Other web resources..???
[email protected]
This isn't meant to discredit anyone but it seems that whenever someone has concerns or questions they are always pointed to sandradodd.com. Surely there is more than just her site to look for information on.
Joyfullyrejoycing.com is an often suggested site as well. I prefer it over Sandras, but I find it hard to believe that these two ladies are the only sources available to look upon for answers to whatever we may be searching for.
When people are looking for information, they usually look at it/for it in a few different places. (I know I do.) I don't hold one persons take on things as "golden" and it seems a lot of you do by referring back to her (Sandras) site.
I've seen Joyce's site and like how it is easy to navigate and understand. Not messy like the other. It makes it easy to find what you are looking for instead of having to spend a significant amount of time looking. Are there any other places online to look for information? I'd love to hear what other websites some of you go to.
Thanks. ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
Joyfullyrejoycing.com is an often suggested site as well. I prefer it over Sandras, but I find it hard to believe that these two ladies are the only sources available to look upon for answers to whatever we may be searching for.
When people are looking for information, they usually look at it/for it in a few different places. (I know I do.) I don't hold one persons take on things as "golden" and it seems a lot of you do by referring back to her (Sandras) site.
I've seen Joyce's site and like how it is easy to navigate and understand. Not messy like the other. It makes it easy to find what you are looking for instead of having to spend a significant amount of time looking. Are there any other places online to look for information? I'd love to hear what other websites some of you go to.
Thanks. ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
diana jenner
Because Sandra's website consists of the wisdom of many, many parents (a lot
of us here are quoted there) it's easy to send folks there!
Beside's Joyce's site, I don't know of any other "clearing house" of
unschooling information. Any other websites I may have visited, I don't
frequent because of the lack of variety in perspective.
Sandra's site is actually pretty easy to do a search on, it's getting more
and more organized. It should be quick to find a list of topics for any key
word.
Is there a specific topic you couldn't find?
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
hannahsashes.blogspot.com
dianas365.blogspot.com
of us here are quoted there) it's easy to send folks there!
Beside's Joyce's site, I don't know of any other "clearing house" of
unschooling information. Any other websites I may have visited, I don't
frequent because of the lack of variety in perspective.
Sandra's site is actually pretty easy to do a search on, it's getting more
and more organized. It should be quick to find a list of topics for any key
word.
Is there a specific topic you couldn't find?
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
hannahsashes.blogspot.com
dianas365.blogspot.com
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:15 AM, <DancinDeeDee@...> wrote:
> This isn't meant to discredit anyone but it seems that whenever someone
> has concerns or questions they are always pointed to sandradodd.com.
> Surely there is more than just her site to look for information on.
>
> Joyfullyrejoycing.com is an often suggested site as well. I prefer it over
> Sandras, but I find it hard to believe that these two ladies are the only
> sources available to look upon for answers to whatever we may be searching
> for.
>
> When people are looking for information, they usually look at it/for it in
> a few different places. (I know I do.) I don't hold one persons take on
> things as "golden" and it seems a lot of you do by referring back to her
> (Sandras) site.
>
> I've seen Joyce's site and like how it is easy to navigate and understand.
> Not messy like the other. It makes it easy to find what you are looking for
> instead of having to spend a significant amount of time looking. Are there
> any other places online to look for information? I'd love to hear what other
> websites some of you go to.
>
>
>
>
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[email protected]
>>>Is there a specific topic you couldn't find?~diana
No specific topic... I was thinking that due to the number of conferences and amount of families that unschool nowadays, there would be more than two websites available with unschooling information.
Only these two sites are being referenced and one being moreso than the other, it seems *odd*. Almost like hero worship... No offense intended.
An example I can think of is similar to say...potato salad. There are several ways to make it but its basically the same with just a few extra/different ingredients. Can Joyce and Sandra be the {only} sources of information available? Do they make the best potato salad?? Enough so that I/we should all make it like theirs??....(Insert tacky recipe joke here)
I'm not the type that puts all my eggs in one basket - so taking one (or two) persons website(s) as the unschooling bible (just a comment-don't read anything into it) and just going with that isn't something I'm willing to do. We help our children find out as much as they can about whatever it is they are looking for.. I am doing the same.
A lesson most folks have learned is that if you have questions and want to know more than do some research and look for more sources. That's what I'm doing.
Take care ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
-----Original Message-----
From: diana jenner <hahamommy@...>
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:08:47
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Other web resources..???
Because Sandra's website consists of the wisdom of many, many parents (a lot
of us here are quoted there) it's easy to send folks there!
Beside's Joyce's site, I don't know of any other "clearing house" of
unschooling information. Any other websites I may have visited, I don't
frequent because of the lack of variety in perspective.
Sandra's site is actually pretty easy to do a search on, it's getting more
and more organized. It should be quick to find a list of topics for any key
word.
Is there a specific topic you couldn't find?
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
hannahsashes.blogspot.com
dianas365.blogspot.com
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:15 AM, <DancinDeeDee@...> wrote:
> This isn't meant to discredit anyone but it seems that whenever someone
> has concerns or questions they are always pointed to sandradodd.com.
> Surely there is more than just her site to look for information on.
>
> Joyfullyrejoycing.com is an often suggested site as well. I prefer it over
> Sandras, but I find it hard to believe that these two ladies are the only
> sources available to look upon for answers to whatever we may be searching
> for.
>
> When people are looking for information, they usually look at it/for it in
> a few different places. (I know I do.) I don't hold one persons take on
> things as "golden" and it seems a lot of you do by referring back to her
> (Sandras) site.
>
> I've seen Joyce's site and like how it is easy to navigate and understand.
> Not messy like the other. It makes it easy to find what you are looking for
> instead of having to spend a significant amount of time looking. Are there
> any other places online to look for information? I'd love to hear what other
> websites some of you go to.
>
>
>
>
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Pam Sorooshian
On 2/26/2009 6:15 AM, DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
collector! That's why we send you there. It is the best place to get a
wide variety of views from lots of different people.
-pam
> When people are looking for information, they usually look at it/for it in a few different places. (I know I do.) I don't hold one persons take on things as "golden" and it seems a lot of you do by referring back to her (Sandras) site.Most of what is on Sandra's site is other people's writings. She's a
>
collector! That's why we send you there. It is the best place to get a
wide variety of views from lots of different people.
-pam
Joyce Fetteroll
On Feb 26, 2009, at 9:15 AM, DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
homeschools. Maybe 2% of that unschools in some form.
How many of that small population enjoy analyzing what they do, enjoy
spending hours a week writing about it, enjoy spending hours
compiling it and maintaining it, and can *find* the hours to do all
that while unschooling? *And* then don't care if they make money from
all those hours spent?
<eg>
(There's also the cost of hosting the site and holding the domain
name. And my thanks goes to Cindy Fox for her help in that for me! :-)
So, at first thought it seems surprising there aren't other sites,
but from behind the scenes it's not so surprising. ;-) The only
reason I compiled all my stuff is that 10 years in I realized all the
hours I'd put in was about 5 books worth and I had nothing to show
for all that time. So I started mining archives before my writing
went poof!
