responsibility to our kids
danajeh
Hi everyone,
There is something I've been thinking about and would like to hear your thoughts.
My kids pretty much do what I do. If I go to bed at 9pm so do they. If I stay up until 1am, so do they. If I reach for cookies, they want cookies. If I get busy with other things and don't have cookies, they also just get busy with other things and don't think about cookies. If I spend all day at the computer, they spend their day at the other computer or watching tv. But if I stay away from the computer and keep busy with other things they magically do too.
I know I've just hit the big three: sleep, food and screen time ;-) but it seems to apply to everything in my house: If I get inspired to do something arty, they follow right behind. If I'm in a crummy mood, they quickly catch it. If I get inspired to clean up the house, my kids join right in (really! :)
This is a lot of responsibility!
From the very beginning it just didn't seem fair for me to inflict my own lifetime accumulation of habits upon these young people. Or at least not the ones I consider "bad", the ones that I've struggled with about myself. If I have some issues and tend to overeat (not in a joyful way, but in a "I started with two cookies and now somehow the whole box is gone and I feel awful") what do I do about my kids who are looking at me as a role model and copying everything I do? What if I go through a period of depression or burn out and am really struggling to get the minimum done, and there is a lack of joy and inspiration in their lives that they seem to need me to provide or else they themselves don't have it?
My thinking goes like this: I'm human, I'm not perfect! And that's OKAY :-) But, when I'm doing X it affects my kids negatively. Oh no! I love my kids and don't want to be the one to inflict crummy stuff on them. Wait -I could pretend! I could *act* in a good way, even if it's not what I really feel like at that moment. But then I don't feel like I'm being authentic. I feel like a hypocrite. And manipulating! And I feel like we have missed an opportunity to learn something about being human, making mistakes, loving each other, etc.
Talk me down, people!!! LOL
Jen
There is something I've been thinking about and would like to hear your thoughts.
My kids pretty much do what I do. If I go to bed at 9pm so do they. If I stay up until 1am, so do they. If I reach for cookies, they want cookies. If I get busy with other things and don't have cookies, they also just get busy with other things and don't think about cookies. If I spend all day at the computer, they spend their day at the other computer or watching tv. But if I stay away from the computer and keep busy with other things they magically do too.
I know I've just hit the big three: sleep, food and screen time ;-) but it seems to apply to everything in my house: If I get inspired to do something arty, they follow right behind. If I'm in a crummy mood, they quickly catch it. If I get inspired to clean up the house, my kids join right in (really! :)
This is a lot of responsibility!
From the very beginning it just didn't seem fair for me to inflict my own lifetime accumulation of habits upon these young people. Or at least not the ones I consider "bad", the ones that I've struggled with about myself. If I have some issues and tend to overeat (not in a joyful way, but in a "I started with two cookies and now somehow the whole box is gone and I feel awful") what do I do about my kids who are looking at me as a role model and copying everything I do? What if I go through a period of depression or burn out and am really struggling to get the minimum done, and there is a lack of joy and inspiration in their lives that they seem to need me to provide or else they themselves don't have it?
My thinking goes like this: I'm human, I'm not perfect! And that's OKAY :-) But, when I'm doing X it affects my kids negatively. Oh no! I love my kids and don't want to be the one to inflict crummy stuff on them. Wait -I could pretend! I could *act* in a good way, even if it's not what I really feel like at that moment. But then I don't feel like I'm being authentic. I feel like a hypocrite. And manipulating! And I feel like we have missed an opportunity to learn something about being human, making mistakes, loving each other, etc.
Talk me down, people!!! LOL
Jen
plaidpanties666
"danajeh" <danajeh@...> wrote:
Think of it this way: you can opt to make better choices in the moment. That's not "pretending" its a conscious act of decision making rather than responding to impulses in a knee-jerk fashion.
One of the marvels of being human is we get to decide who we are - that's an idea that's at the root of unschooling, that we can create an environment that gives kids a wider ranges of choices for deciding who they are at any given moment. It applies just as well to adults - you can actively choose who you are from minute to minute, rather than running on autopilot. You can't always choose how to feel (although to a large extent you can do that, too) but you Can choose what to do about it - hunker down or forge ahead, look for ways to shift your thinking, or call a friend, or get out of the house so your mood isn't affecting the people around you so drastically. None of those involved "pretending" anything at all, they're different ways of dealing with a sour mood.
