Food allergy question
Lindsey
My daughter Ramsey, 4, has problems with milk. She doesn't get a rash or that sort of thing. She does have stomach troubles and sometimes vomiting/diarrhea. A little bit won't hurt her but if she has to much or to often it does.
I've asked her after she ate things heavy in dairy how she feels and she will say it's yucky but that doesn't really sway her next time. I'm not really sure what to do about it. I know she likes it and I want her to make her own choices. But it's also a bit of a health issue.
Any thoughts would be welcomed.
I've asked her after she ate things heavy in dairy how she feels and she will say it's yucky but that doesn't really sway her next time. I'm not really sure what to do about it. I know she likes it and I want her to make her own choices. But it's also a bit of a health issue.
Any thoughts would be welcomed.
sistergoddesselli
hi -
I have been studying healthy food and allergies for quite some time now, and have found the best source of information to be the Weston A Price Foundation: www.westonaprice.com and an off-shoot of theirs The Real Milk Campaign: www.realmilk.com.
Here's what I've learned about milk:
Pasteurized milk is un-digestible!
Raw milk is healing and healthy.
We get our raw milk from local farmers. We make yogurt and soft cheese and drink the delicious cream floating on the top and all of the sweet milk. The kids love it. And, it doesn't hurt their tummies!
Good luck!
Love,
Elli
I have been studying healthy food and allergies for quite some time now, and have found the best source of information to be the Weston A Price Foundation: www.westonaprice.com and an off-shoot of theirs The Real Milk Campaign: www.realmilk.com.
Here's what I've learned about milk:
Pasteurized milk is un-digestible!
Raw milk is healing and healthy.
We get our raw milk from local farmers. We make yogurt and soft cheese and drink the delicious cream floating on the top and all of the sweet milk. The kids love it. And, it doesn't hurt their tummies!
Good luck!
Love,
Elli
--- In [email protected], "Lindsey" <lao80@...> wrote:
>
> My daughter Ramsey, 4, has problems with milk. She doesn't get a rash or that sort of thing. She does have stomach troubles and sometimes vomiting/diarrhea. A little bit won't hurt her but if she has to much or to often it does.
>
> I've asked her after she ate things heavy in dairy how she feels and she will say it's yucky but that doesn't really sway her next time. I'm not really sure what to do about it. I know she likes it and I want her to make her own choices. But it's also a bit of a health issue.
>
> Any thoughts would be welcomed.
>
duckgirl01
Have you thought about trying to find non-dairy substitutes for your daughter's favorite foods? Ask her which dairy foods are the ones she wants to be eating, and then work with her to find a substitute. When I first started nursing my daughter, I had to go on a non-dairy diet for about 18 months, and during that time I had to completely re-vamp my diet. I found ways to cook most things with non-dairy alternatives. Ice-cream, for instance - there are pretty yummy rice-milk and soy based ice creams in major supermarkets these days. Or you could get an ice-cream maker and make your own. Your daughter may like doing this with you! I also found non-dairy solid fats at the health food store so that I could make pie crusts with - not as yummy as butter, but better than no pie!
One more thing - have you tried other forms of dairy other than cow? Some people find goat milk to be a lot less allergy-causing than other milks. I've also read some interesting info about how similar donkey milk is to human breastmilk. Not sure if you could find donkey milk to try, but maybe google it?
Trish
One more thing - have you tried other forms of dairy other than cow? Some people find goat milk to be a lot less allergy-causing than other milks. I've also read some interesting info about how similar donkey milk is to human breastmilk. Not sure if you could find donkey milk to try, but maybe google it?
Trish
--- In [email protected], "Lindsey" <lao80@...> wrote:
>
> My daughter Ramsey, 4, has problems with milk. She doesn't get a rash or that sort of thing. She does have stomach troubles and sometimes vomiting/diarrhea. A little bit won't hurt her but if she has to much or to often it does.
>
> I've asked her after she ate things heavy in dairy how she feels and she will say it's yucky but that doesn't really sway her next time. I'm not really sure what to do about it. I know she likes it and I want her to make her own choices. But it's also a bit of a health issue.
>
> Any thoughts would be welcomed.
>
Lisa Smith
We just found out my 3 yo has a wheat allergy. We have cut it totally from his diet for now and he is a different kid. Talking more (he does not say many words), happier, just different. As of now we have found alternatives for EVERY food he likes. He also reacts poorly to dyes so it is hard but we have done it. When he gets older he will be able to decide if he wants to eat something with wheat but for now we just make sure he has all his favorites in wheat free form. They make tons of dairy free stuff for your daughter so she can still eat the foods she likes and not feel icky after.
Lisa
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Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:02:32 am
To: [email protected]
From: "Lindsey" <lao80@...>
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Food allergy question
My daughter Ramsey, 4, has problems with milk. She doesn't get a rash or that sort of thing. She does have stomach troubles and sometimes vomiting/diarrhea. A little bit won't hurt her but if she has to much or to often it does.
I've asked her after she ate things heavy in dairy how she feels and she will say it's yucky but that doesn't really sway her next time. I'm not really sure what to do about it. I know she likes it and I want her to make her own choices. But it's also a bit of a health issue.
Any thoughts would be welcomed.
Lisa
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:02:32 am
To: [email protected]
From: "Lindsey" <lao80@...>
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Food allergy question
My daughter Ramsey, 4, has problems with milk. She doesn't get a rash or that sort of thing. She does have stomach troubles and sometimes vomiting/diarrhea. A little bit won't hurt her but if she has to much or to often it does.