There are collections of essays around. There are blogs. (Sandra has
a good collection as a place to begin.) The archives of lists and
sare lots easier to search now. It's not the same as the online
collections Sandra and I have, but they're not as labor intensive!
Joyce
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> but I find it hard to believe that these two ladies are the onlyHow many unschoolers are there? I think only 2% of the population
> sources available to look upon for answers to whatever we may be
> searching for.
homeschools. Maybe 2% of that unschools in some form.
How many of that small population enjoy analyzing what they do, enjoy
spending hours a week writing about it, enjoy spending hours
compiling it and maintaining it, and can *find* the hours to do all
that while unschooling? *And* then don't care if they make money from
all those hours spent?
<eg>
(There's also the cost of hosting the site and holding the domain
name. And my thanks goes to Cindy Fox for her help in that for me! :-)
So, at first thought it seems surprising there aren't other sites,
but from behind the scenes it's not so surprising. ;-) The only
reason I compiled all my stuff is that 10 years in I realized all the
hours I'd put in was about 5 books worth and I had nothing to show
for all that time. So I started mining archives before my writing
went poof!
There are collections of essays around. There are blogs. (Sandra has
a good collection as a place to begin.) The archives of lists and
sare lots easier to search now. It's not the same as the online
collections Sandra and I have, but they're not as labor intensive!
Joyce
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Meredith
Joyce mentioned blogs - there's a monthly blog "carnival" via the
Radical Unschoolers Network. The March edition will be coming out soon,
but here's a link if you want to look over past months:
http://familyrun.ning.com/forum/categories/blog-
carnivals/listForCategory
(You might have to cut and paste it, sorry)
---Meredith (Mo 7, Ray 15)
Radical Unschoolers Network. The March edition will be coming out soon,
but here's a link if you want to look over past months:
http://familyrun.ning.com/forum/categories/blog-
carnivals/listForCategory
(You might have to cut and paste it, sorry)
---Meredith (Mo 7, Ray 15)
Danielle Conger
There's Connections ezine that has writing from lots of the same folks
you'll see represented at the lists and at Sandra's site, but it also
has several great articles by unschooling dads, and some other good stuff:
http://connections.organiclearning.org
--
~~Danielle
Emily (11), Julia (10), Sam (8)
http://www.organiclearning.blogspot.com
you'll see represented at the lists and at Sandra's site, but it also
has several great articles by unschooling dads, and some other good stuff:
http://connections.organiclearning.org
--
~~Danielle
Emily (11), Julia (10), Sam (8)
http://www.organiclearning.blogspot.com
cindybablitz
>>> Are there any other places online to look for information? I'dBecause we unschoolers tend to be so grassroots, and so motley, <G>
>>> love to hear what other websites some of you go to.
>> Is there a specific topic you couldn't find?
> No specific topic... I was thinking that due to the number of
> conferences and amount of families that unschool nowadays, there
> would be more than two websites available with unschooling
> information.
learning about unschooling tends to be a grassroots and ostensibly
disorderly journey. The underground is where the real learning
occurs. Has been my experience.
I've read a bunch on Holt's site -- you might enjoy that. This link
brings you to An Unschooling Seminar, which I haven't viewed, but
might be helpful?
http://www.holtgws.com/tyoanunschooling.html
The whole site has loads of reading, including copies of articles
from old Growing Without School magazines authored by an eclectic
bunch of early pioneers in the unschooling movement.
John Taylor Gatto's site is another online place for information
about unschooling.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/
It's kind of a crappy website, in my opinion ... at least visually, I
don't find it friendly. But the content is there, and if you're
looking for a breadth of research about unschooling, this is a place
to definitely include.
The National Film Board of Canada has launched an online initiative
called Citizenshift: Online Media for Social Change, which features
an Unschooling forum. I think I have a photo essay there ... if the
upload was successful?
http://citizen.nfb.ca/node/20054
And, for more Canadian content, I wrote this feature last year that
might be interesting to read? My assignment was to write about
HOMESCHOOLing but I tried to steer the content as unobtrusively as I
could in favour of UNschooling. Some of my contribution was edited
into and out of, but, yeah, there's a gist here ...
http://www.farmforum.ca/articles/2008/07/farmlife/homeschooling_goes_m
ainstream.asp?src=related
http://tinyurl.com/c6e6as
Mostly I've fashioned my growing sense of unschooling by hanging in
places like this, and Unschooling Canada, (another yahoo group)
talking with, and developing relationships with other moms and dads
committed to the principles of unschooling. Hopefully some of this
helps you Dee?
Cindy
Host of Alphabet Soup: 2009 Calgary Unschooling Conference
http://www.alphabetsoupconference.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlphabetSoupConference/
Robin Bentley
***This isn't meant to discredit anyone*** but it seems that whenever
someone has concerns or questions they are always pointed to
sandradodd.com.
***Surely there is more than just her site to look for information
on.***
***Only these two sites are being referenced and one being moreso than
the other, it seems *odd*.***
offense, but you are asking the same questions over and over, while
commenting that you just can't believe that Sandra's and Joyce's sites
are so often linked, inferring how their advice, suggestions, and
compiled opinions could never be as good as we believe them to be.
It feels a little like you're spoiling for a fight, or at least
someone to say "oh, you're right - they couldn't possibly know all
there is to know about unschooling." So far, everyone's been pretty
patient, providing other links, as you requested.
The reason those websites are linked is because Joyce and Sandra (and
Pam Sorooshian, too) have been consistent in their thoughts, actions,
and helpfulness throughout the years since unschooling was just an
idea not well understood. They all have adult or close-to-adult,
living, breathing children as examples of how unschooling works.
When we send folks to Joyce's and Sandra's sites, it's because they
have pretty much everything one needs to unschool. I've recently
enjoyed sending people to the link to Pam's writings on Sandra's site.
Very, very good stuff. Here is one especially fine article: http://sandradodd.com/pam/howto
I feel fortunate to have the writings of Kelly Lovejoy, Ren Allen,
Rue Cream, Meredith, Schuyler, Diana, Debra and others on this list,
though. They've truly thought long and hard about unschooling and have
lived it and continue to live and learn it. I love to read what they
write. They're "golden," too. And they are on Sandra's site.
I also enjoy Danielle Conger's Organic Learning site: http://www.organiclearning.org/
(where there are back issues of "Connections" an online e-zine, which
has ceased publication, but are available now to everyone).
I suggest Googling "unschooling" or "radical unschooling". You'll find
plenty of ideas and sites that may or may not appeal to you.
It doesn't help people on this list to unschool if you are bent on
saying the same dismissive thing five or more ways. Unless, of course,
you are trying to figure out how to unschool yourself. Then tell us
how old your kids are, about your unschooling journey, and then ask
your questions. Plenty of help right here, regardless of links to
websites.
Robin B.
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someone has concerns or questions they are always pointed to
sandradodd.com.
***Surely there is more than just her site to look for information
on.***
***Only these two sites are being referenced and one being moreso than
the other, it seems *odd*.***
> *** Almost like hero worship...No offense intended. ***In the above comments (in only two e-mails), you want us not to take
>
> *** Can Joyce and Sandra be the {only} sources of information
> available? Do they make the best potato salad?? Enough so that I/we
> should all make it like theirs??....(Insert tacky recipe joke here)***
>
> ***so taking one (or two) persons website(s) as the unschooling
> bible (just a comment-don't read anything into it)*** and just going
> with that isn't something I'm willing to do.