I'm guessing, if your kids follow along with what you do, that they're pretty young. It's normal for kids to do a lot of that when they're little. They also likely have a lot of need for attention, connection, and socializing - also normal. So doing what you do is how they're learning about the world right now, and that includes both the positive and negative aspects of human behavior. Its intimidating to realize just how much of the world you're "showing" them!
Is that happening or is it a worry? If it's happening, call on whatever support network you have to come and do things with the kids, or take them out. If its a really serious issue, and you've no-one to help you put them in school, that's what its there for. You don't have to be the limits of your child's world!
If you're just worrying, though, don't fret that a few off days now and then will somehow ruin your kids forever. Human nature has ups and downs, good moments and bad. How you handle those in the moment - the choices you make - is what's important. You get to choose to choose who to be.
---Meredith
>when I'm doing X it affects my kids negatively. Oh no! I love my kids and don't want to be the one to inflict crummy stuff on them. Wait -I could pretend! I could *act* in a good way****************
Think of it this way: you can opt to make better choices in the moment. That's not "pretending" its a conscious act of decision making rather than responding to impulses in a knee-jerk fashion.
>>I don't feel like I'm being authentic. I feel like a hypocrite.Why? Do you think your personality is no more than the sum of your impulses?
One of the marvels of being human is we get to decide who we are - that's an idea that's at the root of unschooling, that we can create an environment that gives kids a wider ranges of choices for deciding who they are at any given moment. It applies just as well to adults - you can actively choose who you are from minute to minute, rather than running on autopilot. You can't always choose how to feel (although to a large extent you can do that, too) but you Can choose what to do about it - hunker down or forge ahead, look for ways to shift your thinking, or call a friend, or get out of the house so your mood isn't affecting the people around you so drastically. None of those involved "pretending" anything at all, they're different ways of dealing with a sour mood.
I'm guessing, if your kids follow along with what you do, that they're pretty young. It's normal for kids to do a lot of that when they're little. They also likely have a lot of need for attention, connection, and socializing - also normal. So doing what you do is how they're learning about the world right now, and that includes both the positive and negative aspects of human behavior. Its intimidating to realize just how much of the world you're "showing" them!
>>What if I go through a period of depression or burn out and am really struggling to get the minimum done,************
Is that happening or is it a worry? If it's happening, call on whatever support network you have to come and do things with the kids, or take them out. If its a really serious issue, and you've no-one to help you put them in school, that's what its there for. You don't have to be the limits of your child's world!
If you're just worrying, though, don't fret that a few off days now and then will somehow ruin your kids forever. Human nature has ups and downs, good moments and bad. How you handle those in the moment - the choices you make - is what's important. You get to choose to choose who to be.
---Meredith
jennifer huck
plaidpanties666 <plaidpanties666@...> wrote:
opting to make better choices in the moment, which are different from my
automatic responses and different from what society in general does, for 12
years now and I am TIRED lol. My kids are 11 and 8 and I have worked hard in
order to be an attached, respectful parent. It is much easier now than when
they were little, but still...they do still mirror back to me everything I feel
and do, the good and the bad. Like I said: the responsibility! And like you
said: it's intimidating!
I'm thinking part of this is a problem of perfectionism. The difference between
what I can visualize as possible and the reality that I sometimes won't do the
"right" thing even when I can see what the "right" thing is. It's really crummy
to know of a positive, connecting way to handle a situation but to just not have
the energy to follow through. Like right now I could be doing something with my
daughter while my son is at his robotics class. She would love it if we would
work more on some of the crafts we've started but instead I am at the computer
and she is playing her DS. Nothing wrong with the computer or the DS, but it
does get to be a default "crutch" type of activity.
I am feeling burned out. For a while I've felt like I'm dragging...not
depressed, and we're getting through our days just fine...but where's my spark??