I've asked her after she ate things heavy in dairy how she feels and she will say it's yucky but that doesn't really sway her next time. I'm not really sure what to do about it. I know she likes it and I want her to make her own choices. But it's also a bit of a health issue.
Any thoughts would be welcomed.
Tammy Curry
There are alternatives to milk available, if at a possible provide those for her dairy choices. :)
Tammy Curry, Director of Chaos
http://tammycurry.blogspot.com/
http://crazy-homeschool-adventures.blogspot.com/
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Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:57:36 AM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Food allergy question
My daughter Ramsey, 4, has problems with milk. She doesn't get a rash or that sort of thing. She does have stomach troubles and sometimes vomiting/diarrhea. A little bit won't hurt her but if she has to much or to often it does.
I've asked her after she ate things heavy in dairy how she feels and she will say it's yucky but that doesn't really sway her next time. I'm not really sure what to do about it. I know she likes it and I want her to make her own choices. But it's also a bit of a health issue.
Any thoughts would be welcomed.
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From: Lindsey <lao80@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:57:36 AM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Food allergy question
My daughter Ramsey, 4, has problems with milk. She doesn't get a rash or that sort of thing. She does have stomach troubles and sometimes vomiting/diarrhea. A little bit won't hurt her but if she has to much or to often it does.
I've asked her after she ate things heavy in dairy how she feels and she will say it's yucky but that doesn't really sway her next time. I'm not really sure what to do about it. I know she likes it and I want her to make her own choices. But it's also a bit of a health issue.
Any thoughts would be welcomed.
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Catherine Brown
Lindsey,
I've been there! I would say that you first need to find out if it is lactose intollerance, milk protein intollerance (lactose free milk would not help but the symptoms would be the same as lactose intollerance) or if it is a true IgE mediated allergy. That will make a big difference as to whether it is safe for you to allow your child to make the decisions. For lactose intollerance it may be as simple as taking a lactaid pill beforehand. You can search for information about the three different milk issues online, speak to her pediatrician, see an allergy specialist for testing, etc. One AMAZING online resource is the Kids with Food Allergies website/forum. When I first realized my children's dairy issues weren't lactose intollerance (milk sugar) but intollerance to the protein in milk, I joined their forum and it was a lifesaver.
Best of luck and feel free to email me if you have any other questions,
Catherine
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I've been there! I would say that you first need to find out if it is lactose intollerance, milk protein intollerance (lactose free milk would not help but the symptoms would be the same as lactose intollerance) or if it is a true IgE mediated allergy. That will make a big difference as to whether it is safe for you to allow your child to make the decisions. For lactose intollerance it may be as simple as taking a lactaid pill beforehand. You can search for information about the three different milk issues online, speak to her pediatrician, see an allergy specialist for testing, etc. One AMAZING online resource is the Kids with Food Allergies website/forum. When I first realized my children's dairy issues weren't lactose intollerance (milk sugar) but intollerance to the protein in milk, I joined their forum and it was a lifesaver.
Best of luck and feel free to email me if you have any other questions,
Catherine
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Pam Sorooshian
On 3/11/2009 10:57 PM, Lindsey wrote:
supplement called "Digestive Advantage Lactose Intolerance Therapy"
which has been wonderful for us. I tried lots of other things first -
and went completely off dairy of any kind (and, trust me, ferreting out
the dairy in all foods is tricky) for quite a few years. Digestive
Advantage Lactose Intolerance Therapy is not just like Lactaid (the
milk-digesting enzyme). It works way way better to allow milk products
to be digested or, at least, not upset the digestive system.
They have a children's version. You can get free samples at their website.
<http://www.digestiveadvantage.com/prod_adult_li.html>
Hope this helps - it has been fantastic for my family. All the
difference in the world.
-pam
> My daughter Ramsey, 4, has problems with milk. She doesn't get a rash or that sort of thing. She does have stomach troubles and sometimes vomiting/diarrhea. A little bit won't hurt her but if she has to much or to often it does.My oldest daughter and I have lactose intolerance, too. There is a
>
> I've asked her after she ate things heavy in dairy how she feels and she will say it's yucky but that doesn't really sway her next time. I'm not really sure what to do about it. I know she likes it and I want her to make her own choices. But it's also a bit of a health issue.
>
> Any thoughts would be welcomed.
>
supplement called "Digestive Advantage Lactose Intolerance Therapy"
which has been wonderful for us. I tried lots of other things first -
and went completely off dairy of any kind (and, trust me, ferreting out
the dairy in all foods is tricky) for quite a few years. Digestive
Advantage Lactose Intolerance Therapy is not just like Lactaid (the
milk-digesting enzyme). It works way way better to allow milk products
to be digested or, at least, not upset the digestive system.
They have a children's version. You can get free samples at their website.
<http://www.digestiveadvantage.com/prod_adult_li.html>
Hope this helps - it has been fantastic for my family. All the
difference in the world.
-pam
Verna
--- In [email protected], "Lindsey" <lao80@...> wrote:
>my son is allergic to milk. he is 6. he eats soy cheese, rice milk, soy and rice ice cream, choc silk, soy yogurt, he like dips made with non dairy cream cheese and marshmellows. honestly, over the past 6 years we have found ways to substitute just about anything he might have been missing. i just try to have it all available.
> My daughter Ramsey, 4, has problems with milk. She doesn't get a rash or that sort of thing. She does have stomach troubles and sometimes vomiting/diarrhea. A little bit won't hurt her but if she has to much or to often it does.