>
offense, but you are asking the same questions over and over, while
commenting that you just can't believe that Sandra's and Joyce's sites
are so often linked, inferring how their advice, suggestions, and
compiled opinions could never be as good as we believe them to be.
It feels a little like you're spoiling for a fight, or at least
someone to say "oh, you're right - they couldn't possibly know all
there is to know about unschooling." So far, everyone's been pretty
patient, providing other links, as you requested.
The reason those websites are linked is because Joyce and Sandra (and
Pam Sorooshian, too) have been consistent in their thoughts, actions,
and helpfulness throughout the years since unschooling was just an
idea not well understood. They all have adult or close-to-adult,
living, breathing children as examples of how unschooling works.
When we send folks to Joyce's and Sandra's sites, it's because they
have pretty much everything one needs to unschool. I've recently
enjoyed sending people to the link to Pam's writings on Sandra's site.
Very, very good stuff. Here is one especially fine article: http://sandradodd.com/pam/howto
I feel fortunate to have the writings of Kelly Lovejoy, Ren Allen,
Rue Cream, Meredith, Schuyler, Diana, Debra and others on this list,
though. They've truly thought long and hard about unschooling and have
lived it and continue to live and learn it. I love to read what they
write. They're "golden," too. And they are on Sandra's site.
I also enjoy Danielle Conger's Organic Learning site: http://www.organiclearning.org/
(where there are back issues of "Connections" an online e-zine, which
has ceased publication, but are available now to everyone).
I suggest Googling "unschooling" or "radical unschooling". You'll find
plenty of ideas and sites that may or may not appeal to you.
It doesn't help people on this list to unschool if you are bent on
saying the same dismissive thing five or more ways. Unless, of course,
you are trying to figure out how to unschool yourself. Then tell us
how old your kids are, about your unschooling journey, and then ask
your questions. Plenty of help right here, regardless of links to
websites.
Robin B.
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[email protected]
**John Taylor Gatto's site is another online place for information about
unschooling**
Really? I couldn't find a thing. :)
John Taylor Gatto isn't an unschooling advocate, in my opinion. He's an
anti-schools crusader, most especially an anti public schools crusader.
He tells people why not school. What to do instead, not so much. :)
Deborah in IL
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unschooling**
Really? I couldn't find a thing. :)
John Taylor Gatto isn't an unschooling advocate, in my opinion. He's an
anti-schools crusader, most especially an anti public schools crusader.
He tells people why not school. What to do instead, not so much. :)
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ejeosann
This Yahoo Group has been the biggest source of firsthand information and has helped
me more than any websites/books in our first year of unschooling. So thanks all of you!!
here's a quick list copied from my bookmarks...
About Unschooling:
http://www.unschooling.com/
http://www.joyfullyrejoycing.com/
http://borntoexplore.org/unschool/
http://www.eligerzon.com/worldschooling.php
http://www.doliferight.com/
http://www.northeastunschoolingconference.com/index.html
http://www.consensual-living.com
http://learninfreedom.org/
http://nurturedbylove.blogspot.com/ (I think the author, Miranda, is in this yahoo
group!) an honest and well maintained blog with lots of things for any unschooling
parent to relate to.. Miranda, if you're looking at this, thank you for your blog!
Fun sites for kids:
Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com/cntents.html
Learn to Type: http://sense-lang.org/typing/
Smithsonian http://www.si.edu/
National Geographic http://www.nationalgeographic.com/
How Stuff Works http://www.howstuffworks.com/
Order insects online: http://store.yahoo.com/insectlore/ladlanlivlar.html
Make your own bday invitations http://www.dltk-
kids.com/crafts/birthday/invitations.html
Girls & Science http://www.girlstart.com/
Awesome games (not sure why it's for girls, though.. the mandala maker and code
games are both a lot of fun!): http://www.girlsgotech.org/
Math games http://www.coolmath4kids.com/
The REAL Santa http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=167
Valentines Games http://akidsheart.com/holidays/valntine/valgms.htm
General Resources:
If you live or travel to Florida, Disney has "Homeschool Days":
http://disneyyouthgroups.disney.go.com/wdyp/programs/programOverview?
page=HSDProgramOverviewPage
Free Classic books online http://www.classicreader.com/
I'm sure there's hundreds more to add and look forward to seeing more lists like this!
What else have you guys found?
me more than any websites/books in our first year of unschooling. So thanks all of you!!
here's a quick list copied from my bookmarks...
About Unschooling:
http://www.unschooling.com/
http://www.joyfullyrejoycing.com/
http://borntoexplore.org/unschool/
http://www.eligerzon.com/worldschooling.php
http://www.doliferight.com/
http://www.northeastunschoolingconference.com/index.html
http://www.consensual-living.com
http://learninfreedom.org/
http://nurturedbylove.blogspot.com/ (I think the author, Miranda, is in this yahoo
group!) an honest and well maintained blog with lots of things for any unschooling
parent to relate to.. Miranda, if you're looking at this, thank you for your blog!
Fun sites for kids:
Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com/cntents.html
Learn to Type: http://sense-lang.org/typing/
Smithsonian http://www.si.edu/
National Geographic http://www.nationalgeographic.com/
How Stuff Works http://www.howstuffworks.com/
Order insects online: http://store.yahoo.com/insectlore/ladlanlivlar.html
Make your own bday invitations http://www.dltk-
kids.com/crafts/birthday/invitations.html
Girls & Science http://www.girlstart.com/
Awesome games (not sure why it's for girls, though.. the mandala maker and code
games are both a lot of fun!): http://www.girlsgotech.org/
Math games http://www.coolmath4kids.com/
The REAL Santa http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=167
Valentines Games http://akidsheart.com/holidays/valntine/valgms.htm
General Resources:
If you live or travel to Florida, Disney has "Homeschool Days":
http://disneyyouthgroups.disney.go.com/wdyp/programs/programOverview?
page=HSDProgramOverviewPage
Free Classic books online http://www.classicreader.com/
I'm sure there's hundreds more to add and look forward to seeing more lists like this!
What else have you guys found?
diana jenner
>What they really do is collect potato salad recipes from seasoned cooks all
> An example I can think of is similar to say...potato salad. There are
> several ways to make it but its basically the same with just a few
> extra/different ingredients. Can Joyce and Sandra be the {only} sources of
> information available? Do they make the best potato salad?? Enough so that
> I/we should all make it like theirs??....(Insert tacky recipe joke here)
>
over the globe, to use your analogy.
It seems you're put-off somehow and not realizing that neither website is a
collection of the owner's writings solely. Both websites (and frankly I'm
more familiar with Sandra's) contain stories, advice, anecdotes and wisdom
collected from unschooling discussions over the course of many, many years.
They *are* the places to seek a multitude of perspectives in one place.
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
hannahsashes.blogspot.com
dianas365.blogspot.com
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>
>
>
Joyce Fetteroll
> What they really do is collect potato salad recipes from seasonedActually Sandra's does that. Mine is 99% me.
