Sharon

Hi,
We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-forgiveness.
Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
is clouded by messages I would have been given.
Any thoughts?
Sharon

[email protected]

Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking

is clouded by messages I would have been given.
_____

I'd replace it as soon as I could financially do it.? I'd also recommend getting insurance on the next one.
We've lost, misplaced and damaged cell phones, sunglasses, purses, walkie talkies, driver's licenses etc.? It's all been unintentional and normal no matter what age.

I can imagine she feels responsible and will certainly be more careful with the next one.? Borrowing from Kelly, think of it as a "learning take".? I have washed my $60 clip on sunglasses and had to replace them so often that I'm on my 10th "learning take".? :-)

If she has a little money and wants to help contribute maybe that would allow you to replace it more quickly.

Don't make a big deal of it.? It's just life and learning happening.

Gail













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Faith Void

I second what Gail wrote about learning takes. It is an honest mistake that
my dh made frequently. It was also my mistake because I wasn't checking
pants pockets...I do know :-) we have insurance on our cells as well. It
really is a sanity saver. my youngest washed my last one in the dog water
bowl. Stuff happens. Just treat the phone replacement as you would if you or
your husband did the same thing. You can always discuss it with her to help
the situation resolve itself. Liek she could check her pockets before
throwingthem in the laundry basket, you could check the pockets before
washing etc.

btw you may be able to get a replacement on craigslist or freecycle or
something like that.

Faith

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Sharon <1drflmthr@...> wrote:

> Hi,
> We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
> her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
> would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
> it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
> went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
> her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-forgiveness.
> Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
> is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> Any thoughts?
> Sharon
>
>
>


--
http://faithvoid.blogspot.com/
www.bearthmama.com


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Betj

LOL. I'm so clumsy I break things so I only get upset when it's because my son is having a tantrum. Let me explain, he's 13! I check pockets because I smoke and am terrified I'll burn down the house drying a lighter. BUT I break dishes frequently and figure it's part of life. My ex-husband was bad about cell phones (ran 1 over, left one on top of car) and I never got upset. It's part of life! Tell her she's human like all of us and we all forget things and make mistakes.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Faith Void" <littlemsvoid@...>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:48:07
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] cell phone went through the washer


I second what Gail wrote about learning takes. It is an honest mistake that
my dh made frequently. It was also my mistake because I wasn't checking
pants pockets...I do know :-) we have insurance on our cells as well. It
really is a sanity saver. my youngest washed my last one in the dog water
bowl. Stuff happens. Just treat the phone replacement as you would if you or
your husband did the same thing. You can always discuss it with her to help
the situation resolve itself. Liek she could check her pockets before
throwingthem in the laundry basket, you could check the pockets before
washing etc.

btw you may be able to get a replacement on craigslist or freecycle or
something like that.

Faith

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Sharon <1drflmthr@...> wrote:

> Hi,
> We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
> her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
> would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
> it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
> went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
> her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-forgiveness.
> Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
> is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> Any thoughts?
> Sharon
>
>
>


--
http://faithvoid.blogspot.com/
www.bearthmama.com


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Christie Craigie-Carter

Ha! My 9 month old (now 2 yrs older) flushed mine down the toilet. I lose
mine, drop it, etc. So, my dh bought a cheap one off of Ebay. I've never
dropped it or lost it, lol. Go figure. It's big, bulky and ugly, but it is
durable and seems to like me, so it stays. I eventually found my pretty
pink one but decided not to re-activate it b/c I figured I'd jinx myself,
lol.

These are great discussions! I have a draft saved to Kelly about the porn,
but said child wants momma, so off I go. Wheee!!!!