>
> I've asked her after she ate things heavy in dairy how she feels and she will say it's yucky but that doesn't really sway her next time. I'm not really sure what to do about it. I know she likes it and I want her to make her own choices. But it's also a bit of a health issue.
>
Katrinka
>I'm allergic to cow's milk, it's not just something that I can use Lactaid to drink milk. I did try lactaid and it didn't work! I will still get sick. It took forever for the doctors to realize that that was what was wrong with me. The problem? I sometimes crave what I'm allergic to!
> my son is allergic to milk. he is 6. he eats soy cheese, rice milk, soy and rice ice cream, choc silk, soy yogurt, he like dips made with non dairy cream cheese and marshmellows. honestly, over the past 6 years we have found ways to substitute just about anything he might have been missing. i just try to have it all available.
>
I prefer rice cream, rice milk ect. I also eat goats milk cheese, and goats milk, which I get a the local super walmart. I would ask your doctor about milk allergies.
Meredith
--- In [email protected], "sistergoddesselli" <elinorsparks@...> wrote:
Where this pertains to radical unschooling in a significant way is that our children sometimes have very very different dietary needs than we do. George does poorly with milk, but its an important part of Mo's diet. If we applied George's dietary needs to Mo, she'd be missing something that she loves and is healthy for her.
---Meredith (Mo 7, Ray 15)
>> Here's what I've learned about milk:Some people have trouble digesting pasteurized milk, for sure. Others digest it very well. Its good to look for options and alternatives, but no two humans are alike. What's healthy for me may be toxic to you and vice versa.
>> Pasteurized milk is un-digestible!
Where this pertains to radical unschooling in a significant way is that our children sometimes have very very different dietary needs than we do. George does poorly with milk, but its an important part of Mo's diet. If we applied George's dietary needs to Mo, she'd be missing something that she loves and is healthy for her.
---Meredith (Mo 7, Ray 15)
Betj
Good points! My son is allergic to ALL nuts and I trade out Halloween candy with him and have to bake his birthday cakes. He's also allergic to soy and has outgrown an egg allergy. Luckily soy won't kill him like nuts could especially since it's in everything! He does feel like he's missing out at times. What's funny is he's the only kid I can think of that didn't like peanut butter crackers! (We didn't know he was allergic until about 5.) It's not a big deal to him as long as there is an alternative. We take foods he can eat to parties and such so he doesn't miss out.
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From: Catherine Brown <akemt@...>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:46:27
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re:Food allergy question
Lindsey,
I've been there! I would say that you first need to find out if it is lactose intollerance, milk protein intollerance (lactose free milk would not help but the symptoms would be the same as lactose intollerance) or if it is a true IgE mediated allergy. That will make a big difference as to whether it is safe for you to allow your child to make the decisions. For lactose intollerance it may be as simple as taking a lactaid pill beforehand. You can search for information about the three different milk issues online, speak to her pediatrician, see an allergy specialist for testing, etc. One AMAZING online resource is the Kids with Food Allergies website/forum. When I first realized my children's dairy issues weren't lactose intollerance (milk sugar) but intollerance to the protein in milk, I joined their forum and it was a lifesaver.
Best of luck and feel free to email me if you have any other questions,
Catherine
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From: Catherine Brown <akemt@...>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:46:27
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re:Food allergy question
Lindsey,
I've been there! I would say that you first need to find out if it is lactose intollerance, milk protein intollerance (lactose free milk would not help but the symptoms would be the same as lactose intollerance) or if it is a true IgE mediated allergy. That will make a big difference as to whether it is safe for you to allow your child to make the decisions. For lactose intollerance it may be as simple as taking a lactaid pill beforehand. You can search for information about the three different milk issues online, speak to her pediatrician, see an allergy specialist for testing, etc. One AMAZING online resource is the Kids with Food Allergies website/forum. When I first realized my children's dairy issues weren't lactose intollerance (milk sugar) but intollerance to the protein in milk, I joined their forum and it was a lifesaver.
Best of luck and feel free to email me if you have any other questions,
Catherine
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Lindsey
Thanks for all the replys. We only have soy/almond/rice milk/ice cream/treats in the house because I'm vegan and the others just don't care if it's not cow milk. The problem only really comes with cheese. She doesn't like the "fake" cheese. So, she wants "real" cheese sticks, pizza, mac&cheese, crackers etc. and then gets sick. Maybe if I try more brands of non-dairy cheese or those lactaid pills. I never even thought about another animals cheese. I've only had the fancy goat cheese but there must be just regular ol' mozarella just with goat or sheep. Thank you! I'll have to head over to Whole Foods.
--- In [email protected], "Betj" <bkind28@...> wrote:
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> Good points! My son is allergic to ALL nuts and I trade out Halloween candy with him and have to bake his birthday cakes. He's also allergic to soy and has outgrown an egg allergy. Luckily soy won't kill him like nuts could especially since it's in everything! He does feel like he's missing out at times. What's funny is he's the only kid I can think of that didn't like peanut butter crackers! (We didn't know he was allergic until about 5.) It's not a big deal to him as long as there is an alternative. We take foods he can eat to parties and such so he doesn't miss out.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Catherine Brown <akemt@...>
>
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:46:27
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re:Food allergy question
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> Lindsey,
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> I've been there! I would say that you first need to find out if it is lactose intollerance, milk protein intollerance (lactose free milk would not help but the symptoms would be the same as lactose intollerance) or if it is a true IgE mediated allergy. That will make a big difference as to whether it is safe for you to allow your child to make the decisions. For lactose intollerance it may be as simple as taking a lactaid pill beforehand. You can search for information about the three different milk issues online, speak to her pediatrician, see an allergy specialist for testing, etc. One AMAZING online resource is the Kids with Food Allergies website/forum. When I first realized my children's dairy issues weren't lactose intollerance (milk sugar) but intollerance to the protein in milk, I joined their forum and it was a lifesaver.