> cooks all
> over the globe, to use your analogy.
Hers is arranged more by philosophy and big picture. Mine by question
and up close picture.
Hers has loads of different voices addressing the same subject.
Mine's easier to get a *start* on an answer to a particular question.
Joyce
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Joyce Fetteroll
On Feb 26, 2009, at 7:21 PM, DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
You *are* saying that the people who have spent years helping others
understand unschooling haven't thought about it, only followed
blindly what two people have distilled for them.
recipe? About 2 minutes?
I calculated it out. I've spent at least 14,000 hours helping
unschoolers. I bet Sandra has spent at least that much too. How many
unschoolers have that much time or want to spend that much time
writing and compiling? Why should it be surprising that there are
only two websites with the kind of breadth that ours have? You're
*seriously* underestimating the time it takes to create something
like those websites and suggesting lots of people could do it.
Our sites are more akin to an introduction to Italian cooking. Potato
salad indeed.
Where has *anyone* suggested that either site is complete and full
knowledge of unschooling? I state on my front page that it's a
beginning point and then give links to where people can continue to
explore and ask questions. I don't list everywhere people could
explore since I trust people know how to use Google. I just offer a
platform to begin from. Sandra's is more like an entire train
station, but they're both still beginning places.
The two sites not only save having to explain the basics again and
again, but they provide an easily accessible taste of unschooling so
people can decide for themselves whether they want to learn more.
That used to be difficult. Each new person had to either mine the
archives of a list, wading through months of posts that weren't
directed at the questions they had, or ask directly for an
introduction to unschooling.
Why would the suggestion of two sites prevent *you* from exploring
beyond them? Why are you asking for others to do your work for you?
The above may sound outraged, but those are all legitimate questions.
You're skimming the surface and not seeing the logistics of creating
a big picture.
Joyce
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> Only these two sites are being referenced and one being moreso thanHow couldn't it be though?
> the other, it seems *odd*. Almost like hero worship... No offense
> intended.
You *are* saying that the people who have spent years helping others
understand unschooling haven't thought about it, only followed
blindly what two people have distilled for them.
> An example I can think of is similar to say...potato salad. TherePotato salad?? How long does it take to write out a potato salad
> are several ways to make it but its basically the same with just a
> few extra/different ingredients.
recipe? About 2 minutes?
I calculated it out. I've spent at least 14,000 hours helping
unschoolers. I bet Sandra has spent at least that much too. How many
unschoolers have that much time or want to spend that much time
writing and compiling? Why should it be surprising that there are
only two websites with the kind of breadth that ours have? You're
*seriously* underestimating the time it takes to create something
like those websites and suggesting lots of people could do it.
Our sites are more akin to an introduction to Italian cooking. Potato
salad indeed.
> so taking one (or two) persons website(s) as the unschooling bibleNo one needs to read anything into it. It's pretty plainly stated.
> (just a comment-don't read anything into it) and just going with
> that isn't something I'm willing to do.
Where has *anyone* suggested that either site is complete and full
knowledge of unschooling? I state on my front page that it's a
beginning point and then give links to where people can continue to
explore and ask questions. I don't list everywhere people could
explore since I trust people know how to use Google. I just offer a
platform to begin from. Sandra's is more like an entire train
station, but they're both still beginning places.
The two sites not only save having to explain the basics again and
again, but they provide an easily accessible taste of unschooling so
people can decide for themselves whether they want to learn more.
That used to be difficult. Each new person had to either mine the
archives of a list, wading through months of posts that weren't
directed at the questions they had, or ask directly for an
introduction to unschooling.
Why would the suggestion of two sites prevent *you* from exploring
beyond them? Why are you asking for others to do your work for you?
The above may sound outraged, but those are all legitimate questions.
You're skimming the surface and not seeing the logistics of creating
a big picture.
Joyce
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[email protected]
>>>>It seems you're put-off somehow and not realizing that neither website is acollection of the owner's writings solely.So Sandra Dodd.com is not all Sandra Dodds...Its a place where others post about their unschooling lessons and lifestyles..!! But all of it is placed on a site with her name so it presents somewhat like its all hers. I did notice a few postings from others but I saw it as *comments* and not as adding to it.. I'll have to poke around it again...
Thanks ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
-----Original Message-----
From: diana jenner <hahamommy@...>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:19:30
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Other web resources..???
>What they really do is collect potato salad recipes from seasoned cooks all
> An example I can think of is similar to say...potato salad. There are
> several ways to make it but its basically the same with just a few
> extra/different ingredients. Can Joyce and Sandra be the {only} sources of
> information available? Do they make the best potato salad?? Enough so that
> I/we should all make it like theirs??....(Insert tacky recipe joke here)
>
over the globe, to use your analogy.
It seems you're put-off somehow and not realizing that neither website is a
collection of the owner's writings solely. Both websites (and frankly I'm
more familiar with Sandra's) contain stories, advice, anecdotes and wisdom
collected from unschooling discussions over the course of many, many years.
They *are* the places to seek a multitude of perspectives in one place.
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
hannahsashes.blogspot.com
dianas365.blogspot.com
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>
>
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[email protected]
>>>Actually Sandra's does that. Mine is 99% me.Hers is arranged more by philosophy and big picture. Mine by questionand up close picture.Hers has loads of different voices addressing the same subject.Mine's easier to get a *start* on an answer to a particular question.Joyce
That's why I said I preferred yours. It seems cleaner and easier to navigate. I don't care to spend a lot of time on the computer most days, so being able to find what I am looking for quickly is important to me.
Thanks ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
-----Original Message-----
From: Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:23:58
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Other web resources..???
> What they really do is collect potato salad recipes from seasonedActually Sandra's does that. Mine is 99% me.
> cooks all
> over the globe, to use your analogy.
Hers is arranged more by philosophy and big picture. Mine by question
and up close picture.
Hers has loads of different voices addressing the same subject.
Mine's easier to get a *start* on an answer to a particular question.
Joyce
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Joyce Fetteroll
On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:24 AM, DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
what she considers particularly clear or helpful posts on a
particular subject. Some of it is her writing: posts, essays,
conference talks. The content is all filtered by Sandra but most of
the posts are still available in their original contexts in the
archives of message boards and lists she links to if someone prefers
unfiltered!
Joyce
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> So Sandra Dodd.com is not all Sandra Dodds...Its a place whereAll the posting is done on lists and message boards. Sandra gathers
> others post about their unschooling lessons and lifestyles..!! But
> all of it is placed on a site with her name so it presents somewhat
> like its all hers. I did notice a few postings from others but I
> saw it as *comments* and not as adding to it.. I'll have to poke
> around it again...
what she considers particularly clear or helpful posts on a
particular subject. Some of it is her writing: posts, essays,
conference talks. The content is all filtered by Sandra but most of
the posts are still available in their original contexts in the
archives of message boards and lists she links to if someone prefers
unfiltered!
Joyce
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
I'm sorry, I guess asking unschoolers for more references is an insult then. If unschooling is about respecting a person/childs needs then why is it that there seems to be some hostility about my asking for more sources or references?? Isn't this a place to ask about help into unschooling??