HTH,

Christie

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Faith Void <littlemsvoid@...> wrote:

> I second what Gail wrote about learning takes. It is an honest mistake
> that
> my dh made frequently. It was also my mistake because I wasn't checking
> pants pockets...I do know :-) we have insurance on our cells as well. It
> really is a sanity saver. my youngest washed my last one in the dog water
> bowl. Stuff happens. Just treat the phone replacement as you would if you
> or
> your husband did the same thing. You can always discuss it with her to help
> the situation resolve itself. Liek she could check her pockets before
> throwingthem in the laundry basket, you could check the pockets before
> washing etc.
>
> btw you may be able to get a replacement on craigslist or freecycle or
> something like that.
>
> Faith
>


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Jamie Minnis

I also have washed both my cell phones and my husband's cell phones in the washer.  Mine wasn't such a big deal because I don't use it as much as my husband does (his is for work), but both are a big deal when you don't have the money to replace them.  After the 2nd (or was it 3rd) time, we discovered that we could buy the cheap pre-paid phones that our cell phone company offers and simply put our SIM cards from the old (washed) phones in them and they work fine.  They aren't as fancy, but they do both make calls and text and they only cost between $15 and $50 which is much cheaper than replacing them with non-prepaid ones.  Just to make sure this is clear, even though we bought the pre-paid model, we do not have to prepay our plans.  Our old plans work with the new, cheap phones.  I don't know if this will help in your situation, but it might work in honoring your husband's request that she pay for it (whether you agree with this or not) and
working with the finances of your daughter.  Good luck.
 
Jamie

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Faith Void <littlemsvoid@...> wrote:

From: Faith Void <littlemsvoid@...>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] cell phone went through the washer
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:48 AM






I second what Gail wrote about learning takes. It is an honest mistake that
my dh made frequently. It was also my mistake because I wasn't checking
pants pockets...I do know :-) we have insurance on our cells as well. It
really is a sanity saver. my youngest washed my last one in the dog water
bowl. Stuff happens. Just treat the phone replacement as you would if you or
your husband did the same thing. You can always discuss it with her to help
the situation resolve itself. Liek she could check her pockets before
throwingthem in the laundry basket, you could check the pockets before
washing etc.

btw you may be able to get a replacement on craigslist or freecycle or
something like that.

Faith

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Sharon <1drflmthr@gmail. com> wrote:

> Hi,
> We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
> her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
> would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
> it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
> went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
> her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-forgiveness.
> Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
> is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> Any thoughts?
> Sharon
>
>
>

--
http://faithvoid. blogspot. com/
www.bearthmama. com

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BRIAN POLIKOWSKY

Why are they age appropriate mistakes? My husband has run over several phones, drowned another several, forgotten them in the rain a few times, you name it. There was a year he went thru like 10 phones. I am not kidding.
He is a  very responsible man.
Who ever does the laundry needs to check pockets from now on.
I once put my phone in the toy pool bag and forgot and took the bag into the water. I was like 39 when I did that.

 
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
 




________________________________
From: Sharon <1drflmthr@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:05:02 AM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] cell phone went through the washer


Hi,
We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-forgiveness.
Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
is clouded by messages I would have been given.
Any thoughts?
Sharon



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Melissa Gray

Yep, I'm the worst person in the house for leaving stuff in pockets.
How can I get onto one of the kids for leaving a cell phone in the
pocket, when I've washed mine three times? I felt bad enough, if dh
had started to lecture me or said I couldn't get another one, I would
have been irritated beyond all belief.

Although it is a standard joke, that we keep giving Josh the save $5
every week....

Melissa
Mom to Joshua, Breanna, Emily, Rachel, Samuel, Daniel and Avari
Wife to Zane

blog me at
http://startlinglives.blogspot.com/
http://startlinglives365.blogspot.com



On Jan 8, 2009, at 10:54 AM, BRIAN POLIKOWSKY wrote:

> Why are they age appropriate mistakes? My husband has run over
> several phones, drowned another several, forgotten them in the rain
> a few times, you name it. There was a year he went thru like 10
> phones. I am not kidding.
> He is a very responsible man.
> Who ever does the laundry needs to check pockets from now on.
> I once put my phone in the toy pool bag and forgot and took the bag
> into the water. I was like 39 when I did that.
>
>
> Alex Polikowsky
> http://polykow.blogspot.com/
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sharon <1drflmthr@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:05:02 AM
> Subject: [unschoolingbasics] cell phone went through the washer
>
> Hi,
> We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
> her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
> would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
> it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
> went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
> her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-
> forgiveness.
> Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
> is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> Any thoughts?
> Sharon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Sharon

--- In [email protected], BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
<polykowholsteins@...> wrote:
>
> Why are they age appropriate mistakes?