I am keeping all the balls in the air, but am working harder and harder to do
it, if you know what I mean. I need...something. I'm just not sure what
exactly I need so I will feel recharged, energized, excited to interact with my
kids. I do get down time, and I know I could get more if I wanted it. I do
have great friends that I see regularly. Hmmm...
Ideas? Inspiration?
Jen (off to interact with my daughter :)
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>>Think of it this way: you can opt to make better choices in the moment. That'sThat makes sense and is very helpful. I think my problem is that I have been
>>not "pretending" its a conscious act of decision making rather than responding
>>to impulses in a knee-jerk fashion.
opting to make better choices in the moment, which are different from my
automatic responses and different from what society in general does, for 12
years now and I am TIRED lol. My kids are 11 and 8 and I have worked hard in
order to be an attached, respectful parent. It is much easier now than when
they were little, but still...they do still mirror back to me everything I feel
and do, the good and the bad. Like I said: the responsibility! And like you
said: it's intimidating!
I'm thinking part of this is a problem of perfectionism. The difference between
what I can visualize as possible and the reality that I sometimes won't do the
"right" thing even when I can see what the "right" thing is. It's really crummy
to know of a positive, connecting way to handle a situation but to just not have
the energy to follow through. Like right now I could be doing something with my
daughter while my son is at his robotics class. She would love it if we would
work more on some of the crafts we've started but instead I am at the computer
and she is playing her DS. Nothing wrong with the computer or the DS, but it
does get to be a default "crutch" type of activity.
I am feeling burned out. For a while I've felt like I'm dragging...not
depressed, and we're getting through our days just fine...but where's my spark??
I am keeping all the balls in the air, but am working harder and harder to do
it, if you know what I mean. I need...something. I'm just not sure what
exactly I need so I will feel recharged, energized, excited to interact with my
kids. I do get down time, and I know I could get more if I wanted it. I do
have great friends that I see regularly. Hmmm...
Ideas? Inspiration?
Jen (off to interact with my daughter :)
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Lesley Cross
Jen, where is your spark? What is it that sparks you?
Some of us find it really easy to get involved with our families out of our
love and desire to help them live fulfilled lives and forget that we have
interests and loves and passions that don't necessarily involve them. (And
I know some are absolutely fulfilled and happy devoted to nothing but their
families- and that's wonderful, but some of us just aren't and that's okay
too). And then we get burned out because our own sparks aren't being tended.
Taking care of yourself is your first responsibility to your children, and
it's so much easier to give and be loving and see them fulfilling their
desires when we are allowing it for ourselves. All the conscious decision
making in the world doesn't make up for not giving yourself what you need-
which are the exact same things we want to give our children.
Lesley
immerse. emerge. thrive
http://www.lesleyreidcross.wordpress.com
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Some of us find it really easy to get involved with our families out of our
love and desire to help them live fulfilled lives and forget that we have
interests and loves and passions that don't necessarily involve them. (And
I know some are absolutely fulfilled and happy devoted to nothing but their
families- and that's wonderful, but some of us just aren't and that's okay
too). And then we get burned out because our own sparks aren't being tended.
Taking care of yourself is your first responsibility to your children, and
it's so much easier to give and be loving and see them fulfilling their
desires when we are allowing it for ourselves. All the conscious decision
making in the world doesn't make up for not giving yourself what you need-
which are the exact same things we want to give our children.
Lesley
immerse. emerge. thrive
http://www.lesleyreidcross.wordpress.com
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Kelly Lovejoy
Apply to host a guide dog puppy. That opened a whole new world for us. It's tough giving him up, but think how he can change someone's life!
Start a garden; start another one, then another. Take up fencing. Paint every room in the house. Learn to tile and change your bathroom; then your kitchen. Start beekeeping. Finish the room over the garage: make two rooms---a music room and an art room. Get chickens. Coordinate an unschooling conference (or six).
These were all some of the things I've done over the years. I did them for *me* (well, not the fencing---I did that for Duncan, but then I liked it too!) . But the boys got a lot out of them too because they like to be beside me and do stuff with me---or at least enjoy the end results!
