age segregation WAS Video games revisited
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**It also makes me happy that my son's Guild in WoW has no issues with the
younger players. I hadn't realized kids were playing as young as 6 though.
The youngest I've personally come across was 8. Once again, proof that only
in schools are people segregated by age.**
Oh! Oh! My youngest son (Patrick - 17 in a few days) told me about a
conversation (via text message) with his schooled girlfriend last night. (He takes
dance classes in the city most evenings, riding the train an hour and 15
minutes each way. Because of the train noise he usually texts with people
while riding instead of talking to them via his cell.)
They were in a discussion about how and why people learn, what they need to
learn, whether schools help or hinder. His girlfriend asserted that English
classes were important "Just imagine how much worse language would be if we
didn't learn how to use it?" In the course of explaining how he has learned
to speak and write, and building his case that learning how to use language
can be impeded by schools, Patrick wrote "That's the big thing school
does! Tells you that because you are this age you hang with this age people
thats your group, homeschooled kids often have wider groups for that reason.
Because if someone is fun or interesting it doesn't matter the age."
Here's the good part. :) His girlfriend replied "Yeah. I suppose. But
school Really isn't all that bad. I mean alot of it is interesting. And we do
manage to branch out. Especially within the theater community. I mean obviously
we're not hermits! I know you somehow right?"
A schooled kid defending her socialization opportunities to a homeschooled
kid. How things change. :)
Deborah in IL
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younger players. I hadn't realized kids were playing as young as 6 though.
The youngest I've personally come across was 8. Once again, proof that only
in schools are people segregated by age.**
Oh! Oh! My youngest son (Patrick - 17 in a few days) told me about a
conversation (via text message) with his schooled girlfriend last night. (He takes
dance classes in the city most evenings, riding the train an hour and 15
minutes each way. Because of the train noise he usually texts with people
while riding instead of talking to them via his cell.)
They were in a discussion about how and why people learn, what they need to
learn, whether schools help or hinder. His girlfriend asserted that English
classes were important "Just imagine how much worse language would be if we
didn't learn how to use it?" In the course of explaining how he has learned
to speak and write, and building his case that learning how to use language
can be impeded by schools, Patrick wrote "That's the big thing school
does! Tells you that because you are this age you hang with this age people
thats your group, homeschooled kids often have wider groups for that reason.
Because if someone is fun or interesting it doesn't matter the age."
Here's the good part. :) His girlfriend replied "Yeah. I suppose. But
school Really isn't all that bad. I mean alot of it is interesting. And we do
manage to branch out. Especially within the theater community. I mean obviously
we're not hermits! I know you somehow right?"
A schooled kid defending her socialization opportunities to a homeschooled
kid. How things change. :)
Deborah in IL
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Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist
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laura white
This is my first time posting here, but I've been lurking for a few weeks
now. I have teens (mostly schooled because my ex was extremely anti HS,
though i've made a my best effort over the years to counterbalance the
indoctrination) and two year old twins (already magically and successfully
unschooling). I can tell more about me later, when its pertinent, but right
now I have a question about this Age Segregation business.
I'm on the board of a brand new non-profit with a mission of building
intergenearational connections. From my personal POV, I think its really,
really sad that we have to manufacture opportunities for the different
generations to connect. We're developing programs now in an attempt to do
just that. But, what I really, really want is to make those interactions
easy and natural, rather than forced and contrived. Our programs will be
for the whole community, and mostly for schooled children/teens to get
together with people 40+ who are not authority figures in their lives. The
hope is that everyone will learn and grow from these experiences. You all
have been watching your children develop these kinds of connections
naturally...the way I hope we can with our programs. So, I was wondering if
you would have any advice or ideas for programs that would encourage the
truly age segregated folks out there to blur those lines in their lives.
Thanks so much!
Laura in Alaska
now. I have teens (mostly schooled because my ex was extremely anti HS,
though i've made a my best effort over the years to counterbalance the
indoctrination) and two year old twins (already magically and successfully
unschooling). I can tell more about me later, when its pertinent, but right
now I have a question about this Age Segregation business.
I'm on the board of a brand new non-profit with a mission of building
intergenearational connections. From my personal POV, I think its really,
really sad that we have to manufacture opportunities for the different
generations to connect. We're developing programs now in an attempt to do
just that. But, what I really, really want is to make those interactions
easy and natural, rather than forced and contrived. Our programs will be
for the whole community, and mostly for schooled children/teens to get
together with people 40+ who are not authority figures in their lives. The
hope is that everyone will learn and grow from these experiences. You all
have been watching your children develop these kinds of connections
naturally...the way I hope we can with our programs. So, I was wondering if
you would have any advice or ideas for programs that would encourage the
truly age segregated folks out there to blur those lines in their lives.