I just mean that I didn't get into telling her about mistakes that
I've made that wouldn't be appropriate for telling my 9 y/o.

>My husband has run over several phones, drowned another several,
>forgotten them in the rain a few times, you name it. There was a
>year he went thru like 10 phones. I am not kidding.
> He is a  very responsible man.

I agree. And I told her that I think she is a very responsible person.

> Who ever does the laundry needs to check pockets from now on.

She has never put anything in her pockets before (she usually can't
get her hands into them) so I never thought to check them this time.

> I once put my phone in the toy pool bag and forgot and took the bag
into the water. I was like 39 when I did that.
>
>  
> Alex Polikowsky
> http://polykow.blogspot.com/
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
>  
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sharon <1drflmthr@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:05:02 AM
> Subject: [unschoolingbasics] cell phone went through the washer
>
>
> Hi,
> We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
> her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
> would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
> it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
> went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
> her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-forgiveness.
> Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
> is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> Any thoughts?
> Sharon
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Sharon

--- In [email protected], Melissa Gray
<melissagr8@...> wrote:
>
> Yep, I'm the worst person in the house for leaving stuff in pockets.
> How can I get onto one of the kids for leaving a cell phone in the
> pocket, when I've washed mine three times?

Exactly why I didn't get "onto" her.

>I felt bad enough, if dh
> had started to lecture me or said I couldn't get another one, I
>would
> have been irritated beyond all belief.
>
> Although it is a standard joke, that we keep giving Josh the save $5
> every week....
>
> Melissa
> Mom to Joshua, Breanna, Emily, Rachel, Samuel, Daniel and Avari
> Wife to Zane
>
> blog me at
> http://startlinglives.blogspot.com/
> http://startlinglives365.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2009, at 10:54 AM, BRIAN POLIKOWSKY wrote:
>
> > Why are they age appropriate mistakes? My husband has run over
> > several phones, drowned another several, forgotten them in the rain
> > a few times, you name it. There was a year he went thru like 10
> > phones. I am not kidding.
> > He is a very responsible man.
> > Who ever does the laundry needs to check pockets from now on.
> > I once put my phone in the toy pool bag and forgot and took the bag
> > into the water. I was like 39 when I did that.
> >
> >
> > Alex Polikowsky
> > http://polykow.blogspot.com/
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Sharon <1drflmthr@...>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:05:02 AM
> > Subject: [unschoolingbasics] cell phone went through the washer
> >
> > Hi,
> > We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
> > her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> > wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
> > would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
> > it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
> > went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> > sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> > enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
> > her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-
> > forgiveness.
> > Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
> > is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> > Any thoughts?
> > Sharon
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Brad Holcomb

On the cell, are you sure it's toast? Google for "repair wet electronics"
or "repair wet cellphone" or "drying out wet phone". Water doesn't always
ruin electronics. Circuit boards are rinsed in water as part of the
manufacturing process. What breaks them is the short-curcuits caused by the
battery being installed, so a current is coursing through the board when it
gets wet.

My wife's purse fell in a canal a few years ago and in it she had a Canon
Elph digital camera, her Palm Treo cell, and an mp3 player. The purse was
drenched. Water was dripping from the electronics. I pulled the batteries
(except the mp3 player, which didn't have a removable battery) and when we
got back to the hotel I put all 3 devices in front of a warm hair dryer (not
too hot) for about 6 hours, then left them to passively dry for another 2
days. Reinstalled the batteries, and they all worked fine except for the
mp3 player. This is one reason I avoid buying items (like ipods) that have
non-removable batteries. If it gets wet, yank the battery as soon as
possible!

Last year I bought my 3 y/o son a Cowon A2 Personal Media Player (PMP)
that's similar to a video ipod but with a 4" screen. I was tired of dealing
with DVD disks for travels and daily car trips. 2 weeks after getting it,
he dropped it in the toilet (clean, thankfully). I tried to revive it for a
week, then submitted it for warranty repair. Usually warranties don't cover
water damage, and manufacturers actually put water-sensitive stickers on the
inside of the device that change colors if an item has been submerged. But
in that instance they replaced it, thankfully.

