Pros and cons
cartoontv5
Hello...
Hi.(Kelly)I appreciate your views on this.I do think there are good
and bad sides with unschooling(and homeschooling) as with a lot of
things in life.I dont think you really want me to make lists,uhg.
I think it is great that everyone can be free to choose what they
feel is right for their family.
When I first started homeschooling several years ago I read a lot
on homeschooling and curriculums ect.,we tried many different
curriculums .(I remember when I first read about unschooling-I
thought it was a bunch of people who were just to lazy to teach their
kids-until I really read up on it.) and for a while we tried
unschooling.I am not a wealthy person and dont have lots of money to
go to museums-zoos-ect all the time and even the library is a problem
as my 2 year old thinks its a playground and my baby will not be put
down.And truthfully I was just scared of my children growing up
ignorant.
I just wonder what if my teenager never picks up a book and only
watches cartoons?My husband was constantly moving as a child and he
has a terrible time spelling,reading,or using a map, not to mention
managing money uhg!- ect..I dont want my kids to grow up saying why
didnt my parents teach me about this or that instead of waiting for
me to show an interest in it.
Ren-thank you also for your advice(I am saving all of it in a
folder to read as needed).But I am registered with an umbrella school
which wants work and progress presented at the end of the year.Are
you registered with the state or an umbrella school?How does it work
for you.What about speech problems or other problems?
Believe me I am not for school-I had terrible experience in school
and I will never , ever subject my children to that!I really do want
to understand where you all are coming from...
Thanks again,
Jeanne
Hi.(Kelly)I appreciate your views on this.I do think there are good
and bad sides with unschooling(and homeschooling) as with a lot of
things in life.I dont think you really want me to make lists,uhg.
I think it is great that everyone can be free to choose what they
feel is right for their family.
When I first started homeschooling several years ago I read a lot
on homeschooling and curriculums ect.,we tried many different
curriculums .(I remember when I first read about unschooling-I
thought it was a bunch of people who were just to lazy to teach their
kids-until I really read up on it.) and for a while we tried
unschooling.I am not a wealthy person and dont have lots of money to
go to museums-zoos-ect all the time and even the library is a problem
as my 2 year old thinks its a playground and my baby will not be put
down.And truthfully I was just scared of my children growing up
ignorant.
I just wonder what if my teenager never picks up a book and only
watches cartoons?My husband was constantly moving as a child and he
has a terrible time spelling,reading,or using a map, not to mention
managing money uhg!- ect..I dont want my kids to grow up saying why
didnt my parents teach me about this or that instead of waiting for
me to show an interest in it.
Ren-thank you also for your advice(I am saving all of it in a
folder to read as needed).But I am registered with an umbrella school
which wants work and progress presented at the end of the year.Are
you registered with the state or an umbrella school?How does it work
for you.What about speech problems or other problems?
Believe me I am not for school-I had terrible experience in school
and I will never , ever subject my children to that!I really do want
to understand where you all are coming from...
Thanks again,
Jeanne
TreeGoddess
On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:11 AM, cartoontv5 wrote:
[My husband was constantly moving as a child and he
has a terrible time spelling,reading,or using a map,
not to mention managing money uhg!]
Jeanne,
Nothing is stopping your DH from learning these things better if HE
feels that he wants to, right? Learning does not stop at the age of
18. If you don't learn ____ before then . . . well, you have your
whole life to learn it IF it is important to YOU to know it. There are
*tons* of things that I learned as an adult and may not have really
grasped it as a child or teen.
Also, knowing how to do _____ doesn't mean that everyone is going to be
an expert or that it will be effortless for them. Not everyone is
really skilled in ______ , but they know enough to use and that's good
enough for them. I hope I'm making sense. LOL
-Tracy-
"Every moment spent in unhappiness is a moment of
happiness lost." -- Leo Buscaglia
J. Stauffer
<<<There are
*tons* of things that I learned as an adult and may not have really
grasped it as a child or teen.>>>
This is so true. Math was an issue with me. I could easily work the problems but I didn't have a clue what I was doing or why. Not until my thirties did it start to make sense. In school, they wanted me to think about the numbers in a particular way....and I still have trouble doing it the "right" way. But I can easily maneuver numbers in my head the "Julie" way with no problem and get the same results.