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> Best of luck and feel free to email me if you have any other questions,
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> Catherine
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DJ250
Raw milk is tolerated very well by people who usually have trouble with pasteurized milk! Check out www.westonaprice.org for sources in your area and info on raw milk benefits. Our family loves it!
~Melissa, in MD :)
~Melissa, in MD :)
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From: Meredith
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Food allergy question
--- In [email protected], "sistergoddesselli" <elinorsparks@...> wrote:
>> Here's what I've learned about milk:
>> Pasteurized milk is un-digestible!
Some people have trouble digesting pasteurized milk, for sure. Others digest it very well. Its good to look for options and alternatives, but no two humans are alike. What's healthy for me may be toxic to you and vice versa.
Where this pertains to radical unschooling in a significant way is that our children sometimes have very very different dietary needs than we do. George does poorly with milk, but its an important part of Mo's diet. If we applied George's dietary needs to Mo, she'd be missing something that she loves and is healthy for her.
---Meredith (Mo 7, Ray 15)
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diana jenner
I'm the one with a dairy allergy in our house *&* I'm the #1 lover of all
things dairy :)
My symptoms are less digestive and more in my throat and ears (buzzing,
tickling, phlegminess)...
For my own comfort, I keep the good "fake" stuff around the house, the SO
frozen sandwiches,etc...
When the family wants something dairy laden, I'd rather have something
completely different as I've not found a single "fake" product to my
liking!! Even the woman at the co-op talked me out of trying the different
"fake" cheeses as they just don't melt right and frankly, your daughter's
right, they're gross in comparison! (It's all about the fat in dairy for me:
whipping cream, mozzarella cheese - the fake ain't fat & gooey!)
They do have a new line of unpasteurized cheeses that I'd like to try - just
to see if the Raw theory works for me :)
I just discovered a French Bakery in town - the kind of baking that is a
WHOLE LOTTA BUTTER and a sprinkling of flour ;) There are days when my soul
needs the nourishment - body's reaction be damned - and I indulge myself.
AND I take care of myself: drink 2x - 3x my normal water intake, 2x dose of
acidophillis (vegan probiotics - others grown in milk!) & nap if necessary -
and I warn my family, so they know my ears are buzzy and my throat tickles
and I might be reacting strangely, so please be nice & they are :) They know
how much I miss butter...
If I ever make it back to Jersey, I'm getting me a Large Plain and I'm gonna
eat it all myself -- and curl up somewhere for the next few days :D
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
hannahsashes.blogspot.com
dianas365.blogspot.com
things dairy :)
My symptoms are less digestive and more in my throat and ears (buzzing,
tickling, phlegminess)...
For my own comfort, I keep the good "fake" stuff around the house, the SO
frozen sandwiches,etc...
When the family wants something dairy laden, I'd rather have something
completely different as I've not found a single "fake" product to my
liking!! Even the woman at the co-op talked me out of trying the different
"fake" cheeses as they just don't melt right and frankly, your daughter's
right, they're gross in comparison! (It's all about the fat in dairy for me:
whipping cream, mozzarella cheese - the fake ain't fat & gooey!)
They do have a new line of unpasteurized cheeses that I'd like to try - just
to see if the Raw theory works for me :)
I just discovered a French Bakery in town - the kind of baking that is a
WHOLE LOTTA BUTTER and a sprinkling of flour ;) There are days when my soul
needs the nourishment - body's reaction be damned - and I indulge myself.
AND I take care of myself: drink 2x - 3x my normal water intake, 2x dose of
acidophillis (vegan probiotics - others grown in milk!) & nap if necessary -
and I warn my family, so they know my ears are buzzy and my throat tickles
and I might be reacting strangely, so please be nice & they are :) They know
how much I miss butter...
If I ever make it back to Jersey, I'm getting me a Large Plain and I'm gonna
eat it all myself -- and curl up somewhere for the next few days :D
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
hannahsashes.blogspot.com
dianas365.blogspot.com
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Lindsey <lao80@...> wrote:
> Thanks for all the replys. We only have soy/almond/rice milk/ice
> cream/treats in the house because I'm vegan and the others just don't care
> if it's not cow milk. The problem only really comes with cheese. She doesn't
> like the "fake" cheese. So, she wants "real" cheese sticks, pizza,
> mac&cheese, crackers etc. and then gets sick. Maybe if I try more brands of
> non-dairy cheese or those lactaid pills. I never even thought about another
> animals cheese. I've only had the fancy goat cheese but there must be just
> regular ol' mozarella just with goat or sheep. Thank you! I'll have to head
> over to Whole Foods.
>
>
>
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Robin Bentley
> I've been there! I would say that you first need to find out if itI'm curious. In terms of safety, what the consequences of eating/
> is lactose intollerance, milk protein intollerance (lactose free
> milk would not help but the symptoms would be the same as lactose
> intollerance) or if it is a true IgE mediated allergy.
drinking dairy in all 3 cases? Diana has told us what happens to her.
What else might occur?
> That will make a big difference as to whether it is safe for you toIn terms of unschooling, it will make a big difference if you present
> allow your child to make the decisions.
the facts (as you know them) and your opinions to your child, to help
him with his decisions. It's not decision-making in a vacuum. Deciding
one way or another *for* a child doesn't help him to understand what's
happening. Letting him make the decision to eat dairy or not shouldn't
be done without informing him. He should still have a choice.