4 years ago I got in my car, at night, and put my iRiver mp3 player
(hard-drive based) in the cup-holder in the console after I plugged in the
cassette adaptor I was using to hear it via my car stereo. Less than a mile
down the road, the music stopped. When I picked up the player, my hand got
wet. A friend had used my car that day and spilled water in the console,
and hadn't cleaned it up. So my mp3 player was sitting in 2 inches of
water. Dried it out with a hairdryer for a few hours, and it's still
working fine today.

10 years ago, I had a cordless Uniden house phone that spent a night at the
bottom of a hot tub. I bought a new one immediately, then a month later a
friend told me the old one might still work. He was right. I put it on the
charger, it charged, and worked fine for another few years.

So not all electronics can be revived after a water dunking, and I don't
know how the washing machine soap would have added to the damage, but try to
dry it out. I'm not an electrical/electrician guy at all (but I'm thrilled
they exist...without them we'd all be ohmless), but give it a shot.

With your daughter, I can only say that cell phones are cheap.
Relationships are precious and priceless. Expecting a child to pay to
replace something in a case like this is simply a form of punishment...teach
them a lesson, make it hurt financially, "so they'll remember it next time".
While you're at it, you might as well spank her and sentence her to a
week-long timeout/grounding/solitary confinement in her room. Financial
penalties, spanking, timeouts...they're all equally-damaging punishments in
my mind. I was raised in a punitive household (very Christian,
spare-the-rod=spoil-the-child kinda place), so I know for a fact that
punishment can only breed resentment and creates distance and distrust in
the relationship. I still don't like my parents much today.

Kids don't learn to be responsible with their possessions via punishment or
lecturing. They only learn it by watching US, the parents, be responsible.
So if you want to be closer to your daughter, buy her another phone as soon
as you can afford it, with a smile.

-=b.


--
Brad in Boulder, CO
http://holcombs.org

Erin

I'm a 33 year old mother of 6 children and, by your dd's standards, I'm
not responsible enough to have a cell phone!!! I washed my phone (in
my jeans pocket) in July :)

It dried out and works just fine (within 3 days), BUT we have a front
loading washing machine which doesn't use as much water as the top
loading ones (basically the difference in it getting wet in a
thunderstorm versus being dropped in a swimming pool). So, it's
possible that the phone will work again if it has a few days to dry
out. If not, you can get really cheap cell phones from walmart or
target and put your sim card in it.

There has to be some way to get another phone without it costing a lot
of money!

Erin

--- In [email protected], "Sharon" <1drflmthr@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
> her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
> would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
> it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
> went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
> her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-
forgiveness.
> Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
> is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> Any thoughts?
> Sharon
>

Melissa Gray

sorry, i know you didn't get on to her, and I wasn't more specific.
But the way dh is handling it, what is she feeling? I meant, after
implication to go on to say that I would handle it the same way my
husband handled it when he found mine. "Woops, your phone was in the
washer, I set out the battery to dry." That was it. Twice it has
worked, and once it did not, so we went and bought a new phone. You
can either go to the phone store, or just go to walmart and get one
of those disposable ones. You just have to put your sim card in to
activate it to the same account. For that matter, we replaced on of
Josh's with a phone we got from freecycle, again, just replace the
sim card.

It seems to me that the way your dh is handling it is making her
really question her ability to do anything, and rather than problem
solving the phone together, he's saying 'Here's my solution, it's
either A or B'. Self-forgiveness doesn't go far if you feel someone
is judging you based on your actions.

Melissa
Mom to Joshua, Breanna, Emily, Rachel, Samuel, Daniel and Avari
Wife to Zane

blog me at
http://startlinglives.blogspot.com/
http://startlinglives365.blogspot.com