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
"There is no single effort more radical in its potential for saving the world than a transformation of the way we raise our children." Marianne Williamson
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From: jennifer huck <danajeh@...>
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Ideas? Inspiration?
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Start a garden; start another one, then another. Take up fencing. Paint every room in the house. Learn to tile and change your bathroom; then your kitchen. Start beekeeping. Finish the room over the garage: make two rooms---a music room and an art room. Get chickens. Coordinate an unschooling conference (or six).
These were all some of the things I've done over the years. I did them for *me* (well, not the fencing---I did that for Duncan, but then I liked it too!) . But the boys got a lot out of them too because they like to be beside me and do stuff with me---or at least enjoy the end results!
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
"There is no single effort more radical in its potential for saving the world than a transformation of the way we raise our children." Marianne Williamson
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From: jennifer huck <danajeh@...>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: responsibility to our kids
Ideas? Inspiration?
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jennifer huck
Yes I think I am someone who got fully involved in my family (by choice, and I
love it!) and kind of forgot about myself. The kids, the parenting, the
homemaking, the philosophy of respectful parenting, unschooling, etc were my
passions and have consumed my life for 12 years.
Those are still important to me, but now my kids are getting older and more
independent and I'm hitting mid-life (yikes!) and I don't know what to do with
myself. I do know that the best thing I can do for my kids at this stage is to
get a life for myself :-)
Wait! How did I get here from my original post?! I guess if I was feeling more
inspired and sparky I wouldn't be sitting around on the computer eating too many
cookies and feeling bad about the effect that has on my kids, huh?
Jen
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love it!) and kind of forgot about myself. The kids, the parenting, the
homemaking, the philosophy of respectful parenting, unschooling, etc were my
passions and have consumed my life for 12 years.
Those are still important to me, but now my kids are getting older and more
independent and I'm hitting mid-life (yikes!) and I don't know what to do with
myself. I do know that the best thing I can do for my kids at this stage is to
get a life for myself :-)
Wait! How did I get here from my original post?! I guess if I was feeling more
inspired and sparky I wouldn't be sitting around on the computer eating too many
cookies and feeling bad about the effect that has on my kids, huh?
Jen
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Schuyler
Cookies are good. I like cookies and brownies and cakes and these little bars my
grandmother got the recipe for off the back of an can of Eagle Brand sweetened
condensed milk. Eating a lot of them can be fun too. I like dipping cookies in
milk or tea, and the cookie sludge at the bottom is an added boon. I had a
really good brownie last night when David, Linnaea and I got home from dancing.
Oh, that was good. I left half of it for David to take to work with him so that
he could have that serious pleasure in the middle of a not so seriously pleasant
day.
Your concerns about your habits becoming your children's habits suggest that you
need to look at your habits in a different light. For example, if I notice, and
this isn't something I've seen for a long time, but if I noticed say Linnaea
going and getting bag after bag of lunch box sized (the standard size for UK
chips) cheese puffs I might ask if that was what she was hungry for or if it was
just what was easy to access. Are you eating cookies because that's what you are
hungry for or is it because it's what is easy to access?
We just cancelled our satellite provider subscription. The money was better than
the service. We still have quite a few satellite channels, just not so many. The
television is almost never turned to any more. And I was the one who turned to
it the most. But not having such easy access to okay programmes has changed my
habits. Instead I sit and play ukulele or watch a Hercules dvd with Simon or
felt a scarf for David or play Bananagrams with Linnaea or play fetch with the
dog. It wasn't the television that kept me from doing any of those things. And I
certainly don't recommend that others get rid of their cable or satellite in the
hope that they will be inspired to do different things. Downsizing our
television access was a long discussed decision and if any one of us wanted to
resubscribe we'd find the money to do so.
Just as I don't recommend throwing out your television, I don't recommend
getting rid of cookies, just thinking about them before you eat. Are you eating
them as a passive response to hunger and boredom or are you eating them because
cookies can be amazing and wonderful and glorious and good? Are you sitting at
the computer because it is what you want to do or because you can't really think
of anything worth the greater effort it may take to do something more? Sometimes
that is an absolutely fine response, sometimes reaching for an easy option is a
good way of spending time, but maybe it isn't always the better option.
