reading?
crystal rid
Can anyone tell me how a child learns to read when they re unschooled? My 7 year old cries because she can t read yet strongly resists any type of phonics. She knows a few site words because that was all I could interest her in.
JJ
She has learned a few site words? Do you mean words on websites she often visits and is familiar with? Or do you mean whole words she knows by sight, without phonics?
--- In [email protected], crystal rid <cryway2@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me how a child learns to read when they re unschooled? My 7 year old cries because she can t read yet strongly resists any type of phonics. She knows a few site words because that was all I could interest her in.
>
Joyce Fetteroll
On May 19, 2010, at 12:33 PM, crystal rid wrote:
ready for it.
Why is she crying? Why does she want to read? Is there something more
than a personal desire? Are there messages she's picking up somewhere
that she's deficient because she can't read? Does she need to read
certain things and there isn't someone who will do it for her?
One of the biggest fallacies that schools perpetuate is that reading
can be taught. Undoubtedly many teachers believe it too. But what
happens is that kids are figuring it out at the same time schools are
instructing so it seems like teachers are the key part in the process.
*BUT* unschooled kids learn to read in the same age range as schooled
kids, so that blows that theory out of the water ;-)
Just as you can't teach a kid to walk, you can't teach a kid to read.
It *seems* like reading should be a simple matching process between
verbal language and written language, but it's more complex and
organic than that. Occasionally a kid will find the process of 100
Easy Lessons goes along with the way they're assembling their
understanding, BUT very often it's just frustrating. And by
perpetuating the myth that reading can be taught, the child can feel
like there's something wrong with them.
Here are two links that will probably not only answer the questions
you have about reading but answer some questions you hadn't thought to
ask ;-)
http://sandradodd.com/reading
http://joyfullyrejoycing.com
(scroll down the left side to the section on reading)
Joyce
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> Can anyone tell me how a child learns to read when they reThe same way they learn how to walk: by being ready developmentally
> unschooled? My 7 year old cries because she can t read yet strongly
> resists any type of phonics. She knows a few site words because that
> was all I could interest her in.
ready for it.
Why is she crying? Why does she want to read? Is there something more
than a personal desire? Are there messages she's picking up somewhere
that she's deficient because she can't read? Does she need to read
certain things and there isn't someone who will do it for her?
One of the biggest fallacies that schools perpetuate is that reading
can be taught. Undoubtedly many teachers believe it too. But what
happens is that kids are figuring it out at the same time schools are
instructing so it seems like teachers are the key part in the process.
*BUT* unschooled kids learn to read in the same age range as schooled
kids, so that blows that theory out of the water ;-)
Just as you can't teach a kid to walk, you can't teach a kid to read.
It *seems* like reading should be a simple matching process between
verbal language and written language, but it's more complex and
organic than that. Occasionally a kid will find the process of 100
Easy Lessons goes along with the way they're assembling their
understanding, BUT very often it's just frustrating. And by
perpetuating the myth that reading can be taught, the child can feel
like there's something wrong with them.
Here are two links that will probably not only answer the questions
you have about reading but answer some questions you hadn't thought to
ask ;-)
http://sandradodd.com/reading
http://joyfullyrejoycing.com
(scroll down the left side to the section on reading)
Joyce
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crystal rid
Best I can figure the only reason she cries to read is because my oldest can read chapter books and she can t. She reads picture books all the time but chapter books are like a whole other world to her. A world she very much wants to visit but the ticket is knowing how to read and she can t. I have started reading chapter books to her and she isn t crying to read as much anymore. I read a couple of those articles. Thank you! I m on my way to read some more.
On Wed May 19th, 2010 12:32 PM CDT Joyce Fetteroll wrote:
>
>On May 19, 2010, at 12:33 PM, crystal rid wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me how a child learns to read when they re
>> unschooled? My 7 year old cries because she can t read yet strongly
>> resists any type of phonics. She knows a few site words because that
>> was all I could interest her in.
>
>The same way they learn how to walk: by being ready developmentally
>ready for it.
>
>Why is she crying? Why does she want to read? Is there something more
>than a personal desire? Are there messages she's picking up somewhere
>that she's deficient because she can't read? Does she need to read
>certain things and there isn't someone who will do it for her?
>
>One of the biggest fallacies that schools perpetuate is that reading
>can be taught. Undoubtedly many teachers believe it too. But what
>happens is that kids are figuring it out at the same time schools are
>instructing so it seems like teachers are the key part in the process.