Julie S.
*tons* of things that I learned as an adult and may not have really
grasped it as a child or teen.>>>
This is so true. Math was an issue with me. I could easily work the problems but I didn't have a clue what I was doing or why. Not until my thirties did it start to make sense. In school, they wanted me to think about the numbers in a particular way....and I still have trouble doing it the "right" way. But I can easily maneuver numbers in my head the "Julie" way with no problem and get the same results.
Julie S.
----- Original Message -----
From: TreeGoddess
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Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Pros and cons
On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:11 AM, cartoontv5 wrote:
[My husband was constantly moving as a child and he
has a terrible time spelling,reading,or using a map,
not to mention managing money uhg!]
Jeanne,
Nothing is stopping your DH from learning these things better if HE
feels that he wants to, right? Learning does not stop at the age of
18. If you don't learn ____ before then . . . well, you have your
whole life to learn it IF it is important to YOU to know it. There are
*tons* of things that I learned as an adult and may not have really
grasped it as a child or teen.
Also, knowing how to do _____ doesn't mean that everyone is going to be
an expert or that it will be effortless for them. Not everyone is
really skilled in ______ , but they know enough to use and that's good
enough for them. I hope I'm making sense. LOL
-Tracy-
"Every moment spent in unhappiness is a moment of
happiness lost." -- Leo Buscaglia
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In a message dated 12/31/2004 10:04:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
LJeanne28@... writes:
Hi.(Kelly)I appreciate your views on this.I do think there are good
and bad sides with unschooling(and homeschooling) as with a lot of
things in life.I dont think you really want me to make lists,uhg.<<<<
Actually, that's exactly what I want.
The only con I know of is dealing with in-laws/grands/family and the
occasional outspoken stranger.
I honestly can't think one other con of unschooling. There's nothing in a
school setting that can't be found in the real world, but there's plenty of the
real world not represented in school. I'm talking of POSITIVE things.
There are plenty of negatives with homeschooling, but NOT unschooling.
So, yes, I'm asking for a list.
When someone comes here stating that there are cons to unschooling, it leads
others to think that there *must* be. There aren't.
And as for kids who are unhappy with unschooling. I want names! <g> I want
books/articles. And ones that are actually UNSCHOOLING. I have no use for
people who are neglecting their kids in the guise of unschooling or who are
unschooling except for math or who unschool but limit TV/videogames/food/sleep.
Give me something that I can relate to. Kids who are unhappy in their
unschooling lives.
Got any?
~Kelly, who doesn't know ONE SINGLE person who wouldn't want my kids'
unschooling lives
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LJeanne28@... writes:
Hi.(Kelly)I appreciate your views on this.I do think there are good
and bad sides with unschooling(and homeschooling) as with a lot of
things in life.I dont think you really want me to make lists,uhg.<<<<
Actually, that's exactly what I want.
The only con I know of is dealing with in-laws/grands/family and the
occasional outspoken stranger.
I honestly can't think one other con of unschooling. There's nothing in a
school setting that can't be found in the real world, but there's plenty of the
real world not represented in school. I'm talking of POSITIVE things.
There are plenty of negatives with homeschooling, but NOT unschooling.
So, yes, I'm asking for a list.
When someone comes here stating that there are cons to unschooling, it leads
others to think that there *must* be. There aren't.
And as for kids who are unhappy with unschooling. I want names! <g> I want
books/articles. And ones that are actually UNSCHOOLING. I have no use for
people who are neglecting their kids in the guise of unschooling or who are
unschooling except for math or who unschool but limit TV/videogames/food/sleep.