Diana *knows* she's allergic, yet there are times she freely chooses
to have dairy and deal with the consequences *for her*. Kids should be
given the opportunity to do the same, if they want. And not with "I
told you so" that often happens when kids make mistakes or even
informed choices that don't turn out well. Surprisingly enough,
unschooling families have often found that kids make the choice to
feel good, which means avoiding certain foods. But, sometimes, they
have to try it to know the difference.
> For lactose intollerance it may be as simple as taking a lactaidCan people die of intolerance to milk protein?
> pill beforehand. You can search for information about the three
> different milk issues online, speak to her pediatrician, see an
> allergy specialist for testing, etc. One AMAZING online resource is
> the Kids with Food Allergies website/forum. When I first realized
> my children's dairy issues weren't lactose intollerance (milk sugar)
> but intollerance to the protein in milk, I joined their forum and it
> was a lifesaver.
Robin B.
>
Bekki Kirby
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Robin Bentley
<robin.bentley@...> wrote:
have anaphylactic reactions if you're truly allergic to dairy protein.
And, long-term, the damage done to the intestines by continuing to
eat (on a fairly regular basis) foods that you're intolerant to can
lead to leaky gut, malnutrition, auto-immune disease, and a cascade of
other illnesses.
I have no confirmation, but I highly suspect that my stillborn
daughter's death was due to my food intolerances causing the
auto-immune clotting disorder that I suddenly developed while pregnant
with her.
So, yeah... there can be serious consequences.
I have a range of reactions to the things I'm allergic to, from a
tickly ear to nausea and stomach pain to what I call my narcolepsy...
get so tired I have no choice but to lie down. I also find that my
asthma triggers are hugely exaggerated when I eat something I'm not
supposed to. Even as an adult I found it hard to avoid the foods I'm
intolerant of until I got SO sick that I no longer had a choice... and
now after finally being off of them for a long time and finally (for
the first time in my entire life) knowing what it feels like to feel
good... now it's easy to turn down things that I used to love. So, I
personally think it's important to give a child the ability to make a
real decision... and that involves letting them know what it feels
like to feel good. That generally means being 100% off the offending
food for about a month.
Bekki
--
”Do not ask what the world needs. Instead, ask what makes you come
alive. Because what the world needs is more people who have come
alive.”
--Thurmond Whitman
Mother of four angels and two pirates
Kayla (10)
Hunter (b. 8/9/03, d. 8/22/03)
Jo (misc 1/15/04)
Jared (4)
Camelia (b. 12/16/07, d. 12/10/07)
Hope/Chance (misc 11/25/08)
<robin.bentley@...> wrote:
>> I've been there! I would say that you first need to find out if itPeople won't die quickly of a dairy intolerance, but it is possible to
>> is lactose intollerance, milk protein intollerance (lactose free
>> milk would not help but the symptoms would be the same as lactose
>> intollerance) or if it is a true IgE mediated allergy.
>
> I'm curious. In terms of safety, what the consequences of eating/
> drinking dairy in all 3 cases? Diana has told us what happens to her.
> What else might occur?
have anaphylactic reactions if you're truly allergic to dairy protein.
And, long-term, the damage done to the intestines by continuing to
eat (on a fairly regular basis) foods that you're intolerant to can
lead to leaky gut, malnutrition, auto-immune disease, and a cascade of
other illnesses.
I have no confirmation, but I highly suspect that my stillborn
daughter's death was due to my food intolerances causing the
auto-immune clotting disorder that I suddenly developed while pregnant
with her.
So, yeah... there can be serious consequences.
I have a range of reactions to the things I'm allergic to, from a
tickly ear to nausea and stomach pain to what I call my narcolepsy...
get so tired I have no choice but to lie down. I also find that my
asthma triggers are hugely exaggerated when I eat something I'm not
supposed to. Even as an adult I found it hard to avoid the foods I'm
intolerant of until I got SO sick that I no longer had a choice... and
now after finally being off of them for a long time and finally (for
the first time in my entire life) knowing what it feels like to feel
good... now it's easy to turn down things that I used to love. So, I
personally think it's important to give a child the ability to make a
real decision... and that involves letting them know what it feels
like to feel good. That generally means being 100% off the offending
food for about a month.
Bekki
--
”Do not ask what the world needs. Instead, ask what makes you come
alive. Because what the world needs is more people who have come
alive.”
--Thurmond Whitman
Mother of four angels and two pirates
Kayla (10)
Hunter (b. 8/9/03, d. 8/22/03)
Jo (misc 1/15/04)
Jared (4)
Camelia (b. 12/16/07, d. 12/10/07)
Hope/Chance (misc 11/25/08)
Melissa Gray
> Well, in the case of lactose intolerance, you've got your basicNot that I've studied all that ;-)
> intestinal problems, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. Protein
> intolerance is similar, although you're more likely to see colic
> and eczema alongside. A downright IgE allergy is the typical
> anaphylictic reaction that people expect, although some may have a
> lesser reaction, similar to lactose intolerance and the wheezing/
> hives builds up with each exposure. People CAN die from
> intolerance, but honestly it takes much longer than an anaphylactic
> reaction...usually the intestines slough off, nutrition absorption
> is decreased and you have malnutrition. Some studies have shown
> that similar to celiac, it increases chances of cancer and other
> bowel issues.
>
> > I've been there! I would say that you first need to find out if it[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > is lactose intollerance, milk protein intollerance (lactose free
> > milk would not help but the symptoms would be the same as lactose
> > intollerance) or if it is a true IgE mediated allergy.