>*BUT* unschooled kids learn to read in the same age range as schooled
>kids, so that blows that theory out of the water ;-)
>
>Just as you can't teach a kid to walk, you can't teach a kid to read.
>It *seems* like reading should be a simple matching process between
>verbal language and written language, but it's more complex and
>organic than that. Occasionally a kid will find the process of 100
>Easy Lessons goes along with the way they're assembling their
>understanding, BUT very often it's just frustrating. And by
>perpetuating the myth that reading can be taught, the child can feel
>like there's something wrong with them.
>
>Here are two links that will probably not only answer the questions
>you have about reading but answer some questions you hadn't thought to
>ask ;-)
>
>http://sandradodd.com/reading
>http://joyfullyrejoycing.com
>(scroll down the left side to the section on reading)
>
>Joyce
>
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>
crystal rid
Words she knows on site. Some I taught her one night when she was begging to learn to read. Cat, mat, hat... some words she s learned to recognize from life. Braums = her favorite ice cream parlor, Burger king, Walmart.
On Wed May 19th, 2010 12:06 PM CDT JJ wrote:
>She has learned a few site words? Do you mean words on websites she often visits and is familiar with? Or do you mean whole words she knows by sight, without phonics?
>
>
>--- In [email protected], crystal rid <cryway2@...> wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone tell me how a child learns to read when they re unschooled? My 7 year old cries because she can t read yet strongly resists any type of phonics. She knows a few site words because that was all I could interest her in.
>>
>
>
JJ
Ah -- so you might play around with the possibility she is more graphic-oriented and that's why the trademarked business symbol-words are working for her. Maybe try introducing her to languages more like pictures than strictly letters, strew Chinese characters, Egyptian hieroglyphics, ancient runes, cave writing? There are words that literally make pictures too, that you could do with her? She could have a lot of fun with "reading" that way instead of crying, and build competence and confidence at the same time . . .
Some rebuses I found from the Hoagie site:
http://www.vella-zarb.com/thomas/rebuses.html
Some rebuses I found from the Hoagie site:
http://www.vella-zarb.com/thomas/rebuses.html
--- In [email protected], crystal rid <cryway2@...> wrote:
>
> Words she knows on site. Some I taught her one night when she was begging to learn to read. Cat, mat, hat... some words she s learned to recognize from life. Braums = her favorite ice cream parlor, Burger king, Walmart.
>
> On Wed May 19th, 2010 12:06 PM CDT JJ wrote:
>
> >She has learned a few site words? Do you mean words on websites she often visits and is familiar with? Or do you mean whole words she knows by sight, without phonics?
> >
> >
> >--- In [email protected], crystal rid <cryway2@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Can anyone tell me how a child learns to read when they re unschooled? My 7 year old cries because she can t read yet strongly resists any type of phonics. She knows a few site words because that was all I could interest her in.
> >>
> >
> >
>
plaidpanties666
--- In [email protected], crystal rid <cryway2@...> wrote:
Sounds like you've found a good soluion! Let her know that she'll read when she is ready to read and in the mean time, you are happy to read anything she wants. Reassure her, perhaps, by talking about ways she's different from her sister - what other things have they learned differently? Did they walk and talk at the same ages and in the same ways? Let her know that its perfectly normal for some people to learn to read sooner and other people to learn other things sooner - everyone is different.
JJ's comment about sight-reading and symbols is a good point - this next is along the lines of "different people learn differently". Sometimes people start out reading whole "chunks" of meaning, so logos will really "click" at first, but also things like names, street signs and even sentences. A friend of mine's dd could read short sentences before she could read all the words in them. It sounds backwards, right? but a word like "get" or "bring" doesn't mean anything on its own. "Get the cereal and bring it to the table" has a Lot of meaning.
Phonics are a headache for a lot of people. Kids like my friend's dd and my stepson find them baffling *until* they already know how to read. Again, that sounds backwards, but once they can read, the phonics rules suddenly make sense to them and they can use that information to figure out new words.
(And other people, like my dd, take to phonics like ducks to water.)