I can't imagine you would go to a car lot and buy a car based on a few peoples recommendations... You'd research cars until you were absolutely confident that it was the right choice for you.
Look, this was an innocent inquiry. If this is to be a safe group to ask and get answers to unschooling then you need to stop reading something into nothing!!
Take care ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
-----Original Message-----
From: Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:19:09
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Other web resources..???
I can't imagine you would go to a car lot and buy a car based on a few peoples recommendations... You'd research cars until you were absolutely confident that it was the right choice for you.
Look, this was an innocent inquiry. If this is to be a safe group to ask and get answers to unschooling then you need to stop reading something into nothing!!
Take care ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
-----Original Message-----
From: Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:19:09
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Other web resources..???
On Feb 26, 2009, at 7:21 PM, DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
> Only these two sites are being referenced and one being moreso than
> the other, it seems *odd*. Almost like hero worship... No offense
> intended.
How couldn't it be though?
You *are* saying that the people who have spent years helping others
understand unschooling haven't thought about it, only followed
blindly what two people have distilled for them.
> An example I can think of is similar to say...potato salad. There
> are several ways to make it but its basically the same with just a
> few extra/different ingredients.
Potato salad?? How long does it take to write out a potato salad
recipe? About 2 minutes?
I calculated it out. I've spent at least 14,000 hours helping
unschoolers. I bet Sandra has spent at least that much too. How many
unschoolers have that much time or want to spend that much time
writing and compiling? Why should it be surprising that there are
only two websites with the kind of breadth that ours have? You're
*seriously* underestimating the time it takes to create something
like those websites and suggesting lots of people could do it.
Our sites are more akin to an introduction to Italian cooking. Potato
salad indeed.
> so taking one (or two) persons website(s) as the unschooling bible
> (just a comment-don't read anything into it) and just going with
> that isn't something I'm willing to do.
No one needs to read anything into it. It's pretty plainly stated.
Where has *anyone* suggested that either site is complete and full
knowledge of unschooling? I state on my front page that it's a
beginning point and then give links to where people can continue to
explore and ask questions. I don't list everywhere people could
explore since I trust people know how to use Google. I just offer a
platform to begin from. Sandra's is more like an entire train
station, but they're both still beginning places.
The two sites not only save having to explain the basics again and
again, but they provide an easily accessible taste of unschooling so
people can decide for themselves whether they want to learn more.
That used to be difficult. Each new person had to either mine the
archives of a list, wading through months of posts that weren't
directed at the questions they had, or ask directly for an
introduction to unschooling.
Why would the suggestion of two sites prevent *you* from exploring
beyond them? Why are you asking for others to do your work for you?
The above may sound outraged, but those are all legitimate questions.
You're skimming the surface and not seeing the logistics of creating
a big picture.
Joyce
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Ren Allen
--- In [email protected], DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
No, it's an insult to ask for resources and when people freely
volunteer their time and energy to give you resources, you bitch
about it. If you don't like the resources you've been freely handed,
by people who volunteer their time to give a perfect stranger help,
there are better ways to get more resources. Asking for more would be
understandable...but complaining about it? Yuck.
Be an autodidact and find your own resources if you don't like the
ones people are freely handing you.
~~If unschooling is about respecting a person/childs needs then why
is it that there seems to be some hostility about my asking for more
sources or references?? Isn't this a place to ask about help into
unschooling?? ~~
Asking for more is fine. Complaining about the ones given is just
ugly. If you can't find enough resources at those sites, I wouldn't
even know where to begin to send you, since Sandra's is a collection
of TONS of people's work/writings/experiences and links to nearly
everything.
This is one resource, I'm sure as a capable adult you are able to
find other resources if the ones we give here don't suit
you....rather than tell everyone that their links aren't helpful.
Many of the people here and at sites we list have spent hours and
days and YEARS lending a helping hand to people learning about
unschooling. I myself have spent the better part of a decade on
lists, learning and discussing. I don't have much patience for people
who ask for help and then complain about the free help they get.
Ren
radicalunschooling.blogspot.com
>insult then.
> I'm sorry, I guess asking unschoolers for more references is an
No, it's an insult to ask for resources and when people freely
volunteer their time and energy to give you resources, you bitch
about it. If you don't like the resources you've been freely handed,
by people who volunteer their time to give a perfect stranger help,
there are better ways to get more resources. Asking for more would be
understandable...but complaining about it? Yuck.
Be an autodidact and find your own resources if you don't like the
ones people are freely handing you.
~~If unschooling is about respecting a person/childs needs then why
is it that there seems to be some hostility about my asking for more
sources or references?? Isn't this a place to ask about help into
unschooling?? ~~
Asking for more is fine. Complaining about the ones given is just
ugly. If you can't find enough resources at those sites, I wouldn't
even know where to begin to send you, since Sandra's is a collection
of TONS of people's work/writings/experiences and links to nearly
everything.
This is one resource, I'm sure as a capable adult you are able to
find other resources if the ones we give here don't suit
you....rather than tell everyone that their links aren't helpful.
Many of the people here and at sites we list have spent hours and
days and YEARS lending a helping hand to people learning about
unschooling. I myself have spent the better part of a decade on
lists, learning and discussing. I don't have much patience for people
who ask for help and then complain about the free help they get.
Ren
radicalunschooling.blogspot.com
[email protected]
Thank you for sharing this!! I appreciate all the help! I'm printing it out for the kids now so we can look over the kid sites together!
Take care ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
-----Original Message-----
From: "ejeosann" <smallsmallworld@...>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:58:48
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Other web resources..???
This Yahoo Group has been the biggest source of firsthand information and has helped
me more than any websites/books in our first year of unschooling. So thanks all of you!!
here's a quick list copied from my bookmarks...
About Unschooling:
http://www.unschooling.com/
http://www.joyfullyrejoycing.com/
http://borntoexplore.org/unschool/
http://www.eligerzon.com/worldschooling.php
http://www.doliferight.com/
http://www.northeastunschoolingconference.com/index.html
http://www.consensual-living.com
http://learninfreedom.org/
http://nurturedbylove.blogspot.com/ (I think the author, Miranda, is in this yahoo
group!) an honest and well maintained blog with lots of things for any unschooling
parent to relate to.. Miranda, if you're looking at this, thank you for your blog!
Fun sites for kids:
Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com/cntents.html
Learn to Type: http://sense-lang.org/typing/
Smithsonian http://www.si.edu/
National Geographic http://www.nationalgeographic.com/
How Stuff Works http://www.howstuffworks.com/
Order insects online: http://store.yahoo.com/insectlore/ladlanlivlar.html
Make your own bday invitations http://www.dltk-
kids.com/crafts/birthday/invitations.html
Girls & Science http://www.girlstart.com/
Awesome games (not sure why it's for girls, though.. the mandala maker and code
games are both a lot of fun!): http://www.girlsgotech.org/
Math games http://www.coolmath4kids.com/
The REAL Santa http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=167
Valentines Games http://akidsheart.com/holidays/valntine/valgms.htm
General Resources:
If you live or travel to Florida, Disney has "Homeschool Days":
http://disneyyouthgroups.disney.go.com/wdyp/programs/programOverview?
page=HSDProgramOverviewPage
Free Classic books online http://www.classicreader.com/
I'm sure there's hundreds more to add and look forward to seeing more lists like this!