Lists can help. I think I just wrote this. But lists of things to do can help. I
have lists on the fridge of things to do near us. Having a list of things to do
at home could be a good reference for you. Things that you like to do, things
you want to try, things you'd like to have to try.
Sometimes it's hard to see a way out, the only way out of a kind of inertia is a
single step forward at a time. Look for small changes you can make to your day,
look for different ways to embrace doing things with your kids, look for
different options for snacks, bake some things, make some things, go out for
cookies somewhere. Do something a little different, look at things a little
different. Small steps, small changes will build to big differences.
Schuyler
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From: jennifer huck <danajeh@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 14 January, 2011 0:01:17
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: responsibility to our kids
Yes I think I am someone who got fully involved in my family (by choice, and I
love it!) and kind of forgot about myself. The kids, the parenting, the
homemaking, the philosophy of respectful parenting, unschooling, etc were my
passions and have consumed my life for 12 years.
Those are still important to me, but now my kids are getting older and more
independent and I'm hitting mid-life (yikes!) and I don't know what to do with
myself. I do know that the best thing I can do for my kids at this stage is to
get a life for myself :-)
Wait! How did I get here from my original post?! I guess if I was feeling more
inspired and sparky I wouldn't be sitting around on the computer eating too many
cookies and feeling bad about the effect that has on my kids, huh?
Jen
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grandmother got the recipe for off the back of an can of Eagle Brand sweetened
condensed milk. Eating a lot of them can be fun too. I like dipping cookies in
milk or tea, and the cookie sludge at the bottom is an added boon. I had a
really good brownie last night when David, Linnaea and I got home from dancing.
Oh, that was good. I left half of it for David to take to work with him so that
he could have that serious pleasure in the middle of a not so seriously pleasant
day.
Your concerns about your habits becoming your children's habits suggest that you
need to look at your habits in a different light. For example, if I notice, and
this isn't something I've seen for a long time, but if I noticed say Linnaea
going and getting bag after bag of lunch box sized (the standard size for UK
chips) cheese puffs I might ask if that was what she was hungry for or if it was
just what was easy to access. Are you eating cookies because that's what you are
hungry for or is it because it's what is easy to access?
We just cancelled our satellite provider subscription. The money was better than
the service. We still have quite a few satellite channels, just not so many. The
television is almost never turned to any more. And I was the one who turned to
it the most. But not having such easy access to okay programmes has changed my
habits. Instead I sit and play ukulele or watch a Hercules dvd with Simon or
felt a scarf for David or play Bananagrams with Linnaea or play fetch with the
dog. It wasn't the television that kept me from doing any of those things. And I
certainly don't recommend that others get rid of their cable or satellite in the
hope that they will be inspired to do different things. Downsizing our
television access was a long discussed decision and if any one of us wanted to
resubscribe we'd find the money to do so.
Just as I don't recommend throwing out your television, I don't recommend
getting rid of cookies, just thinking about them before you eat. Are you eating
them as a passive response to hunger and boredom or are you eating them because
cookies can be amazing and wonderful and glorious and good? Are you sitting at
the computer because it is what you want to do or because you can't really think
of anything worth the greater effort it may take to do something more? Sometimes
that is an absolutely fine response, sometimes reaching for an easy option is a
good way of spending time, but maybe it isn't always the better option.
Lists can help. I think I just wrote this. But lists of things to do can help. I
have lists on the fridge of things to do near us. Having a list of things to do
at home could be a good reference for you. Things that you like to do, things
you want to try, things you'd like to have to try.
Sometimes it's hard to see a way out, the only way out of a kind of inertia is a
single step forward at a time. Look for small changes you can make to your day,
look for different ways to embrace doing things with your kids, look for
different options for snacks, bake some things, make some things, go out for
cookies somewhere. Do something a little different, look at things a little
different. Small steps, small changes will build to big differences.
Schuyler
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From: jennifer huck <danajeh@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 14 January, 2011 0:01:17
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: responsibility to our kids
Yes I think I am someone who got fully involved in my family (by choice, and I
love it!) and kind of forgot about myself. The kids, the parenting, the
homemaking, the philosophy of respectful parenting, unschooling, etc were my
passions and have consumed my life for 12 years.