On Jan 8, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Sharon wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Melissa Gray
> <melissagr8@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I'm the worst person in the house for leaving stuff in pockets.
> > How can I get onto one of the kids for leaving a cell phone in the
> > pocket, when I've washed mine three times?
>
> Exactly why I didn't get "onto" her.
>
> >I felt bad enough, if dh
> > had started to lecture me or said I couldn't get another one, I
> >would
> > have been irritated beyond all belief.
> >
> > Although it is a standard joke, that we keep giving Josh the save $5
> > every week....
> >
> > Melissa
> > Mom to Joshua, Breanna, Emily, Rachel, Samuel, Daniel and Avari
> > Wife to Zane
> >
> > blog me at
> > http://startlinglives.blogspot.com/
> > http://startlinglives365.blogspot.com
> >
> >
>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Sharon <1drflmthr@...>
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:05:02 AM
> > > Subject: [unschoolingbasics] cell phone went through the washer
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left
> it in
> > > her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> > > wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell
> her we
> > > would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying
> about
> > > it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell
> phone. She
> > > went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> > > sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> > > enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to
> tell
> > > her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-
> > > forgiveness.
> > > Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My
> thinking
> > > is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> > > Any thoughts?
> > > Sharon
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



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Erin

Yeah, with that cell phone that I put through the washing machine I DID
open up the back and take out the battery ASAP...but not because I knew
anything about what Brad just talked about!

Sharon

--- In [email protected], "Brad Holcomb"
<list.brad@...> wrote:
>
> On the cell, are you sure it's toast?

It may not be. My husband's co-worker suggested we take it apart and
put it in a bowl of white rice. He said, "It works like a charm." It
has been in there for about 36 hours. I checked it after my original
post and it seems to be reviving.

>Google for "repair wet electronics"
> or "repair wet cellphone" or "drying out wet phone". Water doesn't
always
> ruin electronics. Circuit boards are rinsed in water as part of the
> manufacturing process. What breaks them is the short-curcuits
caused by the
> battery being installed, so a current is coursing through the board
when it
> gets wet.
>
> My wife's purse fell in a canal a few years ago and in it she had a
Canon
> Elph digital camera, her Palm Treo cell, and an mp3 player. The
purse was
> drenched. Water was dripping from the electronics. I pulled the
batteries
> (except the mp3 player, which didn't have a removable battery) and
when we
> got back to the hotel I put all 3 devices in front of a warm hair
dryer (not
> too hot) for about 6 hours, then left them to passively dry for
another 2
> days. Reinstalled the batteries, and they all worked fine except
for the
> mp3 player. This is one reason I avoid buying items (like ipods)
that have
> non-removable batteries. If it gets wet, yank the battery as soon as
> possible!
>
> Last year I bought my 3 y/o son a Cowon A2 Personal Media Player (PMP)
> that's similar to a video ipod but with a 4" screen. I was tired of
dealing
> with DVD disks for travels and daily car trips. 2 weeks after
getting it,
> he dropped it in the toilet (clean, thankfully). I tried to revive
it for a
> week, then submitted it for warranty repair. Usually warranties
don't cover
> water damage, and manufacturers actually put water-sensitive
stickers on the
> inside of the device that change colors if an item has been
submerged. But
> in that instance they replaced it, thankfully.
>
> 4 years ago I got in my car, at night, and put my iRiver mp3 player
> (hard-drive based) in the cup-holder in the console after I plugged
in the
> cassette adaptor I was using to hear it via my car stereo. Less
than a mile
> down the road, the music stopped. When I picked up the player, my
hand got
> wet. A friend had used my car that day and spilled water in the
console,
> and hadn't cleaned it up. So my mp3 player was sitting in 2 inches of
> water. Dried it out with a hairdryer for a few hours, and it's still
> working fine today.
>
> 10 years ago, I had a cordless Uniden house phone that spent a night
at the
> bottom of a hot tub. I bought a new one immediately, then a month
later a
> friend told me the old one might still work. He was right. I put
it on the
> charger, it charged, and worked fine for another few years.
>
> So not all electronics can be revived after a water dunking, and I don't
> know how the washing machine soap would have added to the damage,
but try to
> dry it out. I'm not an electrical/electrician guy at all (but I'm
thrilled
> they exist...without them we'd all be ohmless), but give it a shot.
>
> With your daughter, I can only say that cell phones are cheap.
> Relationships are precious and priceless. Expecting a child to pay to
> replace something in a case like this is simply a form of
punishment...teach
> them a lesson, make it hurt financially, "so they'll remember it
next time".
> While you're at it, you might as well spank her and sentence her to a
> week-long timeout/grounding/solitary confinement in her room. Financial
> penalties, spanking, timeouts...they're all equally-damaging
punishments in
> my mind. I was raised in a punitive household (very Christian,
> spare-the-rod=spoil-the-child kinda place), so I know for a fact that
> punishment can only breed resentment and creates distance and
distrust in
> the relationship. I still don't like my parents much today.