---Meredith (Mo 8, Ray 16)
>I have started reading chapter books to her and she isn t crying to read as much anymore.***************
Sounds like you've found a good soluion! Let her know that she'll read when she is ready to read and in the mean time, you are happy to read anything she wants. Reassure her, perhaps, by talking about ways she's different from her sister - what other things have they learned differently? Did they walk and talk at the same ages and in the same ways? Let her know that its perfectly normal for some people to learn to read sooner and other people to learn other things sooner - everyone is different.
JJ's comment about sight-reading and symbols is a good point - this next is along the lines of "different people learn differently". Sometimes people start out reading whole "chunks" of meaning, so logos will really "click" at first, but also things like names, street signs and even sentences. A friend of mine's dd could read short sentences before she could read all the words in them. It sounds backwards, right? but a word like "get" or "bring" doesn't mean anything on its own. "Get the cereal and bring it to the table" has a Lot of meaning.
Phonics are a headache for a lot of people. Kids like my friend's dd and my stepson find them baffling *until* they already know how to read. Again, that sounds backwards, but once they can read, the phonics rules suddenly make sense to them and they can use that information to figure out new words.
(And other people, like my dd, take to phonics like ducks to water.)
---Meredith (Mo 8, Ray 16)
plaidpanties666
Crystal, there's also a thread on this subject going on over on the Always Unschooled list - which may be part of why there's not much response here, yet, lots of people are on both. There are more "stories" being told over there, though, if you want to check it out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysUnschooled/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysUnschooled/
crystal rid
Thank you I will consider joining. Do I qualify though?
On Wed May 19th, 2010 5:15 PM CDT plaidpanties666 wrote:
>Crystal, there's also a thread on this subject going on over on the Always Unschooled list - which may be part of why there's not much response here, yet, lots of people are on both. There are more "stories" being told over there, though, if you want to check it out:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysUnschooled/
>
crystal rid
I will try that. Thank you. At this point I really dont know what to do. It seems no matter which way I go it will be wrong for her.
On Wed May 19th, 2010 2:02 PM CDT JJ wrote:
>Ah -- so you might play around with the possibility she is more graphic-oriented and that's why the trademarked business symbol-words are working for her. Maybe try introducing her to languages more like pictures than strictly letters, strew Chinese characters, Egyptian hieroglyphics, ancient runes, cave writing? There are words that literally make pictures too, that you could do with her? She could have a lot of fun with "reading" that way instead of crying, and build competence and confidence at the same time . . .
>
>Some rebuses I found from the Hoagie site:
>http://www.vella-zarb.com/thomas/rebuses.html
>
>
>--- In [email protected], crystal rid <cryway2@...> wrote:
>>
>> Words she knows on site. Some I taught her one night when she was begging to learn to read. Cat, mat, hat... some words she s learned to recognize from life. Braums = her favorite ice cream parlor, Burger king, Walmart.
>>
>> On Wed May 19th, 2010 12:06 PM CDT JJ wrote:
>>
>> >She has learned a few site words? Do you mean words on websites she often visits and is familiar with? Or do you mean whole words she knows by sight, without phonics?
>> >
>> >
>> >--- In [email protected], crystal rid <cryway2@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Can anyone tell me how a child learns to read when they re unschooled? My 7 year old cries because she can t read yet strongly resists any type of phonics. She knows a few site words because that was all I could interest her in.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Faith Void Taintor
Audio book and the paper copy of the book together are a great
combination for someone wants to read but isn't quite there yet.
Faith
Sent from my iPhone
combination for someone wants to read but isn't quite there yet.
Faith
Sent from my iPhone
On May 19, 2010, at 2:17 PM, crystal rid <cryway2@...> wrote:
> Best I can figure the only reason she cries to read is because my
> oldest can read chapter books and she can t. She reads picture books
> all the time but chapter books are like a whole other world to her.
> A world she very much wants to visit but the ticket is knowing how
> to read and she can t. I have started reading chapter books to her
> and she isn t crying to read as much anymore. I read a couple of
> those articles. Thank you! I m on my way to read some more.
>
> On Wed May 19th, 2010 12:32 PM CDT Joyce Fetteroll wrote:
>
> >
> >On May 19, 2010, at 12:33 PM, crystal rid wrote:
> >
> >> Can anyone tell me how a child learns to read when they re
> >> unschooled? My 7 year old cries because she can t read yet strongly
> >> resists any type of phonics. She knows a few site words because
> that
> >> was all I could interest her in.
> >
> >The same way they learn how to walk: by being ready developmentally
> >ready for it.