Those are still important to me, but now my kids are getting older and more
independent and I'm hitting mid-life (yikes!) and I don't know what to do with
myself. I do know that the best thing I can do for my kids at this stage is to
get a life for myself :-)
Wait! How did I get here from my original post?! I guess if I was feeling more
inspired and sparky I wouldn't be sitting around on the computer eating too many
cookies and feeling bad about the effect that has on my kids, huh?
Jen
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jennifer huck
Sometimes cookies are good. I've had some delicious cookies in my time :) But
sometimes I find myself compulsively going back for cookie after cookie. I can
eat a lot of cookies! And then I feel awful, physically. Sometimes I find
myself eating cookies that don't even taste good to me. Or, like last night, we
had a box of jelly beans and I was eating the flavors that nobody else would eat
and I didn't like them either. Passion Fruit: yuk! Also, I don't really drink
anymore because I used to do the same thing with beer. I seem to be missing an
"off" switch. If there's food in front of me I will eat it until it's gone.
I've tried various things and I'll keep working on it. Reading unschooling
lists is very good therapy! I've made a lot of progress in the last few years of
letting go of the emotional part of "mistakes". I don't feel shame for eating
those jelly beans, for example, I am just puzzled! I said to my kids, "these
passion fruit jelly beans taste like smelly armpits to me, why am I eating
them???" and we all laughed and decided to find all the flavors we didn't like
and throw them out.
I'm feeling encouraged: the fact that I posted something on a yahoogroup
indicates that I'm itching for a change. Perhaps my period of low energy and
motivation has run it's course. I think I will start some lists, as suggested,
of things to do and things other people are doing. I got a ukelele over the
holidays but haven't been playing much because my poor fingers hurt. Piano is
much kinder on dry skinned fingers :) We also are getting supplies for needle
felting, have been making finger puppets, making recipes and all the usual
driving the kids to their various activities. So there's a lot of good
happening, too. Maybe I also need to make a list of all the things we HAVE been
doing. When I was getting comfortable with unschooling, when my kids were
little, I would write down all the stuff we did. It was reassuring, because
it's so easy to notice all the things I'm not doing and forgetting what we have
done.
Thanks,
Jen
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From: Schuyler <s.waynforth@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 2:30:25 AM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: responsibility to our kids
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sometimes I find myself compulsively going back for cookie after cookie. I can
eat a lot of cookies! And then I feel awful, physically. Sometimes I find
myself eating cookies that don't even taste good to me. Or, like last night, we
had a box of jelly beans and I was eating the flavors that nobody else would eat
and I didn't like them either. Passion Fruit: yuk! Also, I don't really drink
anymore because I used to do the same thing with beer. I seem to be missing an
"off" switch. If there's food in front of me I will eat it until it's gone.
I've tried various things and I'll keep working on it. Reading unschooling
lists is very good therapy! I've made a lot of progress in the last few years of
letting go of the emotional part of "mistakes". I don't feel shame for eating
those jelly beans, for example, I am just puzzled! I said to my kids, "these
passion fruit jelly beans taste like smelly armpits to me, why am I eating
them???" and we all laughed and decided to find all the flavors we didn't like
and throw them out.
I'm feeling encouraged: the fact that I posted something on a yahoogroup
indicates that I'm itching for a change. Perhaps my period of low energy and
motivation has run it's course. I think I will start some lists, as suggested,
of things to do and things other people are doing. I got a ukelele over the
holidays but haven't been playing much because my poor fingers hurt. Piano is
much kinder on dry skinned fingers :) We also are getting supplies for needle
felting, have been making finger puppets, making recipes and all the usual
driving the kids to their various activities. So there's a lot of good
happening, too. Maybe I also need to make a list of all the things we HAVE been
doing. When I was getting comfortable with unschooling, when my kids were
little, I would write down all the stuff we did. It was reassuring, because
it's so easy to notice all the things I'm not doing and forgetting what we have
done.
Thanks,
Jen
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From: Schuyler <s.waynforth@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 2:30:25 AM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: responsibility to our kids
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