What else have you guys found?
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Take care ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
-----Original Message-----
From: "ejeosann" <smallsmallworld@...>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:58:48
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Other web resources..???
This Yahoo Group has been the biggest source of firsthand information and has helped
me more than any websites/books in our first year of unschooling. So thanks all of you!!
here's a quick list copied from my bookmarks...
About Unschooling:
http://www.unschooling.com/
http://www.joyfullyrejoycing.com/
http://borntoexplore.org/unschool/
http://www.eligerzon.com/worldschooling.php
http://www.doliferight.com/
http://www.northeastunschoolingconference.com/index.html
http://www.consensual-living.com
http://learninfreedom.org/
http://nurturedbylove.blogspot.com/ (I think the author, Miranda, is in this yahoo
group!) an honest and well maintained blog with lots of things for any unschooling
parent to relate to.. Miranda, if you're looking at this, thank you for your blog!
Fun sites for kids:
Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com/cntents.html
Learn to Type: http://sense-lang.org/typing/
Smithsonian http://www.si.edu/
National Geographic http://www.nationalgeographic.com/
How Stuff Works http://www.howstuffworks.com/
Order insects online: http://store.yahoo.com/insectlore/ladlanlivlar.html
Make your own bday invitations http://www.dltk-
kids.com/crafts/birthday/invitations.html
Girls & Science http://www.girlstart.com/
Awesome games (not sure why it's for girls, though.. the mandala maker and code
games are both a lot of fun!): http://www.girlsgotech.org/
Math games http://www.coolmath4kids.com/
The REAL Santa http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=167
Valentines Games http://akidsheart.com/holidays/valntine/valgms.htm
General Resources:
If you live or travel to Florida, Disney has "Homeschool Days":
http://disneyyouthgroups.disney.go.com/wdyp/programs/programOverview?
page=HSDProgramOverviewPage
Free Classic books online http://www.classicreader.com/
I'm sure there's hundreds more to add and look forward to seeing more lists like this!
What else have you guys found?
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Latha Poonamallee
Well, you research cars, you test drive them, you collect anecdotal evidence from friends or friends of friends who may drive cars that you are interested in, you check your finances, compare options. But you have to do it. You can't blame Consumer Reports for your unwillingness or inability to do more research.
You also seem to ignore the multiple resources others have pointed out in response to your original email. Fear, anger, hatred, that is the path to the dark side!
You also seem to ignore the multiple resources others have pointed out in response to your original email. Fear, anger, hatred, that is the path to the dark side!
--- On Sat, 2/28/09, DancinDeeDee@... <DancinDeeDee@...> wrote:
From: DancinDeeDee@... <DancinDeeDee@...>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Other web resources..???
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 9:44 AM
I'm sorry, I guess asking unschoolers for more references is an insult then. If unschooling is about respecting a person/childs needs then why is it that there seems to be some hostility about my asking for more sources or references?? Isn't this a place to ask about help into unschooling? ?
I can't imagine you would go to a car lot and buy a car based on a few peoples recommendations. .. You'd research cars until you were absolutely confident that it was the right choice for you.
Look, this was an innocent inquiry. If this is to be a safe group to ask and get answers to unschooling then you need to stop reading something into nothing!!
Take care ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
-----Original Message-----
From: Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@verizon. net>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:19:09
To: <unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Other web resources..? ??
On Feb 26, 2009, at 7:21 PM, DancinDeeDee@ aol.com wrote:
> Only these two sites are being referenced and one being moreso than
> the other, it seems *odd*. Almost like hero worship... No offense
> intended.
How couldn't it be though?
You *are* saying that the people who have spent years helping others
understand unschooling haven't thought about it, only followed
blindly what two people have distilled for them.
> An example I can think of is similar to say...potato salad. There
> are several ways to make it but its basically the same with just a
> few extra/different ingredients.
Potato salad?? How long does it take to write out a potato salad
recipe? About 2 minutes?
I calculated it out. I've spent at least 14,000 hours helping
unschoolers. I bet Sandra has spent at least that much too. How many
unschoolers have that much time or want to spend that much time
writing and compiling? Why should it be surprising that there are
only two websites with the kind of breadth that ours have? You're
*seriously* underestimating the time it takes to create something
like those websites and suggesting lots of people could do it.
Our sites are more akin to an introduction to Italian cooking. Potato
salad indeed.
> so taking one (or two) persons website(s) as the unschooling bible
> (just a comment-don' t read anything into it) and just going with
> that isn't something I'm willing to do.
No one needs to read anything into it. It's pretty plainly stated.
Where has *anyone* suggested that either site is complete and full
knowledge of unschooling? I state on my front page that it's a
beginning point and then give links to where people can continue to
explore and ask questions. I don't list everywhere people could
explore since I trust people know how to use Google. I just offer a
platform to begin from. Sandra's is more like an entire train
station, but they're both still beginning places.
The two sites not only save having to explain the basics again and
again, but they provide an easily accessible taste of unschooling so
people can decide for themselves whether they want to learn more.
That used to be difficult. Each new person had to either mine the
archives of a list, wading through months of posts that weren't
directed at the questions they had, or ask directly for an
introduction to unschooling.
Why would the suggestion of two sites prevent *you* from exploring
beyond them? Why are you asking for others to do your work for you?
The above may sound outraged, but those are all legitimate questions.
You're skimming the surface and not seeing the logistics of creating
a big picture.
Joyce
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Joyce Fetteroll
On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:44 AM, DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
Sandra's (as a way of explaining why those keep getting mentioned).
You've repeated several times that it doesn't make sense that there
wouldn't be more. And then implied others just aren't looking for
them: "it seems *odd*. Almost like hero worship"
If you go to the links someone just supplied, you'll notice they lack
depth. That doesn't make them bad it just makes them not so
convenient to hand out. They're like random snapshots of a city, when
someone wants a panoramic view where they can zoom in on what they
want to see. That doesn't mean the panoramic view is the be all and
end all of views of the city. But it's a better beginning spot than
random snapshots.
You will find bits of unschooling information scattered around the
internet if you want to read other points of view. Google will help
you find them.
Joyce
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> I'm sorry, I guess asking unschoolers for more references is anNo, I was explaining *why* there aren't more websites like mine and
> insult then.
Sandra's (as a way of explaining why those keep getting mentioned).
You've repeated several times that it doesn't make sense that there
wouldn't be more. And then implied others just aren't looking for
them: "it seems *odd*. Almost like hero worship"
If you go to the links someone just supplied, you'll notice they lack
depth. That doesn't make them bad it just makes them not so
convenient to hand out. They're like random snapshots of a city, when
someone wants a panoramic view where they can zoom in on what they
want to see. That doesn't mean the panoramic view is the be all and
end all of views of the city. But it's a better beginning spot than
random snapshots.
You will find bits of unschooling information scattered around the
internet if you want to read other points of view. Google will help
you find them.
Joyce
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[email protected]
Thank you Joyce.
