rest of the family so that he can have big chuncks of time when everyone
> else is asleep. That was, esentially our solution when Ray was 14 - he took
> the vampire shift, as it were, and could play games as long as he wanted
> that way.
>
> ---Meredith
>
>
>