Thanks so much!
Laura in Alaska
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:17 AM, <DACunefare@...> wrote:
>
>
> **It also makes me happy that my son's Guild in WoW has no issues with the
> younger players. I hadn't realized kids were playing as young as 6 though.
>
> The youngest I've personally come across was 8. Once again, proof that
> only
> in schools are people segregated by age.**
>
> Oh! Oh! My youngest son (Patrick - 17 in a few days) told me about a
> conversation (via text message) with his schooled girlfriend last night.
> (He takes
> dance classes in the city most evenings, riding the train an hour and 15
> minutes each way. Because of the train noise he usually texts with people
> while riding instead of talking to them via his cell.)
>
> They were in a discussion about how and why people learn, what they need to
>
> learn, whether schools help or hinder. His girlfriend asserted that English
>
> classes were important "Just imagine how much worse language would be if we
>
> didn't learn how to use it?" In the course of explaining how he has learned
>
> to speak and write, and building his case that learning how to use language
>
> can be impeded by schools, Patrick wrote "That's the big thing school
> does! Tells you that because you are this age you hang with this age people
>
> thats your group, homeschooled kids often have wider groups for that
> reason.
> Because if someone is fun or interesting it doesn't matter the age."
>
> Here's the good part. :) His girlfriend replied "Yeah. I suppose. But
> school Really isn't all that bad. I mean alot of it is interesting. And we
> do
> manage to branch out. Especially within the theater community. I mean
> obviously
> we're not hermits! I know you somehow right?"
>
> A schooled kid defending her socialization opportunities to a homeschooled
> kid. How things change. :)
>
> Deborah in IL
>
> **************
> Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist
> near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&<http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&>
> ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)
>
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>
>
>
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Vickisue Gray
Thanks for sharing! That's priceless.
This line caught me: His girlfriend asserted that English classes were important "Just imagine how much worse language would be if we didn't learn how to use it?"
It's cute considering that she was texting and receiving texts from an unschooler. (Presumably Patrick didn't learn English in school?) It made me smile.
Vicki
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This line caught me: His girlfriend asserted that English classes were important "Just imagine how much worse language would be if we didn't learn how to use it?"
It's cute considering that she was texting and receiving texts from an unschooler. (Presumably Patrick didn't learn English in school?) It made me smile.
Vicki
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Deborah
--- In [email protected], Vickisue Gray
But I was so tickled by the fact that his girlfriend didn't just feel she could dismiss his claim of superior socialization out of by hand, that it was clear to her he had a valid point and she felt called to defend schooling as "not that bad" and "we do manage to branch out" :)
Deborah in IL
> This line caught me: His girlfriend asserted that English classes were important "Just imagine how much worse language would be if we didn't learn how to use it?"Patrick was born 3 years after we started unschooling, he's a lifelong life learner. :) His reply was "Well you tell me. Do I seem like an idiot? Do I have good language?" LOL! She didn't correct his grammar, which for text speak wasn't really any worse than what his schooled friends use. Pat's whole explanation about how and why he's learned what he's learned is wonderful, and I may post it later.
>
> It's cute considering that she was texting and receiving texts from an unschooler. (Presumably Patrick didn't learn English in school?) It made me smile.
>
But I was so tickled by the fact that his girlfriend didn't just feel she could dismiss his claim of superior socialization out of by hand, that it was clear to her he had a valid point and she felt called to defend schooling as "not that bad" and "we do manage to branch out" :)
Deborah in IL
susan burgess
Hi Laura,
I'm mostly a lurker on here, but wanted to say welcome and I'm in Alaska too. Don't find many unschoolers up here, so I couldn't let it pass by! I have an almost 15 yr old girl and 11 yr old girl, I'm in Wasilla, whereabouts are you?
Feel free to email me offlist :-)
Susan
I'm mostly a lurker on here, but wanted to say welcome and I'm in Alaska too. Don't find many unschoolers up here, so I couldn't let it pass by! I have an almost 15 yr old girl and 11 yr old girl, I'm in Wasilla, whereabouts are you?
Feel free to email me offlist :-)
Susan
--- In [email protected], laura white <laurawhiteritchie@...> wrote:
>
> This is my first time posting here, but I've been lurking for a few weeks
> now. I have teens (mostly schooled because my ex was extremely anti HS,
> though i've made a my best effort over the years to counterbalance the
> indoctrination) and two year old twins (already magically and successfully
> unschooling). I can tell more about me later, when its pertinent, but right
> now I have a question about this Age Segregation business.