I was also treated very harshly which is why my thinking was clouded
and I reached out for support. I knew I definitely didn't want to make
her "pay for it," in more ways than one. I was just unsure about
whether she should contribute anything or not. Thankfully to RU, I had
the thought to just buy her a new one, "with a smile." I think I was
probably looking for some confirmation or validation on this.

>
> Kids don't learn to be responsible with their possessions via
>punishment or
> lecturing. They only learn it by watching US, the parents, be
>responsible.
> So if you want to be closer to your daughter, buy her another phone
>as soon
> as you can afford it, with a smile.
>
> -=b.
>
>
> --
> Brad in Boulder, CO
> http://holcombs.org
>

Sharon

Melissa,
Thanks for clarifying. I was concerned about how dh was handling too.
That is a whole other topic that I don't have time to get into now.
Best,
Sharon

--- In [email protected], Melissa Gray
<melissagr8@...> wrote:
> sorry, i know you didn't get on to her, and I wasn't more specific.
> But the way dh is handling it, what is she feeling? I meant, after
> implication to go on to say that I would handle it the same way my
> husband handled it when he found mine. "Woops, your phone was in the
> washer, I set out the battery to dry." That was it. Twice it has
> worked, and once it did not, so we went and bought a new phone. You
> can either go to the phone store, or just go to walmart and get one
> of those disposable ones. You just have to put your sim card in to
> activate it to the same account. For that matter, we replaced on of
> Josh's with a phone we got from freecycle, again, just replace the
> sim card.
>
> It seems to me that the way your dh is handling it is making her
> really question her ability to do anything, and rather than problem
> solving the phone together, he's saying 'Here's my solution, it's
> either A or B'. Self-forgiveness doesn't go far if you feel someone
> is judging you based on your actions.
>
> Melissa
> Mom to Joshua, Breanna, Emily, Rachel, Samuel, Daniel and Avari
> Wife to Zane
>
> blog me at
> http://startlinglives.blogspot.com/
> http://startlinglives365.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Sharon wrote:
>
> > --- In [email protected], Melissa Gray
> > <melissagr8@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, I'm the worst person in the house for leaving stuff in pockets.
> > > How can I get onto one of the kids for leaving a cell phone in the
> > > pocket, when I've washed mine three times?
> >
> > Exactly why I didn't get "onto" her.
> >
> > >I felt bad enough, if dh
> > > had started to lecture me or said I couldn't get another one, I
> > >would
> > > have been irritated beyond all belief.
> > >
> > > Although it is a standard joke, that we keep giving Josh the save $5
> > > every week....
> > >
> > > Melissa
> > > Mom to Joshua, Breanna, Emily, Rachel, Samuel, Daniel and Avari
> > > Wife to Zane
> > >
> > > blog me at
> > > http://startlinglives.blogspot.com/
> > > http://startlinglives365.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Sharon <1drflmthr@>
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:05:02 AM
> > > > Subject: [unschoolingbasics] cell phone went through the washer
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left
> > it in
> > > > her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> > > > wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell
> > her we
> > > > would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying
> > about
> > > > it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell
> > phone. She
> > > > went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> > > > sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> > > > enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to
> > tell
> > > > her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-
> > > > forgiveness.
> > > > Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My
> > thinking
> > > > is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> > > > Any thoughts?
> > > > Sharon
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Kelly Lovejoy

When I accidentally tossed mine in the washer, I just told folks that I'd been talking dirty and had to wash it. <G>


~Kelly













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[email protected]

Going through a washer is harsher than most cell accidents, because of the
shocks in addition to the water. Still, you never know. You could also try
packing it into a bunch of those silica gel packets (silica gel crystals would
probably work even better but you'd probably never get them all out of the
crevices!). A friend recently saved his brand new iPhone with the silica gel packets.