I guess I asked to much when I asked for places of more information. I will continue to look for more information throughout whether it has depth or not because I am the kind of person who will look and look and look until I feel I have read enough and am confident that I know enough to make this a way of life.
All the words I wrote were of curiosity and not of ill intent. I do not like conflict and I don't like how much time I have had to spend *defending* my search for more resources.
Thanks to you who offered help but I will admit that I will hesitate before asking anything from this group again. If anyone has anything *helpful* they can suggest feel free to contact me off-line.
Good day ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
-----Original Message-----
From: Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:16:33
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Other web resources..???
I guess I asked to much when I asked for places of more information. I will continue to look for more information throughout whether it has depth or not because I am the kind of person who will look and look and look until I feel I have read enough and am confident that I know enough to make this a way of life.
All the words I wrote were of curiosity and not of ill intent. I do not like conflict and I don't like how much time I have had to spend *defending* my search for more resources.
Thanks to you who offered help but I will admit that I will hesitate before asking anything from this group again. If anyone has anything *helpful* they can suggest feel free to contact me off-line.
Good day ~ Dee
"We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
-----Original Message-----
From: Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:16:33
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Other web resources..???
On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:44 AM, DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
> I'm sorry, I guess asking unschoolers for more references is an
> insult then.
No, I was explaining *why* there aren't more websites like mine and
Sandra's (as a way of explaining why those keep getting mentioned).
You've repeated several times that it doesn't make sense that there
wouldn't be more. And then implied others just aren't looking for
them: "it seems *odd*. Almost like hero worship"
If you go to the links someone just supplied, you'll notice they lack
depth. That doesn't make them bad it just makes them not so
convenient to hand out. They're like random snapshots of a city, when
someone wants a panoramic view where they can zoom in on what they
want to see. That doesn't mean the panoramic view is the be all and
end all of views of the city. But it's a better beginning spot than
random snapshots.
You will find bits of unschooling information scattered around the
internet if you want to read other points of view. Google will help
you find them.
Joyce
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Tammy Curry
A quick google search brings about Results 1 - 10 of about 122,000 for unschooling. (0.07 seconds) ...so of those 122,000 hits there will be some repetition or it leads to pages other than the main page of a blog, website, etc. (key goal for good SEO practices is to get every page in the search engine) but if by putting the word unschooling into the google search does not bear enough information above and beyond the resources I have found from this list alone, then I was suggest different search engines, keeping in mind that generally speaking if google finds the other search engines will pretty much vomit up the same links.
Glancing over a website will not actually give you any kind of clear picture of the wealth of information contain within. Developing a good website of any kind takes years. Keeping it fresh and new takes hours per day. The amount of work these ladies have put into their websites is amazing. But if you have only scratched the surface you have missed so much. Comments on blogs or about articles push the authors of the websites to put out even more information, to understand where some of their own words come from knowing what other people have said helps tremendously. And honestly most websites that are meant as a resource have tons of links, articles, etc contributed from multiple authors. That is what makes them more complete.
Now if you are looking for general homeschooling sites then you will need to change your search criteria. Keep in mind in through out and in the back of a number of books about unschooling are other reference links. It takes some time to build up a list of places to go on the web that have good information. But as a parent isn't it our own responsibility to research these things for our own growth? Asking for assistance is wonderful but a better example for our children is to be proactive about things and going out and doing the research.
"I don't care to spend a lot of time on the computer most days, so being
able to find what I am looking for quickly is important to me." I can understand time being a precious commodity and the desire to find information quickly being important. But as of yet I have not found a quick way to do research other than spending time doing it. And I unfortunately have a lot of research to do daily. That happens with college courses and with two children who love to ask questions that I do not know the answers to.
Tammy Curry, Director of Chaos
http://tammycurry.blogspot.com/
http://crazy-homeschool-adventures.blogspot.com/
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Glancing over a website will not actually give you any kind of clear picture of the wealth of information contain within. Developing a good website of any kind takes years. Keeping it fresh and new takes hours per day. The amount of work these ladies have put into their websites is amazing. But if you have only scratched the surface you have missed so much. Comments on blogs or about articles push the authors of the websites to put out even more information, to understand where some of their own words come from knowing what other people have said helps tremendously. And honestly most websites that are meant as a resource have tons of links, articles, etc contributed from multiple authors. That is what makes them more complete.
Now if you are looking for general homeschooling sites then you will need to change your search criteria. Keep in mind in through out and in the back of a number of books about unschooling are other reference links. It takes some time to build up a list of places to go on the web that have good information. But as a parent isn't it our own responsibility to research these things for our own growth? Asking for assistance is wonderful but a better example for our children is to be proactive about things and going out and doing the research.
"I don't care to spend a lot of time on the computer most days, so being
able to find what I am looking for quickly is important to me." I can understand time being a precious commodity and the desire to find information quickly being important. But as of yet I have not found a quick way to do research other than spending time doing it. And I unfortunately have a lot of research to do daily. That happens with college courses and with two children who love to ask questions that I do not know the answers to.
Tammy Curry, Director of Chaos
http://tammycurry.blogspot.com/
http://crazy-homeschool-adventures.blogspot.com/
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Elissa
Happy Birthday Pam!!!!!!!
Elissa, Unschooling Momma to Emily 15, and Max 9. Proud Momma to Zack, 21.
How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so stupid? It must be education that does it.
--Alexandre Dumas
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Elissa, Unschooling Momma to Emily 15, and Max 9. Proud Momma to Zack, 21.
How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so stupid? It must be education that does it.
--Alexandre Dumas
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Gerry & Leonie Westenberg
http://nurturedbylove.blogspot.com/2009/02/climbing-out-of-pit.html
A nice post on family meetings. We used to do this regularly, especially
when the kids were younger. But now life just seems too busy! I know that
having meetings over drinks always helped our unschooling flow, though...Am
thinking of doing this informally, tonight after Mass, so we can talk about
Lenten reading choices...Anyone do family meetings/discussions?
Leonie in Sydney
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A nice post on family meetings. We used to do this regularly, especially
when the kids were younger. But now life just seems too busy! I know that
having meetings over drinks always helped our unschooling flow, though...Am
thinking of doing this informally, tonight after Mass, so we can talk about
Lenten reading choices...Anyone do family meetings/discussions?
Leonie in Sydney
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Meredith
This is a handy page to have bookmarked for unschooling resources - its
nicely laid out and includes websites, email lists and blogs, and some
sites related to unschooling but not specific to this topic:
http://organiclearning.org/resources.html
nicely laid out and includes websites, email lists and blogs, and some
sites related to unschooling but not specific to this topic:
http://organiclearning.org/resources.html
Melissa
There are books that may be helpful. The Unschooling Handbook,
Parenting a Free Child, Living Joyfully with Children, The
Unprocessed Child, and books by Holt.
If there are any others that anyone would like to suggest....I want
to read more and would like to know your favorites :)
Melissa-Ocala
Parenting a Free Child, Living Joyfully with Children, The
Unprocessed Child, and books by Holt.
If there are any others that anyone would like to suggest....I want
to read more and would like to know your favorites :)
Melissa-Ocala
--- In [email protected], DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, I guess asking unschoolers for more references is an
insult then. If unschooling is about respecting a person/childs needs
then why is it that there seems to be some hostility about my asking
for more sources or references?? Isn't this a place to ask about help
into unschooling??