> >
> >Why is she crying? Why does she want to read? Is there something more
> >than a personal desire? Are there messages she's picking up somewhere
> >that she's deficient because she can't read? Does she need to read
> >certain things and there isn't someone who will do it for her?
> >
> >One of the biggest fallacies that schools perpetuate is that reading
> >can be taught. Undoubtedly many teachers believe it too. But what
> >happens is that kids are figuring it out at the same time schools are
> >instructing so it seems like teachers are the key part in the
> process.
> >*BUT* unschooled kids learn to read in the same age range as schooled
> >kids, so that blows that theory out of the water ;-)
> >
> >Just as you can't teach a kid to walk, you can't teach a kid to read.
> >It *seems* like reading should be a simple matching process between
> >verbal language and written language, but it's more complex and
> >organic than that. Occasionally a kid will find the process of 100
> >Easy Lessons goes along with the way they're assembling their
> >understanding, BUT very often it's just frustrating. And by
> >perpetuating the myth that reading can be taught, the child can feel
> >like there's something wrong with them.
> >
> >Here are two links that will probably not only answer the questions
> >you have about reading but answer some questions you hadn't thought
> to
> >ask ;-)
> >
> >http://sandradodd.com/reading
> >http://joyfullyrejoycing.com
> >(scroll down the left side to the section on reading)
> >
> >Joyce
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
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ckent9511
My daughter feels the same. I try to write her little notes. It has become a game and she feels proud. Like: The cat is fat!!! She thinks it is funny that I wrote that her cat is fat. Then she remembers the words. The next day I may write: The cat is on my hat!!! Fat cat.
Also, the Dick and Jane books have made her feel proud of her skills. They start with one word, then build on that word. Like: Jane. Run Jane. Run Jane, run. See Jane run. Once they learn one word, it repeats and it helps build pride!!!
re unschooled? My 7 year old cries because she can t read yet strongly resists any type of phonics. She knows a few site words because that was all I could interest her in.
Also, the Dick and Jane books have made her feel proud of her skills. They start with one word, then build on that word. Like: Jane. Run Jane. Run Jane, run. See Jane run. Once they learn one word, it repeats and it helps build pride!!!
re unschooled? My 7 year old cries because she can t read yet strongly resists any type of phonics. She knows a few site words because that was all I could interest her in.
> >>
> >
> >
>
Joyce Fetteroll
On May 20, 2010, at 9:31 AM, ckent9511 wrote:
and is exploring and is ready for.
For another child, especially one who will absorb whole words, an
approach that's based on building understanding from pieces of words
will just be frustrating.
If Dick and Jane were the key, every child it was used on would read.
But for those who weren't ready, for those whose brains work
differently, it was just a waste of time, confusing and for many
demoralizing if they got the idea they couldn't read because they
weren't trying hard enough.
Joyce
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> It has become a game and she feels proud. Like: The cat is fat!!!Your daughter enjoys it because it's riffing off the skills she has
> She thinks it is funny that I wrote that her cat is fat. Then she
> remembers the words. The next day I may write: The cat is on my
> hat!!! Fat cat.
and is exploring and is ready for.
For another child, especially one who will absorb whole words, an
approach that's based on building understanding from pieces of words
will just be frustrating.
If Dick and Jane were the key, every child it was used on would read.
But for those who weren't ready, for those whose brains work
differently, it was just a waste of time, confusing and for many
demoralizing if they got the idea they couldn't read because they
weren't trying hard enough.
Joyce
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Maisha Khalfani
<<Best I can figure the only reason she cries to read is because my oldest
can read chapter books and she can t.>>
Is it possible for you to pick your child's favorite book(s), and read them
with her over and over. Once she has it memorized she can 'read' it for
herself. That might help her feel like she's reading just like her big
sister.
Maisha Khalfani
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can read chapter books and she can t.>>
Is it possible for you to pick your child's favorite book(s), and read them
with her over and over. Once she has it memorized she can 'read' it for
herself. That might help her feel like she's reading just like her big
sister.
Maisha Khalfani
<http://earthspirittarot.blogspot.com/> EarthSpirit Tarot Readings
Come and gain clarity and insight
<http://earthspiritbooksandgifts.blogspot.com/> EarthSpirit Books and Gifts
A bookstore for the Open Minded
<http://7freespirits.blogspot.com/> 7 Free Spirits
Follow our adventures through life
,___
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