I can also recommend just letting it dry a long time. Sarah's cell went into
a foot and a half of muddy water in September, knocked out of her pocket when
she went out the window to help Patrick push the van up out of the puddle we'd
just stalled in. :( We dried it out with a hair dryer, but it still flaked
out. We bought her a new one the next day. Two months later, on a whim, I
turned her old cell on to see what would happen. It works, and still had all her
photos and everything else in memory, the things the ATT tech had unsuccesfully
tried to retrieve for her in September.

Dad


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Sharon

That is funny!
Sharon


--- In [email protected], Kelly Lovejoy
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> When I accidentally tossed mine in the washer, I just told folks
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Sharon

Yes. She asked for it for Christmas. Hubby was very reluctant to get
it and I am sure she heard some of his concerns. He claims he never
said a 9 y/o is not responsible enough to have a cell phone. However,
he did say things like, "She doesn't need a cell phone!"
Sharon

--- In [email protected], "Robin Krest" <rlkrest@...>
wrote:
>
> Did she want the cell phone?
> Robin
>
>
>
> -- "Sharon" <1drflmthr@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas.
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jetsoncity

I don't really have any advise on how to handle the responsibility, but I do have have some advise on helping her get a new phone. Sell the phone for parts on eBay. There are a lot of broken phones selling for sometimes a little more than half the price of the new phone, even if it is water damaged. If you have the box and manual that will also help the price.

Godd luck!



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On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Sharon <1drflmthr@...> wrote:

> Hi,
> We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
> her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
> would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
> it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
> went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
> her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about self-forgiveness.
> Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
> is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> Any thoughts?
> Sharon
>
>
>

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Sharon

Thanks, Jamie. I sometimes have a hard time honoring my husband's
requests when we disagree with how to handle certain situations. I
know he sometimes feels I undermine him. Something I need to explore
more on peaceful partnerships yahoo group.
Kind regards,
Sharon



--- In [email protected], Jamie Minnis
<jamieminnis@...> wrote:
>
> I also have washed both my cell phones and my husband's cell phones
in the washer.  Mine wasn't such a big deal because I don't use it as
much as my husband does (his is for work), but both are a big deal
when you don't have the money to replace them.  After the 2nd (or was
it 3rd) time, we discovered that we could buy the cheap pre-paid
phones that our cell phone company offers and simply put our SIM cards
from the old (washed) phones in them and they work fine.  They aren't
as fancy, but they do both make calls and text and they only cost
between $15 and $50 which is much cheaper than replacing them with
non-prepaid ones.  Just to make sure this is clear, even though we
bought the pre-paid model, we do not have to prepay our plans.  Our
old plans work with the new, cheap phones.  I don't know if this will
help in your situation, but it might work in honoring your husband's
request that she pay for it (whether you agree with this or not) and
> working with the finances of your daughter. 
Good luck.
>  
> Jamie
>
> --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Faith Void <littlemsvoid@...> wrote:
>
> From: Faith Void <littlemsvoid@...>
> Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] cell phone went through the washer
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:48 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I second what Gail wrote about learning takes. It is an honest
mistake that
> my dh made frequently. It was also my mistake because I wasn't checking
> pants pockets...I do know :-) we have insurance on our cells as well. It
> really is a sanity saver. my youngest washed my last one in the dog
water
> bowl. Stuff happens. Just treat the phone replacement as you would
if you or
> your husband did the same thing. You can always discuss it with her
to help
> the situation resolve itself. Liek she could check her pockets before
> throwingthem in the laundry basket, you could check the pockets before
> washing etc.
>
> btw you may be able to get a replacement on craigslist or freecycle or
> something like that.
>
> Faith
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Sharon <1drflmthr@gmail. com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
> > her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> > wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
> > would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
> > it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
> > went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> > sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> > enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
> > her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about
self-forgiveness.
> > Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
> > is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> > Any thoughts?
> > Sharon
> >
> >
> >
>
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> www.bearthmama. com
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Well, if she is now saying she does not want, I would not replace it for her. She may not feel ready for it after all, and is telling you so. Just avoid explicit as well as implicit "I told you so".

When she does say she wants another, ask her how to go about paying for it. She may offer to pay full price, she may ask to split or you pay it all. But if she is now saying she does not want it, I would go with that.