>
> I can't imagine you would go to a car lot and buy a car based on a
few peoples recommendations... You'd research cars until you were
absolutely confident that it was the right choice for you.
>
> Look, this was an innocent inquiry. If this is to be a safe group
to ask and get answers to unschooling then you need to stop reading
something into nothing!!
>
>
> Take care ~ Dee
>
>
>
> "We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>
>
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:19:09
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Other web resources..???
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2009, at 7:21 PM, DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
>
> > Only these two sites are being referenced and one being moreso
than
> > the other, it seems *odd*. Almost like hero worship... No
offense
> > intended.
>
> How couldn't it be though?
>
> You *are* saying that the people who have spent years helping
others
> understand unschooling haven't thought about it, only followed
> blindly what two people have distilled for them.
>
> > An example I can think of is similar to say...potato salad.
There
> > are several ways to make it but its basically the same with just
a
> > few extra/different ingredients.
>
>
> Potato salad?? How long does it take to write out a potato salad
> recipe? About 2 minutes?
>
> I calculated it out. I've spent at least 14,000 hours helping
> unschoolers. I bet Sandra has spent at least that much too. How
many
> unschoolers have that much time or want to spend that much time
> writing and compiling? Why should it be surprising that there are
> only two websites with the kind of breadth that ours have? You're
> *seriously* underestimating the time it takes to create something
> like those websites and suggesting lots of people could do it.
>
> Our sites are more akin to an introduction to Italian cooking.
Potato
> salad indeed.
>
> > so taking one (or two) persons website(s) as the unschooling
bible
> > (just a comment-don't read anything into it) and just going with
> > that isn't something I'm willing to do.
>
> No one needs to read anything into it. It's pretty plainly stated.
>
> Where has *anyone* suggested that either site is complete and full
> knowledge of unschooling? I state on my front page that it's a
> beginning point and then give links to where people can continue
to
> explore and ask questions. I don't list everywhere people could
> explore since I trust people know how to use Google. I just offer
a
> platform to begin from. Sandra's is more like an entire train
> station, but they're both still beginning places.
>
> The two sites not only save having to explain the basics again and
> again, but they provide an easily accessible taste of unschooling
so
> people can decide for themselves whether they want to learn more.
> That used to be difficult. Each new person had to either mine the
> archives of a list, wading through months of posts that weren't
> directed at the questions they had, or ask directly for an
> introduction to unschooling.
>
> Why would the suggestion of two sites prevent *you* from exploring
> beyond them? Why are you asking for others to do your work for you?
>
> The above may sound outraged, but those are all legitimate
questions.
> You're skimming the surface and not seeing the logistics of
creating
> a big picture.
>
> Joyce
>
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>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
DJ250
Honestly, I would also suggest Free At Last by Daniel Greenberg, the founder of the first Sudbury school in the U.S. in 1968. Very affirming and inspirational for unschoolers, bearing in mind it is also about the functioning of a school.
Also, Jan Fortune-Wood's books, esp. Doing It Their Way.
~Melissa J, in MD :)
Also, Jan Fortune-Wood's books, esp. Doing It Their Way.
~Melissa J, in MD :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Other web resources..???
There are books that may be helpful. The Unschooling Handbook,
Parenting a Free Child, Living Joyfully with Children, The
Unprocessed Child, and books by Holt.
If there are any others that anyone would like to suggest....I want
to read more and would like to know your favorites :)
Melissa-Ocala
--- In [email protected], DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, I guess asking unschoolers for more references is an
insult then. If unschooling is about respecting a person/childs needs
then why is it that there seems to be some hostility about my asking
for more sources or references?? Isn't this a place to ask about help
into unschooling??
>
> I can't imagine you would go to a car lot and buy a car based on a
few peoples recommendations... You'd research cars until you were
absolutely confident that it was the right choice for you.
>
> Look, this was an innocent inquiry. If this is to be a safe group
to ask and get answers to unschooling then you need to stop reading
something into nothing!!
>
>
> Take care ~ Dee
>
>
>
> "We May Not Have It All Together, But Together We Have It All"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>
>
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:19:09
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Other web resources..???
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2009, at 7:21 PM, DancinDeeDee@... wrote:
>
> > Only these two sites are being referenced and one being moreso
than
> > the other, it seems *odd*. Almost like hero worship... No
offense
> > intended.
>
> How couldn't it be though?
>
> You *are* saying that the people who have spent years helping
others
> understand unschooling haven't thought about it, only followed
> blindly what two people have distilled for them.
>
> > An example I can think of is similar to say...potato salad.
There
> > are several ways to make it but its basically the same with just
a
> > few extra/different ingredients.
>
>
> Potato salad?? How long does it take to write out a potato salad
> recipe? About 2 minutes?
>
> I calculated it out. I've spent at least 14,000 hours helping
> unschoolers. I bet Sandra has spent at least that much too. How
many
> unschoolers have that much time or want to spend that much time
> writing and compiling? Why should it be surprising that there are
> only two websites with the kind of breadth that ours have? You're
> *seriously* underestimating the time it takes to create something
> like those websites and suggesting lots of people could do it.
>
> Our sites are more akin to an introduction to Italian cooking.
Potato
> salad indeed.
>
> > so taking one (or two) persons website(s) as the unschooling
bible
> > (just a comment-don't read anything into it) and just going with
> > that isn't something I'm willing to do.
>
> No one needs to read anything into it. It's pretty plainly stated.
>
> Where has *anyone* suggested that either site is complete and full
> knowledge of unschooling? I state on my front page that it's a
> beginning point and then give links to where people can continue
to
> explore and ask questions. I don't list everywhere people could
> explore since I trust people know how to use Google. I just offer
a
> platform to begin from. Sandra's is more like an entire train
> station, but they're both still beginning places.
>
> The two sites not only save having to explain the basics again and
> again, but they provide an easily accessible taste of unschooling
so
> people can decide for themselves whether they want to learn more.
> That used to be difficult. Each new person had to either mine the
> archives of a list, wading through months of posts that weren't
> directed at the questions they had, or ask directly for an
> introduction to unschooling.
>
> Why would the suggestion of two sites prevent *you* from exploring
> beyond them? Why are you asking for others to do your work for you?
>
> The above may sound outraged, but those are all legitimate
questions.
> You're skimming the surface and not seeing the logistics of
creating
> a big picture.
>
> Joyce
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Robin Bentley
Also, Raising our Children, Raising Ourselves by Naomi Aldort. Really
about parenting, but segues nicely with unschooling.
Robin B.
about parenting, but segues nicely with unschooling.
Robin B.
On Mar 1, 2009, at 9:33 PM, DJ250 wrote:
> Honestly, I would also suggest Free At Last by Daniel Greenberg, the
> founder of the first Sudbury school in the U.S. in 1968. Very
> affirming and inspirational for unschoolers, bearing in mind it is
> also about the functioning of a school.
>
> Also, Jan Fortune-Wood's books, esp. Doing It Their Way.
>
> ~Melissa J, in MD :)
>
>
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