>
> I'm on the board of a brand new non-profit with a mission of building
> intergenearational connections. From my personal POV, I think its really,
> really sad that we have to manufacture opportunities for the different
> generations to connect. We're developing programs now in an attempt to do
> just that. But, what I really, really want is to make those interactions
> easy and natural, rather than forced and contrived. Our programs will be
> for the whole community, and mostly for schooled children/teens to get
> together with people 40+ who are not authority figures in their lives. The
> hope is that everyone will learn and grow from these experiences. You all
> have been watching your children develop these kinds of connections
> naturally...the way I hope we can with our programs. So, I was wondering if
> you would have any advice or ideas for programs that would encourage the
> truly age segregated folks out there to blur those lines in their lives.
>
> Thanks so much!
> Laura in Alaska
>
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:17 AM, <DACunefare@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > **It also makes me happy that my son's Guild in WoW has no issues with the
> > younger players. I hadn't realized kids were playing as young as 6 though.
> >
> > The youngest I've personally come across was 8. Once again, proof that
> > only
> > in schools are people segregated by age.**
> >
> > Oh! Oh! My youngest son (Patrick - 17 in a few days) told me about a
> > conversation (via text message) with his schooled girlfriend last night.
> > (He takes
> > dance classes in the city most evenings, riding the train an hour and 15
> > minutes each way. Because of the train noise he usually texts with people
> > while riding instead of talking to them via his cell.)
> >
> > They were in a discussion about how and why people learn, what they need to
> >
> > learn, whether schools help or hinder. His girlfriend asserted that English
> >
> > classes were important "Just imagine how much worse language would be if we
> >
> > didn't learn how to use it?" In the course of explaining how he has learned
> >
> > to speak and write, and building his case that learning how to use language
> >
> > can be impeded by schools, Patrick wrote "That's the big thing school
> > does! Tells you that because you are this age you hang with this age people
> >
> > thats your group, homeschooled kids often have wider groups for that
> > reason.
> > Because if someone is fun or interesting it doesn't matter the age."
> >
> > Here's the good part. :) His girlfriend replied "Yeah. I suppose. But
> > school Really isn't all that bad. I mean alot of it is interesting. And we
> > do
> > manage to branch out. Especially within the theater community. I mean
> > obviously
> > we're not hermits! I know you somehow right?"
> >
> > A schooled kid defending her socialization opportunities to a homeschooled
> > kid. How things change. :)
> >
> > Deborah in IL
> >
> > **************
> > Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist
> > near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&<http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&>
> > ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
Debra Rossing
> So, I was wondering if you would have any advice or ideas for programsthat would encourage the truly age segregated folks out there to blur
those lines in their lives.
My two cents is to build the "programs" around common interests -
chess/checkers; knitting/crocheting; sports of some kind; books; drama;
dance/music; and so on - even something like Wii bowling is a great
intergenerational attraction (as evidenced by three generations playing
at my sister's house over the holidays). At first, yeah, the kids might
hang with the kids and the adults with the adults BUT when adult A sees
kid B really taking off in a chess game or when kid C sees adult D
whooping up on someone in Wii bowling, things will start to happen.
Deb R
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--- In [email protected], "susan burgess" <susands@...> wrote:
Ren
radicalunschooling.blogspot.com
>Have you met my sis Heidi yet? She's in Wasilla too, with three unschoolers all in the teen or almost teen years.:)
> Hi Laura,
> I'm mostly a lurker on here, but wanted to say welcome and I'm in Alaska too. Don't find many unschoolers up here, so I couldn't let it pass by! I have an almost 15 yr old girl and 11 yr old girl, I'm in Wasilla, whereabouts are you?
> Feel free to email me offlist :-)
> Susan
>
>
Ren
radicalunschooling.blogspot.com
Vickisue Gray
Oh! Please do post Patrick's explaination! I would love to read it! I love hearing stories of how unschooling kids grow up. It helps so much for my son (11) to hear them, too.
Your son sounds like a wonderful young man!
:-)
Vicki
________________________________
From: Deborah <DACunefare@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 2:05:45 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: age segregation WAS Video games revisited
--- In unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Vickisue Gray
But I was so tickled by the fact that his girlfriend didn't just feel she could dismiss his claim of superior socialization out of by hand, that it was clear to her he had a valid point and she felt called to defend schooling as "not that bad" and "we do manage to branch out" :)
Deborah in IL
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Your son sounds like a wonderful young man!
