Karen Buxcel

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karen

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From: Rina Groeneveld <rinagroeneveld@...>
Date: 2009/1/22
Subject: [LFN] Socialisation studies urgently needed
To: [email protected], [email protected]



Hi, all.

I'm forwarding this from Dagmar Neubronner. The second round of the
Neubronners' court-case against the State of Bremen is taking place on Feb.
2nd and they are urgently looking for studies from other European countries
(or other clear statements, e.g. newspaper reports, quotes, etc.) showing
that home education is not detrimental to children's socialisation. If you
know of any, Dagmar would appreciate the actual text, with the relevant
part highlighted and the link (if it is on the internet), or in the form of
a PDF attachment.

Dagmar's email address is bildungsfreiheit@....

Can you also pass this onto any other European homeschooling lists, forums,
etc.

Thanks, Rina

From: bildungsfreiheit@...
To: rinagroeneveld@...
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:32:38 +0100
Subject: Dringend Studienergebnisse zur Sozialisation gesucht








Hallo, ihr wisst ja, am 2.2. ist Termin vor dem OVG,

und wir brauchen dringend Studienergebnisse oder sonstige klare aussagen zur
Sozialisation von HE-Kindern aus dem EU-Raum. Wer kann z.B. die tschechische
Studie beschaffen (jemanden, der teschechisch kann, kenne ich), wer kann
Daten
Daten aus � beschaffen, wer aus england, Irland? Das ist genau der
Schwachpunkt,
wir m�ssen das dogma, dass au�erhalb Schule keine Sozialisation m�glich ist,
ersch�ttern. Bitte shcickt mir Texthinweise m�glichst mit der betreffenden
Stelle und dem Link, oder mit der pdf datei im Anhang, wir schaffen das
nicht
alles selbst. Wer von euch Kontakt zu Wissenschaftler�n im Ausland hat,
besonders �sterreich, england, Irland, die uns weiterhelfen k�nnten, bitte
erkl�rt denen was wir brauchen und vermittelt uns, was sie geben k�nnen.

Es geht nicht ums akademishce Lernen, sondern nur um die Sozialisation,
okay?

Herzlichen Dank in Eile

Dagmar und Tilman Neubronner

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Carolyn

Not sure if a book would help, but this one's great:

The Well-Adjusted Child: The Social Benefits of Homeschooling (Paperback)
by Rachel Gathercole (Author)

It's available on Amazon.

Carolyn Winkler
wahoowinklers.blogspot.com

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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> Hi, all.
>
> I'm forwarding this from Dagmar Neubronner. The second round of the
> Neubronners' court-case against the State of Bremen is taking place
on Feb.
> 2nd and they are urgently looking for studies from other European
countries
> (or other clear statements, e.g. newspaper reports, quotes, etc.)
showing
> that home education is not detrimental to children's socialisation.

almadoing

Does anyone know where John Holt talks about the socialisation issue?
I remember he says something to the effect that if he only home
educated for one reason the socialisation issue would be it and then
talks about all the horrid school socialisation? I can't look it up
because all my books are still packed up after moving house.

Might be useful for this family.

Alison



--- In [email protected], Karen Buxcel
<thewildtribe@...> wrote:
>
> a chance to help unschooling worldwide...
>
> karen
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rina Groeneveld <rinagroeneveld@...>
> Date: 2009/1/22
> Subject: [LFN] Socialisation studies urgently needed
> To: [email protected], learning-
[email protected]
>
>
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I'm forwarding this from Dagmar Neubronner. The second round of the
> Neubronners' court-case against the State of Bremen is taking place
on Feb.
> 2nd and they are urgently looking for studies from other European
countries
> (or other clear statements, e.g. newspaper reports, quotes, etc.)
showing
> that home education is not detrimental to children's socialisation.
If you
> know of any, Dagmar would appreciate the actual text, with the
relevant
> part highlighted and the link (if it is on the internet), or in the
form of
> a PDF attachment.
>
> Dagmar's email address is bildungsfreiheit@...
>
> Can you also pass this onto any other European homeschooling lists,
forums,
> etc.
>
> Thanks, Rina
>

Karen

I've just met a lady who needs this kind of information too. She has
a four year old foster child who's Aboriginal, and she's trying to
convince the authorities that it would be good for her to home educate
him. Of course, their big concern is "socialisation". I know for
myself how invalid that concern is, having actually chosen to unschool
for the PURPOSE of socialisation, but I'd be really keen for some good
links or quotes or book recommendations to share with her.

Thanks in anticipation
Karen Lee

--- In [email protected], "almadoing" <almadoing@...>
wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where John Holt talks about the socialisation issue?
> I remember he says something to the effect that if he only home
> educated for one reason the socialisation issue would be it and then
> talks about all the horrid school socialisation? I can't look it up
> because all my books are still packed up after moving house.
>
> Might be useful for this family.
>
> Alison
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], Karen Buxcel
> <thewildtribe@> wrote:
> >
> > a chance to help unschooling worldwide...
> >
> > karen
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Rina Groeneveld <rinagroeneveld@>
> > Date: 2009/1/22
> > Subject: [LFN] Socialisation studies urgently needed
> > To: [email protected], learning-
> [email protected]
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, all.
> >
> > I'm forwarding this from Dagmar Neubronner. The second round of the
> > Neubronners' court-case against the State of Bremen is taking place
> on Feb.
> > 2nd and they are urgently looking for studies from other European
> countries
> > (or other clear statements, e.g. newspaper reports, quotes, etc.)
> showing
> > that home education is not detrimental to children's socialisation.
> If you
> > know of any, Dagmar would appreciate the actual text, with the
> relevant
> > part highlighted and the link (if it is on the internet), or in the
> form of
> > a PDF attachment.
> >
> > Dagmar's email address is bildungsfreiheit@
> >
> > Can you also pass this onto any other European homeschooling lists,
> forums,
> > etc.
> >
> > Thanks, Rina
> >
>

AHMAD MALLAH

I had this saved in a Word Perfect document, it's about socialization from one of John Holt's interviews. It is good.
Amelia




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Amelia (Maria) Mallah

I had this saved in a Word Perfect document, it's about socialization
from one of John Holt's interviews. It is good.Amelia

PLOWBOY: Suppose the children want to go back to school when they get
older. Do they have peer problems then?

1. JOHN HOLT: Actually, they'll be in better shape for coping with
school, because they're going there by choice and for their own
reasons. It's like the difference between a prisoner in jail and a
sociologist who goes in to study prison conditions. Both people are
in the same building, but they're in very different frames of mind.

PLOWBOY: What about providing a child with the chance to learn social
skills? Don't parents ever worry that a homeschooled boy or girl may
not have the chance to make friends?
1.
HOLT: Most of the children I know who are learning at home do have
social lives. They see peers after school and on weekends, and have
the chance to experience friendships, arguments, and all the ups and
downs of true social life. When youngsters live a long, long way from
anyone their own age, groups of parents can make arrangements to
bring their children together to solve this problem. In fact, we
print a directory of home schoolers in GWS, partly to help such folks
get in touch with each other.
1. More important, though, I think the social life of most schools is
so competitive and snobbish and status-oriented, and so full of
meanness and teasing and ganging up, that-even if I didn't have any
other reason for wanting to keep a child out of school-that
very "society" would be reason enough to educate the youngster at
home! I don't think schools teach young people anything about
friendship, intimacy, and trust.
For years and years-since long before I got into home schooling-I've
seen evidence of the harmful desocializing effects schools have on
children. Even my sister, who certainly is not an educational critic,
told me that her five-yearold never knew how to do anything really
mean, sneaky, or dishonest until after the tot had gone to school.