>
> I'm curious. In terms of safety, what the consequences of eating/
> drinking dairy in all 3 cases? Diana has told us what happens to her.
> What else might occur?
>
>
>
>
Robin Bentley
On Mar 13, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Melissa Gray wrote:
information to know and share with one's kids. Providing information
helps me be my child's partner in her decisions about her health.
Robin B.
>> Well, in the case of lactose intolerance, you've got your basicUnpleasant and difficult conditions to have, in any case. That's good
>> intestinal problems, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. Protein
>> intolerance is similar, although you're more likely to see colic
>> and eczema alongside. A downright IgE allergy is the typical
>> anaphylictic reaction that people expect, although some may have a
>> lesser reaction, similar to lactose intolerance and the wheezing/
>> hives builds up with each exposure. People CAN die from
>> intolerance, but honestly it takes much longer than an anaphylactic
>> reaction...usually the intestines slough off, nutrition absorption
>> is decreased and you have malnutrition. Some studies have shown
>> that similar to celiac, it increases chances of cancer and other
>> bowel issues.
>>
>
> Not that I've studied all that ;-)
>
information to know and share with one's kids. Providing information
helps me be my child's partner in her decisions about her health.
Robin B.
Pam Sorooshian
On 3/13/2009 9:22 AM, Robin Bentley wrote:
daughter has it, I have it. Lower bowels bloated, rumbling and bubbling,
discomfort, gas, diarrhea, cramping are typical. Only about 25 percent
of people who self-diagnose with lactose intolerance really do have it.
And it isn't all-or-nothing - lots of people can handle a little milk,
and not a lot. There are reliable tests for lactose intolerance - but
most doctors don't bother with them. If you really truly want to know -
do the hydrogen breath analysis.
I went off all dairy (and I mean I searched out every possible little
additive to every food) for a few years. I tried raw milk and raw cheese
and goat's milk and everything else anybody ever suggested. All have
lactose - raw milk has just as much lactose as pasteurized milk.
Some producers of raw milk claim there is lactase IN the raw milk. That
doesn't appear to be true - if it was true, there would be no lactose,
as the lactase would break down the lactose right there in the milk.
What raw milk has is what they call friendly bacteria - those friendly
bacteria might sometimes help a person produce more lactase. If your
body just can't produce lactase, no matter what, the extra bacteria
won't help. If the bacter/a will help, there are ways to take probiotics
that might help more consistently - raw milk is very inconsistent in
what bacteria are in it plus the bacteria needs to be taken
consistently, to build up and create an environment in the digestive
system that facilitates lactase production.
/
/Also, most people start to produce less and less lactase as they get
older and become less able to tolerate as much lactose - and the ability
to produce lactase can be inconsistent. So, one day I would be able to
drink a big glass of milk and another day the amount of milk in a muffin
might do me in.
/
/Anyway - that is all about lactose intolerance - not allergy.
Unfortunately, some people have both - a not-insignificant number -
which confuses the issue even more.
/
/-pam
/
>> I've been there! I would say that you first need to find out if itI have a ton of experience with lactose intolerance - my mom had it, my
>> > is lactose intollerance, milk protein intollerance (lactose free
>> > milk would not help but the symptoms would be the same as lactose
>> > intollerance) or if it is a true IgE mediated allergy.
>
> I'm curious. In terms of safety, what the consequences of eating/
> drinking dairy in all 3 cases? Diana has told us what happens to her.
> What else might occur?
>
daughter has it, I have it. Lower bowels bloated, rumbling and bubbling,
discomfort, gas, diarrhea, cramping are typical. Only about 25 percent
of people who self-diagnose with lactose intolerance really do have it.
And it isn't all-or-nothing - lots of people can handle a little milk,
and not a lot. There are reliable tests for lactose intolerance - but
most doctors don't bother with them. If you really truly want to know -
do the hydrogen breath analysis.
I went off all dairy (and I mean I searched out every possible little
additive to every food) for a few years. I tried raw milk and raw cheese
and goat's milk and everything else anybody ever suggested. All have
lactose - raw milk has just as much lactose as pasteurized milk.
Some producers of raw milk claim there is lactase IN the raw milk. That
doesn't appear to be true - if it was true, there would be no lactose,
as the lactase would break down the lactose right there in the milk.
What raw milk has is what they call friendly bacteria - those friendly
bacteria might sometimes help a person produce more lactase. If your
body just can't produce lactase, no matter what, the extra bacteria
won't help. If the bacter/a will help, there are ways to take probiotics
that might help more consistently - raw milk is very inconsistent in
what bacteria are in it plus the bacteria needs to be taken
consistently, to build up and create an environment in the digestive
system that facilitates lactase production.
/
/Also, most people start to produce less and less lactase as they get
older and become less able to tolerate as much lactose - and the ability
to produce lactase can be inconsistent. So, one day I would be able to
drink a big glass of milk and another day the amount of milk in a muffin
might do me in.
/
/Anyway - that is all about lactose intolerance - not allergy.
Unfortunately, some people have both - a not-insignificant number -
which confuses the issue even more.
/
/-pam
/
diana jenner
responding to my own response :)
After thinking about what I wrote, I wonder if your daughter is seeking out
fat sources. Large amounts of fat are required for brain development and
function (compared to an adult's needs), she may be undergoing a brain-spurt
and seeking out the easily known-to-her-body sources of that necessary
fat.
--it took a long time for me to give up milk, mostly to recover from a
childhood of denied milk (it was too expensive)... the freedom I feel now
with dairy in general is how I want my kid to *always* feel - there's a
choice and we can make it work.