:-)
Vicki
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From: Deborah <DACunefare@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 2:05:45 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: age segregation WAS Video games revisited
--- In unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Vickisue Gray
> This line caught me: His girlfriend asserted that English classes were important "Just imagine how much worse language would be if we didn't learn how to use it?"Patrick was born 3 years after we started unschooling, he's a lifelong life learner. :) His reply was "Well you tell me. Do I seem like an idiot? Do I have good language?" LOL! She didn't correct his grammar, which for text speak wasn't really any worse than what his schooled friends use. Pat's whole explanation about how and why he's learned what he's learned is wonderful, and I may post it later.
>
> It's cute considering that she was texting and receiving texts from an unschooler. (Presumably Patrick didn't learn English in school?) It made me smile.
>
But I was so tickled by the fact that his girlfriend didn't just feel she could dismiss his claim of superior socialization out of by hand, that it was clear to her he had a valid point and she felt called to defend schooling as "not that bad" and "we do manage to branch out" :)
Deborah in IL
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susan burgess
No, but I would love to! Feel free to give her my email address; susands@...
thanks!
Susan
thanks!
Susan
> > Hi Laura,
> > I'm mostly a lurker on here, but wanted to say welcome and I'm in Alaska too. Don't find many unschoolers up here, so I couldn't let it pass by! I have an almost 15 yr old girl and 11 yr old girl, I'm in Wasilla, whereabouts are you?
> > Feel free to email me offlist :-)
> > Susan
> >
> >
> Have you met my sis Heidi yet? She's in Wasilla too, with three unschoolers all in the teen or almost teen years.:)
>
> Ren
> radicalunschooling.blogspot.com
>
juillet727
"...His girlfriend asserted that English classes were important "Just imagine how much worse language would be if we didn't learn how to use it?" ..."
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You know what's fascinating to me about this? The statement sounds so detached--like we don't learn any language skills until we learn it from school or something. Or as if language is this big separate thing, apart from we who use it, static and unchanging, and we have to learn to use it or something. And language changes all the time; we don't speak english from the middle ages anymore. And spelling only got standardized, what, 150 yrs ago or something. And today's language is changing because of texting and computer usage--breaking up paragraphs so they are more easily read, getting creative with grammar. The written word is getting more conversational.
Can you imagine thinking that toddlers had to "learn to use language"? What a mess that would be.
It's one of the things that nobody learns from a book or an expert, we learn from our family or from others and we learn by doing. And if we're talking about unschooling--learning from living life--language should be the most obvious example of natural learning. Just thought it was so interesting.
~Juillet
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You know what's fascinating to me about this? The statement sounds so detached--like we don't learn any language skills until we learn it from school or something. Or as if language is this big separate thing, apart from we who use it, static and unchanging, and we have to learn to use it or something. And language changes all the time; we don't speak english from the middle ages anymore. And spelling only got standardized, what, 150 yrs ago or something. And today's language is changing because of texting and computer usage--breaking up paragraphs so they are more easily read, getting creative with grammar. The written word is getting more conversational.
Can you imagine thinking that toddlers had to "learn to use language"? What a mess that would be.
It's one of the things that nobody learns from a book or an expert, we learn from our family or from others and we learn by doing. And if we're talking about unschooling--learning from living life--language should be the most obvious example of natural learning. Just thought it was so interesting.
~Juillet
Ulrike Haupt
And about language amd how to be abe to utilize it in speach, or reading or written format. These are so divergent araas. And what ift you start out on three 'mother tongues' at the same time like my grandchildren? They 'speak' in German with me, in English with their parents and in Afrikaans with their other grandparents.
Toddlers do have to 'use language' to get by somehow. My youngest granddaughter is quite capable of 'sounding' words but she finds it so much more effective to you 'ahahah' through her 'demands' and use sign language to get herself 'heard'. Which she does. I see unschooling as a way to allow these children to be who they are regardless of the demands of society. My youngest, nearly 17 year old son has great difficulty in using the correct 'Der, Die, Das' format in German. English is so much asier to use in this regard. I guess it is only a matter of time that he will prefer to rather speak with me in English to evade my 'energetic' displeasure at his 'unconsciously wrong' use of the wrong 'inflection.'
Blissings
Ulrike
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Toddlers do have to 'use language' to get by somehow. My youngest granddaughter is quite capable of 'sounding' words but she finds it so much more effective to you 'ahahah' through her 'demands' and use sign language to get herself 'heard'. Which she does. I see unschooling as a way to allow these children to be who they are regardless of the demands of society. My youngest, nearly 17 year old son has great difficulty in using the correct 'Der, Die, Das' format in German. English is so much asier to use in this regard. I guess it is only a matter of time that he will prefer to rather speak with me in English to evade my 'energetic' displeasure at his 'unconsciously wrong' use of the wrong 'inflection.'
Blissings
Ulrike
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