Give me something that I can relate to. Kids who are unhappy in their
unschooling lives.
Got any?
~Kelly, who doesn't know ONE SINGLE person who wouldn't want my kids'
unschooling lives
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pam sorooshian
On Dec 30, 2004, at 9:11 PM, cartoontv5 wrote:
help your kids more than it did him?
-pam
> My husband was constantly moving as a child and heAssuming your husband was schooled, why do you think schooling would
> has a terrible time spelling,reading,or using a map, not to mention
> managing money uhg!- ect..I dont want my kids to grow up saying why
> didnt my parents teach me about this or that instead of waiting for
> me to show an interest in it.
help your kids more than it did him?
-pam
Dana Matt
> [My husband was constantly moving as a child andMy husband is horrible at spelling and using a map,
> he
> has a terrible time spelling,reading,or using a
> map,
> not to mention managing money uhg!]
and he went to the same school for 13 years (k-12).
My daughter is awesome at reading, spelling and using
a map, and she's 6 and has never been to any
school...Moving from school to school doesn't make you
bad at those things any more than staying in one
school makes you good at them.
Dana
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pam sorooshian
On Dec 31, 2004, at 7:17 PM, Dana Matt wrote:
UC Berkeley at 16 years old. She was a natural speller, voracious
reader, and world traveler with framed maps all over the walls of her
house. School didn't ruin her - and neither did moving constantly.
School was sometimes good and sometimes bad - but most of the time it
was at least not home - which wasn't good because they were very poor
and her father was very harsh and her parents both had tuberculosis and
died when she was a young teen, after which she was moved around to
different relatives and eventually to a boarding school.
-pam
>My mom went to 23 different schools. She skipped two grades and went to
>> [My husband was constantly moving as a child and
>> he
>> has a terrible time spelling,reading,or using a
>> map,
>> not to mention managing money uhg!]
>
> My husband is horrible at spelling and using a map,
> and he went to the same school for 13 years (k-12).
UC Berkeley at 16 years old. She was a natural speller, voracious
reader, and world traveler with framed maps all over the walls of her
house. School didn't ruin her - and neither did moving constantly.
School was sometimes good and sometimes bad - but most of the time it
was at least not home - which wasn't good because they were very poor
and her father was very harsh and her parents both had tuberculosis and
died when she was a young teen, after which she was moved around to
different relatives and eventually to a boarding school.
-pam
Lisa H
<<I do think there are good and bad sides with unschooling(and homeschooling) as with a lot of things in life.I don't think you really want me to make lists,uhg.>>
I too would like to see your thoughts on pros and cons of unschooling. I find it helpful to hear what other peoples concerns are so that i can evaluate my own understandings. By hearing alternative points of views it can either strengthens my convictions or opens my mind to new ideas - or a bit of both. Either way, it may be useful to hear. Please, Jeanne, give us your list.
You also mentioned 'reading about children who were unhappy about it and some who love it.' Where did you read about these instances?
I know some truly committed unschooling families in which one or more of their children have chosen school after having been truly unschooled their entire lives...but this does not negate the families unschooling approach to life and learning. In fact, it is recognizing the individual child's desires and supporting them in their choices that continues to make these families active voices in our local unschooling community.
Lisa Heyman
New York
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I too would like to see your thoughts on pros and cons of unschooling. I find it helpful to hear what other peoples concerns are so that i can evaluate my own understandings. By hearing alternative points of views it can either strengthens my convictions or opens my mind to new ideas - or a bit of both. Either way, it may be useful to hear. Please, Jeanne, give us your list.
You also mentioned 'reading about children who were unhappy about it and some who love it.' Where did you read about these instances?
I know some truly committed unschooling families in which one or more of their children have chosen school after having been truly unschooled their entire lives...but this does not negate the families unschooling approach to life and learning. In fact, it is recognizing the individual child's desires and supporting them in their choices that continues to make these families active voices in our local unschooling community.
Lisa Heyman
New York
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