It's been how our life's been and dealing with food is no different :D
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
hannahsashes.blogspot.com
dianas365.blogspot.com
After thinking about what I wrote, I wonder if your daughter is seeking out
fat sources. Large amounts of fat are required for brain development and
function (compared to an adult's needs), she may be undergoing a brain-spurt
and seeking out the easily known-to-her-body sources of that necessary
fat.
--it took a long time for me to give up milk, mostly to recover from a
childhood of denied milk (it was too expensive)... the freedom I feel now
with dairy in general is how I want my kid to *always* feel - there's a
choice and we can make it work.
It's been how our life's been and dealing with food is no different :D
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
hannahsashes.blogspot.com
dianas365.blogspot.com
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:23 AM, diana jenner <hahamommy@...> wrote:
> I'm the one with a dairy allergy in our house *&* I'm the #1 lover of all
> things dairy :)
> My symptoms are less digestive and more in my throat and ears (buzzing,
> tickling, phlegminess)...
> For my own comfort, I keep the good "fake" stuff around the house, the SO
> frozen sandwiches,etc...
> When the family wants something dairy laden, I'd rather have something
> completely different as I've not found a single "fake" product to my
> liking!! Even the woman at the co-op talked me out of trying the different
> "fake" cheeses as they just don't melt right and frankly, your daughter's
> right, they're gross in comparison! (It's all about the fat in dairy for me:
> whipping cream, mozzarella cheese - the fake ain't fat & gooey!)
> They do have a new line of unpasteurized cheeses that I'd like to try -
> just to see if the Raw theory works for me :)
> I just discovered a French Bakery in town - the kind of baking that is a
> WHOLE LOTTA BUTTER and a sprinkling of flour ;) There are days when my soul
> needs the nourishment - body's reaction be damned - and I indulge myself.
> AND I take care of myself: drink 2x - 3x my normal water intake, 2x dose of
> acidophillis (vegan probiotics - others grown in milk!) & nap if necessary -
> and I warn my family, so they know my ears are buzzy and my throat tickles
> and I might be reacting strangely, so please be nice & they are :) They know
> how much I miss butter...
> If I ever make it back to Jersey, I'm getting me a Large Plain and I'm
> gonna eat it all myself -- and curl up somewhere for the next few days :D
> ~diana :)
> xoxoxoxo
> hannahbearski.blogspot.com
> hannahsashes.blogspot.com
> dianas365.blogspot.com
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Lindsey <lao80@...> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the replys. We only have soy/almond/rice milk/ice
>> cream/treats in the house because I'm vegan and the others just don't care
>> if it's not cow milk. The problem only really comes with cheese. She doesn't
>> like the "fake" cheese. So, she wants "real" cheese sticks, pizza,
>> mac&cheese, crackers etc. and then gets sick. Maybe if I try more brands of
>> non-dairy cheese or those lactaid pills. I never even thought about another
>> animals cheese. I've only had the fancy goat cheese but there must be just
>> regular ol' mozarella just with goat or sheep. Thank you! I'll have to head
>> over to Whole Foods.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Verna
The problem only really comes with cheese. She doesn't
i think knowing if she actually has an allergy or if it is lactose intollerance is your primary question though.
> >> like the "fake" cheese. So, she wants "real" cheese sticks, pizza,my son eats the fake cheese but he has never been able to eat the real thing.. he is so enjoying having cheese that he doesnt care if it is different. i have tried it and dont particulary like it myself. but have found some that melts pretty well. it comes shreaded in a bag and i melt it on pizza and in macaroni.
> >> mac&cheese, crackers etc. and then gets sick. Maybe if I try more brands of
> >> non-dairy cheese or those lactaid pills. I never even thought about another
> >> animals cheese. I've only had the fancy goat cheese but there must be just
> >> regular ol' mozarella just with goat or sheep. Thank you! I'll have to head
> >> over to Whole Foods.
i think knowing if she actually has an allergy or if it is lactose intollerance is your primary question though.
Lisa
My son is allergic to cow's milk... really allergic as in ER visit if he gets that in conjunction with other foods he is allergic to (egg yolks, soy, tree nuts) we were told by the nutritionist that goat's milk protein is one of the closest to human milk protein and normally tolerated well by those allergic to cow dairy. We use goat mozzarella (found at whole foods) we use pecorino romano for our pasta dishes (sheep's milk found at lots of places but check there are some that are labeled as PR but contain cow dairy)there's a good goat cheddar at Trader Joe's . None of the fake stuff works for him because all seem to contain either soy or casein...even those rice slices have casein in them which just steams me! He drinks ricemilk which we try not to refer to as milk but just a nice drink that he enjoys ... mostly he likes the chocolate. We use the Laloo's goat's milk ice cream (whole foods) or Rice Dream (lots of stores carry this ) When I make homemade pizza he can have pizza with the goat mozzarella... doesn't melt exactly the same (seems a little less gooey ) but I find that drizzling a bit of olive oil over it makes it a little more gooey. Also goat butter is WONDERFUL!
There are lots of goat and sheep cheeses at Whole Foods... when we first learned of our child's allergy we went and talked to the cheese counter folks and told them about his allergy and that we wanted to try some of the various sheep and goat... they were great with us and took lots of time helping us find substitutes for things he had enjoyed pre dx ... there's even a little white cheese (it comes in a log so the pieces you get are about hockey puck size) I forget the name but it's sheep... starts with a M darn it ..at any rate it serious has a bit of "Kraft slices" type taste... my little guy LOVED to fold Kraft slices to eat before we realized that was making him sick so having something that had that same taste made him very happy. It doesn't melt well but it's great for just eating with crackers or whatever.