My $0.02

Robin K.





-- "Sharon" <1drflmthr@...> wrote:
Yes. She asked for it for Christmas. Hubby was very reluctant to get
it and I am sure she heard some of his concerns. He claims he never
said a 9 y/o is not responsible enough to have a cell phone. However,
he did say things like, "She doesn't need a cell phone!"
Sharon




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> When I accidentally tossed mine in the washer, I just told folks that
I'd been talking dirty and had to wash it. <G>

You should've had a spew alert on that one!

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> However, he did say things like, "She doesn't need a cell phone!"

We asked DS when he was 8 if he wanted a cell phone (we were upgrading
ours at the time anyhow). He pondered and said No, he didn't need one.
When DS was 9, we asked if he wanted a cell phone. He thought a minute
and said No, I can just use yours if I need one. When DS turned 10 in
June 2008, we asked if he wanted a cell phone and he mused and said No
thanks. In December 2008, DH and I were upgrading our phones (DH's phone
was starting to show the ill effects of wear and tear) so we asked DS on
the way to the phone store if he wanted a cell phone. This time, he
paused and said "Yes, this seems like a good time" So, now he has a cell
phone. We use the address book so that he knows who is calling - if it's
not a 'name' he doesn't bother answering it. Then we check the "missed"
calls to see if "oops, we forgot to add Grandma's new cell number to the
address book". And, we put any 'spam' type calls into the reject pile so
they automatically get cut off in the future. Mostly, he uses it to text
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Faith Void

I don't know about this. It seems like the child is saying she doesn't want
the phone because she doesn't feel worthy. That is a big issue. She deserves
to be guide through. Having a phone doesn't meant hat she has to behave in
the way her father sees as responsible. She was responsible, she felt sad
when her phone was lost. She will likely learn through that mistake. I WANT
my childrent o make lots of mistakes WITH me around. I want them to retain
their self-respect and confidence through their mistakes. I want them to see
that punishment doesn't help you learn, reflection and figuring out a
different way does.

I would feel insulted if me dh let me go on feeling bad ABOUT mySELF while
he waited for me to get over it and feel worthy of a phone again. Then it
would be further insulting to me for him to expect me to pay for my mistake.
I would hope that because he loves me and respects me and thinks I am a good
person that he would buy me another phone with a smile in his heart.

Faith

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Robin Krest <rlkrest@...> wrote:

> Well, if she is now saying she does not want, I would not replace it for
> her. She may not feel ready for it after all, and is telling you so. Just
> avoid explicit as well as implicit "I told you so".
>
> When she does say she wants another, ask her how to go about paying for it.
> She may offer to pay full price, she may ask to split or you pay it all. But
> if she is now saying she does not want it, I would go with that.
>
> My $0.02
>
> Robin K.
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Sharon

Cool. Thanks. At this point we are still waiting for a full recovery.
It is showing lots of improvement, but still a few kinks.
Sharon

--- In [email protected], jetsoncity <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> I don't really have any advise on how to handle the responsibility,
but I do have have some advise on helping her get a new phone. Sell
the phone for parts on eBay. There are a lot of broken phones selling
for sometimes a little more than half the price of the new phone, even
if it is water damaged. If you have the box and manual that will also
help the price.
>
> Godd luck!
>
>
>
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> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Sharon <1drflmthr@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > We got a cell phone for our 9 y/o dtr for Christmas. She left it in
> > her pants pocket and it went through the washer. Initially, hubby
> > wanted her to pay for replacing it. Then, he decided to tell her we
> > would split the cost of it with her. Yesterday, she was crying about
> > it and saying she's not responsible enough to have a cell phone. She
> > went on to say she should get rid of her pet rats too because she
> > sometimes doesn't want to clean their cage and isn't responsible
> > enough to have them either. It was a good opportunity for me to tell
> > her about age appropriate mistakes I've made and about
self-forgiveness.
> > Anyway, I'm all confused about how to handle replacing it. My thinking
> > is clouded by messages I would have been given.
> > Any thoughts?
> > Sharon
> >
> >
> >
>
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> http://faithvoid.blogspot.com/
> www.bearthmama.com
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