Also look for a local person that sells these alternative cheeses.. lots of goat farmers and sheep farmers sell their products at farmer's markets and directly from their farms. Just a note of caution... we find that in the spring when lots of things are blooming and grasses are starting our guy gets a bit itchy and phlegmy if he gets too much goat's milk so we try to use more local honey and if all else fails benedryl comes to play!
We have also found lots of great fruit bars and there are rice milk fudge bars (very yummy!) and we make our own ice cream from rice milk and goat's milk.
Hope this helps!
Lisa B
There are lots of goat and sheep cheeses at Whole Foods... when we first learned of our child's allergy we went and talked to the cheese counter folks and told them about his allergy and that we wanted to try some of the various sheep and goat... they were great with us and took lots of time helping us find substitutes for things he had enjoyed pre dx ... there's even a little white cheese (it comes in a log so the pieces you get are about hockey puck size) I forget the name but it's sheep... starts with a M darn it ..at any rate it serious has a bit of "Kraft slices" type taste... my little guy LOVED to fold Kraft slices to eat before we realized that was making him sick so having something that had that same taste made him very happy. It doesn't melt well but it's great for just eating with crackers or whatever.
Also look for a local person that sells these alternative cheeses.. lots of goat farmers and sheep farmers sell their products at farmer's markets and directly from their farms. Just a note of caution... we find that in the spring when lots of things are blooming and grasses are starting our guy gets a bit itchy and phlegmy if he gets too much goat's milk so we try to use more local honey and if all else fails benedryl comes to play!
We have also found lots of great fruit bars and there are rice milk fudge bars (very yummy!) and we make our own ice cream from rice milk and goat's milk.
Hope this helps!
Lisa B
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Lindsey <lao80@...> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all the replys. We only have soy/almond/rice milk/ice
> > cream/treats in the house because I'm vegan and the others just don't care
> > if it's not cow milk. The problem only really comes with cheese. She doesn't
> > like the "fake" cheese. So, she wants "real" cheese sticks, pizza,
> > mac&cheese, crackers etc. and then gets sick. Maybe if I try more brands of
> > non-dairy cheese or those lactaid pills. I never even thought about another
> > animals cheese. I've only had the fancy goat cheese but there must be just
> > regular ol' mozarella just with goat or sheep. Thank you! I'll have to head
> > over to Whole Foods.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Lindsey
These replies really do help a lot. Thanks for all the time everyone took in writing.
--- In [email protected], "Lisa" <jlblock01@...> wrote:
>
> My son is allergic to cow's milk... really allergic as in ER visit if he gets that in conjunction with other foods he is allergic to (egg yolks, soy, tree nuts) we were told by the nutritionist that goat's milk protein is one of the closest to human milk protein and normally tolerated well by those allergic to cow dairy. We use goat mozzarella (found at whole foods) we use pecorino romano for our pasta dishes (sheep's milk found at lots of places but check there are some that are labeled as PR but contain cow dairy)there's a good goat cheddar at Trader Joe's . None of the fake stuff works for him because all seem to contain either soy or casein...even those rice slices have casein in them which just steams me! He drinks ricemilk which we try not to refer to as milk but just a nice drink that he enjoys ... mostly he likes the chocolate. We use the Laloo's goat's milk ice cream (whole foods) or Rice Dream (lots of stores carry this ) When I make homemade pizza he can have pizza with the goat mozzarella... doesn't melt exactly the same (seems a little less gooey ) but I find that drizzling a bit of olive oil over it makes it a little more gooey. Also goat butter is WONDERFUL!
>
> There are lots of goat and sheep cheeses at Whole Foods... when we first learned of our child's allergy we went and talked to the cheese counter folks and told them about his allergy and that we wanted to try some of the various sheep and goat... they were great with us and took lots of time helping us find substitutes for things he had enjoyed pre dx ... there's even a little white cheese (it comes in a log so the pieces you get are about hockey puck size) I forget the name but it's sheep... starts with a M darn it ..at any rate it serious has a bit of "Kraft slices" type taste... my little guy LOVED to fold Kraft slices to eat before we realized that was making him sick so having something that had that same taste made him very happy. It doesn't melt well but it's great for just eating with crackers or whatever.
>
> Also look for a local person that sells these alternative cheeses.. lots of goat farmers and sheep farmers sell their products at farmer's markets and directly from their farms. Just a note of caution... we find that in the spring when lots of things are blooming and grasses are starting our guy gets a bit itchy and phlegmy if he gets too much goat's milk so we try to use more local honey and if all else fails benedryl comes to play!
>
> We have also found lots of great fruit bars and there are rice milk fudge bars (very yummy!) and we make our own ice cream from rice milk and goat's milk.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Lisa B
>
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Lindsey <lao80@> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for all the replys. We only have soy/almond/rice milk/ice
> > > cream/treats in the house because I'm vegan and the others just don't care
> > > if it's not cow milk. The problem only really comes with cheese. She doesn't
> > > like the "fake" cheese. So, she wants "real" cheese sticks, pizza,
> > > mac&cheese, crackers etc. and then gets sick. Maybe if I try more brands of
> > > non-dairy cheese or those lactaid pills. I never even thought about another
> > > animals cheese. I've only had the fancy goat cheese but there must be just
> > > regular ol' mozarella just with goat or sheep. Thank you! I'll have to head
> > > over to Whole Foods.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>